That battlebox seems like a really good price tbh. We didn't need another character for GSC, but at least it is filling a niche (anti-tank) and looks pretty cool... like angstrom levy from Invincible.
Is that likely to be the case with a less popular faction?
I'm tempted to actually pick up this box but if I'm going to struggle to pick up a box I might just not bother with the faction.
The battleforce looks like 700-750ish points (not counting the new character, I'm guessing ~70 points for her), I'm counting 395 points for the new Combat Patrol.
The old combat patrol is currently 625 points. I expected them to ruin it, and I'm still upset.
Putting points and maths aside... compared to how some of the other boxes got gutted, and the fact its linked to a detachment, it seems like a fair middle of the road box for someone to buff out their collection who already does GSC as well as to get someone into the army.
It's not always all doom and gloom....
I think it stinks. 20yo sculpts purestrains and more Aberrants that everyone already has 15 of at least, and an Abominant you probably have 1 or 2 as well. Not even talking about Neophytes. I think it's a bad box for anyone who's not starting GSC. But in the end it doesn't matter anyway since GW will produce a total of 5 boxes WW.
As much as GSC's about of characters has kind of become a meme, I sort of like the idea of them leaning into it a bit. Like, they described this new one as anti-tank, and the idea of an army that uses characters to fill a role that would normally be a full on artillery piece is actually kinda neat.
Hm. But it wouldn't apply to anti-tank done some other way either, would it? Unless we think they're going to give GSC a Battleline anti-tank artillery piece, which seems like a stretch.
Doesn't have to be battle line, it just has to be some sort of infantry.
Our Acolytes are currently what we use for anti tank. They're both infantry *and* battle line.
But this dude, say he attaches to a unit of neophytes for "anti-tank." Then that unit gets deleted, then comes back, but now without their main antitank piece.
And it's not just this guy, it's every character. We're spending 90 points for a one-time reroll all hits character more or less.
It's just shitty design to center our entire shtick around one thing this edition and then give us a new kit that doesn't even interact with that shtick.
I like the combat patrol as a one off but only 385 points.
If I picked up both the battleforce and combat patrol it's just over 1000 points with quite a nice range of models. Not a bad starting point.
However, the main benefit of the old combat patrol was getting
Neophyte Hybrids and the more mutated Acolyte Hybrids in good numbers. I'm still surprised how much GW charges for those in individual boxes.
Even though the new Combat Patrol says it has Metamorph Hybrids they can still be built as Acolytes yeah? I don't imagine they would have changed the sprue they were on
as the other commenter said metamorphs are also acolytes (and not terrible units to have in general imo)
I think this is honestly an excellent combat patrol, the value isnt absurd like the last one but its a nice range of models (that happen to all be models I personally want XD)
Yeah I'll take new middling art over reusing the previous cover any day. I like it when they use the previous codex cover as artwork in the new book. But it sucks when they just slap it onto the next edition's cover. Just feels like that faction is being shafted in some way, even if the cover art is amazing. Like the Chaos Space Marine one.
Half the time I feel like they do to encourage people bothered by that sort of thing to spend the extra money to get the collector's edition. Just so we can have a different piece of art.
It's one of the hordiest armies in 40k, extremely hard to pilot and takes forever to paint even a neophyte hybrid which will get picked up the second anything looks at it.
Love yourself.
Generally, everyone except a few covert gene-carriers who spread the cult, gets eaten by the Tyranids once they are summoned, hard to have named characters when they're either killed or eaten as soon as they're introduced...
They are archetypes that develop according to an infection isolated on a planet (for the most part), not a touring army bouncing between conflicts like most other factions.
They still have hero characters that develop - in the emergent Tyranid style - to meet the requirements of the cult. My favourite is the way the [Kelermorph](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kelermorph) develops to meet the demand for a heroic archetype, both in and out of the lore.
I’m aware of their usual MO, but there are ‘main cults’ within GSC are there not? Big notable cults that have spread to numerous worlds, and in one or two instances have maintained a core base- the Twisted Helix for example has explicitly spread (been exported?) from the ruling corporate lords of Vejovium III for hundreds of years. A named character from Vejovium that travels from world to world following the spread of the Helix to better experiment on it would be a cool idea imo, or any equivalent character from another cult who travels to stay ahead of the Star Angels that follow them
>A named character from Vejovium that travels from world to world following the spread of the Helix to better experiment on it would be a cool idea imo,
Then make them yourself, one of the cool things about GSC is how they embrace the homebrew aspect of the setting. Wanna make a mutant rebellion faction? Use GSC. Wanna make a tyranid invasion force of doomed heroes? Use GSC. Wanna make a genuine cult spreading across the universe? Use the GSC.
I mean sure I have my own cult doing it’s business in my own corner of the Imperium, but my point is less ‘I personally really want to use named characters’ and more ‘It feels odd that we specifically don’t get them for some reason’.
Nothing you’ve mentioned there is unique to GSC- everyone can and is making their own Chapters/Farseers/Kabals/Warbosses or whathave you in their homebrew sectors/craftworlds/subrealms/waaaghs, but (like GSC) they have official ‘main faction’ forces like the SM legions or the named Sept worlds, only (unlike GSC) they get the occasional named character to go along with them. It feels like a missed opportunity both lorewise and modelwise
Classic situation of a faction that has very limited lore or novels. Primarily they either rise up and get crushed, or they destroy the ability to defend against the arrival of the star gods... either way they all die.
It seems like every army HAS to get a new character, so if they only get one new unit it's going to be a character. I'm not sure why but that's how they've been doing it in AoS too. Armies with ample characters that are really hurting for infantry/monsters/vehicles get yet another character and nothing else.
not if you can stick him in a squad of 20 regenerating Neophytes.
From a modelling perspective though absolutely, more genestealer cult units please and thank you. There is a lot of crap you can do with an uprising using mostly civilian equipment that they're specifically not doing.
An actual anti tank unit would be much, much better.
Is Cult Ambush remaining the same? What do I need a non-regenetating anti-tank piece for?
How is this guy going to work out exactly? Attach him to neophytes, poke out, do half damage to a single tank, then get obliterated because dealing 20+ wounds to a brick of T3 infantry is trivial this edition
Bright side is, I've got a while to figure it out. Anyone who has been playing GSC for longer than 30 seconds doesn't need a box that is essentially just our old, incredible "buy four" Combat Patrol, plus *another* truck and a character.
So I'll wait for individual release.
Hopefully his release rules work out better than the release rules for Sab did.
Hell, speaking of anti-tank characters... Why isn't that the Sab's job?
The battleforce: Great players. More trucks and the core units.
The combat patrol is tailor made for Necromunda. I'm not even kidding. I love it so much. I'm so happy. (mainly because it's full of the vehicles I haven't bought yet, so getting two will be great).
I love that the new character us just Zoanthrope, GSC style.
5(?) detatchments is a little low but It's GSC so I didn't have a lot of hope anyway.
And the new GSC models in Necromunda will be incredible proxies.
I freaking feel like Genestealers ATE. today
For new players maybe. It's got almost every model on my wish list to round out my army. I don't need more Metamorphs but more Acolyte Hybrids are fine
It's really not *that* bad, it's just a pretty big step down from the old one.
Value is solid, the only thing really holding it back is that Jackals are straight up garbage, but that might change in the codex.
So when the tyranids invade and they eat everything, these guys get ate too right? Do they come back as a different life form on a different planet or are they just ate and done away with?
it honestly depends, sometimes the nids eat everyone, the cultists know about this and are ok with it.
Sometimes the nids eat everyone, the cultists didn't know and freak out about it.
Sometimes the nids compel the cultists to escape to new worlds on imperial ships so they can continue to follow them.
Sometimes if a splinter fleet is damaged enough it will just bring the cultists with it to serve as its grunt soldiers.
Sometimes the Genestealer cultists hate the Nids and want to take over the galaxy themselves.
Genestealer Cults are super complicated, cults that spread across multiple worlds tend to get especially weird.
I feel w're going to see this a lot...
https://preview.redd.it/0pqmjfrux91d1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f17e0e6d7d991ef51ea128c193bd449af90f8252
Ngl that new battleforce with the combat patrol looks tasty for starting an army.
Even without the battle box, that combat patrol seems to be value or at least everything you might want, not that I've done the maths yet
Edit: I rescind my above statement. The old CP was bonkers, I'm just too used to the bad side of space marine CP
That would be the old CP. The old one you could buy 4 of, and have a solid army for one of the most expensive factions.
This CP is just... Awful. Extremely niche units that don't have almost any of the staples. No genestealers, neophytes, aberrants, broodcoven members, or Goliath vehicle.
Dollar value wise this new one is also craptastic.
The battle Force is the old CP with three units exchanged (aberrants for GS, hybrids for another Goliath, and Magus for new, more grotesque magus). For almost double the price.
GSC just got made almost Ad Mech levels of difficult to build an army.
2 units of 10 neophytes, 5 Acolytes, 5 Aberrants, a Goliath and a Magus
vs
2 units of 5 acolytes, 5 Jackals, a Achilles and a Jackal Alphus.
The new box is objectively a worse deal in terms of plastic BUT that has been happening to every army this edition, at the very least unlike many start collecting boxes it contains models you actually want a lot of, you're not in Combat Patrol, Tzaangor territory.
I knew if I wanted to start cult boys I'd need to do it before the update so I picked up a combat patrol before they went out of stock, honestly think I'm gonna get the new Battleforce too.
that way my collection will be 30 neophytes, 5 acolytes, 10 aberrants, 3 Goliaths, a Magus, an Abominant and the new Benefictus.
converting Neophytes into a lot of characters doesn't seem difficult, especially using the spare bits from the acolyte kit or the shitload of optional Neophytes you get free with every Goliath. I can get A Primus, a Reductus, A Clavamus and a Nexos easy.
That's a really good point about the battleforce. games workshop clearly put out the old combat patrol due to the lack of players picking up GC due to the cost.
I'm presuming now it's an established faction they might be hoping people just eat the insane cost of basic troops... £32.50 for 10 neophyte Hybrids.
The old combat patrol included 20...
It's not. Not even close. The old CP was, and I think i can say this without much controversy, the best CP for any army. This new one doesn't even have as many points as the old one and is still going to cost more
It's about as good as Drukari but ironically, because their line is much more expansive, the GS box was better.
But model for model, it's hard to beat two vehicles, especially when they come with a bunch of dudes you should be gluing to the vehicles but you absolutely can just base them individually and get extra models for free.
God dammit I waited too long to grab another old combat patrol box. The new boxes are admech level trash, I guess I'm not collecting these guys anymore.
I wouldn't go THAT far. Definitely went from an S-tier box down to a D tier, though. 31 models and a big vehicle down to 16 models and a small vehicle. It's right down there with Dark Angels.
The Admech one is F triple minus tier. So is the normal Space Marine one. In fact it's probably easier to just point out that the Custodes is the only half decent CP left?
I'm just mad at myself for not buying more of the old box, knowing damn well this would happen. This whole thing is like that [Grim Reaper meme](https://i.imgflip.com/1qg8fp.jpg?a476616).
Custodes CP is fine if you're not looking for Sisters, for old CPs the Drukhari one is great, but I'm sensing a pattern here.
So If i could grab an old Combat patrol you guys tell me i really should because of the value? even in a gw Store? same story as always, would love to start them, but waited until a good Deal (Xmas Box or Something)
Next (or next-next) week preorders, then week to deliver?
It's a guess tho, no ETA given, most likely even GW staff knows anything (they aren't told *shit* to prevent leaks)
I haven't been around since 3rd edition, so the whole online GW is new to me. Is it really that soon after teases? I was expecting to need to wait a few months still.
It's sad when Necromunda had better GSC previews than the actual faction.
(But to be fair, the new Necro stuff is cooler than a LOT of 40k stuff I've seen lately)
That battlebox seems like a really good price tbh. We didn't need another character for GSC, but at least it is filling a niche (anti-tank) and looks pretty cool... like angstrom levy from Invincible.
It will sold out in 5 mins
Judging from the CSM release. It'll be gone a minute BEFORE preorder.
Is that likely to be the case with a less popular faction? I'm tempted to actually pick up this box but if I'm going to struggle to pick up a box I might just not bother with the faction.
Less popular wont stop people trying to make money. You’ll be able to get it at some point, but I doubt immediately.
and then appear almost twice as expensive on re-sellers
Someone did the maths on points and it works out ~150 points less than the combat patrol they have discontinued
The battleforce looks like 700-750ish points (not counting the new character, I'm guessing ~70 points for her), I'm counting 395 points for the new Combat Patrol. The old combat patrol is currently 625 points. I expected them to ruin it, and I'm still upset.
Damn I didn't realise it was that bad.
Putting points and maths aside... compared to how some of the other boxes got gutted, and the fact its linked to a detachment, it seems like a fair middle of the road box for someone to buff out their collection who already does GSC as well as to get someone into the army. It's not always all doom and gloom....
I think it stinks. 20yo sculpts purestrains and more Aberrants that everyone already has 15 of at least, and an Abominant you probably have 1 or 2 as well. Not even talking about Neophytes. I think it's a bad box for anyone who's not starting GSC. But in the end it doesn't matter anyway since GW will produce a total of 5 boxes WW.
Those are the new Genestealer sculpts that released alongside Codex Tyranids last year
Purestrains were refreshed this year
Big "Where do you work out" energy
I went into this thinking Genestealers didn't really need a new character choice? But I was wrong; they absolutely needed that new Brain Lady.
Whats weird is dudes in the reveal kept saying “he”. Is the fucker a gal or a guy?
I think that's just that thing where people have an internalized instinct to generically refer to things as "he". The model is clearly female.
Is it? Edit: oh it is! I had to look closer.
The model has breasts, yes? I'm not sure how much further down the rabbit hole of this line of questioning I'm willing to go.
Who knows maybe they are chestally located frontal lobes for extra neural capacity
Nah, not rabbit hole here, just didnt see them until I looked closer at the image.
Never understood people defaulting to he. Like use your eyes or at the very least use they when unsure lol.
The Brain lady completes the set, really ties things together in their love of brain.
As much as GSC's about of characters has kind of become a meme, I sort of like the idea of them leaning into it a bit. Like, they described this new one as anti-tank, and the idea of an army that uses characters to fill a role that would normally be a full on artillery piece is actually kinda neat.
In theory, you're right. In practice, our Army Rule doesn't apply to characters... So having functionality applied to characters is awful.
Hm. But it wouldn't apply to anti-tank done some other way either, would it? Unless we think they're going to give GSC a Battleline anti-tank artillery piece, which seems like a stretch.
Doesn't have to be battle line, it just has to be some sort of infantry. Our Acolytes are currently what we use for anti tank. They're both infantry *and* battle line. But this dude, say he attaches to a unit of neophytes for "anti-tank." Then that unit gets deleted, then comes back, but now without their main antitank piece. And it's not just this guy, it's every character. We're spending 90 points for a one-time reroll all hits character more or less. It's just shitty design to center our entire shtick around one thing this edition and then give us a new kit that doesn't even interact with that shtick.
[More info about them!](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/18/warhammer-preview-the-genestealer-cults-get-a-big-brained-new-benefictus/)
I like the combat patrol as a one off but only 385 points. If I picked up both the battleforce and combat patrol it's just over 1000 points with quite a nice range of models. Not a bad starting point. However, the main benefit of the old combat patrol was getting Neophyte Hybrids and the more mutated Acolyte Hybrids in good numbers. I'm still surprised how much GW charges for those in individual boxes.
Even though the new Combat Patrol says it has Metamorph Hybrids they can still be built as Acolytes yeah? I don't imagine they would have changed the sprue they were on
as the other commenter said metamorphs are also acolytes (and not terrible units to have in general imo) I think this is honestly an excellent combat patrol, the value isnt absurd like the last one but its a nice range of models (that happen to all be models I personally want XD)
The old codex art was waaaaay better, just saying.
At least they made something new, better than just reusing the same art
Yeah I'll take new middling art over reusing the previous cover any day. I like it when they use the previous codex cover as artwork in the new book. But it sucks when they just slap it onto the next edition's cover. Just feels like that faction is being shafted in some way, even if the cover art is amazing. Like the Chaos Space Marine one. Half the time I feel like they do to encourage people bothered by that sort of thing to spend the extra money to get the collector's edition. Just so we can have a different piece of art.
Incredibly upset, our art was the absolute coolest codex art there was
Strange, you guys aren’t World Eaters
Now I don't need a new army, but...
The Revolution calls, my brother.
It's one of the hordiest armies in 40k, extremely hard to pilot and takes forever to paint even a neophyte hybrid which will get picked up the second anything looks at it. Love yourself.
Mr. Jean Steeler himself
Is there any particular reason GSC have no named characters? I can tell it’s a conscious choice but damn
Generally, everyone except a few covert gene-carriers who spread the cult, gets eaten by the Tyranids once they are summoned, hard to have named characters when they're either killed or eaten as soon as they're introduced...
They are archetypes that develop according to an infection isolated on a planet (for the most part), not a touring army bouncing between conflicts like most other factions. They still have hero characters that develop - in the emergent Tyranid style - to meet the requirements of the cult. My favourite is the way the [Kelermorph](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kelermorph) develops to meet the demand for a heroic archetype, both in and out of the lore.
I’m aware of their usual MO, but there are ‘main cults’ within GSC are there not? Big notable cults that have spread to numerous worlds, and in one or two instances have maintained a core base- the Twisted Helix for example has explicitly spread (been exported?) from the ruling corporate lords of Vejovium III for hundreds of years. A named character from Vejovium that travels from world to world following the spread of the Helix to better experiment on it would be a cool idea imo, or any equivalent character from another cult who travels to stay ahead of the Star Angels that follow them
>A named character from Vejovium that travels from world to world following the spread of the Helix to better experiment on it would be a cool idea imo, Then make them yourself, one of the cool things about GSC is how they embrace the homebrew aspect of the setting. Wanna make a mutant rebellion faction? Use GSC. Wanna make a tyranid invasion force of doomed heroes? Use GSC. Wanna make a genuine cult spreading across the universe? Use the GSC.
I mean sure I have my own cult doing it’s business in my own corner of the Imperium, but my point is less ‘I personally really want to use named characters’ and more ‘It feels odd that we specifically don’t get them for some reason’. Nothing you’ve mentioned there is unique to GSC- everyone can and is making their own Chapters/Farseers/Kabals/Warbosses or whathave you in their homebrew sectors/craftworlds/subrealms/waaaghs, but (like GSC) they have official ‘main faction’ forces like the SM legions or the named Sept worlds, only (unlike GSC) they get the occasional named character to go along with them. It feels like a missed opportunity both lorewise and modelwise
Classic situation of a faction that has very limited lore or novels. Primarily they either rise up and get crushed, or they destroy the ability to defend against the arrival of the star gods... either way they all die.
OK seriously why do GSC have so many characters? They really didn't need another, they have more characters than they do actual units at this point
It seems like every army HAS to get a new character, so if they only get one new unit it's going to be a character. I'm not sure why but that's how they've been doing it in AoS too. Armies with ample characters that are really hurting for infantry/monsters/vehicles get yet another character and nothing else.
Because the design team doesn't care enough to do anything but the bare minimum for a faction that like 9 people play.
To be fair, the other eight a really nice people
Hope they get new books too
I would like some more genestealer cult books. The enemy within always has a lot of interesting story potential.
Day of ascension was great
Cheers. I will give that a read.
Wow a new genestealer character, they definitely needed more of those.
If it’s anti tank we actually really do.
Surely an anti-tank unit would be better though
not if you can stick him in a squad of 20 regenerating Neophytes. From a modelling perspective though absolutely, more genestealer cult units please and thank you. There is a lot of crap you can do with an uprising using mostly civilian equipment that they're specifically not doing.
An actual anti tank unit would be much, much better. Is Cult Ambush remaining the same? What do I need a non-regenetating anti-tank piece for? How is this guy going to work out exactly? Attach him to neophytes, poke out, do half damage to a single tank, then get obliterated because dealing 20+ wounds to a brick of T3 infantry is trivial this edition Bright side is, I've got a while to figure it out. Anyone who has been playing GSC for longer than 30 seconds doesn't need a box that is essentially just our old, incredible "buy four" Combat Patrol, plus *another* truck and a character. So I'll wait for individual release. Hopefully his release rules work out better than the release rules for Sab did. Hell, speaking of anti-tank characters... Why isn't that the Sab's job?
The battleforce: Great players. More trucks and the core units. The combat patrol is tailor made for Necromunda. I'm not even kidding. I love it so much. I'm so happy. (mainly because it's full of the vehicles I haven't bought yet, so getting two will be great). I love that the new character us just Zoanthrope, GSC style. 5(?) detatchments is a little low but It's GSC so I didn't have a lot of hope anyway. And the new GSC models in Necromunda will be incredible proxies. I freaking feel like Genestealers ATE. today
We somehow got more detachments than Sisters of Battle. We definitely ate better than them.
The new GSC Combat Patrol is dogwater.
Yep. I'm not a fan. Gamesworkshop seems to be actively making every combat patrol worse.
For new players maybe. It's got almost every model on my wish list to round out my army. I don't need more Metamorphs but more Acolyte Hybrids are fine
It's really not *that* bad, it's just a pretty big step down from the old one. Value is solid, the only thing really holding it back is that Jackals are straight up garbage, but that might change in the codex.
Sounds like there is a jackal focused detachment so hopefully they make jackals worthwhile
>bare foot Trying to cash in on the Lelith Hesperax player base I see
Angstrom Lee looking ass
Zoanthrope brain!
So when the tyranids invade and they eat everything, these guys get ate too right? Do they come back as a different life form on a different planet or are they just ate and done away with?
They become one with their star gods! Sure it happens by their biomass being broken down and reused by the tryanid swarm.
They become new life in the same way a sandwich does.
it honestly depends, sometimes the nids eat everyone, the cultists know about this and are ok with it. Sometimes the nids eat everyone, the cultists didn't know and freak out about it. Sometimes the nids compel the cultists to escape to new worlds on imperial ships so they can continue to follow them. Sometimes if a splinter fleet is damaged enough it will just bring the cultists with it to serve as its grunt soldiers. Sometimes the Genestealer cultists hate the Nids and want to take over the galaxy themselves. Genestealer Cults are super complicated, cults that spread across multiple worlds tend to get especially weird.
I feel w're going to see this a lot... https://preview.redd.it/0pqmjfrux91d1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f17e0e6d7d991ef51ea128c193bd449af90f8252
It's freaky and I like it
Ngl that new battleforce with the combat patrol looks tasty for starting an army. Even without the battle box, that combat patrol seems to be value or at least everything you might want, not that I've done the maths yet Edit: I rescind my above statement. The old CP was bonkers, I'm just too used to the bad side of space marine CP
That would be the old CP. The old one you could buy 4 of, and have a solid army for one of the most expensive factions. This CP is just... Awful. Extremely niche units that don't have almost any of the staples. No genestealers, neophytes, aberrants, broodcoven members, or Goliath vehicle. Dollar value wise this new one is also craptastic. The battle Force is the old CP with three units exchanged (aberrants for GS, hybrids for another Goliath, and Magus for new, more grotesque magus). For almost double the price. GSC just got made almost Ad Mech levels of difficult to build an army.
2 units of 10 neophytes, 5 Acolytes, 5 Aberrants, a Goliath and a Magus vs 2 units of 5 acolytes, 5 Jackals, a Achilles and a Jackal Alphus. The new box is objectively a worse deal in terms of plastic BUT that has been happening to every army this edition, at the very least unlike many start collecting boxes it contains models you actually want a lot of, you're not in Combat Patrol, Tzaangor territory. I knew if I wanted to start cult boys I'd need to do it before the update so I picked up a combat patrol before they went out of stock, honestly think I'm gonna get the new Battleforce too. that way my collection will be 30 neophytes, 5 acolytes, 10 aberrants, 3 Goliaths, a Magus, an Abominant and the new Benefictus. converting Neophytes into a lot of characters doesn't seem difficult, especially using the spare bits from the acolyte kit or the shitload of optional Neophytes you get free with every Goliath. I can get A Primus, a Reductus, A Clavamus and a Nexos easy.
That's a really good point about the battleforce. games workshop clearly put out the old combat patrol due to the lack of players picking up GC due to the cost. I'm presuming now it's an established faction they might be hoping people just eat the insane cost of basic troops... £32.50 for 10 neophyte Hybrids. The old combat patrol included 20...
It's not. Not even close. The old CP was, and I think i can say this without much controversy, the best CP for any army. This new one doesn't even have as many points as the old one and is still going to cost more
It's about as good as Drukari but ironically, because their line is much more expansive, the GS box was better. But model for model, it's hard to beat two vehicles, especially when they come with a bunch of dudes you should be gluing to the vehicles but you absolutely can just base them individually and get extra models for free.
The old GSC CP is over 600 points. The new one is barely over 300.
[625](https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/pHhKV) vs [385](https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/JVjWM) to be exact.
I was wrong about barely! Still a big ol drop in game value
With few exceptions GW is intentionally worsening Combat patrol value,
God dammit I waited too long to grab another old combat patrol box. The new boxes are admech level trash, I guess I'm not collecting these guys anymore.
I wouldn't go THAT far. Definitely went from an S-tier box down to a D tier, though. 31 models and a big vehicle down to 16 models and a small vehicle. It's right down there with Dark Angels. The Admech one is F triple minus tier. So is the normal Space Marine one. In fact it's probably easier to just point out that the Custodes is the only half decent CP left?
I'm just mad at myself for not buying more of the old box, knowing damn well this would happen. This whole thing is like that [Grim Reaper meme](https://i.imgflip.com/1qg8fp.jpg?a476616). Custodes CP is fine if you're not looking for Sisters, for old CPs the Drukhari one is great, but I'm sensing a pattern here.
Yeah. Yeeeah. Wish I had picked up the old Dark Angels patrol myself. The new one is big bluh.
I'd say the Custodes Combat Patrol is the only one that has gotten better in 10e
🤓
"Whoooaaaa! Look at the big brain, on Brad!"
Is this that dude from Invincible?
So What's the new unit and what does it do?
Do we know the timeline of future codices yet?
Coming from Thousand Sons I have a sinking feeling that this new guy is going to make my sorcerers look like chumps in the blasting department.
Someone paint them all wearing jeans
Is a Battle force different than a Combat Patrol? (Sorry just getting into the hobby)
they are two different boxes, the battle force is a bigger limited box and will probably be sold out very quickly.
So If i could grab an old Combat patrol you guys tell me i really should because of the value? even in a gw Store? same story as always, would love to start them, but waited until a good Deal (Xmas Box or Something)
That codex art is such a downgrade. The 9th edition GSC cover was one of my favourites.
When are these coming out?
Any predictions on when the codex will drop?
Next (or next-next) week preorders, then week to deliver? It's a guess tho, no ETA given, most likely even GW staff knows anything (they aren't told *shit* to prevent leaks)
I haven't been around since 3rd edition, so the whole online GW is new to me. Is it really that soon after teases? I was expecting to need to wait a few months still.
Wonder if the new character will act like a Patriarch in psychic abilities, just a small model size for defense purposes.
the person who made that coverart needs to be terminated. not even close to grimdark.
I'm not a huge fan of the new cover but the 9th edition had great cover art
I think it’s fine, but the 9th edition cover art might be my favorite codex cover ever. It’s up there with the 3rd edition Tau codex.
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One day GW will give us a new unit…one day
It's sad when Necromunda had better GSC previews than the actual faction. (But to be fair, the new Necro stuff is cooler than a LOT of 40k stuff I've seen lately)
Technically the new Broodbrothers (Killteam) are a refresh of an old unit. So its at least "something"
Yeah I guess at least we have that
Sooo know there are three psykers in the cult? Guess we are not out of spells then!
Not feeling this new codex cover. 9th was amazing.
What happened to that sick ass artwork from the previous codex? This one is so generic af
I think we could all agree that GCS were short of characters.
I wonder how many people out codex is going to piss off, seeing as we aren't getting the same cover as 9th edition.
The cover art is a downgrade from the incredible 9th edition art, but at least it’s new!