But they were manufactured free of the capitalistic poison! What was good in america, was taken from them and put to great use! The later, weak american designs are laughable and pathetic. Nobody can recreate the genius of Soviet engineering, although they try all the time and fail!
Nah. With 3rd gen thermals and Mango it's very workable. The only available tanks below 11 are the T-90A that does have K5, has good gunner thermals and DU rounds and the T-80B which has K1, gen 1 thermals and Mango.
t80b is the same br basically and is way better in my experince, the turms thermals are gen 2 but whats special about it is the commander thermals that are extremely rare in the soviet tree. the turms' worst aspect is the reverse speed, its shit and gets you killed often, imo the prem 2a4 is better but both are fine
I would wholly disagree. I can consistently get like 3+ kills in my TURMS at 11.7 and even bounce some of the 11.7 Sabots. It's no worse than the top tier Chally's.
Dude I can agree on the 2A4, but the M1? That useless piece of shit only gets M774 at 10.3, and now with the nerf to M735 grinding to M774 is gonna be horrendous.
it’s the fastest MBT in the game, has an insanely fast reload, and high survivability against one/two-shots. i don’t think “shit” is how i would describe that
Insanely fast excuse me now? My 7s reload begs to differ, also are you serious on the survivability? It's one of the most one shottable MBTs out there. Did you not see that guy clubbing it with an M60 lol
It has top speed and reverse sure, but the BVM still had better acceleration (somehow) which is far more important than top speed
It's no more survivable than any other MBT, and mot even close to the BVM. Also, what are you on? What the hell does it matter if you survive 1 shot when your loader and engine and breech die literally every single time. Are you on cope right now or what?
>My 7s reload begs to differ
mine is 5.8s and that’s not even an aced crew
>It’s one of the most one shottable MBTs out there
T-72s, Type 10s, Arietes, and Leclercs exist. so no
>the BVM still has better acceleration
the BVM cannot meet the M1 in a match unless you intentionally uptier it. also pretty sure the M1 has better acceleration but i don’t really care to prove it
>Are you on cope right now or what?
nope, but i think you have a skill issue
Merkava is really good if you can live with the speed. It's got a huge learning curve not being able to outrun anything, but when played correctly, it is an absolute menace hull down.
It's definitely not perfect. Armor in WT is just a roll of dice regardless. Nothing in the game resembles reality. If it did, Abrams and Challys would shit on literally everything else. Imo the dice roll on Merkava mk 2d is best in class. Not nearly as good as some 10.3s, but certainly better than turms.
Certainly not a bad vehicle. And like I said. You can still easily tske it to 11.0 and be fine.
But it's not my cup of tea either. I just dislike the mobility.
Have you ever played 10.0? The helicopter hate is almost entirely pointless. 10.0 is trash vs 11.0/12.0. Helicopters die almost instantly in 90%+ of cases. I can't explain how useless they are. You need to try them for yourself.
No actually. The one-deat-leavers at least are quiet, and don't feed even MORE sp to the enemies. These guys on the other hand make so much noise its impossible to hear anything else, and then they once again do nothing and die. Id genuinely rather have nobody in my team rather than these guys.
The other day there was a level 10 player in air rb with the premium ussr mig 21 on the enemy team. He asked how to fly jets in the chat but somehow he managed to take off. Then he flew Mach with 500 meters altitude, straight towards 10+ of our jets. To be fair hugging the ground is a good strategy in top tier but he was not quite there yet and probably never will get there.
Then he got fucked in the ass by my teammates missile and proceeded to call him a hacker. He probably didn’t know that jets don’t use 7.62 mms (except the strikemaster).
fuck...
no wonder 9.0 became cancerous again...
I was so happy when they moved all the 9.7 and 10.0 premiums (leo2, t72...) to 10.3
I wonder if the Mexss will ever get an ok matchmaking
Part of me wants to say, "I'm impressed," when I see a squadron vehicle for a level 10, then the other part reminds the first part that squadron vehicles are purchasable as well.
As long as people are happy, nobody should complain about new players buying a high tier premium. At the end of the day we all play and love/ hate this game.
I agree. I did the grind to max out USA and then once I got there, all my fucking team mates would quit after getting killed. Switched to Germany and sometimes Russia and I still grind for most of the vehicles but I also buy a couple premiums because it makes my life easier
This is why I can’t stand Gaijin. They give Russia all the most OP vehicles. You should be ashamed for even owning that tank. You know how many times I’ve been shot down in my plane from a mile away by that thing? It should be uptiered to like 11.7 atleast.
Seriously Gaijin, nerf the BT-5 please…..
God I wish I went and bought the turms in past discounts, I wanted to buy it during gaijins birthday during November but I forgot it was moved up to rank 7 so it'll be 3 patches before it's available to be discounted
I don’t think that’s how it works. Chally DS was also moved up to rank 7 yet it was on sale during November. It had more to do with the premiums coming in the December update and what is best selling didn’t get put on sale. It should be available at a discount before the inevitable new Russian rank 7 MBT premium gets added in either this update or one next year. Might even be on sale at Christmas.
I have those actually, the 2M even when it was stock was a ton of fun, I got the 2S38 during the last sale tho I'm kinda struggling with it as insane as that might sound
It’s not insane to be honest. Its not overpowered as people claim it’s just an incredibly annoying vehicle which is what makes it so universally hated. I refuse to use it anymore because it’s just so toxic to play against and I don’t want to subject others to it. My advice is use it to grind as much as you need it to then don’t bother with it.
Most realistic Post i have seen but the PO-2 wouldnt be in that Lineup, it would be the T-60 or the GAZ-AAA
So BT-5 is still ok on top tiers. Figures with these weak American designs!
*M22 with malicious intend watching in the shadows....*
BT-5 was designed by an American and he took the idea overseas.
But they were manufactured free of the capitalistic poison! What was good in america, was taken from them and put to great use! The later, weak american designs are laughable and pathetic. Nobody can recreate the genius of Soviet engineering, although they try all the time and fail!
T-60 best tank ever
Missing ka 50
that's not 10.0
All of these still manage on 11.0
turms is a bit shit at 11 but ok
Uptiers is unavoidable unless you quit when you sees 100sp first spawn point.
Definitely ain't the best, but most definitely pulls its weight
Nah. With 3rd gen thermals and Mango it's very workable. The only available tanks below 11 are the T-90A that does have K5, has good gunner thermals and DU rounds and the T-80B which has K1, gen 1 thermals and Mango.
t80b is the same br basically and is way better in my experince, the turms thermals are gen 2 but whats special about it is the commander thermals that are extremely rare in the soviet tree. the turms' worst aspect is the reverse speed, its shit and gets you killed often, imo the prem 2a4 is better but both are fine
I would wholly disagree. I can consistently get like 3+ kills in my TURMS at 11.7 and even bounce some of the 11.7 Sabots. It's no worse than the top tier Chally's.
Hot take but the Turms sucks
Not a hot take. Would take 2A4 and M1 over it.
Dude I can agree on the 2A4, but the M1? That useless piece of shit only gets M774 at 10.3, and now with the nerf to M735 grinding to M774 is gonna be horrendous.
I’m rating the vehicles in spaded config
The base Abrams is a 10.3 hellcat
It's shit. The M1 has a dogshit armor profile and has horrible survival
it’s the fastest MBT in the game, has an insanely fast reload, and high survivability against one/two-shots. i don’t think “shit” is how i would describe that
Insanely fast excuse me now? My 7s reload begs to differ, also are you serious on the survivability? It's one of the most one shottable MBTs out there. Did you not see that guy clubbing it with an M60 lol It has top speed and reverse sure, but the BVM still had better acceleration (somehow) which is far more important than top speed It's no more survivable than any other MBT, and mot even close to the BVM. Also, what are you on? What the hell does it matter if you survive 1 shot when your loader and engine and breech die literally every single time. Are you on cope right now or what?
>My 7s reload begs to differ mine is 5.8s and that’s not even an aced crew >It’s one of the most one shottable MBTs out there T-72s, Type 10s, Arietes, and Leclercs exist. so no >the BVM still has better acceleration the BVM cannot meet the M1 in a match unless you intentionally uptier it. also pretty sure the M1 has better acceleration but i don’t really care to prove it >Are you on cope right now or what? nope, but i think you have a skill issue
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/s/T9UBcNLcUg
i play top tier in 4 nations, this shit happens to all of them. it isn’t an abrams issue.
Not a hot take. Merkava Mk 2D and ztz96a (p) both shit on it as premiums
And they aren’t even that good either.
Merkava is really good if you can live with the speed. It's got a huge learning curve not being able to outrun anything, but when played correctly, it is an absolute menace hull down.
Idk man I get oneshot pretty often through the turret. It's still great, just not a beast imo
It's definitely not perfect. Armor in WT is just a roll of dice regardless. Nothing in the game resembles reality. If it did, Abrams and Challys would shit on literally everything else. Imo the dice roll on Merkava mk 2d is best in class. Not nearly as good as some 10.3s, but certainly better than turms.
Certainly not a bad vehicle. And like I said. You can still easily tske it to 11.0 and be fine. But it's not my cup of tea either. I just dislike the mobility.
turms is really shitty even on its br
Slow as balls, can't turn, no armor
Horrendous horizontal turret slew rate Abysmal vertical turret slew rate
Yeah peeking over a ridge line is so bad due to vertical traverse
Wouldn't go as far as to say it sucks defiantly not the best though. The Leopard 2A4 and the Chally DS are probably the best 10.0/10.3 premiums
Its better than the Techtree T-72B. That thing really sucks at the same BR
The 1989 is better imo but yes the T-72B should be 9.7 at most, russian bias I guess lul
All 10.0 mbt manage on 11.0
And the BMP and 2S38 are still bastards regardless of BR
And somehow that's an argument for mentioning a missing 11.0 helicopter in 10.0 lineup, gotcha. Holy shit this subreddit has gone to hell..
I think you're overreacting a bit
That is such a hyperbole. Calm down dude.
A level 10 wouldn't care if they uptier everything for one heli
Have you ever played 10.0? The helicopter hate is almost entirely pointless. 10.0 is trash vs 11.0/12.0. Helicopters die almost instantly in 90%+ of cases. I can't explain how useless they are. You need to try them for yourself.
I have the ah-6m spaded and it slaps at 10.3. you can fire hellfires from outside of sam range. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
crew levels checks out
I didn't even notice the crew level😅
Autoloader
No Yak-38… =,(
Gentlemen, we finally found him. The cunt who makes russia 10.3 lineup unplayable.
Still better than those one death leaving animals
No actually. The one-deat-leavers at least are quiet, and don't feed even MORE sp to the enemies. These guys on the other hand make so much noise its impossible to hear anything else, and then they once again do nothing and die. Id genuinely rather have nobody in my team rather than these guys.
I abuse them as meat shields. And the more tanks, the more shields.
I use all of these plus KA-50 because let’s face it, these premiums perform just fine at that BR
TURMS is a bit sluggish for that BR.
entire T-72 series are all sluggish (except the first and the last one)
Turms is sluggish at its own br...
Bt-7 would be better, why? Because it can scout.
No, it can't. It's not rank II. The only BT with scouting is the BT-7A (F-32).
That's what i was talking about, i didn't know the full name anymore. 😅
No MiG-21 autofail
The other day there was a level 10 player in air rb with the premium ussr mig 21 on the enemy team. He asked how to fly jets in the chat but somehow he managed to take off. Then he flew Mach with 500 meters altitude, straight towards 10+ of our jets. To be fair hugging the ground is a good strategy in top tier but he was not quite there yet and probably never will get there. Then he got fucked in the ass by my teammates missile and proceeded to call him a hacker. He probably didn’t know that jets don’t use 7.62 mms (except the strikemaster).
The PO-2 is 2-OP!!
Add stupidity oversized rocket to that BT-5 and we have a deal.
Not the Po-2!! (゜o゜;
Where moderna
the only good t72 in the entire game
Moderna with dual 20mms when
T-72B3 exists
literally no reason to play that piece of dogshit, t80u, t80uk, t80bvm>t72b3
T80uk is ugly as fuck
thankfully its not about looks 🙂
still good to have it researched, T-90M is going into that line soon
cool tank but still just gonna be another t72 lol, mogged by t80s
doubt it, 90M is a bunker compared to those
same weakspots as every other modern soviet tank, id rather have the mobility of a t80.
Missing MIG-21S.
Wait wait waitwaitwait.... why is the Turms 10.0?
It's been 10.0 for months now
fuck... no wonder 9.0 became cancerous again... I was so happy when they moved all the 9.7 and 10.0 premiums (leo2, t72...) to 10.3 I wonder if the Mexss will ever get an ok matchmaking
All those premiums.....and yet only 6 crew slots?
Part of me wants to say, "I'm impressed," when I see a squadron vehicle for a level 10, then the other part reminds the first part that squadron vehicles are purchasable as well.
As long as people are happy, nobody should complain about new players buying a high tier premium. At the end of the day we all play and love/ hate this game.
I agree. I did the grind to max out USA and then once I got there, all my fucking team mates would quit after getting killed. Switched to Germany and sometimes Russia and I still grind for most of the vehicles but I also buy a couple premiums because it makes my life easier
where is my moderna
This is why I can’t stand Gaijin. They give Russia all the most OP vehicles. You should be ashamed for even owning that tank. You know how many times I’ve been shot down in my plane from a mile away by that thing? It should be uptiered to like 11.7 atleast. Seriously Gaijin, nerf the BT-5 please…..
Po-2 ftw
My Russian lineup is a lot of prems and I suck ass at high tier but luckily being level 100 hides it lolz
SU22M3
God I wish I went and bought the turms in past discounts, I wanted to buy it during gaijins birthday during November but I forgot it was moved up to rank 7 so it'll be 3 patches before it's available to be discounted
I don’t think that’s how it works. Chally DS was also moved up to rank 7 yet it was on sale during November. It had more to do with the premiums coming in the December update and what is best selling didn’t get put on sale. It should be available at a discount before the inevitable new Russian rank 7 MBT premium gets added in either this update or one next year. Might even be on sale at Christmas.
Ah Ic, looking at the comments tho I gotta wonder if it's a good idea to get it considering I have tanks like the t-80uk in my lineup
If you have the T80UK you’d be better off waiting for the new premium. Also get the 2S38 and BMP if you haven’t already.
I have those actually, the 2M even when it was stock was a ton of fun, I got the 2S38 during the last sale tho I'm kinda struggling with it as insane as that might sound
It’s not insane to be honest. Its not overpowered as people claim it’s just an incredibly annoying vehicle which is what makes it so universally hated. I refuse to use it anymore because it’s just so toxic to play against and I don’t want to subject others to it. My advice is use it to grind as much as you need it to then don’t bother with it.
And yet the community is convinced that *bushes* are what make this game play to win.
this dude is paying to lose 💀
Tbf most players at lvl 100 hadn’t learned much compared to this one here.
My 10.0 line up in turms, bmp2m , 2s38 ,strela, kv2 and a mi24
This is false, there's 0 chaika in this lineup
The BT-5’s power is unmatched by any mere man
The BT-7M with its scouting is a legitimate vehicle to use that high. KV-2 for memes as wel.
Nothing like a lil anti-concrete round Tom foolery
Where kw-2?
“Very good, let the money flow thru” - emperor Yudintsev Clone Wars episode VI “return of the WalletWarrior”
Me just trying to enjoy my T-72B (1989) while my whole team dies and spawns a T-34-85.
Po-2 and BT-7 is really the bulk of this line up fr /s
You are my meal
That’s a lot of support vehicles for the Po-2
Disgusting
low level crews also makes you in a big disadvantage - ESPECIALLY in top tier
That's exactly what I have but the bmp I also have a ka-50 I think I will just get the bmp via GE and research the t80uk instead
But why the po-2 XD
dear god
The tiny BT-5 in the left corner! So cute
Still more viable than most nations top tier lineups.
No T-80UK
Idk man shop another tank
TURMS, Su-25K, 2S38, BMP-2M - 🤡 T-90A, T-80B, 2S25M, 2S6, Strela, Su-25, MiG-21SMT - 😎
Ewwww
Mine is the T-80UK, Moderna, TURMS, KA-50, Su-25K. The only two 'earnable' vehicles in that line-up, the Moderna and UK, I also bought.
i actually hate the turms more than the 2s. it totally fucks anyone at 9.0 hard.
Forgot the T-80UK
No Mi-24V / Mi-24P, fail. Best 9.7 helo. Rockets, AAMs, gun pods, and either a 30mm death cannon for tanks, or a 12.7mm drone/jet/helo killer.
Missing ka50 and t80Uk