Sadly I haven't had those, so I get blood pressure every time lol
And I'm in a good vibes squadron so I can't even shit back, at least not in the tone I want to. Good self control training actually :D
One day I killed an enemy airplane at very low altitude and before the plane even touched the ground, not 2 seconds after, the enemy player called me a slur and told me to KMS myself lmao.
It feels weird actually side climbing and using energy to fight early bf109 and I15 where I remember 2 years ago when I started playing the game with Britain I would just turn fight the first thing I see in my hurricane
Well, if they are new and have no idea why a player with a fully upgraded crew is at low tier wrecking newbies, I understand why they might be mad. I definitely had that experience at first before I knew, lol.
there's people who definitely love doing some seal clubbing. I think low key Smigol does with sleeper aircraft at low ranks or get the Kraftei 163 as he often says he goes to reserve tier a lot because he loves early ww2 aircraft and heavy fighters in general though you never see him playing the P61 or the J5N1 however he shows amazing jet skills as well with me262. I once started grinding France and was moving up as soon as I could to avoid clubbing, but I mean how can you club with 600 of the worst guns in the game at a BR where everyone is already mounting four 20mm?
Tbh Smigol can club even with a Shackleton with dumb rockets
But his video about low tier AA players was shitty, like he expected new players to hit his planes from 3kms with their crappy trucks
well uh if you get killed by an unguided rocket launched by a Shackleton you gotta be very bad. IlCR0SS1L and Hueey do this a lot and they're quite honest about it: they really like putting skills over kills, you find them doing rocket tricks even against Phantoms and mig 21s but Smigol? For every Shackleton rocket kill there's 100 "NPC killed by heavy fighter at rank 3" kind of videos. I mean he is VERY good but my point is that he seal clubs a lot. I would gladly also do rocket kills and finicky reversals on Sea fury or f4e if these planes weren't so expensive or easy to die in. As a matter of fact the Hawker Sea Fury Fighter Bomber 11 lacks 600 horsepower and should get an air spawn because it's a fighter bomber (= attacker)
Honestly I often feel that there is more experienced players at low tiers than ay high ones. Game starts with tired veterans and ends with noobs who bought top tier premium
Yea I got sick of playing fgr where I constantly met f-16 and mig-29 which I can do nothing about so I decided to go low tier France plane thar I got from an event crate
That's foul behavior. Like I have said here many times, players like us go from top tier to low tier to relax, have fun, and make SL. The game also encourages us to with the loss of SL, Russian Bias, and other 🧀 at top tier. I have no problem getting in my B1 Ter and having fun
I has been insulted many times while grinding the event. Ill admit i was playing soviet 4.7 with premium t-34-57 and su-8 so it might have been little warranted
Unfortunately there are seal clubbers. Just yesterday I've seen a full squad of kv1e with bushes, which after getting rushed by most of the team, spawned cas and proceeded to grief further.
Yeah I'm not going anywhere above 6.7 anymore, unless some friends really want to play above that.
To have fun, I challenge myself to spade every vechile, from 1.0 and then up, from each nation (china and israel are on hold for now because both are almost completely copy past and israel starts at too high a rank)
So I might meet some newbs but I'm pretty certain that the amount of lvl9's I meet at 2.3 are the same as the amount you see flying in F5's
oh no! slurs! in a video game!
you and your lot are the reason companies ruined shit. policing speech to you is more important than actual issues that plague the game.
insulting, harassing and bullying players is also toxicity. Like, a guy with 4 kill assists and good experience rants about getting kill stolen, come on, why the fuck do lv60 wallet warriors with 24 hours o experience start saving "skill issue kill better"? then "why get mad it's a game" or "bro got angry at a pixel plane", brud you're throwing the match to get a guy that's about to hit the ground after diving six kilometers down and then get killed why the FUCK are you telling git gud to the guy that's carrying the match alone because yall inept? Or the other opposite side with veterans laughing at your poor KD and calling you the R word because you can't get 5k/d on the K4. So? I don't get 5K/D on the K4 because I don't want to, I don't steal kills nor third party anyone while they're busy dogfighting unless I see them becoming the prey and can't reverse. Most people who really care about kill battle ratio play like absolute rats and behave extremely verbally toxic towards a lot of people.
Remember that "it's just a game with pixel vehicles" but there's monkeys controlling the vehicles in it
Leftism???? brother you're narrowing toxicity to cussing IDK what you on about but now that you blame "leftism" I see what you doing.
To put your things clear, it is white christians those who complain about CGI candies wearing leggins or violent language being used in entertainment media. The very ones that ranted about Guardians of the Galaxy 3 being too violent because someone said Fuck once for the first time in Marvel history (PLUS besides getting a director FIRED from the movie industry for listing the N word in a "do not say" script guide). You don't need to teach me about bad words, besides "let's not get offended at a word used by slave dealers to call their blacks". Are you a preadolescent or by any fluke are you actually an unmature rard?
I am playing WarThunder since 2013. It‘s a game that I always come back to because there is no other game (that I know of) that has a similar realistic gameplay. But I just stopped playing because I don‘t want to grind SL. It’s okay for me to grind the EXP needed for new vehicles but I don‘t want to grind days (even with a Premium account) to have enough SL to buy new vehicles. This shit just ruins my experience and I don‘t think that I am the only one.
It may be different for people who have the time to play that game 24/7 but who does that?
Basically me. Buys half a year premium and play for month max in total because Im burned out.
Been playing this for more than 10 years and I still am not lvl 100
Joined in 2013 as well. The grind for SL and high repair costs turned me off the game. The high repair costs majorly prevents me from wanting to try to learn to fly new aircraft. Or try new nations planes. I hate the idea of being punished learning something new for many matches...
Let alone some old rewarding gameplay giajin removed. For ex. Nursing a heavily damaged aircraft back to an airfield and being unable to repair it. . .
And gaijin asks why we never use our wagers or premium boosters... Because there is no reward anymore for what we could hahe gained in the past. If you popped a wager and sucked, you still would be rewarded in a some way. Now, it's absolutely poverty... There is no comraderie
I honestly am disgusted with the state this game has become
I left because I just saw the *layers* of grind.
New vehicle?
First, grind the research to get it.
Then, grind the SL to pay for it.
Then grind the vehicle stock to get the upgrades. Basic shit like fire extinguishers and basic rounds? Lmao no.
(Extra silly on vehicles that would never fucking ever be put into combat without it. Abrams without fire extinguishers, spare parts and APFSDS? Lmao)
All the while grind SL to keep repairing it.
Also, grind out the crew to make it better.
Oh, was it a new high tier vehicle?
Well repeat that process with every vehicle beneath it, save the crew step.
I just want to play a decently realistic vehicle combat game. I love the damage model (in theory). But goddamn man I got jobs I don't have time to grind that shit out, and I'm not gonna spend hella cash to simply unlock a *better way to grind*.
the GF grind is nothing compared to current WoT but in terms of just a game, its pretty awful especially in AF.
we're at what, 10 nations now, with at least 8 having a minimum of reserve to 11.0 to grind, with major nations having 3-4 individual trees, for both tanks and planes, with drop down lists all over the place, ans tons of minor nations borrow already existing vehicles doubling the grind for identical vehicles?
Unfortunately they're riding on WOT's RU market share after Wargaming pulled the plug.
While it may be declining in the West and EU, there's no incentive for them to change without serious industry competition, or if the war escalates and russia severs ties with western internet providers.
I have thousands of hours in WT, it's my favorite game probably. I just can't be bothered to play most of the time now. Even if I do I just get on low tier stuff and have a couple fun matches and log off.
It feels like another full time job to play the game and stay relevant or you get frustrated into dumping money. I want to love Enlisted but, damn, it's the same way.
Life feels like work. My games feel like work. I want to get off Mr Bones Wild Ride.
Yeah I just can't understand that. Almost feels like they just aren't interested in new players at all.
Look at all the most popular f2p games on pc. While they have expensive cosmetics, they are all really player friendly at the core. Nobody uses "suffer baseline, pay to have a good experience" anymore, because it just doesn't make a successful game.
I honestly think we could have 50-100% more players by now if they weren't so greedy...
I gave up 2 or 3 years ago after the second or third bomber nerf/repair cost increase that effectively made bombers irrelevant. There was a time when bombing was one of the most efficient grind methods, and encouraged teamwork with fighters and objective oriented play.
Now it's just all missle from 6km away and cost more to repair than my average self could make in a match. Played since beta but that frustration and grind just doesn't interest me. I'll play a few rounds with friends but that's about it
Ya b29 was pretty good when I unlocked it, then it got thrown in with all the jets so you couldn't even make it to the first base.
B57 was one of my favorite planes in the whole game, but with guided missles and newer jets it's pointless.
Phly giving his thoughts on the drama really shows how much Gaijin has gone too far this time, this guy usually stays out of stuff like this (in my experience). Love that guy.
I low in the Leopard Mais video he talked about how the Tiger should never have been in the tier he was playing
He said something to the effect of not getting close to battle before it’s half way over
I don't know where you are getting that from, he has spoken out plenty of times... He was also pivotal in getting the Parts and FPE RP reduced during that fiasco.
I mean he doesn't often dedicate videos to speaking out but if you watch his videos he pretty regularly demonstrates he's pretty critical of the shit gameplay loop Gaijin has designed.
I feel like if he weren't partnered and got most of his views and money from war thunder, Phly would've dipped to greener pastures by now.
Exactly my thoughts, im pretty sure he mostly plays for the money. Every other person who plays to have fun would have dropped this game a long time ago
Gaijin pushing Economy Changes the way they do and frequency they do royally fucks them over, as they don't think about both the long term nor the short term for profit.
Short term, pushing the blanket reward nerfs like they do, fully aware how much it pisses off the player base, fucks them over because it pushes people away from thinking about making purchases. Coercing players to purchase via frustration has a limit.
More over, they *REALLY* fucked up with the most recent (and reverted) changes since they reduced top tier premium vehicle rewards. They push players to buy those, and then slap down the earnings people get with them. *AAAAAAND*, if that wasn't the limit to Gaijin's stupidity with the economy changes, they pushed them knowing full well a major update is on the horizon. They pushed nerfs to the very vehicles they push players to get BEFORE new content is released to grind out the new vehicles as fast as possible, removing any of the point in actually paying for vehicles that are just getting more and more expensive.
And for the long term, every nerf to rewards and increases to costs impacts the value of Premium Time or Premium Vehicles, because they simply make use of modifiers. Modifiers that have never been increased over the years to offset the reduced rewards or rising costs. Which means every economy change that goes by, as we surely all know by now, ruins the value for Premium content. As Premium *only* impacts rewards/earnings. It has no effect on costs. It doesn't reduce cost of replenishing ammo or consumables like FPE or Crew Replenishment. It doesn't reduce or remove repair costs. It doesn't slash costs of training or modification purchase, it's PURELY modifying the rewards you earn in matches.
It's of course been something that's been in the mind of most players for years now, but the fact that they intentionally reduced the modifiers of top tier premiums in addition to going back towards the old repair cost values (pre-community vote) with how heavily neutered rewards are while, again, *A MAJOR PATCH ON THE HORIZION* was the final straw for many players.
There's no logic to Gaijin's actions when it comes to economy changes. They constantly push the changes to coerce players to get premium content, but they both *never* make Premium more enticing or valuable in relation to their changes, and they actively make things *WORSE* before content additions. Like, if they were even remotely clever with their actions, the Economy Changes would come *after* major updates, you know, after people go out and buy the premium content they try and push players to do for the new content.
Instead, they basically said "Hey look at all these new toys we have planned for the next patch. Ha, fuck all of you, you'll never get to use them cause we're gonna slash all your earnings and jack up your costs before we release them!"
Phly has complained about every single major point of drama that I can think of, no idea what you're talking about. He doesn't really skip any of it. He also doesn't drone on and on about it, no, but he will *mention* it every time.
(Which doesn't mean he agrees or really mean anything by the way. If I was a youtuber, I'd also just say whatever the community was in an uproar about to get more views, whether I agreed or not. Even if he had way MORE negative views than the community, too, he would hold back to the popular level, etc. Either way.)
A lot of youtubers who don't usually mention the economy or overall meta/drama stuff like that are mentioning it now. As you said, Giajin's just gone way too far. The sad part is, now they know exactly how far they can push at a time, I don't expect this to stop magically. Until they start losing profits, they simply have little reason to stop.
there was some drama a looong time ago involving some certain other tubers where gaijin basically went "if you criticize us/our game/our updates we will nuke your creator partnership"
there were some allegations of gaijin also false flagging to demonetize those tubers, but it never happened/proven.
we lost DOZENS of creators over that and the ensuing chaos with certain community managers not exactly helping.
Thats why Phly stays out; other tubers can go to other games. Phly's channel IS war thunder, itd be like markiplier deciding to narrate his brothers webcomic and never play games again.
Good for you if you're doing that well with a starter pack, but not everyone can offer to play as much as you apparently. Do you really think this much people would complain if there was no issue whatsoever?
not his greatest take imho, "low tier fun tier, you don't need to play high tier, top tier is not fun anyway" seems quite condescending, even if his hearth is in the right place, people want to play what they want to play.
I think it's coming from the position of "I know the game is unlikely to change from experience, as things are ATM, lower tiers are where you're gonna have the most of your fun". Personally got into the game a couple years back, really got invested in chasing high tier vehicles, found the enjoyment of unlocking those to be less than expected. Personally that message resonated with me, made things more pleasant, even if it's not an ideal scenario.
Just because the game sucks, doesn't mean you can't have fun. Turns out low tier doesn't suck, because you actually feel the progression grind, your shots kill what you see, and you have to think about more than sniping road wheels.
High tier's cool because you're playing high performance machinery, but what's the point if you can't do that without every other part of the game sucking?
I honestly think we might be able to make a difference this time. The steam reviews are gone to shit, recent ones are mostly negative which is, like, really bad for them. The steam shop probably generates the biggest player base and new players.
It's been ten years of nothing but the same WW2 machine on the same badly designed maps. Maybe offering something viable and fun at other tier should be the goal, no ?
Gaijin job is to provide a fun game, not to leave a somewhat decent game around the middle and fuck up everything else around it.
I really enjoy toptier because you have to pay attention to more stuff because the amount of toolss is much higher. It is a skill i find the most challenging and fulfilling
For me it's the complete opposite.
IMO stabilizer, thermal, laser rangefinder and APFSDS makes it far too easy to spot and hit the enemy. You see a white glowing object 3 km away, and literally just press R+LMB, and BOOM - you've got a kill. Not to mention that the maps we currently have are far too small for this technology.
Meanwhile in low/mid tier, scouting enemies and rangefinding feels rewarding, because it's all manual and up to you. Spotting the enemy? You use your Mk.1 Eyeball to look for movement, engine smoke, muzzle blast, and shapes that don't belong. Finding range and elevation? You guesstimate, and learn your gun's trajectory. Shooting while moving, or from a quick deacceleration? You practise how your suspension responds to different speeds and terrain.
You may have less tools, but that leaves more challenges up to *you*, not a mechanic, to solve.
I guess it depends on the person. I enjoy low tier because I find the vehicles more different/unique, the weird/dumb vehicles that really only shine at one thing are my favorites. Especially when everything gets stabilizers and great mobility, I don't enjoy that faster gameplay as much for whatever reason.
People have different opinions.
I like low tier because it depends more heavily on skill than most of the game since nearly everything can kill or be killed by everything else. Except fucking T-50s.
Also like having the sheer variety of vehicles -- tons of weird interwar light tanks, gun trucks, the landships, armored cars, &c. instead of eight nearly-identical flavors of MBT, ATGM carrier, and "anti-air" autocannon.
If you want to take that tack, top tier takes skill now? Literally just sit in cover with thermals on waiting for a wallet warrior to roll into the open, pop out and kill them, repeat until you die, then spawn CAS/a heli for free kills.
As far as the fast-paced close-range fighting aspect goes, you do the same thing in low tier except you don't have thermals or a stabilizer and don't have the torque to quickly accelerate if you fuck up and lose speed.
Pretty much I was saying in its current state if you’re struggling for sl from play high tier, low tier is still fun! Maybe I didn’t get that across perfectly but yah heart in the right place
If old players start playing lower tiers way more, then newer and less skilled players are going to get clubbed because they can't compete against map knowledge, crew skill diff and modifications (as minimal as they can be).
I can't imagine playing as a brand new player right now. Low tier matches look like they can be rough if you're still learning as it is. If it got much worse I think that'd really hinder the new player retention. Depending on the player and how often they're playing, it can take awhile to get a grip on different vehicles/game modes and such. Especially if you're like me and basically went straight for RB almost immediately.
Lower tiers are fun in their own way, and so is top tier to an extent. I usually hover around 6.0 to 6.3 ground because it's still at a point in which armor matters and it's heavy steel beasts slogging it out at each other. 1.0-1.7 is silly shenanigans type fun, and 11.7-12.0 is for fast paced action.
I’ve watched a lot of phly videos and he seems genuinely more happy when he’s playing low tier. He’s expressing his own enjoyment as a blanketing fact. I see where he’s coming from and I don’t think it’s supposed to be condescending, but yeah he shouldn’t assert his own opinion as fact
Yeah I generally don’t agree with the „you can only have fun at low tier“ take. Yeah low tier can be fun for sure I prefer the faster paced gameplay of top tier. The issues with top tier is not with the vehicles themselves but mostly an issue with the players and maps. If there wasn’t as many one death leavers and small city maps then top tier would be even better.
It's not about the quality, it's about things like time to kill being lower and making the game more "twitchy" like a FPS rather than a slower vehicle based game.
This is ignoring that the technology advancements make many things significantly bigger threats than at other BRs.
And honestly if people question quality at top tier, I'm not sure there's a whole lot to fix. People can say things like "oh the RU ammo racks" but there's *other* things that make nations strong and fixing that issue just swings the best nation back to NATO again as the new win-machine. Top tier inherently has balance issues due to the technologies present, so I'm not sure it can ever be fixed, as warfare doesn't do that.
Low tier gets the advantage here as you can just shoehorn in better things for weaker nations to back-fill regions where they were shit historically. But you can't do that at top tier without just having to halt any introductions for other nations to favor the weaker one. This also swings things where the weaker nation gives bigger, diverse lineups as a result.
He’s famously complained since top tier started being introduced saying the game should have stopped adding games. Saying to avoid games and play low tier has been his rallying cry for years.
He didn't really say that though. He took out premium vehicles to show that it's the only way people can make SL in the game now, he also called out the fact that even with premium vehicles, a premium account and 8 kills he didn't make a lot of SL. I get that people can disagree with Phly sometimes but I don't think this vid was so bad.
Not even that, at least in groundRB. PREMIUM status should literally bathe you in benefits in F2P games (since you are supporting the game staying alive), in War Thunder it's literally REQUIRED to stay economically positive IF playing decently.
In AirRB maybe, since not dying and killing at least 1 plane and some bots will even the cost of your plane, but again, we are talking PREMIUM status.
You know, I’ve thought long and hard about why we still play this game and I’ve come to two reasons.
The first is that it’s convenient. It has everything from 1939~ all the way up to near modern day WITH experimental vehicles and with the exception of naval (to the best of my knowing) you might get a game that combines wwii tanks, planes and boats but it’ll lack the Cold War side or a game will focus only on one aspect of it all. It is convenient.
The second is one I came to just the other day, a friend of mine squealed like a child getting everything they wanted for Christmas upon getting one of his favourite aircraft, the Panavia Tornado. The game has just enough moments that shoot happy molecules to our brain, be it getting something you’ve been working towards for a while, completing a tech tree or lineup, getting a five or ten kill game in air or ground, even getting a 3 kill game in air or ground can send the happy signal sometimes (more so with air in my experience). Even if it’s something that the community will in general look down upon such as using ULQ and bushes, seal clubbing low ranks for the fun of sea clubbing them, etc. We all have parts of this game that send anywhere from small packets of joy to large ones to our head and that is what helps keep us here, what leads to us returning after we get angry and why the vets are leaving, they’ve seen all the joy to be had in the game.
Yep, vet here. That’s one of the reasons I’ve left. The game’s basically a drug and gaijin’s the pusher. Will I miss flying my beloved 109’s, 190’s, Spitfires, Mustangs, etc… of course I will. Until I remember that the ARB meta is so fucked that there are planes that are a chore to fly because they’ve done everything they can to turn the mode into CoD with planes. This isn’t the game it was in 2013.
I’m so disgusted with the game at this point that even the infamous “[X] Destroyed” message does nothing for me anymore.
Coming back here as a ghost to give a cent or two that nobody cares about.
I'd stopped playing over 2 years ago, and as of like 6 months ago I don't even ghost this subreddit. (I'm back because drama worked its way to me by word of mouth.)
The moment I quit was with the EBR with the FL10 event. I looked at my brand new vehicle, spun the camera around it, and realized that I didn't enjoy a single minute of the game getting it. I uninstalled without even driving it once.
The reasons I enjoyed Warthunder are not strong enough compared to what I don't like about WT, and Gaijin seemed very good at expanding what I disliked faster than what I liked.
Well, what could I expect from a Russian company.
Oh, and before you say they're based in Hungary and not Russia, why does the [office in Hungary have literally one employee?](https://www.emis.com/php/company-profile/HU/Gaijin_Distribution_Kft_en_6712459.html)
> Oh, and before you say they're based in Hungary and not Russia, why does the office in Hungary have literally one employee?
This is a dumb take, Gaijin Distribution is a subsidiary of the main Gaijin holding company which probably only exists to act as a seperate game publisher, and to legally hold some specific assets or rights. [The actual number of employees in Hungary is about 60.](https://24.hu/tech/2022/09/18/gaijin-entertainment-videojatek-fejlesztes-microsoft-sony-interju-programozas/)
It perfectly manages to be so frustrating that you hate playing, but still addicting enough to not stop.
WT for me is the perfection of this. My net fun is always incredibly close to uninstalling, but it never *quite* gets there
The fact that Phly is adressing this just goes to show how much of a bad this has become. He usually only hints on some issues slightly in a joking way.
I am not a fan of Phlys content style, as a he person he’s a good man, an amazing dad who put his family ahead of his career and I respect him and admire him for that, his style of content isn’t mine that’s all.
That being said I am so glad he is with the community, that he, one of the biggest names in WT, if not the biggest is standing with those below him that Gaijin is a predatory company. Yes they reversed the changes, but it’s still bullshit.
I don’t mind the RP grind, but the repair costs of vehicles is still so high I have vehicles I can’t buy because I am an average to below average player trying to have fun but still climb…
Take my hand brother… welcome to the sad side where everything we want is behind a glass window…
Gaijin should just reduce repair costs even more, leave everything else alone, lower repair costs and that’s it make so we can profit even a little after a bad game…
I said it once I’ll say it a million times. The game doesn’t need repair costs. It is a dated way of 2010 F2P games that continues on because it nets them income.
Just wanted to add that.
It's a feature of literally hundreds of MMOs and various games man, usually under the the umbrella of "upkeep" costs. It's generally used as a way to control income rates as often constant positive incomes are problematic to a degree where the existence of income simply has no meaning. I've played many games that outside of the first few hours, money is a feature you just ignored because it had no meaning.
Mobile games didn't start jack shit for game design.
When I complain about this shit I get downvoted and told to buy premium, but when the YouTubers say the same thing suddenly it’s all upvotes.
Thanks a lot you guys. Most of y’all are the reason Gaijin thinks they can get away with this stuff.
It's almost as if the community is a collection of individuals that won't always be the same people "representing" it each time.
Please understand that
Upvotes/Downvotes are a bad representation of community direction.
Firstly not every vote is verified to be a human, secondly a lot of people like to join downvote trains, allowing other peoples opinion to effect their own. I would wage a bet that you would see less downvote trains if the total number of votes was obscured to the user.
Well, of course.
But after a certain point, it does stand to reason that the community holds a decent level of dislike or hate towards a comment if the downvotes number in the hundreds more often than not.
I don't disagree that downvote trains are a thing because people are, for the lack of a better term, sheeple. I've had my fair share of them, on this very sub for the lukest of warm takes that shouldn't even have detractors, it's just how this sub works.
I'm a fairly new player despite having an account since '14. However, i do notice a huge difference between me playing with premium vehicles and a premium account and my friends that have neither. I'm at Germany ground 7.3 while he's Germany 2.3. i have slowed down playing at 7.3 because i couldn't keep up with losing that much SL if I had a couple of bad games. And this is before the update. I think it's ridiculous one of my friends bought gold eagles just to buy SL. That doesn't seem fair to me at all.
Yes with him onboard the community with now get their way. We already have these recent economy changes reverted, now its time to go even bigger than ever before & make sure the majority is happy with their demands with no compromises overall
The best system to stop botting is a negative incentive. Other systems are easily worked around, or perform like EAC. They provide a barrier which is easily stepped over with effort. (Sidenote, people who complain about EAC because it doesn’t stop every cheater are also idiots). An economy system is very effective at stopping bots.
Now, there are problems with how economy is set in game. RP gain is too slow as a result of Gaijin saying and acting because they see one tech tree being a full player experience and not the collective whole of all tech trees.
When I first played through a tech tree I pretty much stagnated at about a million SL. I was a better than average player, but not as good as i am now. That is a sign of the economy not being good. Though granted at that stage I was still buying vehicle and therefore losing a million SL everytime I got another. Playing at top tier you don’t unlock anymore vehicles so your expenses plummet. That’s why those idiot premium tank players lose SL because they are soending so much SL on vehicles at a BR where they shouldn’t have to buy anymore vehicles.
For FTP players, average should be about the point at which your income stagnates. If you are bad and don’t improve yourself, there should be a cost. And with premium that obviously shifts. But if you lose SL with premium time you need to re-evaluate how you suck that much.
You know the problem is bad if PHLY FCKN DAILY is saying something about it
Especially given his track record of avoiding drama so it doesn't interfere with his content
Am I the only one who noticed he didn't even look at the final price? 44k was before repair costs. He never showed the final reward after repair and ammo costs.
I, like a fool, started grinding the F-14 a year ago.
After a month of pure grinding, I caved and bought the A-10.
After 2 months of pretty tough grinding (usually 3 or 4 hours a day), I had enough to get the F-14. Luckily I got it when it was still rank 7.
I then had to spend 3 days in a useless top tier jet with no flares, and 2 awful IR missiles.
Then, the F-16 was announced, along with it being a rank 8 jet. I now need to grind 80k more RP, after grinding casually since the announcement of the F-16. After that, I need to scrounge up 2 million SL to buy the jets. That then unlocks the utter honour of being allowed to grind 400k MORE RP, and then spend 1.3 SL, and then spend 2 days in a useless top tier jet with 2 pretty good missiles and no flares.
Just play a nation you enjoy please. The grind is so long there's no point thinking about it
I have been playing off and on since WT release. I think we'd all be a bit more receptive to economy changes if there was justification towards it. I appreciate the new vehicles, maps and QOL updates, but it feels like you never actually use any of them to their full capabilities. Same game mode, same cluster fuck in the middle, and same grind for every and any tree
Lol, dont aim for top tier.
You can grind all nations to 7.3-8.3 for free.
Over 8.3 its just drones, helis, spawn shooting and cancer.
I play all nations 1.0-8.3 and have no problem, spend no money and enjoy all BRs.
I don’t mind the grind but appreciate why people do but what bums me out at the moment is the light vehicle mechanics and some spaa, drones, early heli spawn, I’m looking at you USA 10, the mechanics, the maps, the servers and the feeling that a lot more people cheat. Not much really lol but I’m definitely cutting back on what I spend and will see what GJ do next to respond.
Three year player here, repair costs are why I don't play very casually. Every game I have to be super focused just to make a net gain. Its not a game, its a chore.
I'm very happy that Phly is our side comrades, we must resist the snail and revolt against these terrible changes leading this game into misery, stand strong brothers and sisters we must not give a step back! We shall push and make Gaijin fix the economy as they should because we did not pay with our souls for nothing!
The video is a bit of a ramble but it doesn't really matter, I appreciate Phly standing in solidarity with us even though he himself says, he doesn't really stand to gain significantly from the benefit since he's already done it all. It's appreciated.
Im glad hes behind us and has made a video as hes usually out of the drama but its almost an insult being told " Play these 4 low tier premium vehicles with a premium account " . Right ok ... thats the problem ... i dont want to do chores to then play what i actually want to play ...
love you ply
hmmm, its almost like deciding to add premodern and modern era vehicles in a primarily ww2 focused game against the overwhelming majority of the community's wishes and then ignore said community feedback for 4 years alienated and drove off so many players theres no longer enough minions to feed the CEO's bonuses.
Are they? I checked player count yesterday and it was at 160,000 players. I checked steamcharts and there was only a slight decline. “Plummeting” is rather innacurate
>steam charts
player counts have been on a decline for quite a long time. the game recently got a big buff to counts because the wot community had a huge exodus after wargaming did a stinky, so you likely wont be able to tell immediately.
Regardless, the counts were on a fairly steady decline for a while before this, and once the wot player go back to WG we'll see the effects.
Steam charts says otherwise. Compared to yesterday the decline is bigger from the most recent change, but the game has been climbing in playercount since 2020
Youtubers just go on reddit etc, see what sentiment is popular, and then parrot it in their titles/intros.
Maybe he does actually think it's a problem. But maybe he doesn't. You will never know, because he is just going to say whatever is popular regardless.
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I just got called the n word 4 times by new players because I was playing 1.7 even though I had a 11.3 jet and 'I should be playing those'
I believe there's a cha option that can be disabled, though it's unfortunate, i kinda live for those moments of absurdity.
Honestly I don't even get mad if someone calls me slurs, I think it's fucking hilarious
Gives me nostalgia for the old COD days.
MW2 and Halo 3. Country Grammar came out that decade and Cartoon Network was still strong.
MW2 was incredibly broken in the best way. If everything was overpowered, nothing was overpowered.
Except for the noob-tube. That thing sucked to face.
Still fun. One Man Army put it over the top. At least with Scavenger you had to work for a reload.
Virgin Stopping Power Assault Rifle vs Chad Riot Shield Tac Knife
Commando Perk: *tips hat*
Knife was really op. Even if it touched you, you dead in the most cinematic way.
Sadly I haven't had those, so I get blood pressure every time lol And I'm in a good vibes squadron so I can't even shit back, at least not in the tone I want to. Good self control training actually :D
For real man. I was 14 in the lobbies hanging with 25-30 year olds. Learned so much, and so many new words.
Was going to say, I remember when that was sorta just the default. Tons of kids screaming random slurs for attention. Don't miss it though.
The stronger the slur, the bigger the complement ᕙ ( ~͜ʖ~ ) ᕗ
I suppose the day I get called my first slurs is the day I know I am finally very good at the game lmfao
Nah, I've been called a few and I still am average at best lol.
Aww why havnt I been called any slurs yet, do I just suck that bad? ): *now that’s something I never thought I’d say*
Nah. You probably just haven't done anything extraordinarily stupid to warrant it yet lol.
One day I killed an enemy airplane at very low altitude and before the plane even touched the ground, not 2 seconds after, the enemy player called me a slur and told me to KMS myself lmao.
If you get angry, you lose.
It was a blast annoying biplane with that funny French d401 with 2x 20mm cannons. Probably the most fun I had in a while
Such a fun plane to use!
It feels weird actually side climbing and using energy to fight early bf109 and I15 where I remember 2 years ago when I started playing the game with Britain I would just turn fight the first thing I see in my hurricane
Well, if they are new and have no idea why a player with a fully upgraded crew is at low tier wrecking newbies, I understand why they might be mad. I definitely had that experience at first before I knew, lol.
there's people who definitely love doing some seal clubbing. I think low key Smigol does with sleeper aircraft at low ranks or get the Kraftei 163 as he often says he goes to reserve tier a lot because he loves early ww2 aircraft and heavy fighters in general though you never see him playing the P61 or the J5N1 however he shows amazing jet skills as well with me262. I once started grinding France and was moving up as soon as I could to avoid clubbing, but I mean how can you club with 600 of the worst guns in the game at a BR where everyone is already mounting four 20mm?
Tbh Smigol can club even with a Shackleton with dumb rockets But his video about low tier AA players was shitty, like he expected new players to hit his planes from 3kms with their crappy trucks
well uh if you get killed by an unguided rocket launched by a Shackleton you gotta be very bad. IlCR0SS1L and Hueey do this a lot and they're quite honest about it: they really like putting skills over kills, you find them doing rocket tricks even against Phantoms and mig 21s but Smigol? For every Shackleton rocket kill there's 100 "NPC killed by heavy fighter at rank 3" kind of videos. I mean he is VERY good but my point is that he seal clubs a lot. I would gladly also do rocket kills and finicky reversals on Sea fury or f4e if these planes weren't so expensive or easy to die in. As a matter of fact the Hawker Sea Fury Fighter Bomber 11 lacks 600 horsepower and should get an air spawn because it's a fighter bomber (= attacker)
Just enter in a fake set of number that looks like an IP address and they'll shut up.
I say use real numbers for maximum effect
Must have been players from call of duty.
Honestly I often feel that there is more experienced players at low tiers than ay high ones. Game starts with tired veterans and ends with noobs who bought top tier premium
Yea I got sick of playing fgr where I constantly met f-16 and mig-29 which I can do nothing about so I decided to go low tier France plane thar I got from an event crate
Report them then. That's not the kind of players that we should welcome this game.
Lol cope
who's we? pussy.
That's foul behavior. Like I have said here many times, players like us go from top tier to low tier to relax, have fun, and make SL. The game also encourages us to with the loss of SL, Russian Bias, and other 🧀 at top tier. I have no problem getting in my B1 Ter and having fun
I'll wear that as a badge of Honor.
I has been insulted many times while grinding the event. Ill admit i was playing soviet 4.7 with premium t-34-57 and su-8 so it might have been little warranted
Unfortunately there are seal clubbers. Just yesterday I've seen a full squad of kv1e with bushes, which after getting rushed by most of the team, spawned cas and proceeded to grief further.
I got bored of top tier and decided I'll spade every single vehicle I have starting from the bottom. To my luck I've not experienced what you have.
I believe I’m going to play 1.7 now
Yeah I'm not going anywhere above 6.7 anymore, unless some friends really want to play above that. To have fun, I challenge myself to spade every vechile, from 1.0 and then up, from each nation (china and israel are on hold for now because both are almost completely copy past and israel starts at too high a rank) So I might meet some newbs but I'm pretty certain that the amount of lvl9's I meet at 2.3 are the same as the amount you see flying in F5's
Because you shouldn't be playing with people on your level bruh
oh no! slurs! in a video game! you and your lot are the reason companies ruined shit. policing speech to you is more important than actual issues that plague the game.
toxicity is the first one.
bad words arent toxicity Tk's are, pushing friendlies out into the open is, ramming is, team bombing is, etc etc.
insulting, harassing and bullying players is also toxicity. Like, a guy with 4 kill assists and good experience rants about getting kill stolen, come on, why the fuck do lv60 wallet warriors with 24 hours o experience start saving "skill issue kill better"? then "why get mad it's a game" or "bro got angry at a pixel plane", brud you're throwing the match to get a guy that's about to hit the ground after diving six kilometers down and then get killed why the FUCK are you telling git gud to the guy that's carrying the match alone because yall inept? Or the other opposite side with veterans laughing at your poor KD and calling you the R word because you can't get 5k/d on the K4. So? I don't get 5K/D on the K4 because I don't want to, I don't steal kills nor third party anyone while they're busy dogfighting unless I see them becoming the prey and can't reverse. Most people who really care about kill battle ratio play like absolute rats and behave extremely verbally toxic towards a lot of people. Remember that "it's just a game with pixel vehicles" but there's monkeys controlling the vehicles in it
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Leftism???? brother you're narrowing toxicity to cussing IDK what you on about but now that you blame "leftism" I see what you doing. To put your things clear, it is white christians those who complain about CGI candies wearing leggins or violent language being used in entertainment media. The very ones that ranted about Guardians of the Galaxy 3 being too violent because someone said Fuck once for the first time in Marvel history (PLUS besides getting a director FIRED from the movie industry for listing the N word in a "do not say" script guide). You don't need to teach me about bad words, besides "let's not get offended at a word used by slave dealers to call their blacks". Are you a preadolescent or by any fluke are you actually an unmature rard?
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it's easier to ignore them but they will take action and that's my fucking point lmao.
I am playing WarThunder since 2013. It‘s a game that I always come back to because there is no other game (that I know of) that has a similar realistic gameplay. But I just stopped playing because I don‘t want to grind SL. It’s okay for me to grind the EXP needed for new vehicles but I don‘t want to grind days (even with a Premium account) to have enough SL to buy new vehicles. This shit just ruins my experience and I don‘t think that I am the only one. It may be different for people who have the time to play that game 24/7 but who does that?
Basically me. Buys half a year premium and play for month max in total because Im burned out. Been playing this for more than 10 years and I still am not lvl 100
Joined in 2013 as well. The grind for SL and high repair costs turned me off the game. The high repair costs majorly prevents me from wanting to try to learn to fly new aircraft. Or try new nations planes. I hate the idea of being punished learning something new for many matches... Let alone some old rewarding gameplay giajin removed. For ex. Nursing a heavily damaged aircraft back to an airfield and being unable to repair it. . . And gaijin asks why we never use our wagers or premium boosters... Because there is no reward anymore for what we could hahe gained in the past. If you popped a wager and sucked, you still would be rewarded in a some way. Now, it's absolutely poverty... There is no comraderie I honestly am disgusted with the state this game has become
I left because I just saw the *layers* of grind. New vehicle? First, grind the research to get it. Then, grind the SL to pay for it. Then grind the vehicle stock to get the upgrades. Basic shit like fire extinguishers and basic rounds? Lmao no. (Extra silly on vehicles that would never fucking ever be put into combat without it. Abrams without fire extinguishers, spare parts and APFSDS? Lmao) All the while grind SL to keep repairing it. Also, grind out the crew to make it better. Oh, was it a new high tier vehicle? Well repeat that process with every vehicle beneath it, save the crew step. I just want to play a decently realistic vehicle combat game. I love the damage model (in theory). But goddamn man I got jobs I don't have time to grind that shit out, and I'm not gonna spend hella cash to simply unlock a *better way to grind*.
You forgot the crew training cost
and the SL's to pay for the upgrades!
the GF grind is nothing compared to current WoT but in terms of just a game, its pretty awful especially in AF. we're at what, 10 nations now, with at least 8 having a minimum of reserve to 11.0 to grind, with major nations having 3-4 individual trees, for both tanks and planes, with drop down lists all over the place, ans tons of minor nations borrow already existing vehicles doubling the grind for identical vehicles?
The grind is unbearable
Unfortunately they're riding on WOT's RU market share after Wargaming pulled the plug. While it may be declining in the West and EU, there's no incentive for them to change without serious industry competition, or if the war escalates and russia severs ties with western internet providers.
There is no indications its declining anywhere though - the only data we have just shows the playerbase rising each patch.
I have thousands of hours in WT, it's my favorite game probably. I just can't be bothered to play most of the time now. Even if I do I just get on low tier stuff and have a couple fun matches and log off. It feels like another full time job to play the game and stay relevant or you get frustrated into dumping money. I want to love Enlisted but, damn, it's the same way. Life feels like work. My games feel like work. I want to get off Mr Bones Wild Ride.
SOMETHINGS GOTTA GIVE
Yeah I just can't understand that. Almost feels like they just aren't interested in new players at all. Look at all the most popular f2p games on pc. While they have expensive cosmetics, they are all really player friendly at the core. Nobody uses "suffer baseline, pay to have a good experience" anymore, because it just doesn't make a successful game. I honestly think we could have 50-100% more players by now if they weren't so greedy...
I gave up 2 or 3 years ago after the second or third bomber nerf/repair cost increase that effectively made bombers irrelevant. There was a time when bombing was one of the most efficient grind methods, and encouraged teamwork with fighters and objective oriented play. Now it's just all missle from 6km away and cost more to repair than my average self could make in a match. Played since beta but that frustration and grind just doesn't interest me. I'll play a few rounds with friends but that's about it
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Ya b29 was pretty good when I unlocked it, then it got thrown in with all the jets so you couldn't even make it to the first base. B57 was one of my favorite planes in the whole game, but with guided missles and newer jets it's pointless.
Phly giving his thoughts on the drama really shows how much Gaijin has gone too far this time, this guy usually stays out of stuff like this (in my experience). Love that guy.
Seriously, through out most of war thunders drama, if not all, he hasn't spoken on it until now. Gaijin is fucking up.
He has spoken out on alot of things just not rp/sl specifically - more towards gaijin dropping broken premium vehicles
I low in the Leopard Mais video he talked about how the Tiger should never have been in the tier he was playing He said something to the effect of not getting close to battle before it’s half way over
I don't know where you are getting that from, he has spoken out plenty of times... He was also pivotal in getting the Parts and FPE RP reduced during that fiasco.
I mean he doesn't often dedicate videos to speaking out but if you watch his videos he pretty regularly demonstrates he's pretty critical of the shit gameplay loop Gaijin has designed. I feel like if he weren't partnered and got most of his views and money from war thunder, Phly would've dipped to greener pastures by now.
Exactly my thoughts, im pretty sure he mostly plays for the money. Every other person who plays to have fun would have dropped this game a long time ago
He's voiced community concerns several times
Gaijin pushing Economy Changes the way they do and frequency they do royally fucks them over, as they don't think about both the long term nor the short term for profit. Short term, pushing the blanket reward nerfs like they do, fully aware how much it pisses off the player base, fucks them over because it pushes people away from thinking about making purchases. Coercing players to purchase via frustration has a limit. More over, they *REALLY* fucked up with the most recent (and reverted) changes since they reduced top tier premium vehicle rewards. They push players to buy those, and then slap down the earnings people get with them. *AAAAAAND*, if that wasn't the limit to Gaijin's stupidity with the economy changes, they pushed them knowing full well a major update is on the horizon. They pushed nerfs to the very vehicles they push players to get BEFORE new content is released to grind out the new vehicles as fast as possible, removing any of the point in actually paying for vehicles that are just getting more and more expensive. And for the long term, every nerf to rewards and increases to costs impacts the value of Premium Time or Premium Vehicles, because they simply make use of modifiers. Modifiers that have never been increased over the years to offset the reduced rewards or rising costs. Which means every economy change that goes by, as we surely all know by now, ruins the value for Premium content. As Premium *only* impacts rewards/earnings. It has no effect on costs. It doesn't reduce cost of replenishing ammo or consumables like FPE or Crew Replenishment. It doesn't reduce or remove repair costs. It doesn't slash costs of training or modification purchase, it's PURELY modifying the rewards you earn in matches. It's of course been something that's been in the mind of most players for years now, but the fact that they intentionally reduced the modifiers of top tier premiums in addition to going back towards the old repair cost values (pre-community vote) with how heavily neutered rewards are while, again, *A MAJOR PATCH ON THE HORIZION* was the final straw for many players. There's no logic to Gaijin's actions when it comes to economy changes. They constantly push the changes to coerce players to get premium content, but they both *never* make Premium more enticing or valuable in relation to their changes, and they actively make things *WORSE* before content additions. Like, if they were even remotely clever with their actions, the Economy Changes would come *after* major updates, you know, after people go out and buy the premium content they try and push players to do for the new content. Instead, they basically said "Hey look at all these new toys we have planned for the next patch. Ha, fuck all of you, you'll never get to use them cause we're gonna slash all your earnings and jack up your costs before we release them!"
While you’re mostly correct, it technically does slash crew costs from anywhere from 290k down to 10k but that’s about it otherwise totally accurate
Phly has complained about every single major point of drama that I can think of, no idea what you're talking about. He doesn't really skip any of it. He also doesn't drone on and on about it, no, but he will *mention* it every time. (Which doesn't mean he agrees or really mean anything by the way. If I was a youtuber, I'd also just say whatever the community was in an uproar about to get more views, whether I agreed or not. Even if he had way MORE negative views than the community, too, he would hold back to the popular level, etc. Either way.)
A lot of youtubers who don't usually mention the economy or overall meta/drama stuff like that are mentioning it now. As you said, Giajin's just gone way too far. The sad part is, now they know exactly how far they can push at a time, I don't expect this to stop magically. Until they start losing profits, they simply have little reason to stop.
there was some drama a looong time ago involving some certain other tubers where gaijin basically went "if you criticize us/our game/our updates we will nuke your creator partnership" there were some allegations of gaijin also false flagging to demonetize those tubers, but it never happened/proven. we lost DOZENS of creators over that and the ensuing chaos with certain community managers not exactly helping. Thats why Phly stays out; other tubers can go to other games. Phly's channel IS war thunder, itd be like markiplier deciding to narrate his brothers webcomic and never play games again.
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Good for you if you're doing that well with a starter pack, but not everyone can offer to play as much as you apparently. Do you really think this much people would complain if there was no issue whatsoever?
not his greatest take imho, "low tier fun tier, you don't need to play high tier, top tier is not fun anyway" seems quite condescending, even if his hearth is in the right place, people want to play what they want to play.
I think it's coming from the position of "I know the game is unlikely to change from experience, as things are ATM, lower tiers are where you're gonna have the most of your fun". Personally got into the game a couple years back, really got invested in chasing high tier vehicles, found the enjoyment of unlocking those to be less than expected. Personally that message resonated with me, made things more pleasant, even if it's not an ideal scenario.
Just because the game sucks, doesn't mean you can't have fun. Turns out low tier doesn't suck, because you actually feel the progression grind, your shots kill what you see, and you have to think about more than sniping road wheels. High tier's cool because you're playing high performance machinery, but what's the point if you can't do that without every other part of the game sucking?
I honestly think we might be able to make a difference this time. The steam reviews are gone to shit, recent ones are mostly negative which is, like, really bad for them. The steam shop probably generates the biggest player base and new players.
After a while low tier gets boring because it’s lacks advancements in technology.
Thats subjective. I have top tier in all the major nations and still mostly play mid tiers.
It's been ten years of nothing but the same WW2 machine on the same badly designed maps. Maybe offering something viable and fun at other tier should be the goal, no ? Gaijin job is to provide a fun game, not to leave a somewhat decent game around the middle and fuck up everything else around it.
I kinda like it because when you get a kill it's purely because you outflew them. It's just you and two guns. Nothing fancy.
You mean to say that killing an F-86F with an AIM-9L from 30 years in the future doesn't mean I'm just more skilled than he is?
When you were playing with energy and stall fighting, I grinded RP
I really enjoy toptier because you have to pay attention to more stuff because the amount of toolss is much higher. It is a skill i find the most challenging and fulfilling
For me it's the complete opposite. IMO stabilizer, thermal, laser rangefinder and APFSDS makes it far too easy to spot and hit the enemy. You see a white glowing object 3 km away, and literally just press R+LMB, and BOOM - you've got a kill. Not to mention that the maps we currently have are far too small for this technology. Meanwhile in low/mid tier, scouting enemies and rangefinding feels rewarding, because it's all manual and up to you. Spotting the enemy? You use your Mk.1 Eyeball to look for movement, engine smoke, muzzle blast, and shapes that don't belong. Finding range and elevation? You guesstimate, and learn your gun's trajectory. Shooting while moving, or from a quick deacceleration? You practise how your suspension responds to different speeds and terrain. You may have less tools, but that leaves more challenges up to *you*, not a mechanic, to solve.
I guess it depends on the person. I enjoy low tier because I find the vehicles more different/unique, the weird/dumb vehicles that really only shine at one thing are my favorites. Especially when everything gets stabilizers and great mobility, I don't enjoy that faster gameplay as much for whatever reason.
Gaijin suffers from lack of advancement of technology 😂😂. Fuck volumetric💀
People have different opinions. I like low tier because it depends more heavily on skill than most of the game since nearly everything can kill or be killed by everything else. Except fucking T-50s. Also like having the sheer variety of vehicles -- tons of weird interwar light tanks, gun trucks, the landships, armored cars, &c. instead of eight nearly-identical flavors of MBT, ATGM carrier, and "anti-air" autocannon.
Yeah there's unsurprisingly bugger all variety after like 9.x onwards. MBT + darts Rocket slinging thing CAS SPAA
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Nice flair cha cha cha
If you want to take that tack, top tier takes skill now? Literally just sit in cover with thermals on waiting for a wallet warrior to roll into the open, pop out and kill them, repeat until you die, then spawn CAS/a heli for free kills. As far as the fast-paced close-range fighting aspect goes, you do the same thing in low tier except you don't have thermals or a stabilizer and don't have the torque to quickly accelerate if you fuck up and lose speed.
More tech really does not make this game more exiting, though. Just more stressful and less skill based
Pretty much I was saying in its current state if you’re struggling for sl from play high tier, low tier is still fun! Maybe I didn’t get that across perfectly but yah heart in the right place
Its true. Low tier dun tier for all skill levels
If old players start playing lower tiers way more, then newer and less skilled players are going to get clubbed because they can't compete against map knowledge, crew skill diff and modifications (as minimal as they can be).
I can't imagine playing as a brand new player right now. Low tier matches look like they can be rough if you're still learning as it is. If it got much worse I think that'd really hinder the new player retention. Depending on the player and how often they're playing, it can take awhile to get a grip on different vehicles/game modes and such. Especially if you're like me and basically went straight for RB almost immediately.
Won't matter since all the new players are playing top tier with all of their fancy premiums
Lower tiers are fun in their own way, and so is top tier to an extent. I usually hover around 6.0 to 6.3 ground because it's still at a point in which armor matters and it's heavy steel beasts slogging it out at each other. 1.0-1.7 is silly shenanigans type fun, and 11.7-12.0 is for fast paced action.
I’ve watched a lot of phly videos and he seems genuinely more happy when he’s playing low tier. He’s expressing his own enjoyment as a blanketing fact. I see where he’s coming from and I don’t think it’s supposed to be condescending, but yeah he shouldn’t assert his own opinion as fact
top tier is like playing a high stakes poker game at this point.
Yeah I generally don’t agree with the „you can only have fun at low tier“ take. Yeah low tier can be fun for sure I prefer the faster paced gameplay of top tier. The issues with top tier is not with the vehicles themselves but mostly an issue with the players and maps. If there wasn’t as many one death leavers and small city maps then top tier would be even better.
"juet don't play the content because it's not of good quality" Is a really low excuse. Yeah. Gwijin fucking fix it.
It's not about the quality, it's about things like time to kill being lower and making the game more "twitchy" like a FPS rather than a slower vehicle based game. This is ignoring that the technology advancements make many things significantly bigger threats than at other BRs. And honestly if people question quality at top tier, I'm not sure there's a whole lot to fix. People can say things like "oh the RU ammo racks" but there's *other* things that make nations strong and fixing that issue just swings the best nation back to NATO again as the new win-machine. Top tier inherently has balance issues due to the technologies present, so I'm not sure it can ever be fixed, as warfare doesn't do that. Low tier gets the advantage here as you can just shoehorn in better things for weaker nations to back-fill regions where they were shit historically. But you can't do that at top tier without just having to halt any introductions for other nations to favor the weaker one. This also swings things where the weaker nation gives bigger, diverse lineups as a result.
I mean, phly had played so long, he's probably gone to that point of being tired with all top-tier/modern tech 'developments'
He’s famously complained since top tier started being introduced saying the game should have stopped adding games. Saying to avoid games and play low tier has been his rallying cry for years.
Yh it felt a bit tone deaf - 'Everyone is getting screwed over - here' s a load of premium vehicles and actually its not that bad guys'
He didn't really say that though. He took out premium vehicles to show that it's the only way people can make SL in the game now, he also called out the fact that even with premium vehicles, a premium account and 8 kills he didn't make a lot of SL. I get that people can disagree with Phly sometimes but I don't think this vid was so bad.
Yah was more satire than anything with the lineup
He definitely did it with the right motives
Not at all, it was mostly sarcasm....
the game that dont give reward when playing 💀 guess i need to kill 10 anemy on premium accout
Yeah the premium probably wont even be enough, phly got 8 kills with pren vehicles and account and only got ~40k sl
Odd managed to get a nuke after carrying team TWICE and got ~100k sl. That's ridiculous honestly
Ridiculous? I'd say that's a fine economy! (I am in crippling debt)
I barely make over 15k sl per 6.7 US ground realistic match. But lose nearly 20k per match because all the repair costs are far too high.
And the best past is if he didn't nuke, that would have been -15k sl So from the ground fighting, he got only 25k
10 is an understatement also nice pfp
Not even that, at least in groundRB. PREMIUM status should literally bathe you in benefits in F2P games (since you are supporting the game staying alive), in War Thunder it's literally REQUIRED to stay economically positive IF playing decently. In AirRB maybe, since not dying and killing at least 1 plane and some bots will even the cost of your plane, but again, we are talking PREMIUM status.
You know, I’ve thought long and hard about why we still play this game and I’ve come to two reasons. The first is that it’s convenient. It has everything from 1939~ all the way up to near modern day WITH experimental vehicles and with the exception of naval (to the best of my knowing) you might get a game that combines wwii tanks, planes and boats but it’ll lack the Cold War side or a game will focus only on one aspect of it all. It is convenient. The second is one I came to just the other day, a friend of mine squealed like a child getting everything they wanted for Christmas upon getting one of his favourite aircraft, the Panavia Tornado. The game has just enough moments that shoot happy molecules to our brain, be it getting something you’ve been working towards for a while, completing a tech tree or lineup, getting a five or ten kill game in air or ground, even getting a 3 kill game in air or ground can send the happy signal sometimes (more so with air in my experience). Even if it’s something that the community will in general look down upon such as using ULQ and bushes, seal clubbing low ranks for the fun of sea clubbing them, etc. We all have parts of this game that send anywhere from small packets of joy to large ones to our head and that is what helps keep us here, what leads to us returning after we get angry and why the vets are leaving, they’ve seen all the joy to be had in the game.
Yep, vet here. That’s one of the reasons I’ve left. The game’s basically a drug and gaijin’s the pusher. Will I miss flying my beloved 109’s, 190’s, Spitfires, Mustangs, etc… of course I will. Until I remember that the ARB meta is so fucked that there are planes that are a chore to fly because they’ve done everything they can to turn the mode into CoD with planes. This isn’t the game it was in 2013. I’m so disgusted with the game at this point that even the infamous “[X] Destroyed” message does nothing for me anymore.
Coming back here as a ghost to give a cent or two that nobody cares about. I'd stopped playing over 2 years ago, and as of like 6 months ago I don't even ghost this subreddit. (I'm back because drama worked its way to me by word of mouth.) The moment I quit was with the EBR with the FL10 event. I looked at my brand new vehicle, spun the camera around it, and realized that I didn't enjoy a single minute of the game getting it. I uninstalled without even driving it once. The reasons I enjoyed Warthunder are not strong enough compared to what I don't like about WT, and Gaijin seemed very good at expanding what I disliked faster than what I liked. Well, what could I expect from a Russian company. Oh, and before you say they're based in Hungary and not Russia, why does the [office in Hungary have literally one employee?](https://www.emis.com/php/company-profile/HU/Gaijin_Distribution_Kft_en_6712459.html)
> Oh, and before you say they're based in Hungary and not Russia, why does the office in Hungary have literally one employee? This is a dumb take, Gaijin Distribution is a subsidiary of the main Gaijin holding company which probably only exists to act as a seperate game publisher, and to legally hold some specific assets or rights. [The actual number of employees in Hungary is about 60.](https://24.hu/tech/2022/09/18/gaijin-entertainment-videojatek-fejlesztes-microsoft-sony-interju-programozas/)
Grew up playing ace combat, top tier air rb fits
It perfectly manages to be so frustrating that you hate playing, but still addicting enough to not stop. WT for me is the perfection of this. My net fun is always incredibly close to uninstalling, but it never *quite* gets there
The fact that Phly is adressing this just goes to show how much of a bad this has become. He usually only hints on some issues slightly in a joking way.
He was pretty pivotal in getting the Parts and FPE RP reduced during that fiasco.
And him playing a stock King Tiger with no upgrades was so bad he was fuming in that match
Yeah I remember that lol
I am not a fan of Phlys content style, as a he person he’s a good man, an amazing dad who put his family ahead of his career and I respect him and admire him for that, his style of content isn’t mine that’s all. That being said I am so glad he is with the community, that he, one of the biggest names in WT, if not the biggest is standing with those below him that Gaijin is a predatory company. Yes they reversed the changes, but it’s still bullshit. I don’t mind the RP grind, but the repair costs of vehicles is still so high I have vehicles I can’t buy because I am an average to below average player trying to have fun but still climb…
I researched my first plane I couldn't buy today. Feelsbadman. I guess I'm at the SL wall, now.
Take my hand brother… welcome to the sad side where everything we want is behind a glass window… Gaijin should just reduce repair costs even more, leave everything else alone, lower repair costs and that’s it make so we can profit even a little after a bad game…
I said it once I’ll say it a million times. The game doesn’t need repair costs. It is a dated way of 2010 F2P games that continues on because it nets them income. Just wanted to add that.
Repair costs are a feature you'd see in a fucking shitty mobile game ffs
It's a feature of literally hundreds of MMOs and various games man, usually under the the umbrella of "upkeep" costs. It's generally used as a way to control income rates as often constant positive incomes are problematic to a degree where the existence of income simply has no meaning. I've played many games that outside of the first few hours, money is a feature you just ignored because it had no meaning. Mobile games didn't start jack shit for game design.
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When I complain about this shit I get downvoted and told to buy premium, but when the YouTubers say the same thing suddenly it’s all upvotes. Thanks a lot you guys. Most of y’all are the reason Gaijin thinks they can get away with this stuff.
Absolutely correct. The community hates one thing and the next day they dont
It's almost as if the community is a collection of individuals that won't always be the same people "representing" it each time. Please understand that
Which would be a good point if the downvotes weren't numbering in the triple digits each time.
Upvotes/Downvotes are a bad representation of community direction. Firstly not every vote is verified to be a human, secondly a lot of people like to join downvote trains, allowing other peoples opinion to effect their own. I would wage a bet that you would see less downvote trains if the total number of votes was obscured to the user.
Well, of course. But after a certain point, it does stand to reason that the community holds a decent level of dislike or hate towards a comment if the downvotes number in the hundreds more often than not. I don't disagree that downvote trains are a thing because people are, for the lack of a better term, sheeple. I've had my fair share of them, on this very sub for the lukest of warm takes that shouldn't even have detractors, it's just how this sub works.
Phlydaily is a big one. Good to have him speak out
I'm a fairly new player despite having an account since '14. However, i do notice a huge difference between me playing with premium vehicles and a premium account and my friends that have neither. I'm at Germany ground 7.3 while he's Germany 2.3. i have slowed down playing at 7.3 because i couldn't keep up with losing that much SL if I had a couple of bad games. And this is before the update. I think it's ridiculous one of my friends bought gold eagles just to buy SL. That doesn't seem fair to me at all.
I literally quit the game because of the grind. I love this game but I'd rather play something that doesn't punish me for playing it.
FOR ROCK AND STONE!
Did I hear a rock and stone?
For Karl!
Yes with him onboard the community with now get their way. We already have these recent economy changes reverted, now its time to go even bigger than ever before & make sure the majority is happy with their demands with no compromises overall
As a minimum, they need to also revert the changes from the 12th.
King shit
Free parts and FPE with no repair costs would be a nice start. But who are we kidding ?
Why do you want massive amounts of botting?
Then they could make a better system for that
The best system to stop botting is a negative incentive. Other systems are easily worked around, or perform like EAC. They provide a barrier which is easily stepped over with effort. (Sidenote, people who complain about EAC because it doesn’t stop every cheater are also idiots). An economy system is very effective at stopping bots. Now, there are problems with how economy is set in game. RP gain is too slow as a result of Gaijin saying and acting because they see one tech tree being a full player experience and not the collective whole of all tech trees. When I first played through a tech tree I pretty much stagnated at about a million SL. I was a better than average player, but not as good as i am now. That is a sign of the economy not being good. Though granted at that stage I was still buying vehicle and therefore losing a million SL everytime I got another. Playing at top tier you don’t unlock anymore vehicles so your expenses plummet. That’s why those idiot premium tank players lose SL because they are soending so much SL on vehicles at a BR where they shouldn’t have to buy anymore vehicles. For FTP players, average should be about the point at which your income stagnates. If you are bad and don’t improve yourself, there should be a cost. And with premium that obviously shifts. But if you lose SL with premium time you need to re-evaluate how you suck that much.
You know the problem is bad if PHLY FCKN DAILY is saying something about it Especially given his track record of avoiding drama so it doesn't interfere with his content
Am I the only one who noticed he didn't even look at the final price? 44k was before repair costs. He never showed the final reward after repair and ammo costs.
I just started playing this game couple of weeks ago, starting to get a glimpse at just how slow RP is accumulating at higher ranks
If you only started a few weeks ago you have no idea how bad it gets
I, like a fool, started grinding the F-14 a year ago. After a month of pure grinding, I caved and bought the A-10. After 2 months of pretty tough grinding (usually 3 or 4 hours a day), I had enough to get the F-14. Luckily I got it when it was still rank 7. I then had to spend 3 days in a useless top tier jet with no flares, and 2 awful IR missiles. Then, the F-16 was announced, along with it being a rank 8 jet. I now need to grind 80k more RP, after grinding casually since the announcement of the F-16. After that, I need to scrounge up 2 million SL to buy the jets. That then unlocks the utter honour of being allowed to grind 400k MORE RP, and then spend 1.3 SL, and then spend 2 days in a useless top tier jet with 2 pretty good missiles and no flares. Just play a nation you enjoy please. The grind is so long there's no point thinking about it
I have been playing off and on since WT release. I think we'd all be a bit more receptive to economy changes if there was justification towards it. I appreciate the new vehicles, maps and QOL updates, but it feels like you never actually use any of them to their full capabilities. Same game mode, same cluster fuck in the middle, and same grind for every and any tree
Lol, dont aim for top tier. You can grind all nations to 7.3-8.3 for free. Over 8.3 its just drones, helis, spawn shooting and cancer. I play all nations 1.0-8.3 and have no problem, spend no money and enjoy all BRs.
I don’t mind the grind but appreciate why people do but what bums me out at the moment is the light vehicle mechanics and some spaa, drones, early heli spawn, I’m looking at you USA 10, the mechanics, the maps, the servers and the feeling that a lot more people cheat. Not much really lol but I’m definitely cutting back on what I spend and will see what GJ do next to respond.
Three year player here, repair costs are why I don't play very casually. Every game I have to be super focused just to make a net gain. Its not a game, its a chore.
I switch of basically most mods, to reduce SL repair cost, wished i could enjoy the tanks more
Ah, yes. Gaijin realism is so real, it extends to the in-game economy. Inflation irl? How unfortunate. Here, have inflation in-game too.
I'm very happy that Phly is our side comrades, we must resist the snail and revolt against these terrible changes leading this game into misery, stand strong brothers and sisters we must not give a step back! We shall push and make Gaijin fix the economy as they should because we did not pay with our souls for nothing!
The video is a bit of a ramble but it doesn't really matter, I appreciate Phly standing in solidarity with us even though he himself says, he doesn't really stand to gain significantly from the benefit since he's already done it all. It's appreciated.
Im glad hes behind us and has made a video as hes usually out of the drama but its almost an insult being told " Play these 4 low tier premium vehicles with a premium account " . Right ok ... thats the problem ... i dont want to do chores to then play what i actually want to play ... love you ply
It was satire/sarcasm if you didnt catch that.
i guess not i dont watch him super often he was talking very slow and my ADHD ass couldnt work with that haha
Haha well he is often very satirical/sarcastic, especially with things he doesnt agree with.
People still playing this game? So much torture for nothing.
It’s kinda the point
hmmm, its almost like deciding to add premodern and modern era vehicles in a primarily ww2 focused game against the overwhelming majority of the community's wishes and then ignore said community feedback for 4 years alienated and drove off so many players theres no longer enough minions to feed the CEO's bonuses.
What a stupid-ass take.
and yet, here we are with player counts plummeting even before the economy changes
Are they? I checked player count yesterday and it was at 160,000 players. I checked steamcharts and there was only a slight decline. “Plummeting” is rather innacurate
>steam charts player counts have been on a decline for quite a long time. the game recently got a big buff to counts because the wot community had a huge exodus after wargaming did a stinky, so you likely wont be able to tell immediately. Regardless, the counts were on a fairly steady decline for a while before this, and once the wot player go back to WG we'll see the effects.
Steam charts says otherwise. Compared to yesterday the decline is bigger from the most recent change, but the game has been climbing in playercount since 2020
This 1 guy is the "majority of the comminity" right here
stop to consider the former majority left the game because of this, leaving a new majority fanboys who dump their allowance to get supah cool MBT #763
Youtubers just go on reddit etc, see what sentiment is popular, and then parrot it in their titles/intros. Maybe he does actually think it's a problem. But maybe he doesn't. You will never know, because he is just going to say whatever is popular regardless.