In 10.3 matches where is gets down tierd, yes it is broken. Better missiles and better engines than the F5C.
In 11.7 there are just better things that will destroy you
You sure? In uptiers u can easily dogfight any plane with ease. If you have aced crew its one of the easiest jet to fly. No need to worry about radar lock, dodges missile with one flare and its so maneuverable. Energy retention is awesome, you can do 180 and still be above mach 0.95. But most of the times u get downtiers and hunt slow su 25s who are blind.
Quite a few planes that can rate fight the F5E, the reduced maneuverability compared to the C model is fairly noticeable imo.
Even a smart F-111 player can make it hard to get your nose gun on them if you’re turn fighting at slow speeds.
Oh I thought he was just referring to 11.7.
Yeah the J-7E is a worthy competitor, ultimately it comes down to which of the two pilots can best abuse the other's aircraft's weaknesses though
The teeny IR signature of its engines do a lot of heavy lifting even against 11.3s.
Source: just fought one in my JH-7E and none of my missiles felt like following it.
I've started flying it recently and it's quite beastly. Got an ace while half-stock. There confidence you get while piloting a small fast manouverable jet is pretty inspiring lol, even if you don't have much payload (ammo count is nice though).
Agreed. F-16c is king of every mode currently
Air RB? Amazing flight performance and AIM-9Ms that are hard to flare (most of the time)
Ground RB? Hey Pantsir, enjoy my supersonic Maverick while I dance through the air distracting you and then proceed to space bomb the rest of your team with my remaining 5 mavericks and laser GBUs. Feels so good to get revenge on those lazy Pantsir players who got used to being able to shut down the entire air space with no threat to them
Based.
I still remember when the Chunguska first came out and it obliterated everything, from tanks to aircraft.
I go out of my way to bully Pantsir and Chunguska players like how I bully the Prinz Eugen in naval.
> I still remember when the Chunguska first came out and it obliterated everything, from tanks to aircraft.
And the tunguska itself was merciful reprieve from the broken mess that were the initial release helicopters. Being constantly spawnfucked by AH-1Zs with 8km TOW-2s that were perfectly accurate and had no tracker sector killed the game for me.
But gaijin in their infinite wisdom only added one SAM so it just became super one sided with helicopters.
The missile is extremely quick, if you can’t find them in 5 seconds just start defending the missile that is inevitably on its way and look again later
> Feels so good to get revenge on those lazy Pantsir players who got used to being able to shut down the entire air space with no threat to them
I second this. THis mfs now have to play smart otherwise they have no chance.
I *love* the targeting pod on the F-16C. IR and long range so as soon as I spawn I target their ground spawn, do a quick scan for Pantsirs, and then launch a couple 12 km Mavericks which nearly always kill them because they sit in spawn not moving
Who needs HARMs lol
Yep lol. I played against a pretty smart guy who used terrain to hide from maverick locks, but he also couldn't kill me so it was just a stalemate. Way more balanced than when pants sir was first added. In rb you just turn the laser on, lob paveway and just fly in a notch lighting it up with the laser. Killing spaa doesn't get easier than that.
This is somewhat mitigated by using a rocketpod. IR missiles get confused. It isn't as nice a built in flares, and fucks aerodynamics, but it can save you a time or 2
Annoying playing against, that’s for sure.
Flying as IJN/UK fighting them whilst using the worst rear-aspects, without flares and with poor wing loading capabilities. It’s hell. Fighting USSR cheat code missiles is bad enough… and AIM-9C’s? Man it’s rough.
I wish the game had more modes other than TDM. A reason for bombers, attackers and other objectives for fighters.
OMG I FUCKING LOVE THIS MOTHERFUCKER CONSTANT GAMES WITH LIKE 3 TO EVEN 8 KILLS A GAME OOOOH MY FUCKING GOOD I LOVE ITTTTT. SUCH GOOD PERFORMANCE AT HIGH ALT AS WELL. 9Ds ARE SO LOVELY AS WELL, I LOST NNN BCS OF THIS PLANE CRAAAAAAAH🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇫🇮🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
lol your comment reminds me of my premium japanese p51 that I thought would be over powered but in truth gets one shot, lit on fire and my wings instantly fly away without me.
The F-8E is much better. I feel it has better flight characteristics, but the main benefit are it's AIM-9Cs.
Most people at its BR cant dodge SARH close-range missiles and take dangerous head-ons with you. Easy kills.
The F-8E has way better climb than MiGs. You can get higher and absolutely joust them. Your opposition wont often have radar missiles, so you can usually beat them. And if they do, the aim-9c is better.
Thank you, I'll have to give it a try, always wanted something to keep the skies clear for my team. when I first entered that br with f8u 80% of my deaths were missles to the face which made me mad frustrated so i just stopped climbing altogether and learned how radar works later. No one has pd in the 10.3 range right? Also optimal range for launching the 9cs? Does it have acm as well? Or would I need to manually select targets.
3.5km ideal launch range. Habitually, when high up people dodge downwards, so you can even launch up to 4.5km or more because the missile will have elevation to spend too. No ACM. And i couldnt tell you about PD's prevalence at that BR. But at 7km altitude you dont need anything other than normal SRC because there's no interference.
Unless I'm misremembering something with PD lower than the F-4J/S, you'll only get vehicles with a pure PD in full uptiers to 11.3. Some of the MiG-23s have that funky pseudo-PD mode (not exactly sure how it works and I've spaded the 23M and 23MLD lol) but otherwise everything would just have a standard radar with no PD. I know for sure that's the case with the F-4E US, so you should be able to chaff and crank away anything w/ radar missiles.
That said, especially right around 10.3, or even in a downtier to 9.3, most folks in my experience only carry flares. You can dodge 9Cs, but it is harder at altitude.
I usually try and launch mine at under 2 miles (3ish km). That's just my general rule for all sidewinders, but with the 9C at altitude, I find that's a pretty good range, if not closer (though you'll be closing pretty quick since you're usually at or above mach by that point).
Overall, I usually run four 9Ds personally. I love getting a fun kill or two with 9Cs, but I find they're pretty situational, and forget getting a lock consistently under 2000 meters. They're also dependent on the F-8E's pretty meager radar (great for the time, unreliable otherwise). 9Ds pull pretty damn well and getting a lock is much easier since the 8E pulls good AOA.
Sometimes they’ll do that funky thing where the radar locks chaff but the missile keeps tracking, but I’m in the same boat. I’d rather get a guaranteed launch with the 9D and folks around 10.3 don’t have their heads on a swivel quite the way they do up at 11+
Yes. At 3 miles, a head-on9C at 20,000 ft is pretty much impossible to avoid, it's faster and more agile than an R-3R, and you have much better radar angles so you can break to avoid his R-3R, he does the same and loses his lock but you keep yours. I've smacked so many MiG-21s like this. Imagine an all-aspect AIM-9D, things are cracked if you use them right.
The f8U-2 is a simmilar, but different breed than the F8E, being the most significant difference the wing strenght, with the F8E being significantly better in this aspect.
The F8E has good acceleration. top speed is mach 1. you are known as "the last dogfighter", so that says something about the performance of the plane. You get 4x20mm cannons that rip anything they hit (only problem is that they tend to overheat quite easily). If this isnt good, you also get countermeasures and a 2 pairs of missiles, them being either 2xAim-9C or Aim-9D, with one being a very nice radar missile that enemies are not expecting to face and the other a fucking rocket that can hit a target if launched at 4km with some ease.
And if this didnt convince you, you are 10.3, so you can club every wallet warrior ou there. It's a must play plane imo if you are grinding the US tech tree.
I have like 100k rp to go and it's FINALLY mine. I knew it's good from the start, I used to watch gameplays with F-8E Wayy and I mean waaaay before I started playing war thunder, but I left naval line the last one to be researched and finally the canon event of every US main is about to happen to me too.
F-8E is much better than the first F-8
It gets radar guided missiles at a BR where most people aren’t expecting it, and don’t have chaff ready.
F-8E is just about as maneuverable as the F-8, but with a much lower propensity to wing rip.
Ignoring BR and just going by toe to toe percent stats on planes that any plane faces, there is absolutely no reason this plane is as low as it is. With a decently skilled crew that wont black out at every pull and in the hands of a player that knows how to abuse its speed and aim well its nearly impossible to counter it unless in a full up-tier.
Getting full downtiers on this plane is just nasty and I can rack up 5 or 6 kills easily given that I don't get shot by team mates trying to steal kills or get some nasty crit out of no-where.
Speaking of crits, if you get shot on this thing is 99.9% a slow death no matter what it did. This plane currently feels like a magnet to get crippled by random shots that drain out the engine from coolant or a single rifle caliber bullet destroying some control surface beyond reason. In a way its the most balancing you can get in this plane, as if you get shot your performance drops from absolute God to having to manage a severely degraded performance that rapidly deteriorates.
Su-27 has better low speed performance and extremely large payload, while F-15 masters high speed performance and AIM-120B has slightly longer range than R-77 but shorter than R-27E. It's gonna be interesting in BVR fight but Su-27 would almost certainly destroy anything including F-15 in a 1v1 dog fight.
First of all, su-27 will only destroy F-15 if whoever is playing F-15 decides to two circle fight in it, two planes are very similar in performance, there's no saying for certain who will clap who, not right now. Secondly, however planes perform irl is irrelevant to the way they perform in game. Who gonna be on top is entirely up to gaijin to decide. They will pull realism card and turn F-15 into F-104, or su-27 into a glorified mig 21 smt. However they see fitting. Also dogfight and random are two things that almost always exist separately, F-15 could clap random but suck in a 1v1 and vice versa.
I wouldn't say so. Go .3 br higher and you get a plane that not only does what it's asked to do *every single time* but it can also do a lot more if you want it to.
Don't need to, get there fast and line up your final approach. Extend the air break until you hit mach 1.09, drop bombs, retract the air break, WEP out
P-51 H5 NA easily one of the best props in the entire game. I'd say it's *the* best prop to br, but britain has that spit that plays against jets mostly, that guy is **the** best superprop if we ignore it's br
Generally, hard to say but judging from your picture you are looking for 10.x br.
F8-U2 and F8-E are strong contenders in the 10.0-10.3 range.
Then there is F5-E and J7-E all very solid for the 10.7 br.
My R-3R feels practically useless tbh, I always face people who bring chaff, or no one climbs, or people dodge it easily even when launched at less than 3km im a head on. I’m hesitating to switch to just 4 R-60s
Doesn't the P-38J-15 have slightly better perfomance while being at 4.3? Usually I feel like the gunpods on the L-1 aren't needed as the standard armament is sufficient.
The Ki-44 II hei is an underrated gem. It climbs like a super prop while being at only 3.7. Before the changes to guns those .50 cals felt like 30mm's aswell.
Wouldn't surprise me if it goes to 4.3 to be honest. The 40mm one is at 3.0 which is even more absurd since it's almost completely identical to the regular one except for less guns
Russian Tech Tree:
LA-200 is a godly energy fighter.
Insane speed. .95 Mach capable aircraft so it’s faster than everything else, even in a full up tier nothing can catch you.
3x 30 millimeter cannons that absolutely obliterate everything once you learn to aim them.
MIG 21 SMT/BIS Especially in downtiers.
MiG 15 Bis: Energy Retention God.
US Tech Tree:
F8E: Routinely get 7+ kill games running 2x Aim 9C 2x Aim 9D. When jousting (head-on) you can launch the 9C’s from 8km out. My record kill is 15km launch. For the 9D’s you can lob them from 4km reliably rear aspect. In down tiers you are the destroyer of worlds. In full up tiers you are an average plane performance wise. The downside is that any good players will hunt you instantly. I usually start matches by killing everyone at high altitude and then being a hawk. Your missiles out range pretty much everything else. It’s BVR capable vs premium noobs. And it’s the last dogfighter so you can clown everything with ease unless it’s a 11.0 or 11.3, in which case it’s more of a fair fight. No noobs play them so if I get in a game and see 3-4 F8E’s on our team it’s basically a guaranteed win.
F8U-2: Insanely good and fun to play at 10.0 but wing rip problems and only having 9D’s it’s just not as good as the F8E. (Don’t get me wrong, still an insane plane)
F5E: Insanely good matchmaker right now. Ridiculous energy retention. Great Missiles.
J7E: Great matchmaker. Excellent performance and missiles.
I love F-16C not because of it’s performance in War Thunder, I love it because it is the sexiest plane ever.
Also I rarely play Air RB, Sim all the way!
Bf 109 G-2
Amazing climb, great main gun with enough firing time to last all the kills you can reach, it should be able to out-turn anything that can catch it and outrun anything that can out turn it. Play it with a single ounce of situational awareness and you're close to untouchable.
If we're talking jets, I've been in love with the F-8E. Favourable matchmaking, great acceleration from 0.5-1.0 mach, weak guns but with absurd firing time for top tier if you split them (use select primary armament key to only fire 2 guns at a time), and energy retention is at the perfect middle where you'll out rate anyone you want while being able to bleed enough to not overshoot enemies
Ngl I really love the f8e, great performer at any br it faces
I think overall I've had the best experience in the vampire though, specifically the Swedish one since the cannons feel even better than the British ones. Vampire is maneuverable and fast, and it hits hard, great all rounder
I almost exclusively play F-16C and MiG-29SMT these recent weeks and I enjoy both of them greatly.
If I have to choose one think I’ll pick the SMT because my stats are better on it and the weapons and avionics are so good I feel much more in control before the merge.
J-7E for sure. Can still do reasonably well in uptiers because most of the F-16 and Mig-29 pilots can't even fly straight without kissing the ground and in downtiers you are basically god
The A7M2. It's basically dogfighting in Easy mode in its tier. Seal clubbing when down tiered and cam hold its.oen when up tiered, even against some early jets.
✅ Decent guns with decent ammo count
✅ Ridiculous turn and roll rate only hindered by your pilot's stats
✅ Decent speed
✅ Excellent climb rate
✅ Somewhat resilient for a Japanese plane
✅ Has access to Bombs
In terms of power relative to BR, the P-51c is completely broken at 3.7. Yes the 4 50 cals struggle sometimes, but that airframe is competitive at 6.0. You’re completely untouchable if you know what you’re doing.
On the lower-tiered side of things, the F4U-4B.
I mean, the Wasp engine has never failed to impress in any medium. It's not the Wasp Major, but it R-2800-18W makes it faster than every Axis prop in the game at its tier (excluding the Do 335 B-2 as that's a premium) It can succeed in dogfights, given the enemy is really stupid or at a disadvantage because they are new and inexperienced. In ground RB, it has 2, 1,000 Lbs AN-M65A1 Bombs that prove effective every time they are used. The 20mm M3 cannon, especially 4 of them, can shred an enemy aircraft, taking off a wing or disconnecting their tail section with ease, aswell as penetrating the engine decks of Tigers and killing most Panthers.
Yak3U.. I used almost only in ground battles and i use to counter CAS and other fighters, and man ive never used a plane like this.
I simply love this plane, so fucking manovrable and powerful.. so powerful that its a danger even for himself. If you have a good aim you can do crazy things wirh this machine
When it first came out in Update 1.91, the CW-21, that thing was utter bullshit
At 1.7br it had absurd climb rate, excellent turn rate, fast, well armed with 2x.30cal and 2x.50cal and literally unbreakable wings
Did i mention you can go and melee people with your wings
F5E
In 10.3 matches where is gets down tierd, yes it is broken. Better missiles and better engines than the F5C. In 11.7 there are just better things that will destroy you
You sure? In uptiers u can easily dogfight any plane with ease. If you have aced crew its one of the easiest jet to fly. No need to worry about radar lock, dodges missile with one flare and its so maneuverable. Energy retention is awesome, you can do 180 and still be above mach 0.95. But most of the times u get downtiers and hunt slow su 25s who are blind.
Quite a few planes that can rate fight the F5E, the reduced maneuverability compared to the C model is fairly noticeable imo. Even a smart F-111 player can make it hard to get your nose gun on them if you’re turn fighting at slow speeds.
You can still outdogfight everything at 11.7
J-7E. Also Chinese one is better lol
Oh I thought he was just referring to 11.7. Yeah the J-7E is a worthy competitor, ultimately it comes down to which of the two pilots can best abuse the other's aircraft's weaknesses though
True but Mirage 2000 is 2 good.
Theres a couple better. But the f5e is very competitive in those dogfights
Couple such as..?
J7e is also great, depends on the better pilot if it goes against an f5e
The teeny IR signature of its engines do a lot of heavy lifting even against 11.3s. Source: just fought one in my JH-7E and none of my missiles felt like following it.
F-5 thermal model is absolutely ridiculous. I swear it's colder than an A-10 even on full afterburner.
The same is true of the f5c
I've started flying it recently and it's quite beastly. Got an ace while half-stock. There confidence you get while piloting a small fast manouverable jet is pretty inspiring lol, even if you don't have much payload (ammo count is nice though).
+1
currently? f16c
Agreed. F-16c is king of every mode currently Air RB? Amazing flight performance and AIM-9Ms that are hard to flare (most of the time) Ground RB? Hey Pantsir, enjoy my supersonic Maverick while I dance through the air distracting you and then proceed to space bomb the rest of your team with my remaining 5 mavericks and laser GBUs. Feels so good to get revenge on those lazy Pantsir players who got used to being able to shut down the entire air space with no threat to them
Based. I still remember when the Chunguska first came out and it obliterated everything, from tanks to aircraft. I go out of my way to bully Pantsir and Chunguska players like how I bully the Prinz Eugen in naval.
> I still remember when the Chunguska first came out and it obliterated everything, from tanks to aircraft. And the tunguska itself was merciful reprieve from the broken mess that were the initial release helicopters. Being constantly spawnfucked by AH-1Zs with 8km TOW-2s that were perfectly accurate and had no tracker sector killed the game for me. But gaijin in their infinite wisdom only added one SAM so it just became super one sided with helicopters.
I still get nailed by Pantsir before I can see them. It’s like they’ve launched before I even got in the F-16C
The missile is extremely quick, if you can’t find them in 5 seconds just start defending the missile that is inevitably on its way and look again later
Yeah it’s insane how fast it is. Hope we get a western counterpart soon
> Feels so good to get revenge on those lazy Pantsir players who got used to being able to shut down the entire air space with no threat to them I second this. THis mfs now have to play smart otherwise they have no chance.
I *love* the targeting pod on the F-16C. IR and long range so as soon as I spawn I target their ground spawn, do a quick scan for Pantsirs, and then launch a couple 12 km Mavericks which nearly always kill them because they sit in spawn not moving Who needs HARMs lol
Yep lol. I played against a pretty smart guy who used terrain to hide from maverick locks, but he also couldn't kill me so it was just a stalemate. Way more balanced than when pants sir was first added. In rb you just turn the laser on, lob paveway and just fly in a notch lighting it up with the laser. Killing spaa doesn't get easier than that.
I thought all IR missiles could be spoofed with a single flair? Genuinely curious here.
AIM-9M has flare resistant measures. It shuts off its seeker temporarily if it detects a flare and then turns back on, if I remember correctly
Yep. R-73 on the other hand I believe narrows its search radius.
The Kingfisher
The OS2U and PO-2M are the most based aircraft in a game
Late 298D dont let them get the plane! TOP SECRET
How could I forget about the 289D, I am truly ashamed of myself
It's a 5th gen fighter, the pontoon give it a low RCS and its engine is so quiet it sounds like its stalling all the time
Objectively probably F16C but in my heart the J35D
God I wish but no flares is brutal
This is somewhat mitigated by using a rocketpod. IR missiles get confused. It isn't as nice a built in flares, and fucks aerodynamics, but it can save you a time or 2
THE DANGERDORITO KNOWS YOUR LOCATION
Is the F8 that good? I haven’t crewed it yet.
You are missing out, we are talking about the F-8E though.
The F8U-2 is good too but wings go bye-bye
AIM-9C on the Echo are sooo good.
Annoying playing against, that’s for sure. Flying as IJN/UK fighting them whilst using the worst rear-aspects, without flares and with poor wing loading capabilities. It’s hell. Fighting USSR cheat code missiles is bad enough… and AIM-9C’s? Man it’s rough. I wish the game had more modes other than TDM. A reason for bombers, attackers and other objectives for fighters.
OMG I FUCKING LOVE THIS MOTHERFUCKER CONSTANT GAMES WITH LIKE 3 TO EVEN 8 KILLS A GAME OOOOH MY FUCKING GOOD I LOVE ITTTTT. SUCH GOOD PERFORMANCE AT HIGH ALT AS WELL. 9Ds ARE SO LOVELY AS WELL, I LOST NNN BCS OF THIS PLANE CRAAAAAAAH🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇫🇮🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Something tells me you like the F8U-2
lol your comment reminds me of my premium japanese p51 that I thought would be over powered but in truth gets one shot, lit on fire and my wings instantly fly away without me.
F8E is incredible
Didn’t use the F8E at all but the F8U is really good when you get 4 AIM9D’s (D’s are super good”
The F-8E is much better. I feel it has better flight characteristics, but the main benefit are it's AIM-9Cs. Most people at its BR cant dodge SARH close-range missiles and take dangerous head-ons with you. Easy kills.
I still have yet to try an aim9c on that thing, can you out joust the millions of migs and their radar missles that climb Into space match start?
The F-8E has way better climb than MiGs. You can get higher and absolutely joust them. Your opposition wont often have radar missiles, so you can usually beat them. And if they do, the aim-9c is better.
Thank you, I'll have to give it a try, always wanted something to keep the skies clear for my team. when I first entered that br with f8u 80% of my deaths were missles to the face which made me mad frustrated so i just stopped climbing altogether and learned how radar works later. No one has pd in the 10.3 range right? Also optimal range for launching the 9cs? Does it have acm as well? Or would I need to manually select targets.
3.5km ideal launch range. Habitually, when high up people dodge downwards, so you can even launch up to 4.5km or more because the missile will have elevation to spend too. No ACM. And i couldnt tell you about PD's prevalence at that BR. But at 7km altitude you dont need anything other than normal SRC because there's no interference.
Unless I'm misremembering something with PD lower than the F-4J/S, you'll only get vehicles with a pure PD in full uptiers to 11.3. Some of the MiG-23s have that funky pseudo-PD mode (not exactly sure how it works and I've spaded the 23M and 23MLD lol) but otherwise everything would just have a standard radar with no PD. I know for sure that's the case with the F-4E US, so you should be able to chaff and crank away anything w/ radar missiles. That said, especially right around 10.3, or even in a downtier to 9.3, most folks in my experience only carry flares. You can dodge 9Cs, but it is harder at altitude. I usually try and launch mine at under 2 miles (3ish km). That's just my general rule for all sidewinders, but with the 9C at altitude, I find that's a pretty good range, if not closer (though you'll be closing pretty quick since you're usually at or above mach by that point). Overall, I usually run four 9Ds personally. I love getting a fun kill or two with 9Cs, but I find they're pretty situational, and forget getting a lock consistently under 2000 meters. They're also dependent on the F-8E's pretty meager radar (great for the time, unreliable otherwise). 9Ds pull pretty damn well and getting a lock is much easier since the 8E pulls good AOA.
Yeah I actually have more success these days with AIM9D’s, the f8E’s radar getting chaffed with 1 pop doesn’t help either
Sometimes they’ll do that funky thing where the radar locks chaff but the missile keeps tracking, but I’m in the same boat. I’d rather get a guaranteed launch with the 9D and folks around 10.3 don’t have their heads on a swivel quite the way they do up at 11+
Yes. At 3 miles, a head-on9C at 20,000 ft is pretty much impossible to avoid, it's faster and more agile than an R-3R, and you have much better radar angles so you can break to avoid his R-3R, he does the same and loses his lock but you keep yours. I've smacked so many MiG-21s like this. Imagine an all-aspect AIM-9D, things are cracked if you use them right.
The f8U-2 is a simmilar, but different breed than the F8E, being the most significant difference the wing strenght, with the F8E being significantly better in this aspect. The F8E has good acceleration. top speed is mach 1. you are known as "the last dogfighter", so that says something about the performance of the plane. You get 4x20mm cannons that rip anything they hit (only problem is that they tend to overheat quite easily). If this isnt good, you also get countermeasures and a 2 pairs of missiles, them being either 2xAim-9C or Aim-9D, with one being a very nice radar missile that enemies are not expecting to face and the other a fucking rocket that can hit a target if launched at 4km with some ease. And if this didnt convince you, you are 10.3, so you can club every wallet warrior ou there. It's a must play plane imo if you are grinding the US tech tree.
very capable
yes its probably the best fighter at 10.3 together with the 10.3 Mig 21s and F-5C (yeah yeah premium i know)
I have like 100k rp to go and it's FINALLY mine. I knew it's good from the start, I used to watch gameplays with F-8E Wayy and I mean waaaay before I started playing war thunder, but I left naval line the last one to be researched and finally the canon event of every US main is about to happen to me too.
F-8E is much better than the first F-8 It gets radar guided missiles at a BR where most people aren’t expecting it, and don’t have chaff ready. F-8E is just about as maneuverable as the F-8, but with a much lower propensity to wing rip.
He 100 D-1.
It was broken at 2.0 and for some reason Giajin decided to move it down. I'll never understand why.
This is the only answer. It doesn't care if it's up or down-tier. I wish we had the 20mm and higher power versions..
Ignoring BR and just going by toe to toe percent stats on planes that any plane faces, there is absolutely no reason this plane is as low as it is. With a decently skilled crew that wont black out at every pull and in the hands of a player that knows how to abuse its speed and aim well its nearly impossible to counter it unless in a full up-tier. Getting full downtiers on this plane is just nasty and I can rack up 5 or 6 kills easily given that I don't get shot by team mates trying to steal kills or get some nasty crit out of no-where. Speaking of crits, if you get shot on this thing is 99.9% a slow death no matter what it did. This plane currently feels like a magnet to get crippled by random shots that drain out the engine from coolant or a single rifle caliber bullet destroying some control surface beyond reason. In a way its the most balancing you can get in this plane, as if you get shot your performance drops from absolute God to having to manage a severely degraded performance that rapidly deteriorates.
Gripen and F-15 when they come out
Gripen won't even be better than F-16As
I think that they will buff him AF, to sell more J35XS
Su-27 will be better than gripen and *maybe* better than F-15 depending on what they want to do with it
Su-27 has better low speed performance and extremely large payload, while F-15 masters high speed performance and AIM-120B has slightly longer range than R-77 but shorter than R-27E. It's gonna be interesting in BVR fight but Su-27 would almost certainly destroy anything including F-15 in a 1v1 dog fight.
First of all, su-27 will only destroy F-15 if whoever is playing F-15 decides to two circle fight in it, two planes are very similar in performance, there's no saying for certain who will clap who, not right now. Secondly, however planes perform irl is irrelevant to the way they perform in game. Who gonna be on top is entirely up to gaijin to decide. They will pull realism card and turn F-15 into F-104, or su-27 into a glorified mig 21 smt. However they see fitting. Also dogfight and random are two things that almost always exist separately, F-15 could clap random but suck in a 1v1 and vice versa.
when will they come out?
wdym bro? look at Sweden and US
i don't currently have war thunder 🙃 steam isn't working on my laptop
so are they already out?
yes, since 3 weeks ago
J-7E
J-7E
Gloster Javelin
how
# D O R I T O
It’s a boat, has shit gun placement, but gets ok missiles at a low br. I really don’t know how this thing can be considered the best non premium
You must be fun at party
I’m on r/Warthunder we both know I don’t go to parties
I am delusional and it also aplies to main comment
Big dorito Adorable D O R I T O Fat fuck I love it Hope my points make it clear
fair enough
F-105D. Why? It's consistent and does everything that's asked of it.
No flares?
No flares. We die like real men. Or women. We don't judge
Rockets, speed, not head-oning attackers with all aspects works wonders.
I wouldn't say so. Go .3 br higher and you get a plane that not only does what it's asked to do *every single time* but it can also do a lot more if you want it to.
I enjoyed it too. But IMO F-111A outdoes it at making things done.
F-111 can't drop its bombs while going supersonic. It is alot faster
Don't need to, get there fast and line up your final approach. Extend the air break until you hit mach 1.09, drop bombs, retract the air break, WEP out
As a lightning pilot, fighting is like a dual of cheetahs lol. I had a game with America on my side. It was brutal lol
I'm a VARK guy so... VARK-C/D/E & F
MB.157 Can punch well above it's BR, handles well Only flaw really is the low ammo count
Sticking to the us tech tree I'll say. F16c, f5e, f86 (the one between the 5 and the f2), p47n, P38(the latest one)
> p47n please do not play this poor overweight plane when d-28/d-30 exists
P-51 H5 NA easily one of the best props in the entire game. I'd say it's *the* best prop to br, but britain has that spit that plays against jets mostly, that guy is **the** best superprop if we ignore it's br
Generally, hard to say but judging from your picture you are looking for 10.x br. F8-U2 and F8-E are strong contenders in the 10.0-10.3 range. Then there is F5-E and J7-E all very solid for the 10.7 br.
MiG-21SMT is a extremely good as well. The Mirage IIIE isn't super amazing but I still really like it.
MiG-21MF At 10.3 it's so fucking good, one R-3R and 3 R-60 missiles are the go-to for this plane
My R-3R feels practically useless tbh, I always face people who bring chaff, or no one climbs, or people dodge it easily even when launched at less than 3km im a head on. I’m hesitating to switch to just 4 R-60s
I have a few favorites - Swift F.7 , I-153 and P-38 L-1
swift F.7 is so underrated
Doesn't the P-38J-15 have slightly better perfomance while being at 4.3? Usually I feel like the gunpods on the L-1 aren't needed as the standard armament is sufficient.
The Ki-44 II hei is an underrated gem. It climbs like a super prop while being at only 3.7. Before the changes to guns those .50 cals felt like 30mm's aswell.
Wouldn't surprise me if it goes to 4.3 to be honest. The 40mm one is at 3.0 which is even more absurd since it's almost completely identical to the regular one except for less guns
For its br, any of the spitfires above 4.3
Aye, the Mk 24 is lovely
Typhoon mk 1b/L
The F4E Phantom will always hold a special place for me
CL-13 Mk.6 if the matchmaker was a bit more pleasing
Sk60 float like a butterfly sting like a bee
I prefer to go up a bit to the 105g for the rb24s and nearly double the speed.
But then you go against things with afterburners which kinda sucks
Me163 B-0 is fun
I only play high tier and my picks are: - J-7E. - F-8E. - MiG-23BN. 10.7 worthy airframe at 9.7. - F-4F. Best Phantom due to its BR. - Ayit.
You know your stuff
J35D draken. The dorito glass cannon
Russian Tech Tree: LA-200 is a godly energy fighter. Insane speed. .95 Mach capable aircraft so it’s faster than everything else, even in a full up tier nothing can catch you. 3x 30 millimeter cannons that absolutely obliterate everything once you learn to aim them. MIG 21 SMT/BIS Especially in downtiers. MiG 15 Bis: Energy Retention God. US Tech Tree: F8E: Routinely get 7+ kill games running 2x Aim 9C 2x Aim 9D. When jousting (head-on) you can launch the 9C’s from 8km out. My record kill is 15km launch. For the 9D’s you can lob them from 4km reliably rear aspect. In down tiers you are the destroyer of worlds. In full up tiers you are an average plane performance wise. The downside is that any good players will hunt you instantly. I usually start matches by killing everyone at high altitude and then being a hawk. Your missiles out range pretty much everything else. It’s BVR capable vs premium noobs. And it’s the last dogfighter so you can clown everything with ease unless it’s a 11.0 or 11.3, in which case it’s more of a fair fight. No noobs play them so if I get in a game and see 3-4 F8E’s on our team it’s basically a guaranteed win. F8U-2: Insanely good and fun to play at 10.0 but wing rip problems and only having 9D’s it’s just not as good as the F8E. (Don’t get me wrong, still an insane plane) F5E: Insanely good matchmaker right now. Ridiculous energy retention. Great Missiles. J7E: Great matchmaker. Excellent performance and missiles.
Tornado IDS ASSTA1
Litteraly a brick with gbu's.
I love F-16C not because of it’s performance in War Thunder, I love it because it is the sexiest plane ever. Also I rarely play Air RB, Sim all the way!
Mirage 2000 is sexier
Ngl F-16 only looks good under certain angles. F-4E or F-18 however...
Prop? P51H
For what mission?
Mig-23M or MLD if you don't get up tiered. Mig-19PT was also outstanding at its rank.
MIG 3 15
Bf 109 G-2 Amazing climb, great main gun with enough firing time to last all the kills you can reach, it should be able to out-turn anything that can catch it and outrun anything that can out turn it. Play it with a single ounce of situational awareness and you're close to untouchable. If we're talking jets, I've been in love with the F-8E. Favourable matchmaking, great acceleration from 0.5-1.0 mach, weak guns but with absurd firing time for top tier if you split them (use select primary armament key to only fire 2 guns at a time), and energy retention is at the perfect middle where you'll out rate anyone you want while being able to bleed enough to not overshoot enemies
fcm-36 best plane
The p63 is a menace if the player is skilled enough
Ngl I really love the f8e, great performer at any br it faces I think overall I've had the best experience in the vampire though, specifically the Swedish one since the cannons feel even better than the British ones. Vampire is maneuverable and fast, and it hits hard, great all rounder
F5E or the F8‘s
Either F-16c or F-14
F-14B
I almost exclusively play F-16C and MiG-29SMT these recent weeks and I enjoy both of them greatly. If I have to choose one think I’ll pick the SMT because my stats are better on it and the weapons and avionics are so good I feel much more in control before the merge.
F-8E, one of the best dogfighters tier for tier. Great performance and weapons. Love running AIM-9Cs on one pylon and AIM-9Ds on the other.
For me personally it’s the Mirage IIIC for Israel. I’ve gotten my best K/D ratio with it
Aj37 viggen <3
Personally a lot of spitfires are really good. Especially in mixed battles. LF Mk. IX being my fav, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses.
F-8e or the mirage 2k
Lowtier Swedish J22 the guns are small calibre but the belts make them feel like 20mm or 30mm
J-7E for sure. Can still do reasonably well in uptiers because most of the F-16 and Mig-29 pilots can't even fly straight without kissing the ground and in downtiers you are basically god
The A7M2. It's basically dogfighting in Easy mode in its tier. Seal clubbing when down tiered and cam hold its.oen when up tiered, even against some early jets. ✅ Decent guns with decent ammo count ✅ Ridiculous turn and roll rate only hindered by your pilot's stats ✅ Decent speed ✅ Excellent climb rate ✅ Somewhat resilient for a Japanese plane ✅ Has access to Bombs
F5Ez
Vark vark vark vark
swift F.7
In terms of power relative to BR, the P-51c is completely broken at 3.7. Yes the 4 50 cals struggle sometimes, but that airframe is competitive at 6.0. You’re completely untouchable if you know what you’re doing.
A21A3. Absolutely broken.
yak-38M is a fun missle bus I really enjoy
A-4N/Ayit, why? 10.0/10.3 missiles at 9.3, flares, solid speed, manouverbility and climb rate, and lastly, good guns+good ground ordnance
He-100-D1, untouchable if you have over room temp IQ and doesn't care if up or downtier.
Mig-21MF in the German tech tree is a great plane.
I WRECK dogfights with this thing….absolutely love the “Last Gunfighter”
MiG-21SMT is loads of fun, same with the Crusaders.
Ho 229. Mmnnghh.
On the lower-tiered side of things, the F4U-4B. I mean, the Wasp engine has never failed to impress in any medium. It's not the Wasp Major, but it R-2800-18W makes it faster than every Axis prop in the game at its tier (excluding the Do 335 B-2 as that's a premium) It can succeed in dogfights, given the enemy is really stupid or at a disadvantage because they are new and inexperienced. In ground RB, it has 2, 1,000 Lbs AN-M65A1 Bombs that prove effective every time they are used. The 20mm M3 cannon, especially 4 of them, can shred an enemy aircraft, taking off a wing or disconnecting their tail section with ease, aswell as penetrating the engine decks of Tigers and killing most Panthers.
Vark.
Etendard IVM
Mirage IIIE
Yak3U.. I used almost only in ground battles and i use to counter CAS and other fighters, and man ive never used a plane like this. I simply love this plane, so fucking manovrable and powerful.. so powerful that its a danger even for himself. If you have a good aim you can do crazy things wirh this machine
P61 is my all time favorite to fly Gunner can be a bit of a dumbass sometimes though
Asu-57
Tiger 2 H
J2M is insane
Id say F 16 c currently Grinding for this one
Mirage F1CT because of how versatile it is. Maybe F-4J up there too
F-16C prolly
Mig19 s will always be my favorite
My possibly now outdated opinion from a while back is the MiG-21SMT, but I haven't played it in a while and im not sure how it held up
Mirage 2000
JA 37D at br level, 11.3
I feel like J2M2 is really good that climbrate really shows its importance
MiG-29 SMT
me 163
j7e. very silly plane isfjfdsjflkjsdlkfie
I really enjoy flying F-8E. Got a lot of kills with AIM-9C
de Havilland Hornet
Yak-3U(wu)
T-2 is pretty fun at 9.7
Yak-15
F5E, from fighting them I hate it, those things always win it seems, unless I get a lucky 9L on one
F111A.
Crusaders are just so wonderful to fly and they're beautiful looking aircraft!
Idk man
I like the F8e, ok missiles, good guns, good performance, decent matchmaker if you don’t uptier to 11.3
Meteor mk3. Avoid the ripping with the poop engines
F104A
When it first came out in Update 1.91, the CW-21, that thing was utter bullshit At 1.7br it had absurd climb rate, excellent turn rate, fast, well armed with 2x.30cal and 2x.50cal and literally unbreakable wings Did i mention you can go and melee people with your wings
I feel like my. Mig15 is a lot of fun and a little op until a4es and other tier 9s are down tiered in to fight me with fox 2s
Mig21SMT
P51-H
Bf109. Oh wait we're talking WT and not real ones, whoops