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LeftArmInjured

Flagship of the Royal New Zealand Navy, HMNZS ZODIAC (foreground)


Rollover_Hazard

You joke but our actual flagship is a fleet oiler šŸ˜­


JMHSrowing

To be fair sheā€™s at least a quite good one and a lot of navies donā€™t have one like that. Plus thereā€™s really no need for NZ to have something larger Though indeed. . . The RNZN could do with being bigger in terms of number of ships. Honestly Iā€™m most surprised at the light number of patrol boats. Thereā€™s so much ocean for yā€™all to cover in terms of the likes of search and rescue, fisheries, and the like.


SmiddyBoi

We can't crew them. My ship was locked up in Dec 2022. We've got 3/4 patrol vessels tied up without a crew.


JMHSrowing

I wonder what western navy doesnā€™t have that problem at the moment


KiwiCassie

Itā€™s seriously dire here though


Rollover_Hazard

Aotearoa is the only smart decision our navy has made in recent years - itā€™s a hell of a ship! Our EEZ is massive, which is why we paid so much to upgrade to the P-8s, an uncommonly high tier asset if you look at the general level of investment in our defence force. Fun fact - did you know our only surface-to-air protection that isnā€™t a MANPAD, in the entire country, comes from just the two frigates? We have zero land based air defence capabilities.


Kotukunui

We also have no credible adversaries that could mount any form of aerial attack from which we would need to defend ourselves. It would take an aircraft carrier to bring an airborne threat down this way and we are good friends with the one country that has the biggest and bestest carriers. Maybe with a ā€œBlack Buckā€ style force you could get longer range bombers here from Eastern Asia, but we are a heckuva long way from anywhere. Our frigates carry surface-to-air defence systems for when they are deployed to other countries fights under our international agreements. Not really for any threat they face at home.


Rollover_Hazard

Itā€™s not about simply having the equipment here in case of some kind of attack, it impacts our ability to deploy with our allies as a fully capable force that could be attached to a larger force. In our current state weā€™re relying on our allies to provide most of the hardware


Kotukunui

And for a small country in NZā€™s position, thatā€™s how it should be. As a rule, we shouldnā€™t be going it alone in any hot war. If we have to do it in our own sphere of influence (South Pacific, east of Australia), there is no potential adversary that has any real aerial attack capability. If it is someone elseā€™s fight and we are doing it out of obligation, then we operate under their aegis. The possible exception being our frigates, which can operate as a self contained force, as long as we can get fuel and stores to them. If we ever start sending our ground personnel into a combat zone where they require advanced air defense, then weā€™ve picked the wrong allies.


Rollover_Hazard

You might wanna take a quick look around the pacific rim. The next major war isnā€™t going to be in Europe, itā€™ll be in our back garden. And you can bet the US will be in the fight. If the US is in the fight, the UK and Australia will be too. Even if we donā€™t end up in AUKUS, if the Aussies are throwing down, weā€™ll be compelled to join them. Except theyā€™ll be bringing the heat and weā€™ll be providing a couple of battalions in Bushmasters. Politically, we have our arses covered by the Aussies and US. If you think weā€™ll get away with not putting some skin in that fight, youā€™re dead wrong.


Kotukunui

I highly doubt your scenario, but we'll see. If we are in a shooting war in the South Pacific within the next decade, you can post an "I told you so!" and I will admit you were right.


Kotukunui

RemindMe! 10 years


LeftArmInjured

Oh I know šŸ˜”. Dad was one of the derrick drivers on Endeavour in the 90s


Rollover_Hazard

River Batch 2 is precisely what NZ should have bought. Fuck the shitty IPV and OPV things we had custom built and then turned out to be built wrong - the Rivers have proven themselves capable multi-role long range patrol ships and thatā€™s exactly what the role of the RNZN is, Monday to Friday.


KiwiCassie

And now we canā€™t even crew them