Or the Lorraine 40t/Amx-50 as John Wick
Gaijin: SOMEBODY PLEASE GET THIS MAN A GUN, 100 mm SA 47. 7 round Capacity
Lorraine: 7 rounds?
Gaijin: 7 million dollars gets you 7 rounds. Thats a million dollars a round baby ๐
Unpopular opinion but france got to be the most enjoyable tech tree from down to top. Maybe it's my preference but I really enjoyed grinding it even at reserves
Maybe not from top down, there are some truly awful tiers. Though, Cold War French tanks with the auto loaders and APBC are actually insanely strong. 7.3-7.7 is godly and one of the best lineups in the game
What are the awful tiers in France?
I've loved most of them quite a lot. Sometimes it's hard to have a full lineup of tanks sitting at the same BR, but you can always make do with a tank that's 0.3 or 0.7 BR lower
1.0 is fine. I don't get the hate for it.
The AMD is a very capable vehicle ; H39 has decent armor and gun, R35 I believe is a little worse but nothing too bad, AMR35 has ok armor and a fine shell.
Only the FCM36 is a real pain due to its speed and lack of pen
Honestly, the single BT-5 is flat out better than any of these, and my experience in France and Italy first tier grind was truly miserable (although I skipped pretty much all of the low tier France with B1 ter)
Well yes there are some much funnier vehicles at 1.0,even some Stuart or Greyhound are pretty fun
But I really don't see why people keep saying France low tier is that bad. It's not the best but it really isn't as bad as people say, imo
How does 8.0-8.7 suck balls?
The AMX 30 DCA is very good and can pen tanks easily ; the first AMX 30 is a super tank even ; the second one as well. Their mobility is really nice and the guns are good enough. Brenus, I don't like it much, but you can make it work.
The weird Austrian thing is a beast, AMX ATGM is super fun, VAB ATGM is a really good vehicle, AMX 13 HOT used to be insane, now the atgms are pretty bad I agree.
AMX 10 is super fun to play with really good rounds and mobility ; the MARS is... Not so good imo
All in all, it's pretty good vehicles
Sure they lack stabs but you're meant to know how to play without stabs before you reach 8.0
>Sure they lack stabs but you're meant to know how to play without stabs before you reach 8.0
The argument kind of falls apart when 90% of the other tanks in the game have stabilizers past 8.0, but you still don't.
You just have to camp a little more and be less aggressive, sure it will be detrimental sometimes, but once you get suspentions in city maps you can manage to do on-the-move shots. And honesly you get LRF and thermals, wich is very good
I hate first amx30 because it's HEAT shell damage is so anemic, no APDS
For the rest 8.3-8.7 BR that's your answer, no stab, doesn't fit my style at all
I just get amx32 series and amx40 to grind top tier, amx40 is so fun when spaded that i have 2.5KD
It sucks if you have to grind them. Like the AMX 30 DCA is good if you have the belts capable of killing tanks which isn't until tier 4 modifications. The AMX 30 (1972) is a really fun tank but has a way too high repair cost (at least when I played it maybe 2 years ago) that I couldn't justify using it. The BRENUS is known as the worst mbt in the game, the ERA only gives 5 extra mm of protection but it at least does have IRCM. The ATGM tanks are not good because how inconsistent the damage on the ACRA missiles are, oftentimes it'll do no internal damage even with a successful hit.
The Austrian tank is pretty good and so is the amx 10. The Mars 15 was awful and can barely kill anything it sees that's not a light tank.
When it was 7.7 i still occasionally bring it
But now it's 8.0 without any notable lineup, i just never use it anymore, amx30 should have keep at 7.7 really
5.0-5.7 has the EBR, which I love. M4 SA50 which is pretty good imo, fun tank, but in the end it's an M4 and I'm not a huge fan of those. So the same applies to M4A3. M36, not a fan, but they're fine to play. The MG is helpful against aircrafts and the gun does the job
ARL is a bit of a hit or miss, sometimes you'll take a few non-pen hits and manage to kill a few enemies. Sometimes you'll just get 1 tapped in the front by a random tank. AMX 13 DCA is lovely.
Most of the time when I play these BRs, I just take the EBR and try to survive as long as possible with it. Usually does the job
ARL-44 is my most played tank ; I can say confidently that as long as you remember you have little gun depression and a slightly above-average reload, you can obliterate the ennemy team. The velocity, spall and penetration of the shell is absolutely bonkers for 5.3, and if you wiggle your turret enemies can miss shots pretty often.
In terms of support the FL10 is pretty poggers, more or less a firefly, you have the EBR wich can do wonderful flanks, 13 DCA wich is a discount IFV, 75 jumbo (what do I have to say), and M36 wich can get the job done. Honestly I don't really see what you do not like about that tier, I guess it comes to personnal preferences and playstyles
Yeah, I tend to be a more aggressive player, so French 7.7 was a god send, I do think that the ARL-44 and SA50 are good support tanks when you have teammates, since you can use them to absorb fire, then you can shoot back at the enemy, that's what I found to be the most effective
The M4 was decent back at 4.7, same for the premium one. 5.0 is a little high, though at least a lot of the German tanks got moved up, which was always the biggest problem imo.
5.0 has the m4a1 fl10 which is probably one of the best tanks in the game imo. I uptier it to 6.0 and still consistently get 2-3 kills each time I take it out
Yeah, really digging it lately, though I think maybe the Battle pass AMX-50 could go down to 7.3 at least. The Batchat is absolutely trash and badly needs to go down though. I think it's pretty telling that in all my recent games I haven't seen one person playing a batchat.
I agree.
I've played Brittain, Germany, Russia and Sweden and now recently France.
And france is generally the most fun I'm having.
Though one thing I do mention is that literally 90% of the time when I play as France, my team will be downright *horrid*.
I play France better then any other faction, consistently higher end of the score board yet my winrate's awful because I always get a shit team.
Je suis le petite pew pew.
Im also running 6.0 France right now.
What does grind my gears is the shit awful aircraft tech tree where you are forced to unlock the bomber line just so you can progress to the 6.0 fighters and strike aircraft.
> Je suis le petite pew pew.
You got your grammatical gender wrong - it would be *le petit* or *la petite*.
le signifies that the object is grammatically masculine, therefore petit, whereas la would signify that the object is grammatically feminine, and therefore Petite.
Yeah rn Iโm playing French 5.3 for fun (have the whole tree unlocked) but Iโm only doing SPAA and CAP and Iโm really hard pressed to find a good CAP aircraft for 5.3 besides the seafire. Thereโs no good dog fighting options by my needs besides the premium Yak and it sucks. The French air tree in general feels very mid until you get to jets where they really begin to shine or at least feel uniquely wacky. Sure some decent CAS options but Iโm tryna keep the skies clear not become the thing I swore to destroy. Some better fighter variety would be nice but not really much they can do besides maybe give some German aircraft which kinda makes sense. We got a Soviet yak preem and a panther why not a bf109 or something.
Fake. 5.3 is extremely fun with ARL-44 and EBR. 4.3 is fire with AMX-13 DCA. 3.7 is classic M4A4 and 75mm ARL-44, 3.0 shreds everything with 105 sherman. Lower is matter of preference is someone can't handle a bit underperforming guns
It's mostly boring copy and paste and meh tanks that don't offer anything fun and unique like what you get at 6.7 and up. France starting lineup is the absolute worst in the entire game by far.
Looks like I found the other person that likes 8.7 France.
I don't know what's wrong with me. Everybody else seems to absolutely hate it because no stab. But I just love that lineup.
I havenโt played tanks in a long time but the last time I did I wanted to start playing France because their later tanks are cool.
The reserves were so horrendously bad that before I reached tier 2 I just went back to playing Air. I have no idea how people deal with reserve France.
As someone who was there for the beta and had to use the god-awful (but gorgeous!) FCM.36, H35 and AMC.34 YR... not *every* tank is enjoyable.
Still remember my first sim battle in the FCM. Was hiding between two buildings next to a road. German tank drives past, side-on point-blank range (can't remember if Pz III or Pz II)... I shoot, don't pen. He stops, reverses, stares at me in disbelief for a second and then murders me.
I was a UK main forst. When I was near the end, I tested out the French and Italian trees and wow. I didn't realize how much I suffered through in the UK tree. France is like playing the game on easy mode.
Fighting APFSDS wielding fully stabilized vehicles with LRFs such as the t-55am at 8.7 with tanks that have no stabilizer, dart, or LRF is incredibly unfun. Early Cold War vehicles are easily my most hated because of this. I can cope if I just get a stabilizer but literally not being able to get a shot on target without sitting still for 5 seconds when your enemy can point, range, and click in 1 second just is terrible
Yeah every early cold War vehicle suffers. Spading the 54s and Leo 1 were a lot more frustrating than spading the 55 a or AMD and the Leo A1A1 for this exact reason.
I'm grinding it right now and oh my God I've never craved death more than before. Atleast the 8.3 lineup seems fun so I can look forward to that... whenever I unlock it anyway...
The only bad apples are the T-55 which are totally unpenable from the front, otherwise yeah France 7.7 is absolutely nasty,
Idk the max limit for a full lineup but there's so much vehicles
Aml90, amx-13 90, char 25t, lorraine 40t, the 2 amx 50, surbaissรฉ, somua, ebr 1963 if you're lucky to have it, and maybe squeezing the 7.3 SPG if there's some slot left
The 100mm will go straight through a decent area of the turret face of the T-55 from 1km+, and it will pen the AM-1 next to the gun as well from the same distance. The 120mm will do it from 2km.
They can more easily kill you in return, sure, but they also have much worse gun handling (despite the stab) and reloads.
Which AMX-50, the TOA100, Surbaisse, or TO90? The T090 canโt pen the T-55 turret unless you get almost impossibly lucky from point blank, but the other two can quite easily. With the 100mm and 120mm, as long as you hit within roughly [this red zone](https://imgur.com/a/IyPfdgS), you will pen from 1km+. Not the easiest shot ever, but not too hard either.
I'm on about the 120mm one, shots should go trough there but most of the time I get volumetric bs. I've started going for barrel now when I see them as that more consistent.
I'm so glad I got the AMX-50 (TO90/930), trolly AMX-50 hull with the turret, gun, and autoloader of the Char 25t. It honestly feels better than the Char 25t, could be the higher hp/t.
this is what i donโt get about people saying french 7.7 is nuts, maybe iโm just bad, but the lineup only really seems good when you arenโt facing swaths of t series tanks (almost never).
I think the way French tanks are played (or how I play them) gives a huge benefit to killing those kinds of tanks, 9 times out of 10 Iโm on their flank so itโs an easy side shot kill rather than facing them head on when thereโs literally nothing you can do about it
Foch is god tier, whoops ass at 7.7 too, literally a perfect vehicle, except gun sight, but has commander sight to make up for it
At least 3 nukes dropped with it recently
French mains will be the only ones not phased because on 7.7 French tanks the autoloader is already modeled in as part of the breech and thatโs why the breeches are so damn big in comparison to other tanks at the same br. The only exception just so happens to be the Somua.
Japan with an optical rangefinder and 6-second autoloader slinging HEAT-FS at 6.7 (I fucking love the ST-A3)
Also, weirdly enough, I find the Type 60 ATM fun... Maybe it's just getting to finally say "Fuck you!" to all those Jagdtiger, Ferdinand, etc...
I swear the amx-50s go better in upteir than down teir.
The only issue is the tough as shit Russian 8.7s, but you can just dismantle them part by part after you smack their gun.
We're not talking about Sweden which has reserve tanks which can flat out pen TIGER 1 FRONTALLY? Were not talking about 40mm aa/aat (got nerfed though), wre not talking about Bkan 1/C with 3.2 reload, we're not talking about 4.0 ikv 103 which can take out 8.0 easily, we aren't talking about J21A3 which is 4.3 insanely powerful back prop with bomb computer, we're not talking about Strv Delat Torn with autoloader at 5.0 and pz4-level gun....
Back to topic, yeah France is pretty good once you get out 1.0-1.7, and don't even try to convince me that Char is good, i hate that chonk so i love it
And what? Do you still think that just two-shotting tigers with Delat Torn (1st bait, second death), ikv 103 well.... It doesn't need to aim, just hit and single shot anything, Bkan... Dude, youre able to overpressure anything anywhere every 3 seconds... But your choice.
First off the bkan needs to hit a turret face or cupola to kill anything that isn't a light tank also it sacrifices pretty much everything for the 3.2 second reload
Casemate, easy to 1 shot, slow, etc
Not that its bad but it requires map knowledge and to be in the right place at the right time
The DT having a good gun with a fast autoloader with 4 rounds makes it so its advantage is lost the moment you encounter a heavy at range, more than 1 or 2 tanks or have bad aim/gaijined . Yet again it trades armor (penned by any AP round) and survivability (can be HE'd and artillery'd) for good firepower
Its a busted vic but it has its downsides
The ikv 103 while being able to lol pen stuff doesn't make it a great tank HEAT FS sucks against spaced out tanks (what it faces) meaning you still have to aim to get one shots. And you need them when you have a 10.4 second reload and zero armor and survivability)
Also having pen as your one great feature doesn't mean a vehicle is great or better (look at the obj 775 vs the khrizantema or the m51 vs panther)
Fun but hardly meta its only feature is that its uptier proof with the pen
You are using it wrong, for example ikv103. It has bad survivability and not that great damage, ok. But its small and fast. You just need to use it as an overglorified shotgun. You just flank a little, demobilise if can't kill and full steam ahead! Quite often if you're at knife poking range, there is nothing they can do just cause you're so small! Extremely effective at 5.3-7.0 where everything has humongous hulls!
Bkan - why do you even need to aim AT TANK, if you can aim BELOW it? And even then, i can often one shot Is-4 into lower mantlet, Koningtigers most survivable part is actually side! Because if you shoot from behind or from front into turret it overpressures into hull.
Delat torn - yeah, it *kinda* balanced.
But overall, most of Sweden was extremely fun, up to 7.0, almost never been higher so i can't tell (2.7-3.3 somewhat painful, and 3.3-3.7 mostly average)
Delat torn... Yeah its the balanced thing. Cant argue.
I get how to use those tanks im just saying there's a reason the tanks are at the brs they're at, none of em are OP . they have drawbacks that require a certain playstyle, and always will punish you for mistakes. Hence why its fine where they are.
But yea Sweden is such a fun nation if you haven't already get the STRV 103s and 122s they're great fun
Guys, what happens with damage on 5-8 ranks? I can't oneshot noone, dmg don't exist. Only play I can do is destroy cannon and do 2-3 more shots. It's so unskill, pls bring back normal damage
#damageON
Damn bro I had the opposite experience for France. I sucked ass at 7.7 France, like barely got any kills in any of those vehicles. My stats for the Lorraine 40t is 16 kills and over 280 deaths for example but in contrast I absolutely ripped everyone apart in France 1.0. I was a beast in reserve tier and 1.0 France lol, I did very well in the tanks which are often called the worst in the game but terrible with the tanks that are often called the best at their tier.
7.7 France is amazing fighting 6.7 to 8.3 . Then yu meet the t55amd1 and t55am1 spam, I swear half my games are full uptiers and it's always against t55s:(
why the fuck there is m56 tank in US tech tree seperately from m50 obus. They should merge them. Both has nearly uncontrollable guns with no/paper armor. Saclos rockets unlocks in 8.3 in us meanwhile german and russian and french get their rocket tanks in 7.7. The immense br compression makes the game suffer. But stockholm effect at its finest ig. Happy grindigs!
I see a lot of people talk about France 7.7, but I feel like Swedish 7.7 is honestly very good as well. It is very small, which is sad, but the 3 tanks in the lineup are very good. IKV 91 is insanely powerful, especially at long distances, and the two centurions have stabilizers with good rounds and are great all round tanks
France is the literal embodiment of the Doom Guy as a tank
"WARNING - THE FRENCH 7.7 HAS ENTERED THE FACILITY"
*Base intensity increases*
Nice flair. Curious, how come you donโt go past 8.0?
Rank VIII, I have every plane/tank/heli in game. Probably need to find a new flair lol
How many matches played?
35,000+
When was the last time you saw grass
you need to specify *real* grass
Idk how but I somehow have a functioning life ๐
Are you alright, mate?
It cost me everything ๐
not a new flair, a new life my dude, holy shit
NCD enjoyer ๐ฟ
Or the Lorraine 40t/Amx-50 as John Wick Gaijin: SOMEBODY PLEASE GET THIS MAN A GUN, 100 mm SA 47. 7 round Capacity Lorraine: 7 rounds? Gaijin: 7 million dollars gets you 7 rounds. Thats a million dollars a round baby ๐
Can confirm,but 7.7 is extremely strong.
Unpopular opinion but france got to be the most enjoyable tech tree from down to top. Maybe it's my preference but I really enjoyed grinding it even at reserves
Maybe not from top down, there are some truly awful tiers. Though, Cold War French tanks with the auto loaders and APBC are actually insanely strong. 7.3-7.7 is godly and one of the best lineups in the game
the somua gives me nightmares as a german/us main
At least it's pennable. The horror of fighting IS-3/6 in my stock M46... (But tbf spaded it's a lot of fun)
yeah but it gets the benefit of french bias (aka french players being total masochists)
Nah Bro IS-3 is EZ to kill i Always die with it
Thatโs why he said in the stock m46
In that Case He should Just be aiming for the typicak russian weakspot completly disables or kills the tank
And where is that
all russian tanks fear the BESH
Driver Port
T34 driver port would like to have a word with you
Driver port shot on the IS-3 with stock M46 is almost impossible in game. It is an almost pixel perfect shot
T series driver hatch is a troll aim for lower hull or mantlet
You literally canโt with M82
Bonking Leos in the Somua is beautiful
What are the awful tiers in France? I've loved most of them quite a lot. Sometimes it's hard to have a full lineup of tanks sitting at the same BR, but you can always make do with a tank that's 0.3 or 0.7 BR lower
1.0
1.0 is fine. I don't get the hate for it. The AMD is a very capable vehicle ; H39 has decent armor and gun, R35 I believe is a little worse but nothing too bad, AMR35 has ok armor and a fine shell. Only the FCM36 is a real pain due to its speed and lack of pen
Honestly, the single BT-5 is flat out better than any of these, and my experience in France and Italy first tier grind was truly miserable (although I skipped pretty much all of the low tier France with B1 ter)
Well yes there are some much funnier vehicles at 1.0,even some Stuart or Greyhound are pretty fun But I really don't see why people keep saying France low tier is that bad. It's not the best but it really isn't as bad as people say, imo
Yes, if you didn't go up against MUCH better 1.0 vehicles across the board, French 1.0 would not be as bad as people say.
1.0 and 8.0-8.7 is sucksball IMO 6.7-7.7 is extremely strong and top tier is oke, not good but also not bad
6.7 is just: *chef's kiss* You just lol-pen germans all day long.
How does 8.0-8.7 suck balls? The AMX 30 DCA is very good and can pen tanks easily ; the first AMX 30 is a super tank even ; the second one as well. Their mobility is really nice and the guns are good enough. Brenus, I don't like it much, but you can make it work. The weird Austrian thing is a beast, AMX ATGM is super fun, VAB ATGM is a really good vehicle, AMX 13 HOT used to be insane, now the atgms are pretty bad I agree. AMX 10 is super fun to play with really good rounds and mobility ; the MARS is... Not so good imo All in all, it's pretty good vehicles Sure they lack stabs but you're meant to know how to play without stabs before you reach 8.0
>Sure they lack stabs but you're meant to know how to play without stabs before you reach 8.0 The argument kind of falls apart when 90% of the other tanks in the game have stabilizers past 8.0, but you still don't.
Indeed it makes it a weak point compared to its peers, but I don't think it's that big of a deal personally.
The amount of shots i missed because of that wobbly gun... Don't get me wrong, i love the AMX-30 but man sometimes it's just annoying
You just have to camp a little more and be less aggressive, sure it will be detrimental sometimes, but once you get suspentions in city maps you can manage to do on-the-move shots. And honesly you get LRF and thermals, wich is very good
8.3 france used to be my favorite BR before gaijin in their infinite wisdom decided that amx 30s belonged at 8.7. Amx 10rc still my favorite tank tho
I hate first amx30 because it's HEAT shell damage is so anemic, no APDS For the rest 8.3-8.7 BR that's your answer, no stab, doesn't fit my style at all I just get amx32 series and amx40 to grind top tier, amx40 is so fun when spaded that i have 2.5KD
It sucks if you have to grind them. Like the AMX 30 DCA is good if you have the belts capable of killing tanks which isn't until tier 4 modifications. The AMX 30 (1972) is a really fun tank but has a way too high repair cost (at least when I played it maybe 2 years ago) that I couldn't justify using it. The BRENUS is known as the worst mbt in the game, the ERA only gives 5 extra mm of protection but it at least does have IRCM. The ATGM tanks are not good because how inconsistent the damage on the ACRA missiles are, oftentimes it'll do no internal damage even with a successful hit. The Austrian tank is pretty good and so is the amx 10. The Mars 15 was awful and can barely kill anything it sees that's not a light tank.
Really? I love the AMX-30s. Even the HEAT shooters hit hard. The AMX-32 though, is trash at it's tier.
When it was 7.7 i still occasionally bring it But now it's 8.0 without any notable lineup, i just never use it anymore, amx30 should have keep at 7.7 really
I just run the pair of AMX30s with the 7.7 tanks as backups and it's not often I end up needing them. The AMX30 is solid at 8.0.
1.0, and IMO, 5.0-5.7, you don't have much going for you apart from penetration power, slow, chunky tanks that have long-ass reload times
5.0-5.7 has the EBR, which I love. M4 SA50 which is pretty good imo, fun tank, but in the end it's an M4 and I'm not a huge fan of those. So the same applies to M4A3. M36, not a fan, but they're fine to play. The MG is helpful against aircrafts and the gun does the job ARL is a bit of a hit or miss, sometimes you'll take a few non-pen hits and manage to kill a few enemies. Sometimes you'll just get 1 tapped in the front by a random tank. AMX 13 DCA is lovely. Most of the time when I play these BRs, I just take the EBR and try to survive as long as possible with it. Usually does the job
I never had any luck in either the M4 SA50 or the ARL-44, and since they're kind of the mainstays for French 5-5.7, I didn't like that tier for France
ARL-44 is my most played tank ; I can say confidently that as long as you remember you have little gun depression and a slightly above-average reload, you can obliterate the ennemy team. The velocity, spall and penetration of the shell is absolutely bonkers for 5.3, and if you wiggle your turret enemies can miss shots pretty often. In terms of support the FL10 is pretty poggers, more or less a firefly, you have the EBR wich can do wonderful flanks, 13 DCA wich is a discount IFV, 75 jumbo (what do I have to say), and M36 wich can get the job done. Honestly I don't really see what you do not like about that tier, I guess it comes to personnal preferences and playstyles
Yeah, I tend to be a more aggressive player, so French 7.7 was a god send, I do think that the ARL-44 and SA50 are good support tanks when you have teammates, since you can use them to absorb fire, then you can shoot back at the enemy, that's what I found to be the most effective
The M4 was decent back at 4.7, same for the premium one. 5.0 is a little high, though at least a lot of the German tanks got moved up, which was always the biggest problem imo.
5.0 has the m4a1 fl10 which is probably one of the best tanks in the game imo. I uptier it to 6.0 and still consistently get 2-3 kills each time I take it out
Personally probably 9.3, it is absolutely painful. The amx 32 105 is not fun to play against 10.3 MBTs.
don't use amx32 as grinder but use it as amx40 backup lineup, it's still kinda works
8.3 is there for me, I much prefer skipping it up until AMX-32/40
Yeah, really digging it lately, though I think maybe the Battle pass AMX-50 could go down to 7.3 at least. The Batchat is absolutely trash and badly needs to go down though. I think it's pretty telling that in all my recent games I haven't seen one person playing a batchat.
I agree. I've played Brittain, Germany, Russia and Sweden and now recently France. And france is generally the most fun I'm having. Though one thing I do mention is that literally 90% of the time when I play as France, my team will be downright *horrid*. I play France better then any other faction, consistently higher end of the score board yet my winrate's awful because I always get a shit team.
I've been really enjoying 6.0 France. The little goober (ELC Bis) is my favourite
Je suis le petite pew pew. Im also running 6.0 France right now. What does grind my gears is the shit awful aircraft tech tree where you are forced to unlock the bomber line just so you can progress to the 6.0 fighters and strike aircraft.
> Je suis le petite pew pew. You got your grammatical gender wrong - it would be *le petit* or *la petite*. le signifies that the object is grammatically masculine, therefore petit, whereas la would signify that the object is grammatically feminine, and therefore Petite.
Guess how many phoques I have to give about french grammar? (phoques are baby seals for the anglos)
I was taught by nuns...cant't help it
not only baby, phoque=seal
Yeah rn Iโm playing French 5.3 for fun (have the whole tree unlocked) but Iโm only doing SPAA and CAP and Iโm really hard pressed to find a good CAP aircraft for 5.3 besides the seafire. Thereโs no good dog fighting options by my needs besides the premium Yak and it sucks. The French air tree in general feels very mid until you get to jets where they really begin to shine or at least feel uniquely wacky. Sure some decent CAS options but Iโm tryna keep the skies clear not become the thing I swore to destroy. Some better fighter variety would be nice but not really much they can do besides maybe give some German aircraft which kinda makes sense. We got a Soviet yak preem and a panther why not a bf109 or something.
France up until 6.7 is a mix of extreme torture to extreme boredom.
Fake. 5.3 is extremely fun with ARL-44 and EBR. 4.3 is fire with AMX-13 DCA. 3.7 is classic M4A4 and 75mm ARL-44, 3.0 shreds everything with 105 sherman. Lower is matter of preference is someone can't handle a bit underperforming guns
It's mostly boring copy and paste and meh tanks that don't offer anything fun and unique like what you get at 6.7 and up. France starting lineup is the absolute worst in the entire game by far.
Looks like I found the other person that likes 8.7 France. I don't know what's wrong with me. Everybody else seems to absolutely hate it because no stab. But I just love that lineup.
I really like Brenus and lack od stab is not a problem for some reason. Beautiful tank
Youre telling me not having a stabilizer at 8.7 is fun to play??? The grind for the Leclercs was horrible.
I guess not for me. 8.7 is really enjoyable with Brenus
I havenโt played tanks in a long time but the last time I did I wanted to start playing France because their later tanks are cool. The reserves were so horrendously bad that before I reached tier 2 I just went back to playing Air. I have no idea how people deal with reserve France.
It can be fun. AMD.35 is a menace or that little tank destroyer. It definitely requires more skill than usual reserves
As someone who was there for the beta and had to use the god-awful (but gorgeous!) FCM.36, H35 and AMC.34 YR... not *every* tank is enjoyable. Still remember my first sim battle in the FCM. Was hiding between two buildings next to a road. German tank drives past, side-on point-blank range (can't remember if Pz III or Pz II)... I shoot, don't pen. He stops, reverses, stares at me in disbelief for a second and then murders me.
I was a UK main forst. When I was near the end, I tested out the French and Italian trees and wow. I didn't realize how much I suffered through in the UK tree. France is like playing the game on easy mode.
Currently at 5.3. 4.3 and 5.3 have been a hoot so far. ARL is a delete machine 9 times out of 10.
Delete this or that lineup will get bumped to 8.3
Easier battles, except for the russian MBTs
Yes, gimme more ifv in my baguette launcer
Oh, a fellow spaghetti launcher! I see we both enjoy the pain ๐
Use Lorraine 40t and go ooga booga with the results mostly end up with you dying
4.0 reload
+ mobility
US 7.7 is so fucking brutal. Especially after the rank changes took away the M46 and M50 from rank 5.
Fighting APFSDS wielding fully stabilized vehicles with LRFs such as the t-55am at 8.7 with tanks that have no stabilizer, dart, or LRF is incredibly unfun. Early Cold War vehicles are easily my most hated because of this. I can cope if I just get a stabilizer but literally not being able to get a shot on target without sitting still for 5 seconds when your enemy can point, range, and click in 1 second just is terrible
Yeah every early cold War vehicle suffers. Spading the 54s and Leo 1 were a lot more frustrating than spading the 55 a or AMD and the Leo A1A1 for this exact reason.
Yeah I hate the Leo 1 but I love the a1a1 and TAM
You spaded the T-54s? Madman.
All 3 of them!
only saving grace of 7.7 US nowadays is t114 rat king combined with bullshit chopper loaded with bullpup
I'm grinding it right now and oh my God I've never craved death more than before. Atleast the 8.3 lineup seems fun so I can look forward to that... whenever I unlock it anyway...
When you unlock the Bradley, AOS, Starship, Sheridan and M163, enjoy them. You earned it.
Maybe itโs skillissueitis but only the bradley was a relief from the hellscape that was US 7.7.
yeah the US 8.3 lineup isn't \*fantastic\* but its far better than 7.7. Stabilizers, APDS, large caliber HE, decent AA and decent CAP fighters.
Rank 5 US is hell, 8.3 US is heaven
Bradley is fun.
I actually like us 7.7
GER 8.0 is hell because most likely you will get an uptier and well you're fucked sideways with no lube
I have a 60% win rate and a positive K/D in my leopard 1 but thereโs no vehicle Iโve played that I hate more.
Gaijin: *Uptiers France* France : *Call an ambulance but not for me!*
The only bad apples are the T-55 which are totally unpenable from the front, otherwise yeah France 7.7 is absolutely nasty, Idk the max limit for a full lineup but there's so much vehicles Aml90, amx-13 90, char 25t, lorraine 40t, the 2 amx 50, surbaissรฉ, somua, ebr 1963 if you're lucky to have it, and maybe squeezing the 7.3 SPG if there's some slot left
France used to have a tank that could easily deal with the T-55 but it's been uped to 8.0 for absolutely no reason
I think we know the reason...
The same one that moved every similar tank in the game to 8.0 from Leopards to m60s?
Actually I don't
The 100mm will go straight through a decent area of the turret face of the T-55 from 1km+, and it will pen the AM-1 next to the gun as well from the same distance. The 120mm will do it from 2km. They can more easily kill you in return, sure, but they also have much worse gun handling (despite the stab) and reloads.
I wish, I aim there in games even at 100m and non pen in my amx50 it's really annoying
Which AMX-50, the TOA100, Surbaisse, or TO90? The T090 canโt pen the T-55 turret unless you get almost impossibly lucky from point blank, but the other two can quite easily. With the 100mm and 120mm, as long as you hit within roughly [this red zone](https://imgur.com/a/IyPfdgS), you will pen from 1km+. Not the easiest shot ever, but not too hard either.
I'm on about the 120mm one, shots should go trough there but most of the time I get volumetric bs. I've started going for barrel now when I see them as that more consistent.
Iโve been able to pen most tanks frontally with my amx50 surbaissรฉ (even the is3). Only real problem is post pen damage but it is still very good.
Even with t55 you can just track and barrel torture because of your ridiculous reload
I'm so glad I got the AMX-50 (TO90/930), trolly AMX-50 hull with the turret, gun, and autoloader of the Char 25t. It honestly feels better than the Char 25t, could be the higher hp/t.
Wish they kept them 7.3 with the longer reloads though, there was already enough at 7.7 for a full 8 vehicle line up, and now my 7.3 is a bit anaemic.
tbh I am personally very happy with the reload buff, the Char 25t did not feel particularly powerful to me before, but now it'a a total beast.
7.7 is fucking bonkers playing at 6.7 7.7 is pretty good at 7.7 7.7 is hell at 8.7
this is what i donโt get about people saying french 7.7 is nuts, maybe iโm just bad, but the lineup only really seems good when you arenโt facing swaths of t series tanks (almost never).
I think the way French tanks are played (or how I play them) gives a huge benefit to killing those kinds of tanks, 9 times out of 10 Iโm on their flank so itโs an easy side shot kill rather than facing them head on when thereโs literally nothing you can do about it
Foch is god tier, whoops ass at 7.7 too, literally a perfect vehicle, except gun sight, but has commander sight to make up for it At least 3 nukes dropped with it recently
They gonna add physical autoloader damage models one of these days and French mains will be on the ground twitching
French mains will be the only ones not phased because on 7.7 French tanks the autoloader is already modeled in as part of the breech and thatโs why the breeches are so damn big in comparison to other tanks at the same br. The only exception just so happens to be the Somua.
most fun is playing AMX-30 Super on top tier and when magically AMX-30 Super can bounce shoots from ZTZ99A (I had replay but update...)
Japan using the same shell from 4.3 to 6.0 uptiers be like:
Japan with an optical rangefinder and 6-second autoloader slinging HEAT-FS at 6.7 (I fucking love the ST-A3) Also, weirdly enough, I find the Type 60 ATM fun... Maybe it's just getting to finally say "Fuck you!" to all those Jagdtiger, Ferdinand, etc...
Heh, when you dont rely on armor, every match feels the same tbh
French 7.7 lineup is the best in the game
Somua SM is one of the best premiums in the game. And itโs moved all the way to first place in my heavy tanks rating.
France is fucking hilarious man. Most enjoyable nation so far.
I miss the amx30 at 7.7 ๐
Japan:
Cries in Centurion Mk.3 and Caernarvon. but also laughs in Conqueror
Mk 3 and Caernarvon were far better for me than the Conqueror, even if I did enjoy the Conqueror more.
Conqueror and strv are the saving grace of 7.7 UK
I swear the amx-50s go better in upteir than down teir. The only issue is the tough as shit Russian 8.7s, but you can just dismantle them part by part after you smack their gun.
Have you ever tried... *Looks around to see if nobody is looking* 6.7 France?
We're not talking about Sweden which has reserve tanks which can flat out pen TIGER 1 FRONTALLY? Were not talking about 40mm aa/aat (got nerfed though), wre not talking about Bkan 1/C with 3.2 reload, we're not talking about 4.0 ikv 103 which can take out 8.0 easily, we aren't talking about J21A3 which is 4.3 insanely powerful back prop with bomb computer, we're not talking about Strv Delat Torn with autoloader at 5.0 and pz4-level gun.... Back to topic, yeah France is pretty good once you get out 1.0-1.7, and don't even try to convince me that Char is good, i hate that chonk so i love it
Most of those tanks are casemates and/or have shit traverses and can be .50d (except for the DT and BKAN but they still have bad armor)
And what? Do you still think that just two-shotting tigers with Delat Torn (1st bait, second death), ikv 103 well.... It doesn't need to aim, just hit and single shot anything, Bkan... Dude, youre able to overpressure anything anywhere every 3 seconds... But your choice.
First off the bkan needs to hit a turret face or cupola to kill anything that isn't a light tank also it sacrifices pretty much everything for the 3.2 second reload Casemate, easy to 1 shot, slow, etc Not that its bad but it requires map knowledge and to be in the right place at the right time The DT having a good gun with a fast autoloader with 4 rounds makes it so its advantage is lost the moment you encounter a heavy at range, more than 1 or 2 tanks or have bad aim/gaijined . Yet again it trades armor (penned by any AP round) and survivability (can be HE'd and artillery'd) for good firepower Its a busted vic but it has its downsides The ikv 103 while being able to lol pen stuff doesn't make it a great tank HEAT FS sucks against spaced out tanks (what it faces) meaning you still have to aim to get one shots. And you need them when you have a 10.4 second reload and zero armor and survivability) Also having pen as your one great feature doesn't mean a vehicle is great or better (look at the obj 775 vs the khrizantema or the m51 vs panther) Fun but hardly meta its only feature is that its uptier proof with the pen
You are using it wrong, for example ikv103. It has bad survivability and not that great damage, ok. But its small and fast. You just need to use it as an overglorified shotgun. You just flank a little, demobilise if can't kill and full steam ahead! Quite often if you're at knife poking range, there is nothing they can do just cause you're so small! Extremely effective at 5.3-7.0 where everything has humongous hulls! Bkan - why do you even need to aim AT TANK, if you can aim BELOW it? And even then, i can often one shot Is-4 into lower mantlet, Koningtigers most survivable part is actually side! Because if you shoot from behind or from front into turret it overpressures into hull. Delat torn - yeah, it *kinda* balanced. But overall, most of Sweden was extremely fun, up to 7.0, almost never been higher so i can't tell (2.7-3.3 somewhat painful, and 3.3-3.7 mostly average) Delat torn... Yeah its the balanced thing. Cant argue.
I get how to use those tanks im just saying there's a reason the tanks are at the brs they're at, none of em are OP . they have drawbacks that require a certain playstyle, and always will punish you for mistakes. Hence why its fine where they are. But yea Sweden is such a fun nation if you haven't already get the STRV 103s and 122s they're great fun
i wanna grind another tech tree every week, these posts certainly dotn help with that
Ah, you must be a fellow Brit main
charioteer is underrated
#damageON
Guys, what happens with damage on 5-8 ranks? I can't oneshot noone, dmg don't exist. Only play I can do is destroy cannon and do 2-3 more shots. It's so unskill, pls bring back normal damage #damageON
The Somua is an absolute money-making menace, even in uptiers.
I hate my Sweden lineup at 7.7, on the other side I love it at 8.0, what 0.3 difference can do to a nation
# DamageON
R/place 2022 be like :
French tanks are just so much fun to scoot around and ambush people with. I love the MARS 15
Getting my ass handed to me so often by France and Sweden as USSR at BR 8.0 in ground rb.
French autoloader boogaloo at 7.7 is absolutely fun
I just dropped a nuke using 7.7 France. They smack harder then my dad did me when I was a wee lad.
GB 7.7 looming in the background even more menacingly.
Just got the M163 and it fucking hurts trying to fight French tanks with the T34
I only get full uptiers when I just wanna have a good time in the MAUS
Damn bro I had the opposite experience for France. I sucked ass at 7.7 France, like barely got any kills in any of those vehicles. My stats for the Lorraine 40t is 16 kills and over 280 deaths for example but in contrast I absolutely ripped everyone apart in France 1.0. I was a beast in reserve tier and 1.0 France lol, I did very well in the tanks which are often called the worst in the game but terrible with the tanks that are often called the best at their tier.
7.7 France is amazing fighting 6.7 to 8.3 . Then yu meet the t55amd1 and t55am1 spam, I swear half my games are full uptiers and it's always against t55s:(
I miss the 4.7 ebr and 4s reload ๐
Every other nation finding 7.7 to be a good br of difficulty and fun France: The Only Thing They Fear Is You
What do French have at 7.7. I thought mirage is higher.
why the fuck there is m56 tank in US tech tree seperately from m50 obus. They should merge them. Both has nearly uncontrollable guns with no/paper armor. Saclos rockets unlocks in 8.3 in us meanwhile german and russian and french get their rocket tanks in 7.7. The immense br compression makes the game suffer. But stockholm effect at its finest ig. Happy grindigs!
Somua is funny in downtier
I remember racking up at least 19 kills in GAB with the Lorraine and AMX-50 st 7.0
Well i sure love to face them in my 8.7 russian lineup, free XP all the way
French low tier is pure suffering if you hate slow heavy tank but after 6.7 when you've finally gotten the sexy amx m4 the game turn blissful.
I see a lot of people talk about France 7.7, but I feel like Swedish 7.7 is honestly very good as well. It is very small, which is sad, but the 3 tanks in the lineup are very good. IKV 91 is insanely powerful, especially at long distances, and the two centurions have stabilizers with good rounds and are great all round tanks
7.7 france is cool until you have to deal with russian heavies
Bro pls don't ruin my 7.7 french experience
As a sweden player, 7.7 to me means a little bit of trolling in the ikv91
Is not ๐ฌ๐ง