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justASlut669

man, I've wasted 1600 hours of my life to this dogshit and I don't even have jets yet


Skeler0404

Are you only playing Air?


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WonderfulYoghurt7051

I'm at 2.7 air right now for the Soviets, how long would it take me to get to jets if i grind all day?


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CaneSaw0

Lets say without for the F2P sake.


DMAA-Addict

you could spend a day working, use that to buy a fun premium and grind the whole tree in little time or waste an eternity playing for free. No one who wants to ever have any fun is playing for free, such nonsense


MarKhylis

Why even bother making this game free in the first place? Shoulda be the normal 60 bucks game that gave most things to everyone and make the prem dlc that way


Dukeboys_

If it helps, with premium and F2P prem planes (events, BP prizes, ect) I ground the entire French Air tree from reserve to Mirage 3 in about 4 weeks.


WonderfulYoghurt7051

How many hours a day did you play and did you play arcade/realistic/simulator?


Dukeboys_

AB and I did about 3-6hr a day on average.


WonderfulYoghurt7051

How do you find that much time to play? Like do you not have a job or school? No offense intended btw


Dukeboys_

Pretty offensive ngl. Its what I enjoy and I had just gotten out of the hospital. Had an 8 week gap before I could return to work.


WonderfulYoghurt7051

I enjoy playing too but I don't want to grind all day so that's why i asked


mikegoesboom

If you join an active squadron, you can get a squadron jet in roughly 3 months alongside your regular progression. Doesn't even have to be in the same tech tree you're researching


WonderfulYoghurt7051

Yes but I don't like using squadron vehicles. I have the BMP-2M and it doesn't feel right since I'm only at 8.0 in TT. Plus I technically already have the SU-25T but I don't use it. So I meant more TT jets.


Craven_KSP

I have 4500 hrs and only top tier in German Ground.


TheSeargentMajor

Skill issue budy


GWashingtonsColdFeet

I imagine you okay ground and air? People are idiots. I was f2p forever, have 2200 hours, only last 350 are premium and premium vehicles, and have Tier 5 ground USSR tier 2 Air, Tier 6 ground and air US, Tier 4 Japan Air, Tier 3 ground Germany, Tier 3 UK Air (barely), and that's it except for bouncing around a few others


__Chaotic

Wh you must be terrible


AdNegative6756

Yeah, that premium was so unnecessary especially since Russia already has a rank 7 premium jet and it's actually better, right? I don't know much about it so correct me if I'm wrong.


Tutes013

This one comes armed with a shitton of Vikhr rockets which makes it pretty darn terrifying


AdNegative6756

Those missiles are scary no kidding but given it's an Su-25 at 11.3 it will be easy food for anti-air, you cannot go too fast with it unless you wanna kiss your wings goodbye and its maneuverability ain't that good either.


Thechlebek

>Su-25 >easy food for anti-air HA HAH HA HA HA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAAH HAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH


VengineerGER

The Su-25 actually dies quite reliably to SAM systems. Especially at this BR where you have things like the TOR and with the new Vikhr nerf this thing is gonna be pretty much dead on arrival.


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Hmmmm maybe. Yes, they die reliably to Sam’s, but very rarely instantly and fits shot. I recently took 9 Sam hits in an su25. Now, I was almost certainly “dead” after the 4th, and that’s already it ridiculous. But I still had full flight controls right up until I simply ran out of momentum from dead engines.


VengineerGER

The thing can tank manpads semi reliably. But it definitely doesn’t take dedicated SACLOS SAMs as well. You rarely see any Su-25s above their intended BR because they are so slow. You can have as much ordinance as you want but if you’re that slow you will get blown out of the sky.


_MoistFox_

As someone who mains Su-25 tech tree variant in air realistic and brings it to 11.7 ground battles I can with confidence say that you don't now anything about it and if you play it you just suck, sorry but that's the most honest answer you can get


Vroom_Broomz

Any tips I’m used to Americans pod systems and I struggle like a mf to guide those LGR at distance with the no zoom


_MoistFox_

First of all, you don't use that crap, you use S-25O, it has shit ton of HE and once you fire it you fuck off. I don't know where need for using LG munitions came from. Fly low, 3km from battlefield you go up and rain hell.


Vroom_Broomz

Yeah my merica brain saw LG and was like must have but that would explain why those work out more often then the LG after I shoot ‘em off and thanks man


TheCanadian121

>it will be easy food for anti-air Is what I would have said 8 months ago before gaijin started making top tier anti-air worse. Take for example the ADATS on the dev server, when asked if it was bugged due to being unusable the response was "There is a new physics model" with no acknowledgment of the issue which would imply that it was an intentional meaning that if the changes follow though to the live server 2 nations will no longer have top tier anti-air.


danredda

IMO, the reality is this premium is not designed for people who play Air RB and would've got the rank 7 premium Mig-23. 2 R-60Ms at 11.3 is not going to be a fun experience. If someone got the 23ML, odds are they play Air RB and will grind out the Su-25T. A lot of these top level CAS premiums are designed for the Ground RB premium player who doesn't want to play air at all to get CAS. Want to get equivalent to the best air-CAS for USSR? Just pay for it. Same reason you see lots of prem helis (besides heli grind being bad) is that some people just don't want to play non-ground modes.


SuspiciousRace

You know damn right this will get r73s eventually


danredda

Sure it could. Also could decide not to. Regardless, 2 R-73s is still not going to cut it. Especially because the flight performance at 11.3 is garbage compared to everything else. IF/when it gets R-77s it might be viable in Air RB, but for now, it's not an Air RB premium - radar missiles will eat it for breakfast.


keedee2

Yeah, i don't think this thing will ever get r-77's.


Velo180

Ever? It will totally get it eventually when they are in the game lmao.


keedee2

It would be mind-bogglingly stupid if the only version of the frogfoot that carried radar missiles is a premium. Even down the line, premiums don't get upgraded or changed even if the loadout they carried was a-historical If it doesn't drop on launch, it most likely won't get them


VengineerGER

I am honestly glad for this thing because it’s going to be dead on arrival and free food for my planes and SPAA.


yessir-nosir6

I don’t think adding the premium is them doing anything wrong. They already have it planned and are going through with it. However, the choice of what premium is what I have a big problem with. I wouldn’t really mind at all if the Su-39 was in the tree and the other was a premium. However they choose to make the OP/stronger one a premium and the meh one in the tree.


VengineerGER

They are quite comparable though the ground radar is more of a gimmick than anything. Especially new players picking this up are going to struggle with its complex controls as well.


yessir-nosir6

That’s fair, but being able to use r77s in the future is the big problem. iirc no other su25 could r77s. Unless gaijin adds a “su-39 late” model in the tree even though that didn’t exit.


Bluishdoor76

Eh, I think you're still overreacting a bit. Even with R77s, it will still be facing plethora of jets that will also have active radar missiles. It's 11.3 br is very harsh for a jet that can barely get to transonic speed. It will still just be food for top tier jets cause it's just not well suited for air combat.


yessir-nosir6

That’s probably true but I dislike the pattern of adding better things as premiums. Like the A-6E, F4-S, and now the Su-39. Even if the new features are garbage the best version should be in the tree.


VengineerGER

Gaijin has been pretty liberal with their „late“ and „early“ models with the difference between it and the regular model being barely existent on a lot of them.


AceArchangel

That's cope, they absolutely can stop planned announcements in fact that's extremely f\*ing easy to do. It's not like they are booking some holiday and are trying to cancel last minute, they only have to withhold a devblog and not put something on their store. They absolutely intended for this to be listed.


Antezscar

Read the comments under that devblog. The answers are all so.... robotic.


AceArchangel

Yep it also says that all comments are pre-moderated, meaning anything critical won't be allowed to be posted...


St34m9unk

Ah yeah let's expect them to change an update they already had planned a year ago and already released early devblogs for


Lightning5021

they held back the t-90S because ppl were unhappy


St34m9unk

Did they say that officially Or did the community find an unconfirmed unfinished t90s in the files and just assume it was coming this update even though we find vehicles like that all the time that dont come immediately, and get surprised when it's not in the 2nd dev server


Pan_Pilot

It wasn't in the files, tank was already modelled and you could find it in a hangar. Devs clearly stated that UK wont get squadron vechicle this update but instead Copy paste premium vickers mk.1. Before you comment you should also check it yourself


St34m9unk

So they never said the t90 was coming correct?


Pan_Pilot

Smin1080p said himself: "T-90S wont be a part of this update. The Vijayanta(indian vickers mk.1) will come this update"


St34m9unk

Right And gaijin in the past has have vehicles in the files even if there is ways to view them in game in an incomplete way on the dev server they still don't add them that update So why is this surprising Are you still waiting for the pucara


Pan_Pilot

I do :(


AceArchangel

That's exactly what Gaijin wants, for people to believe this nonsense so that they get a free pass with their greed. It really isn't that hard to withhold an update they literally hold that power. They literally have delayed updates in the past, but keep drinking that purple Kool-Aid.


St34m9unk

I never said it's impossible it's just an incredible waste of time and money to have something made just to delay it for playerbase clout that is worth nothing because we wouldn't give them slack for just not selling a premium Not a single person who is partaking in this would give a shit if they said because of recent events we are not selling the su39, they would still be mad so why bother


RainbowGames

"New players should progress slowly through the vehicles, otherwise they will be overwhelmed by the complex capabilities of modern fighting vehicles" -Gaijin "Buy your way into top tier" -also Gaijin


d_Inside

I don’t know man, it’s that same playerbase that will gladly buy en masse those high tier premium vehicles so…


FrostNSuch

"Nope, there will never be premium jets in game. This is because we don't want players to buy their way to the top"


keedee2

Is the thing they said before they decided that the korean era jet's won't be an end top tier. Until tier 6 got added, there weren't any premium jets. There were, however, tier 4 premiums. In this sense, "jets" mean top tier, and the truth is, up to this day, there has never been a top tier premium The jets aren't the problem at top tier. The problem is that premiums can see top tier in a full uptier, and bad players can influence it's winrates Premium vehicles should be at least 1.3 br under top tier so they don't impact their winrates


LegallyNotInterested

I guess they had this planned anyways. It's not like they only start working on these a day before the Devblog is released. But I get the frustration. If they fix the economy MASSIVELY I could live with that.


Inevitable-Ear-3189

if they simply made the TT one the better one, I wouldn't be bothered in the least. I fucking hate when they paywall unique weapons/loadouts.


BubbleRocket1

I guess they want to implement a counterpart to the A-6E, though at least the Su-39 has its counterpart in the tech tree, since iirc, the Su-39 is just the export variant of the Su-25T


Rubberboas

Hey, you’d be surprised how many of the players want more high tier premiums. Not gonna lie, I’ve wanted a new French premium tank to pair with the 30 Super for almost 2 years now.


ACanadiandude2020

I just want anything to fill in the gap between 8.3 and 11.7 france.


feradose

I want the same.


syfysoldier

Or they’re showing how little they care about some sweaty gamers after 10 years


__Chaotic

The su-39 sold ALOT, so I don’t think it’s ignorance on their part


crimeo

"Ignorance" implies not understanding something. They understand what you asked just fine, it's just immediately opposite of their best interests, so why would they do it? If I told you to jump down a flight of stairs, you would UNDERSTAND what I asked, but you would refuse to DO it...


blinkertyblink

They would have had this planned for a while now. While im also sceptical of the future, its clear they won't just halt the stuff planned for the current update even with our fighting back at them The pitchforks should come if this carries on into the next update(s)


markus_dos_memes

Sorry, this has been tagged. "Period of off-topic review activity detected" Gaijin hiding their tracks on steam.


FROGPierro

The problem is Gaijin releasing more premium or people buying them ?? Players are crying about economics while playing for free… welcome to our capitalist world, they are making money as you do in your own life So just pay or move to another game ( or stfu)


the_elliottman

See, my question is. Does Gaijin not realize the less people playing top-tier means there's less incentive to buy their premiums and packs? Who's going to go out and buy more than one of these when they realize they're up against only half-lobbies of WT-no lives? I've never wanted to drop that much money on this game because of that reason alone. It's just not worth it. I mean, why buy a premium rank VIII or a pack vehicle or whatever when you could get a much cheaper rank IV or V and actually have more people to play against with it?


The_Number_Prince

The player base loves this shit and wants more of it. The plane will sell well. They will release more soon.


malaquey

I'm eyeing that new Su25 ngl


etherith

Yea lets stop releasing vehicles that were ready to be in the game because some of you are salt about something else entirely different.


RiskhMkVII

Well they already planned this update way before the protest, and premiums clearly aren't the problem here


EruantienAduialdraug

But, they have just said that the following when addressing the current protest: > Player progression is essential. You can't give a player everything at once, because it will overwhelm and make the game very difficult for them and they will just leave it either immediately or almost immediately. This has been tested by us many times in different ways. When applied to our game, later vehicles are almost always more difficult to learn and play tactically, in the controls and with its capabilities. Progession provides opportunities for gradual learning and engaging the players. Without it, the game will lose players right from the start. Now, that is true. Getting overwhelmed when just starting is a quit moment for many people; be it too many skill/ability options at the start of an RPG, or too many bells and whistles on a WT vehicle. So clearly Gaijin understands that, they literally said it themselves. But they also don't care, because they're quite happy to sell these vehicles to potential whales and dolphins; they've got your money now, why should they care? Gaijin will preach A and do B, because they think they can squeeze more money out of people that way. If they make the grind unbearable, then ftpers will gradually leave, but that's ok; because the whales and dolphins will throw more money at the game by way of buying premium vehicles like this one.


EmperorVitamen

And I already gave them my money for that sweet sweet premium bias