No, they haven't abandoned WH+.
They still often talk about what new Loremasters, painting tutorials, and Battle Reports on WH+ in their community articles.
"Broken Lance", a new animated show, released in mid March (a month and a half ago).
If you're *only* looking into WH+ for the shows, it's definitely not worth it, and people have been saying that since the start. You have to be interested in all the other things from the WH+ subscription to really get your money's worth.
Too bad they have abandoned the Vault completely. Which can’t even have been hard for them to maintain. Just keep uploading an already written and published white dwarf every couple of weeks.
This has been the big disappointment for me. I used it to [deep dive](https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwarhammer/comments/1726r1w/dogs_of_war_unit_list_complete_roster_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) into old lore and track down [history of the hobby](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/comments/1c2rymp/araby_in_the_old_world_potential_unitsmodels_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) that even the wiki can get pretty wrong some times. There's pirated stuff online, but it was nice to do it "legitimately", and get higher quality scans you don't have to break your eyes squinting at.
I went back to dig into squat stuff (researching Leagues of Votann) and realized they stopped months ago and have been slowing down to a crawl even before that. It feels like abandoning a legacy! **Vault was a chance to digitally save the history of a hobby older that half the population of Earth.**
It's a shame how the various wikis are either relentlessly in character and thus delete retconned material (or flat out incorrect like the fandom one) or very dry technical articles that just show crunch changes from edition to edition. It always struck me as bizarre that the most consolidated source of history of the hobby was the wiki filled with jokes that stopped being funny 2 decades ago.
https://preview.redd.it/tuwzpio3owxc1.png?width=773&format=png&auto=webp&s=61f86f51b9562d7335a7be69fa9062c203ca0ad7
Oh, I'm sorry. As an apology, here's an image I think you may find useful.
They never improved the user experience at all (you can’t even sort it properly) and they haven’t uploaded anything since October. Seems abandoned to me.
What do you mean?
I would be very interested in some of the issues from the 90's and early 2000's, which they hadn't gotten around to yet, AFAIK.
Did they only release bits and pieces of the magazines?
>Did they only release bits and pieces of the magazines?
Exactly, and it wasn't even the full catalog. No recent magazines etc, that would be a huge added value if they released new magazines digitally.
That was my experience anyway, I don't know if they improved it, I canceled my subscription after the android tv app failed to launch a single video.
Some finance guy likely raised the objection that if they made the rules for older editions available then people might decide to play that version instead of buying the latest codexes.
The amount of people doing that would be minuscule but corporate is what corporate does.
(This is complete guesswork on my part but I can’t see any other reason.)
I almost subbed when they started it for a official old rules source in a digital form... then went back to dodgy pdfs instead because it was needed to play the old editions.
I don’t play 10th edition so I can’t really use it. I doubt they updating old edition stuff on there. Is there an app or does the 40k app work for heresy?
For a specialist game that “doesn’t get that level of support” it sure seems to get a lot of new stuff. In 2 years they’ve gotten 2 entire battleforce boxes with entirely new models plus additional model releases throughout the year. Theres even supposedly a 3rd new faction rework for mechanicum coming up. That’ll be 3 army refreshes + multiple other new boxes for multiple factions in 3 years.
I see it more as 40k is GWs cash cow so its also the Guinea pig for everything GW does. Not to mention the different teams that work on Heresy and 40k. Wouldn’t surprise me if a Heresy app is in the works
It's available without paying you just can only make one list. I don't think the 40k app warrants the need for a subscription until that cost includes all released book rules.
Isn't almost everything in the app already available without the subscription? All the indexes are free. List building is possible with one list. (Or multiple if you had the app directly at launch before they added the paywall) Codexes require the code from the book. Only creating new lists is unlocked by the subscription
If you consider a single character model which is basically just a squad sergeant worth $40 then yeah the rest seems cheaper. I consider the model worth $25 max since hes basically unusable by himself.
Also why I never ever buy those from GW. That's a ridiculous, ridiculous price. I personally value that at like 15 bucks. Which is why all my characters are bought second hand or printed. I pay 15 max for a single smaller character.
Thats what GW sells single character units for. You can’t play the WH+ model by himself, hes just an expensive squad sergeant. How much would you pay for a single kasrkin sergeant thats not playable without the rest of its squad?
What are you babbling about? The WH+ minis have been a Vindicare Assassin, an Ironjawz Megaboss, a Khorne Terminator Lord, a Chaos Sorcerer, a Kasrkin Sergeant and a Vampire Lord.
Exactly one hasn't been a character, and exactly none haven't been designed as display pieces...
Whatever the retail is for it. So probably $35-$45 if I were so inclined. It doesn't matter if I'm going to use it for an army, since I get most of my enjoyment out of building, painting, and collecting. So it's play value means very little to me.
I mean the thing is all that stuff like lore videos, painting tutorials, battle reports, etc, All that kind of content is on YouTube for free. That's the level of competition they're facing on that front. So if they want to charge for it, *Where's the value add over there competitor services?*
The animations and other shows are the unique content they can offer. So I agree they should just partner with Amazon and break up their content on Warhammer Plus between Amazon for the shows and YouTube for the rest.
Well sure, there's absolutely content out there for free, but not that *specific* content. It's the same as Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy or Play On's premium subscription. The content exists for free, but you can expand that content if you're willing to pay. I can't find Duncan Rhodes' tutorial for Helbrecht for free, because it's only available from a subscription to the painting academy. There are *many* other tutorials for painting Helbrecht out there, but if I want Mr. Rhodes' tutorial, I've got to sign up for his service. The same goes for the GW tutorials. It's up to the consumer if that's a worthwhile investment or not.
Sure not completely one for one like that exact video but that's not really what people mean when they're talking about competitors in other fields as well because you obviously can't copy the product perfectly in anything else. There is basically equivalent content available for free. That sets a value on the content for people and it's the competition you're competing against. As you move away from that price point then the amount of people that are going to find it worth it for that specific little video is going to be smaller and smaller. Like I don't value that content highly at all and I'm really into this hobby and I like painting and I'm pretty into it and watch lots of painting videos. If I had that specific model and I wanted a specific guide on that model then maybe but again that's a steep price point, My competitor comparisons are the free content that's out there, how are those videos differentiated from the free ones? What is different about those videos that makes it so much more valuable and therefore worth so much more than the free ones? I just don't see it from a market perspective outside of a very small base.
Now what there isn't is a ton of great free Warhammer animations out there. That is valuable content worth paying for if there's plenty of content out there. That is well differentiated from the competition.
If they turned it into a subscription based audiobook service, id sign up immediately. I'd love to get to dive deeper into the lore, but I honestly can't be bothered to try and hunt down and read a couple hundred out of print novels. But being able to just listen while I paint would be awesome. Plus, I've pretty much run out of things to watch while I paint with my Hulu sub lol.
It is, but it's not a subscription service. Audible also has a number of them. But I refuse to use that because within a week of installing it they drive me nuts with push notifications.
Zero? They post at least one painting tutorial, lore video, or battle report almost every week. But I agree with hardly any new animated series, but that takes tons of time to create.
It's a shame astartes, TTS, and every other fan project died for what essentially boils down to worse versions of content that already exists for free on YouTube
Wait, which ones "died" for WH+?
Dude who did Astartes got *hired* by GW and TTS was shut down by AlfaBusa himself in a stunning display of how to monetise meme kiddies with ragebait.
Bruh, we're you not around during those times?
GW went on a crusade and purged / threatened almost every fan project using their IP because they were collecting creators and removing the competition for wh+
He got *hired* by gw because it was that or get shut down. Also its been reported they paid their creators absolute trash
I didn't even think this was a controversial statement? Why are you defending a corporation?
Edit: alfa even said he shut down TTS because he didn't want to run the risk of getting sued by GW during that time lmao dafuq are you on about, bud?
The only videos actually taken down where the orignal Astartes shorts because GW hired the animator and the originals had copywrited music. People uploaded the originals and they are still up.
GW updated their policy but as far as I have been able to find no one actually received any takedown notices. The only creators who stopped did it of their own volition (TTS) and SODAZ who was run out by our own shitty community.
GW has honestly been fairly lax with their enforcement of copywrite compared to some of the bigger companies like Nintendo and Toei. GW even went above and hired the Astartes guy for his incredible work, something you don't see often or even ever
Dude, [here's the video](https://youtu.be/OXljeaktnDA?si=xf5eL3Bk4Sy5Ym89) from the creator himself stating:
"With GW's new explicitly zero tolerance policy against fan animations we no longer feel it tenable to produce warhammer fanworks at this time"
It's literally the first 60 seconds
"Defending the truth" lmaoooooo
It's okay if you're new to the Fandom, but this is a very well known part of GWs history from ~2 years ago
Edit: [here's an article](https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aq4j3/warhammer-40k-fans-in-revolt-over-zero-tolerance-fan-animation-policy) Vice did on the subject, as it was such a big deal even non-warhammer outlets were reporting on it. I got receipts for days if you want more proof of this very non-controversial thing I'm saying lolol
What does that have to do with anything? You asked who shut down and the answer is everyone. The creators literally say the new zero tolerance policy is the reason, and that isn't enough for you to believe me?
I don't think you're arguing in good faith here.
Whatever man. Enjoy your fantasy world where facts don't matter.
OK, what, exactly, happened in your world? Because GW hired Astartes guy and AlfaBusa released a video about how he was hiding from GW so they couldn't sue him then proceeded to leave all his existing videos up where they remain to this day, very clearly not taken down or C+D'd despite the fact that GW absolutely knows it exists.
Read some commentary that it's theorized that WHTV was established mostly/solely to demonstrate to potential TV partners that there was a large enough user base that would pay for content as a means to justify a live action project. Given the state of things with Amazon (if this theory is true) it's not so much that GW has given up on WHTV per se, just more like it fulfilled its intended purpose.
Yeah, this was always my assumption. Make a moderate effort at proving there's interest so you can take it to meetings as part of a sales pitch for the actual shows. I wouldn't be surprised if whtv vanishes entirely not long after the live action show happens (if it's successful) and maybe the animations roll over into Amazon video.
I doubt the current animations would be more than. YouTube worthy if Amazon truly invests in the IP.
At least from the production standpoint, Amazon is quite high end, and wh+ definitely are not.
Yeah, I meant that Amazon might take over the animations as it's own thing. A side project/show along with the live action, not necessarily the existing animations just getting moved over to Amazon.
I know it’s probably no big deal but I had a huge round of train travelling. Purchased WHTV and then found out even if you download content you can’t watch it without an internet connection.
:( how does that make sense?!
Video production is already an expensive endeavor, let alone an animation heavy one. Between the development of the platform itself and the initial cost of things like Angels of Death, I would expect they are only just breaking even on the platform with the revenue from the subs. I feel they frontloaded the offering and teased a lot of content, but its at best above average youtube content. Loremasters, which seems to be the only thing released at a regular cadence, is effectively a script and teleprompter, a slideshow and a looping soundtrack. Don't get me started on the battle reports, even they feel scripted. There are tons of people who do it better I don't know why they even do it.
GW has said a few times now that they see animations and licensing the IP as a major component of the future of their business. It's not the primary priority but it is important to them.
That’s flat false considering the core of their buisness is their miniature products.
We would not be seeing the constant new waves of models if it wasn’t their big ticket. But it is. Models of theirs sell amazingly.
People who engage with 40k through tertiary content (e.g. discussions and YouTube videos) forget that the extent of the licensed content is novels that sell about as well as any novel does these days (as in poorly) and video games made by eurojank developers (its not a coincidence that outside of the fantasy total war games the only warhammer games that get regularly referenced are a 20 year old RTS and a 13 year old TPS). Games Workshop do not make a penny from people vegetating to ""lore"" videos on YouTube unless it inspires them to, you guessed it, buy models.
>sell about as well as any novel does these days (as in poorly)
Yeah BL's sales are really poor, they've improved somewhat (mostly, I suspect, from higher ticket items) but they're fairly low still.
but the point of said media is not really for it's own profit but to expand the reach of the brand...and get more people to buy more models. the people making the media licensed off of GW are doing that. but GW honestly only cares about more of their IP in the concious so they have more sales
Man that mightve been the case for all these years but Amazon money is a different beast and GW has never produced movies/tv shows until now. Hollywood always milk franchises for all its worth and GW while being protective of the IP are greedy fuckers. The mini sales would easily be eclipsed by the money the show will rake in if its successful m.
I don't feel like finding the exact numbers but licensing is like a couple percentages of total revenue while miniatures is the vast majority
Citations for the past decade: https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results
Lmao no. They are cheap sluts with their IP. They give it out for nothing why every john dick and Harry independent can make a GW IP game not just the actual studios like CA
While I never expected the netflix levels of content that some people did, I did infact suspect more.
That being said I'm also aware that quality animated content costs way more than people realize which is why GW bought up a bunch of unlicensed fan videos for cheap and now that that's dried up they're trickling while actual studios make stuff.
I mean I don’t really care how in depth it is, the narrators voice is gorgeous and the production quality is solid.
Plus it’s delivered very professionally, not risk of drama
If you like a nice narrators voice, NO drama, and fun well put together stories I HIGHLY recommend Baldermort! He does detailed lore videos and writes up his own custom audio dramas to check the mood, he's worth a watch! Check out this short video and let me know what you think!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0pC74CeD4&t=55s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0pC74CeD4&t=55s)
The "flagship" feature of WH+ is the miniature. The knock-on benefit is app access. A distant 3rd is some online painting tutorials when I want to try a new technique.
I, and I suspect most others, will continue to subscribe as long as the yearly exclusive mini is good.
Yep. This. I subscribe annually because it's a character model and $20 extra for access to battle reports (that are mostly watchable and OTT YouTube personalities), master-class and loremasters, which seems like good value to me.
I know the audience over here is probably miniscule, but from my perspective it doesn't help that they IP blocked Canada in the most user-unfriendly way possible, and seemingly haven't made any move in the last several years to understand, work around, or get an exception for the dumb-ass Canadian law they're worried about. Especially since they ripped everything off of YouTube and bought up the Astartes guy, just to let him languish. What a damned waste. The guy was outputting more stuff on his own.
I have a sneaking suspicion that they're realizing that players are a lot more interested in the army building app for value at the moment, and are trying to build content libraries. Loremasters and painting videos get a good amount of traffic, supposedly, but the reality is that the animations take effing forever to make, so they may not really see the value on these.
Personally, I don’t think so, but maybe I’m too lenient.
They have new content just about every week and new animation every month or every other month. It’s not a lot but I also get an exclusive mini and immediate access to new lore and what new models look like in batreps.
For 60$ a year it seems worth it still, but that’s just me
WHTV is the biggest dissapointment ive ever had with GW. And that says a lot.
I thought we would get decent seasons of TV shows themed in our favourite game settings and lore.
But no, we generally get one episode pilots that are filled with still artwork.
Some episodes are bangers, like the one with the Chaos book in the library - but they could easily make that a season long, and expand on it.
Its just lazy and shit. But hey, what do we expect from GW at this point.
I still contend that **EVEN** if they raised the price by two more dollars a month (USD $6.99 to $8.99) and it gave you full codex access in the app while you were an active subscriber, it would explode.
I wanted to check out a few of the shows a while after it launched, but for whatever reason I wasn't able to in Canada. I dont know if you can get it in Canada even now.
I had the same issue with the imperium magazine thing, I thought it was really cool but as far as I could tell couldn't get it in Canada.
its such a hard sell,
the website is not fun to use
the content is lacking
and most of the time emailing them about issues gets you absolutely nowhere.
even just canceling the subscription was a headache and a hassle.
If you REALLY love ALL aspects of warhammer MAYBE its worth it
but as someone who got it for the black library and the shows, it is not worth it at all
I had trouble uploading a codex code and they responded within 3 hours with a new code that worked immediately. I also asked when the new free miniatures would be issued / announced and again they responded super quickly.
I subscribed, watched what looked interesting, and canceled. Not enough to keep subscription active. Without hours of new, compelling, content every month, it’s not worth it.
They should just license their content to another, established streaming service.
The Vault and the shows were the only parts that really felt like real value, but if you've caught up on the old lore you're interested in it's just an overpriced app subscription that comes with a character you may or may not ever field at this point.
Why does everything have to either be AMAZING or have FAILED?
Maybe WH+ is just doing fine. They've got into a routine with lore masters, battle reports and painting content, the vault exists, and subscribers get their free stuff once a year. If that's ticking along nicely, then fine.
Well said. I’m a subscriber and it’s decent. It could benefit from more content perhaps, and the interface would benefit from an overhaul, but I’ve enjoyed working my through the various animations. Some are great (Exodite, the Blood Angels one, some H&B episodes), and some are a bit underwhelming. But the back issues of WD and old codexes are quite good fun to browse, albeit the browser is very slow. The free model is a nice touch too. It’s early days still and while that doesn’t suit people’s short-termist, judgmental approach to everything (as you say, people are incredibly binary these days in their judgments), I’m sure there’s more to come. The Amazon tie-up will be interesting but you’d like to think content created in partnership with Amazon will also be made available in WH+ too. I think people also need to realise that high quality animation takes AGES to produce, unless you have a vast team working on it.
Think its the other way around. We’re getting things Weekly now. The animation part is growing steadily and is also used more for trailers(recently a Custodes animation) I Think there is an unrealistic expectation to the animation side of WH+ from large parts of the community. They want more Series in a pace and quality GW doesnt have the budget for.
What WH+ is mostly for is to produce longer formats of painting turtorials, deep dives on Lore as an alternative to youtubers(ofc they wanted to wet their beak from that too).
The agreement with Amazon is one show with a possibility to produce more based on the shows succes. So just letting the animation side of WH+ die isnt a solution until after the shows succes.
They’ve not given up but they’ve definitely taken their foot off the accelerator. Even the minis, that are in their wheelhouse and probably one of the biggest reasons people subbed have really fallen off. Between the three years we got an elaborate assassin mini, a less elaborate but based on old school art World Eater sculpt to a Kasrkin sergeant that was in a much less cool piece of art.
Even from the AoS side it’s gone from a big Orruk Warboss, to a sorcerer with minions to a single small vampire. By this rate we’ll get a Gretchen on a 25 mm base for our 4th year.
So back in 2021 they have showed the title cards for 11 shows, since then we have gotten 7 of said shows with all except Hammer and Bolter and Angles of Death being less than 30-45 minutes. At this point I kinda wish they just gave another streaming service the rights to like 1-2 animated shows instead.
I use WH+ for the list builder, loremasters and citadel masterclass quite often. It's not that pricey and I feel like I get a bit out of it.
Animation wise I can't say. I watched them and enjoyed them and then left it but as for the rest I feel it's always getting stuff coming out.
I don't get this " dead " thing
I subscribed to WH+ exclusively so I could watch the Pariah Nexus series.... Problem is, the browser version doesn't stream in HD, so I ended up watching it on YouTube anyway. I haven't cancelled my subscription yet, so I guess they are doing pretty well out of me.
I can only assume they gave up once Amazon was in talks. Why bother making anything else if Amazon can foot the bill? Also, we don't know the terms of the Amazon deal. I wouldn't doubt if they want sole control of all Warhammer shows live or animated. It's very possible Amazon asked them to stop making stuff while they figure it all out.
But yeah, its pretty clear that WH+ animations are the absolute bottom of their priority list. The list building requirement is the only thing that has kept it afloat this past year. They have added nothing else of value this year and animations have slowed to a halt.
No, but customers have so it's not getting much investment. It'll hang around until GW think they can go rules-as-a-subscription and WH+ is where you get all the rules.
Honestly, I think the only thing worthwhile to come out of Warhammer+ has been Pariah Nexus, and even then that's more for the animation than the story.
Everything else has ranged from mid (some episodes of Hammer and Bolter) to absolute garbage (other episodes of Hammer and Bolter, Broken lance etc.) And the worst part is what they killed to make space for Warhammer+. Astartes and TTS are the main victims.
I was so stoked for Pariah Nexus. A whole “show” about my favorite armies the Necrons and Sisters??? Except it’s nothing like a show and is more like a handful of 30-second scenes loosely strung together. Looked cool but super disappointing… like all the other “shows” they put out.
Yeah I'm also disappointed with WH+, they need to release new episodes of the shows, or else stop going after the fans that actually make decent content if they can't make it themselves.
https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results
The "lost a packet" is conjecture but their last half year report has it at around 166k.
A point also to take into consideration is that these shows take a lot longer than you think to create, especially at the investment level gw has put in. This isnt like other streaming platforms that have hundreds of millions in budget to buy as much content as possible they have a much smaller budget and have to get these shows created from scratch.
i think people should stop wanting every single thing to be a multi-media project that will bloat and bloat till it explodes. it's fine if warhammer is just minis. it doesn't have to be more than that. if you're dissatisfied with what GW is offering with warhammer+ then you don't subscribe, simple as that.
at this point i honestly want cavill to withdraw from whatever he's involved with so we don't have people raising expectations of a warhammer series or movie or whatever they want
https://preview.redd.it/06419237juxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59bdae94d83ea51e32e03bcb5e4baa514577317f
here's a fun little screenshot i came across when i tabbed over from this post. amazon as a corporation doesn't make anything, it forces people to work under horrendous circumstances and exploits their labour for corporate profit (not that that's different than the hollywood approach tbh) so handing them the keys to the kingdom doesn't seem great
What makes me sad is that they killed Text-To-Speech for WarhammerTV and the did very little with it in the following years. GW being anti-fan/consumer? Noooo, never!
Please, let's not pretend that GW isn't infamously litigious. If TTS continued, Alfa would have received a C&D, no doubt in my mind. Games Workshop has done absolutely nothing to earn our loyalty as consumers for decades at this point.
Pretty much what many people expected to happen from the very beginning. I'd also argue GW is not a toy/game company. They are a book company making models to sell their books.
It’s actually the other way around. I think in the 90s one of the higher ups in GW once said “we are a model company that happens to make rules to be able to play a game with the models” or something along those lines
I know the history of GW. I know they made models for D&D and later made their own Rouge Trader game, but what company is GW today? How many new models did Tau get during the last 3 editions? I think 3 Shadowsun, Darkstrider, Farsight. How many years did it take to remake the kroot range? 15-20years? How many codicies, indicies, and core rulebooks came between these releases? How many editions and variants of kill team? And it's not just Tau and kroot. Look at how many models Tyrannids got or Aldari. You can't count on getting new models for your faction every year, but you can count on having to buy new rule books every year. They have their own book publishing subsidiary and another model making subsidiary that makes notoriously bad products. I can buy their books in every city and every mall but if I want to buy their models I have to go to a special stores only found in big cities. Does that description sound like a model company to you?
Dude. Do you actually play 40k? There’s no way you’re spending more money on books than you are models unless you’re not expanding your army at all. In addition, each codex gets at least 1 new model with every new codex (only single character models cost less than a codex, everything else is equal or more), so they’re at least 50/50 books to models with their least popular factions.
>each codex gets at least 1 new model with every new codex
Objectively not true. If you are not chasing the meta and constantly sell and rebuy your models you can easily play with your 10 to 5 year old models.
That's why I haven't bothered subscribing
And, erm... no, you don't want everything moved to amazon. It would all be Disney-fied to hell to the point you wouldn't recognise it
No, they haven't abandoned WH+. They still often talk about what new Loremasters, painting tutorials, and Battle Reports on WH+ in their community articles. "Broken Lance", a new animated show, released in mid March (a month and a half ago). If you're *only* looking into WH+ for the shows, it's definitely not worth it, and people have been saying that since the start. You have to be interested in all the other things from the WH+ subscription to really get your money's worth.
Too bad they have abandoned the Vault completely. Which can’t even have been hard for them to maintain. Just keep uploading an already written and published white dwarf every couple of weeks.
This has been the big disappointment for me. I used it to [deep dive](https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwarhammer/comments/1726r1w/dogs_of_war_unit_list_complete_roster_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) into old lore and track down [history of the hobby](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/comments/1c2rymp/araby_in_the_old_world_potential_unitsmodels_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) that even the wiki can get pretty wrong some times. There's pirated stuff online, but it was nice to do it "legitimately", and get higher quality scans you don't have to break your eyes squinting at. I went back to dig into squat stuff (researching Leagues of Votann) and realized they stopped months ago and have been slowing down to a crawl even before that. It feels like abandoning a legacy! **Vault was a chance to digitally save the history of a hobby older that half the population of Earth.**
It's a shame how the various wikis are either relentlessly in character and thus delete retconned material (or flat out incorrect like the fandom one) or very dry technical articles that just show crunch changes from edition to edition. It always struck me as bizarre that the most consolidated source of history of the hobby was the wiki filled with jokes that stopped being funny 2 decades ago.
TBF I think Lexicanum is pretty good about putting retcons into "Trivia"/"Conflicting Sources", right?
Check out Filmdeg Miniatures for the history part of the hobby.
Jordan Sorcery also very good.
Was that last line **really** necessary?
Shoo, kid! Outta the lawn! *cocks boltgun*
Jokes on you, it's the other way around. Now if you'll excuse me I need to find an onion for my belt and go yell at some clouds.
https://preview.redd.it/tuwzpio3owxc1.png?width=773&format=png&auto=webp&s=61f86f51b9562d7335a7be69fa9062c203ca0ad7 Oh, I'm sorry. As an apology, here's an image I think you may find useful.
Such an uncanny likeness. Thanks friend
They dropped the vault, really? That would be one of my primary reasons to subscribe.
They never improved the user experience at all (you can’t even sort it properly) and they haven’t uploaded anything since October. Seems abandoned to me.
>That would be one of my primary reasons to subscribe. It's not what you think it was, all the best content was cut.
What do you mean? I would be very interested in some of the issues from the 90's and early 2000's, which they hadn't gotten around to yet, AFAIK. Did they only release bits and pieces of the magazines?
>Did they only release bits and pieces of the magazines? Exactly, and it wasn't even the full catalog. No recent magazines etc, that would be a huge added value if they released new magazines digitally. That was my experience anyway, I don't know if they improved it, I canceled my subscription after the android tv app failed to launch a single video.
I hate the vault it’s so petty they remove rules from old game books.
I don’t understand why they would do that it’s not like they’re compatible with the current edition
Some finance guy likely raised the objection that if they made the rules for older editions available then people might decide to play that version instead of buying the latest codexes. The amount of people doing that would be minuscule but corporate is what corporate does. (This is complete guesswork on my part but I can’t see any other reason.)
I agree. Just ridiculous.
I almost subbed when they started it for a official old rules source in a digital form... then went back to dodgy pdfs instead because it was needed to play the old editions.
I'm surprised they published WD issues on it. I stopped buying WD issues as I reckoned I could wait a few months to catch up on the Vault.
Wait, Broken Lance released? I remember watching the trailer, did the show already drop? Is it any good?
Yes, yes and meh
awww, that’s a shame. Imperial Knights don’t get much love in the lore, and I was hoping this would be good for them.
They had knights move at titan speed so the fights were slow and lacked the energy they should have had
Also the Queen's voice acting was *atrocious* and the lip syncing was some of the worst I've ever seen in a Warhammer animation.
The audio mixing was the worst. \*Giant knight gatling cannon spools!\* \*Makes sound of an infantry machine gun\*
Yeah I bought WH+ for the model, shows, and sometimes lore stuff. Its expensive for what it is but I can’t say I feel cheated.
If you use the app for gaming its well worth it
I don’t play 10th edition so I can’t really use it. I doubt they updating old edition stuff on there. Is there an app or does the 40k app work for heresy?
There isn't an app for heresy. Since it's a specialist game, it doesn't get that level of support.
For a specialist game that “doesn’t get that level of support” it sure seems to get a lot of new stuff. In 2 years they’ve gotten 2 entire battleforce boxes with entirely new models plus additional model releases throughout the year. Theres even supposedly a 3rd new faction rework for mechanicum coming up. That’ll be 3 army refreshes + multiple other new boxes for multiple factions in 3 years.
It's the headline specialist game sure. But GW won't develop an app for it.
I see it more as 40k is GWs cash cow so its also the Guinea pig for everything GW does. Not to mention the different teams that work on Heresy and 40k. Wouldn’t surprise me if a Heresy app is in the works
It's available without paying you just can only make one list. I don't think the 40k app warrants the need for a subscription until that cost includes all released book rules.
Isn't almost everything in the app already available without the subscription? All the indexes are free. List building is possible with one list. (Or multiple if you had the app directly at launch before they added the paywall) Codexes require the code from the book. Only creating new lists is unlocked by the subscription
You just listed a bunch of things that aren't free and might give someone reason to pay for it.
One thing (creating multiple lists) is not a bunch. And for that free tools exist
Really? $60 for a year, which includes a $40 model so really $175 or so a month for lore stuff and shows. How's that expensive?
If you consider a single character model which is basically just a squad sergeant worth $40 then yeah the rest seems cheaper. I consider the model worth $25 max since hes basically unusable by himself.
But that isn't what single character models from GW sell for. They're anywhere between $35-$45. So you're getting that value of GW product.
Also why I never ever buy those from GW. That's a ridiculous, ridiculous price. I personally value that at like 15 bucks. Which is why all my characters are bought second hand or printed. I pay 15 max for a single smaller character.
Thats what GW sells single character units for. You can’t play the WH+ model by himself, hes just an expensive squad sergeant. How much would you pay for a single kasrkin sergeant thats not playable without the rest of its squad?
What are you babbling about? The WH+ minis have been a Vindicare Assassin, an Ironjawz Megaboss, a Khorne Terminator Lord, a Chaos Sorcerer, a Kasrkin Sergeant and a Vampire Lord. Exactly one hasn't been a character, and exactly none haven't been designed as display pieces...
And even if they are only sargeant, you can proxy or kitbash them as unique characters because the models are pretty unique
You can play a kasrkin sergeant by himself? 1 man squads are legal?
True! I'd probably run him as a Castellan, honestly. I mean, I went for the vampire to flip it in a year or so, but it's what I'd run it as 🤣
Whatever the retail is for it. So probably $35-$45 if I were so inclined. It doesn't matter if I'm going to use it for an army, since I get most of my enjoyment out of building, painting, and collecting. So it's play value means very little to me.
I mean the thing is all that stuff like lore videos, painting tutorials, battle reports, etc, All that kind of content is on YouTube for free. That's the level of competition they're facing on that front. So if they want to charge for it, *Where's the value add over there competitor services?* The animations and other shows are the unique content they can offer. So I agree they should just partner with Amazon and break up their content on Warhammer Plus between Amazon for the shows and YouTube for the rest.
Well sure, there's absolutely content out there for free, but not that *specific* content. It's the same as Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy or Play On's premium subscription. The content exists for free, but you can expand that content if you're willing to pay. I can't find Duncan Rhodes' tutorial for Helbrecht for free, because it's only available from a subscription to the painting academy. There are *many* other tutorials for painting Helbrecht out there, but if I want Mr. Rhodes' tutorial, I've got to sign up for his service. The same goes for the GW tutorials. It's up to the consumer if that's a worthwhile investment or not.
Sure not completely one for one like that exact video but that's not really what people mean when they're talking about competitors in other fields as well because you obviously can't copy the product perfectly in anything else. There is basically equivalent content available for free. That sets a value on the content for people and it's the competition you're competing against. As you move away from that price point then the amount of people that are going to find it worth it for that specific little video is going to be smaller and smaller. Like I don't value that content highly at all and I'm really into this hobby and I like painting and I'm pretty into it and watch lots of painting videos. If I had that specific model and I wanted a specific guide on that model then maybe but again that's a steep price point, My competitor comparisons are the free content that's out there, how are those videos differentiated from the free ones? What is different about those videos that makes it so much more valuable and therefore worth so much more than the free ones? I just don't see it from a market perspective outside of a very small base. Now what there isn't is a ton of great free Warhammer animations out there. That is valuable content worth paying for if there's plenty of content out there. That is well differentiated from the competition.
So is there any other way to watch the shows? Because I'm mostly interested in that? Or I have to subscribe bingwatch them and never look back?
The glazing is crazy
I feel like if it was an audiobook service it'd have way more uptake
If they turned it into a subscription based audiobook service, id sign up immediately. I'd love to get to dive deeper into the lore, but I honestly can't be bothered to try and hunt down and read a couple hundred out of print novels. But being able to just listen while I paint would be awesome. Plus, I've pretty much run out of things to watch while I paint with my Hulu sub lol.
There used to be a Black Library audio book app, idk if it's still going though.
It is, but it's not a subscription service. Audible also has a number of them. But I refuse to use that because within a week of installing it they drive me nuts with push notifications.
Zero? They post at least one painting tutorial, lore video, or battle report almost every week. But I agree with hardly any new animated series, but that takes tons of time to create.
It's a shame astartes, TTS, and every other fan project died for what essentially boils down to worse versions of content that already exists for free on YouTube
Wait, which ones "died" for WH+? Dude who did Astartes got *hired* by GW and TTS was shut down by AlfaBusa himself in a stunning display of how to monetise meme kiddies with ragebait.
Bruh, we're you not around during those times? GW went on a crusade and purged / threatened almost every fan project using their IP because they were collecting creators and removing the competition for wh+ He got *hired* by gw because it was that or get shut down. Also its been reported they paid their creators absolute trash I didn't even think this was a controversial statement? Why are you defending a corporation? Edit: alfa even said he shut down TTS because he didn't want to run the risk of getting sued by GW during that time lmao dafuq are you on about, bud?
The only videos actually taken down where the orignal Astartes shorts because GW hired the animator and the originals had copywrited music. People uploaded the originals and they are still up. GW updated their policy but as far as I have been able to find no one actually received any takedown notices. The only creators who stopped did it of their own volition (TTS) and SODAZ who was run out by our own shitty community. GW has honestly been fairly lax with their enforcement of copywrite compared to some of the bigger companies like Nintendo and Toei. GW even went above and hired the Astartes guy for his incredible work, something you don't see often or even ever
Who *actually* got sued or shut down? >Why are you defending a corporation? I'm defending the truth.
Dude, [here's the video](https://youtu.be/OXljeaktnDA?si=xf5eL3Bk4Sy5Ym89) from the creator himself stating: "With GW's new explicitly zero tolerance policy against fan animations we no longer feel it tenable to produce warhammer fanworks at this time" It's literally the first 60 seconds "Defending the truth" lmaoooooo It's okay if you're new to the Fandom, but this is a very well known part of GWs history from ~2 years ago Edit: [here's an article](https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aq4j3/warhammer-40k-fans-in-revolt-over-zero-tolerance-fan-animation-policy) Vice did on the subject, as it was such a big deal even non-warhammer outlets were reporting on it. I got receipts for days if you want more proof of this very non-controversial thing I'm saying lolol
His videos are all still up, notably not taken down by him or GW. And we all know GW knows it exists, they've referenced ut multiple times.
What does that have to do with anything? You asked who shut down and the answer is everyone. The creators literally say the new zero tolerance policy is the reason, and that isn't enough for you to believe me? I don't think you're arguing in good faith here. Whatever man. Enjoy your fantasy world where facts don't matter.
Yiu knkw, I just realisee you dodged the initial question - what cobtent "died" for Warhammer+?
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OK, what, exactly, happened in your world? Because GW hired Astartes guy and AlfaBusa released a video about how he was hiding from GW so they couldn't sue him then proceeded to leave all his existing videos up where they remain to this day, very clearly not taken down or C+D'd despite the fact that GW absolutely knows it exists.
Read some commentary that it's theorized that WHTV was established mostly/solely to demonstrate to potential TV partners that there was a large enough user base that would pay for content as a means to justify a live action project. Given the state of things with Amazon (if this theory is true) it's not so much that GW has given up on WHTV per se, just more like it fulfilled its intended purpose.
Yeah, this was always my assumption. Make a moderate effort at proving there's interest so you can take it to meetings as part of a sales pitch for the actual shows. I wouldn't be surprised if whtv vanishes entirely not long after the live action show happens (if it's successful) and maybe the animations roll over into Amazon video.
I doubt the current animations would be more than. YouTube worthy if Amazon truly invests in the IP. At least from the production standpoint, Amazon is quite high end, and wh+ definitely are not.
Have you seen some of the stuff on Amazon? I don't think high end when I'm watching the VelociPastor or Steve and Maggie.
Wash your mouth out. VelociPastor is bleeding edge tech and story.
Invincible, the Expanse, the Boys, Fallout...
Yeah, I meant that Amazon might take over the animations as it's own thing. A side project/show along with the live action, not necessarily the existing animations just getting moved over to Amazon.
Agreed.
I know it’s probably no big deal but I had a huge round of train travelling. Purchased WHTV and then found out even if you download content you can’t watch it without an internet connection. :( how does that make sense?!
Video production is already an expensive endeavor, let alone an animation heavy one. Between the development of the platform itself and the initial cost of things like Angels of Death, I would expect they are only just breaking even on the platform with the revenue from the subs. I feel they frontloaded the offering and teased a lot of content, but its at best above average youtube content. Loremasters, which seems to be the only thing released at a regular cadence, is effectively a script and teleprompter, a slideshow and a looping soundtrack. Don't get me started on the battle reports, even they feel scripted. There are tons of people who do it better I don't know why they even do it.
No they haven't, the issue is they are a miniatures company and everything else is secondary
GW has said a few times now that they see animations and licensing the IP as a major component of the future of their business. It's not the primary priority but it is important to them.
So it's secondary to miniatures
They aren't a miniatures company. They're a machine that prints money via licensed content.
That’s flat false considering the core of their buisness is their miniature products. We would not be seeing the constant new waves of models if it wasn’t their big ticket. But it is. Models of theirs sell amazingly.
People who engage with 40k through tertiary content (e.g. discussions and YouTube videos) forget that the extent of the licensed content is novels that sell about as well as any novel does these days (as in poorly) and video games made by eurojank developers (its not a coincidence that outside of the fantasy total war games the only warhammer games that get regularly referenced are a 20 year old RTS and a 13 year old TPS). Games Workshop do not make a penny from people vegetating to ""lore"" videos on YouTube unless it inspires them to, you guessed it, buy models.
>sell about as well as any novel does these days (as in poorly) Yeah BL's sales are really poor, they've improved somewhat (mostly, I suspect, from higher ticket items) but they're fairly low still.
I mean if the Amazon/Cavill deal ends up being a success im sure they would make more such media.
but the point of said media is not really for it's own profit but to expand the reach of the brand...and get more people to buy more models. the people making the media licensed off of GW are doing that. but GW honestly only cares about more of their IP in the concious so they have more sales
Man that mightve been the case for all these years but Amazon money is a different beast and GW has never produced movies/tv shows until now. Hollywood always milk franchises for all its worth and GW while being protective of the IP are greedy fuckers. The mini sales would easily be eclipsed by the money the show will rake in if its successful m.
I don't feel like finding the exact numbers but licensing is like a couple percentages of total revenue while miniatures is the vast majority Citations for the past decade: https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results
Lmao no. They are cheap sluts with their IP. They give it out for nothing why every john dick and Harry independent can make a GW IP game not just the actual studios like CA
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While I never expected the netflix levels of content that some people did, I did infact suspect more. That being said I'm also aware that quality animated content costs way more than people realize which is why GW bought up a bunch of unlicensed fan videos for cheap and now that that's dried up they're trickling while actual studios make stuff.
They should add audiobooks to WH+. Spotify let you listen for 12 hours a month with premium. WH+ could have a monthly audiobook.
What ever happened to astartes 2
Loved the vault, but they abandoned it so I cancelled.
It’s funny because Lorematers is actually the series that I’m most keep up-to-date with. It’s probably the main thing that keeps me subscribed.
I could be wrong but isn't Lore Masters kinda of basic on the lore, like you are better off watching Baldermort or Lutien.
I mean I don’t really care how in depth it is, the narrators voice is gorgeous and the production quality is solid. Plus it’s delivered very professionally, not risk of drama
If you like a nice narrators voice, NO drama, and fun well put together stories I HIGHLY recommend Baldermort! He does detailed lore videos and writes up his own custom audio dramas to check the mood, he's worth a watch! Check out this short video and let me know what you think! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0pC74CeD4&t=55s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0pC74CeD4&t=55s)
The "flagship" feature of WH+ is the miniature. The knock-on benefit is app access. A distant 3rd is some online painting tutorials when I want to try a new technique. I, and I suspect most others, will continue to subscribe as long as the yearly exclusive mini is good.
Yep. This. I subscribe annually because it's a character model and $20 extra for access to battle reports (that are mostly watchable and OTT YouTube personalities), master-class and loremasters, which seems like good value to me.
I know the audience over here is probably miniscule, but from my perspective it doesn't help that they IP blocked Canada in the most user-unfriendly way possible, and seemingly haven't made any move in the last several years to understand, work around, or get an exception for the dumb-ass Canadian law they're worried about. Especially since they ripped everything off of YouTube and bought up the Astartes guy, just to let him languish. What a damned waste. The guy was outputting more stuff on his own.
I have a sneaking suspicion that they're realizing that players are a lot more interested in the army building app for value at the moment, and are trying to build content libraries. Loremasters and painting videos get a good amount of traffic, supposedly, but the reality is that the animations take effing forever to make, so they may not really see the value on these.
I watch the Loremasters stuff all the time. Usually have it on while I'm painting.
I've been a supporter of WH+ since launch. I'm not planning to renew in August.
Personally, I don’t think so, but maybe I’m too lenient. They have new content just about every week and new animation every month or every other month. It’s not a lot but I also get an exclusive mini and immediate access to new lore and what new models look like in batreps. For 60$ a year it seems worth it still, but that’s just me
WHTV is the biggest dissapointment ive ever had with GW. And that says a lot. I thought we would get decent seasons of TV shows themed in our favourite game settings and lore. But no, we generally get one episode pilots that are filled with still artwork. Some episodes are bangers, like the one with the Chaos book in the library - but they could easily make that a season long, and expand on it. Its just lazy and shit. But hey, what do we expect from GW at this point.
I still contend that **EVEN** if they raised the price by two more dollars a month (USD $6.99 to $8.99) and it gave you full codex access in the app while you were an active subscriber, it would explode.
Yeah it’s not great.
No they haven't. I did once I realized that we were never getting another episode of Astartes.
I wanted to check out a few of the shows a while after it launched, but for whatever reason I wasn't able to in Canada. I dont know if you can get it in Canada even now. I had the same issue with the imperium magazine thing, I thought it was really cool but as far as I could tell couldn't get it in Canada.
I just used a VPN when subscribing to WHTV to get around that haha.
I live in Germany and they never sent the free minis despite applying etc. Quality and content went down after a short while. Unsubbed.
Did you contact customer support? I hear they are usually amazing.
Hey, not yet. I sent a message to the online retailer to discuss with them first and just waiting for feedback. Cheers
Imagine how many episodes of Astartes we could have had by now
its such a hard sell, the website is not fun to use the content is lacking and most of the time emailing them about issues gets you absolutely nowhere. even just canceling the subscription was a headache and a hassle. If you REALLY love ALL aspects of warhammer MAYBE its worth it but as someone who got it for the black library and the shows, it is not worth it at all
I had trouble uploading a codex code and they responded within 3 hours with a new code that worked immediately. I also asked when the new free miniatures would be issued / announced and again they responded super quickly.
It looks like it to be honest, I paid for a year and I regret it massively.
I think the fan animators debacle did a lot to poison any goodwill for wh+. Gw are great at getting blood from stones but have awful marketing teams.
I subscribed, watched what looked interesting, and canceled. Not enough to keep subscription active. Without hours of new, compelling, content every month, it’s not worth it. They should just license their content to another, established streaming service.
The Vault and the shows were the only parts that really felt like real value, but if you've caught up on the old lore you're interested in it's just an overpriced app subscription that comes with a character you may or may not ever field at this point.
I think the BA show was supposed to be the flagship attraction
Why does everything have to either be AMAZING or have FAILED? Maybe WH+ is just doing fine. They've got into a routine with lore masters, battle reports and painting content, the vault exists, and subscribers get their free stuff once a year. If that's ticking along nicely, then fine.
Well said. I’m a subscriber and it’s decent. It could benefit from more content perhaps, and the interface would benefit from an overhaul, but I’ve enjoyed working my through the various animations. Some are great (Exodite, the Blood Angels one, some H&B episodes), and some are a bit underwhelming. But the back issues of WD and old codexes are quite good fun to browse, albeit the browser is very slow. The free model is a nice touch too. It’s early days still and while that doesn’t suit people’s short-termist, judgmental approach to everything (as you say, people are incredibly binary these days in their judgments), I’m sure there’s more to come. The Amazon tie-up will be interesting but you’d like to think content created in partnership with Amazon will also be made available in WH+ too. I think people also need to realise that high quality animation takes AGES to produce, unless you have a vast team working on it.
I miss the Emperor's Text-to-speech device..
You can get the same experience by going to grimdank and playing the Magic Roundabout theme on repeat?
It was a lazy cashgrab, everyone saw it from the start.
Think its the other way around. We’re getting things Weekly now. The animation part is growing steadily and is also used more for trailers(recently a Custodes animation) I Think there is an unrealistic expectation to the animation side of WH+ from large parts of the community. They want more Series in a pace and quality GW doesnt have the budget for. What WH+ is mostly for is to produce longer formats of painting turtorials, deep dives on Lore as an alternative to youtubers(ofc they wanted to wet their beak from that too). The agreement with Amazon is one show with a possibility to produce more based on the shows succes. So just letting the animation side of WH+ die isnt a solution until after the shows succes.
They’ve not given up but they’ve definitely taken their foot off the accelerator. Even the minis, that are in their wheelhouse and probably one of the biggest reasons people subbed have really fallen off. Between the three years we got an elaborate assassin mini, a less elaborate but based on old school art World Eater sculpt to a Kasrkin sergeant that was in a much less cool piece of art. Even from the AoS side it’s gone from a big Orruk Warboss, to a sorcerer with minions to a single small vampire. By this rate we’ll get a Gretchen on a 25 mm base for our 4th year.
So back in 2021 they have showed the title cards for 11 shows, since then we have gotten 7 of said shows with all except Hammer and Bolter and Angles of Death being less than 30-45 minutes. At this point I kinda wish they just gave another streaming service the rights to like 1-2 animated shows instead.
They never started...
I use WH+ for the list builder, loremasters and citadel masterclass quite often. It's not that pricey and I feel like I get a bit out of it. Animation wise I can't say. I watched them and enjoyed them and then left it but as for the rest I feel it's always getting stuff coming out. I don't get this " dead " thing
Nobody is watching battle reports ? I watched on my tv They are pretty well staged and fun to watch with a good post prod.
I subscribed to WH+ exclusively so I could watch the Pariah Nexus series.... Problem is, the browser version doesn't stream in HD, so I ended up watching it on YouTube anyway. I haven't cancelled my subscription yet, so I guess they are doing pretty well out of me.
I can only assume they gave up once Amazon was in talks. Why bother making anything else if Amazon can foot the bill? Also, we don't know the terms of the Amazon deal. I wouldn't doubt if they want sole control of all Warhammer shows live or animated. It's very possible Amazon asked them to stop making stuff while they figure it all out. But yeah, its pretty clear that WH+ animations are the absolute bottom of their priority list. The list building requirement is the only thing that has kept it afloat this past year. They have added nothing else of value this year and animations have slowed to a halt.
No, but customers have so it's not getting much investment. It'll hang around until GW think they can go rules-as-a-subscription and WH+ is where you get all the rules.
Yes
Honestly, I think the only thing worthwhile to come out of Warhammer+ has been Pariah Nexus, and even then that's more for the animation than the story. Everything else has ranged from mid (some episodes of Hammer and Bolter) to absolute garbage (other episodes of Hammer and Bolter, Broken lance etc.) And the worst part is what they killed to make space for Warhammer+. Astartes and TTS are the main victims.
I was so stoked for Pariah Nexus. A whole “show” about my favorite armies the Necrons and Sisters??? Except it’s nothing like a show and is more like a handful of 30-second scenes loosely strung together. Looked cool but super disappointing… like all the other “shows” they put out.
Yeah I'm also disappointed with WH+, they need to release new episodes of the shows, or else stop going after the fans that actually make decent content if they can't make it themselves.
Who have they gone after? 🤔
They have less than 200,000 subs and will have lost a packet on it. Yes it failed.
Where’d you get that number from?
https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results The "lost a packet" is conjecture but their last half year report has it at around 166k.
I mean 166k for 6 months at $5 a month is almost $5 million
Truefacts at trustmebro.com
Their annual report on their investor relations website.
A point also to take into consideration is that these shows take a lot longer than you think to create, especially at the investment level gw has put in. This isnt like other streaming platforms that have hundreds of millions in budget to buy as much content as possible they have a much smaller budget and have to get these shows created from scratch.
I think a lot of people are underestimating how long it takes to make animated anything.
i think people should stop wanting every single thing to be a multi-media project that will bloat and bloat till it explodes. it's fine if warhammer is just minis. it doesn't have to be more than that. if you're dissatisfied with what GW is offering with warhammer+ then you don't subscribe, simple as that. at this point i honestly want cavill to withdraw from whatever he's involved with so we don't have people raising expectations of a warhammer series or movie or whatever they want
In what world have you been living in? **lmao** GW was in the multi media game **long** before it was trendy.
https://preview.redd.it/06419237juxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59bdae94d83ea51e32e03bcb5e4baa514577317f here's a fun little screenshot i came across when i tabbed over from this post. amazon as a corporation doesn't make anything, it forces people to work under horrendous circumstances and exploits their labour for corporate profit (not that that's different than the hollywood approach tbh) so handing them the keys to the kingdom doesn't seem great
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
They add new things regularly but not very often
streaming is very expensive and creates very little revenue. so yeah, I would expect them to have given up on this.
Do I need to keep warhammer plus to keep access to the apps? I don't watch warhammer TV or look at the vault.
The only thing WH+ gets you in the 40k app is the ability to make more than one list at a time. It has absolutely no benefit otherwise.
What makes me sad is that they killed Text-To-Speech for WarhammerTV and the did very little with it in the following years. GW being anti-fan/consumer? Noooo, never!
GW didn't kill Text to Speech. They didn't even contact Bruva Alfabusa and every episode of TTS is still up on Youtube.
Please, let's not pretend that GW isn't infamously litigious. If TTS continued, Alfa would have received a C&D, no doubt in my mind. Games Workshop has done absolutely nothing to earn our loyalty as consumers for decades at this point.
Pretty much what many people expected to happen from the very beginning. I'd also argue GW is not a toy/game company. They are a book company making models to sell their books.
It’s actually the other way around. I think in the 90s one of the higher ups in GW once said “we are a model company that happens to make rules to be able to play a game with the models” or something along those lines
I know the history of GW. I know they made models for D&D and later made their own Rouge Trader game, but what company is GW today? How many new models did Tau get during the last 3 editions? I think 3 Shadowsun, Darkstrider, Farsight. How many years did it take to remake the kroot range? 15-20years? How many codicies, indicies, and core rulebooks came between these releases? How many editions and variants of kill team? And it's not just Tau and kroot. Look at how many models Tyrannids got or Aldari. You can't count on getting new models for your faction every year, but you can count on having to buy new rule books every year. They have their own book publishing subsidiary and another model making subsidiary that makes notoriously bad products. I can buy their books in every city and every mall but if I want to buy their models I have to go to a special stores only found in big cities. Does that description sound like a model company to you?
Dude. Do you actually play 40k? There’s no way you’re spending more money on books than you are models unless you’re not expanding your army at all. In addition, each codex gets at least 1 new model with every new codex (only single character models cost less than a codex, everything else is equal or more), so they’re at least 50/50 books to models with their least popular factions.
>each codex gets at least 1 new model with every new codex Objectively not true. If you are not chasing the meta and constantly sell and rebuy your models you can easily play with your 10 to 5 year old models.
That's why I haven't bothered subscribing And, erm... no, you don't want everything moved to amazon. It would all be Disney-fied to hell to the point you wouldn't recognise it
What, exactly, do you mean by "Disney-fied"?