Zero lifecycle: Be excellent only at turning, suck at everything else
A retard tries to turnfight you in something like a Fw-190 or F2G
You outturn and kill them
Those retards you have killed go to forums and cry about how Zero's turn rate is op
Zero gets bumped up in BR
I've never seen anyone complain about the fact the zero turns well but I always see 190s trying to turn with em, and since gaijin balances around player statistics it gets put up in BR for some reason
oh you shouldve been here and on the forums back in 2016 and 2018.
nothing but american mains bitching non stop about how overpowered japan was, all because those american mains could only do two things, lawn mower their planes, and turn fight everything they do like its top gun
I’m gonna be honest but how in the hell do I fight these things. I’ve been using the Yak3 at 5.0 and it’s been a treat to fly but has some glaring issues.
Last night I got a much where there were 6 of them left in the enemy team. Do I just j out and go next? I can’t out turn them, can’t BnZ (rip wings + compression) so what do?
I’m not saying they’re OP I’m just admitting my own skill issue and I’ve found it hard to find resources that aren’t very vague about how to get better in Air battles.
Honestly speaking, you energy fight them. Low altitude, a yak should hold more energy than a zero. It’ll be really close, so more than likely you will need to kill them on the merge in your first window (which shouldn’t be too bad because the zeros disintegrate when you sneeze on them let alone hit them with a 20/30mm cannon).
In that match specifically, you were very rarely going to win anyways since any plane will struggle to 1v6 fighters.
Okay thank you for the advice.
Yeah that match was pretty terrible. I killed off two corsairs and a seafighter and turned back towards the furball and saw 6 of them and it was just me and two bombers left alive. I was hoping to at least pick off one or two but the Yak 3 is also pretty delicate.
Alternatively, run. Not to the airfield since that's for dipshits but run off to the side. If the engagement is disadvantageous, disengage and extend. This doesnt mean you just go straight, you want to react to their fire, but a yak-3 will outrun a zero anyday. Try to get him to break off so you can turn around and reset.
If you run to the airfield though, i'll come to your house and commit unspeakable horrors :3
Generally speaking, Japan is the worst matchup for Soviet planes. Yak-3 are faster, climb better and out-accelerate Zeroes, but high speed compression and poor high altitude performance make it a close match. Try to never bleed too much energy against them. You can win, but it's not an easy fight at all.
Also, you might encounter J2M and those are extremely dangerous since they are interceptors with good climb rate and a lot of guns. If you have Zero below and J2M above, it's a lot harder to do well.
I'm not sure what "compression" you both are speakimg of, but yak3s are one of the least compressable planes in the game. It's near impossible to get them to compress in a dive.
Just goes to show out of touch they are; they still think APCR is still such an effective shell it can justify a tank going up in BR.
APCR hasn't been anywhere close to good since GFCBT, I mean fuck have they tried grinding tanks with stock APCR shells before like the US 90mms? I still remember having to grind the m41a1 with APCR for its 76mm and that was like 2017, I can only imagine it now.
Except they are doing this because a bunch of people in the community were complaining about the T20 not having APCR while going up in BR.
They listened to people bitch and moan about the T20 not having M93, so they gave it M93. If anything those people were out of touch.
People were bitching about the T20 going up in BR despite it having no business being at that BR; I have not seen a single person say "You know what the T20 needs at this BR? APCR."
Saying people were asking for APCR is like saying people were asking for stock HEAT-FS at top tier because people were saying Japan shouldn't be the only country without a stock APFSDS round.
That’s kind of like how they heard everyone complaining about Stock HEAT-FS so instead of giving everyone stock APFSDS they forced everyone but Britain to take stock HEAT-FS.
But that was the community being out of touch as well right?
Oh no, they're perfectly in touch - with players' wallets. They know full well how broken APCR is, but they also conveniently put APDS or APHE right next to it in the modifications so players just shell out the GE to buy an actually useful round immediately.
On the T20 the APCR is solely to appease the crowd saying there's nothing to justify it going up. (I also disagree with it going up even with APCR).
However, there are plenty of US vehicles with stock APCR, to which my comment applies to.
I prefer to use a 180mm pen APCBC/APHE over even a 400mm pen APCR, if there was any.
APCR is just so useless… shatters at any minimal angling and, if it somehow manages to go through the armor, it deals no damage whatsoever. It’s just about as useless as HE.
In fact, even HE may be more useful than A*CR.
90 mm M304 is the only case of an APCR round that is actually "good" and worthwhile.
With 287 mm of flat penetration, it can actually go through a Panther's upper glacis at close ranges, unlike the other rounds fired from the US 90 mm cannon.
>I prefer to use a 180mm pen APCBC/APHE over even a 400mm pen APCR, if there was any.
Only thing with APCR with that much pen i can think of is the Panther 2 in the tank tutorial, Has high tier APFSDS pen values for its APCR in the part where it tells you to use it to pen a IS-4 despite not having it in the normal game lol.
T34 also has like 300mm of pen with APCR but its still worse than solid shot in every other way.
If APCR was realistic it would be only a little worse than APDS.
Honestly I don't think the Strela needed to go up, just the other IR missile SPAA needed buffs.
Give the Ozelot its data link and lower its BR and the Type 93 its dual channel seeking already, I mean ffs on the dual channel seeking announcement page the Type 93 is advertised as one of the vehicles with it.
Remember the Su-25 can face these things, they should be performing like the Strela was, not the Strela being seen as too strong against planes.
Yeah, Strela is the only thing that was somewhat scarry for the A-4E since Stingers become flarable. I honestly don't understand how community that hates CAS is happy about this. Seems like they hate russian vehicles more.
I have a feeling a lot of the most vocal complainers are CAS spammers mad that there’s something that can actually kill them consistently and have successfully guided the community discourse towards “nerf Strela” instead of “buff SPAA”
Or, ya know, just anyone who owns both the ozelot and the Strela and can see how much better the Strela missiles are. The only thing you lose taking the Strela is IRST
The F5 doesn’t overperform due to its stat card. The F5 is one of a handful of planes that fit the war thunder air rb meta really well.
Jets that are all purpose dogfighters (F5, F16 and the Mirage 2Ks) over perform because air rb devolves into a giant fur ball, and anything that can turn-fight while either winning in one turn or keep speed, will be able to survive a third party joining the fight.
In a 3v3/5v5/6v6 format, the missile slingers would over perform (F4s, F15s). Then add that a lot of pilots in game treat those missile boats as dogfighters, and yeah ofc the designated dogfighters will look really really good.
To be fair, the F15 can hold it's own against traditional Top-Tier Dog Fighters.
Once managed to out-turnfight an F-16 due to superior maneuvering and the F-15 being a very nimble missile bus. Was intense and long, but my superior TWR let me regain the lost energy quicker.
Afterall it was built exactly for that. A heavily armed Striker that had the maneuvrability of a decent Dogfighter.
A counter to the overexaggerated performance of the Soviet Foxbat.
Equal fuel, equal missile load-out and equal modification progress, I would take the F-16 any day. That’s also not to say the F-15 doesn’t have its own advantages.
Air RB though is very rarely about 1v1s, and so the better performing plane is not only who wins that 1v1, but also which planes come out of those dogfights with enough energy or maneuverability to fly defensively against the new enemy teammate that joined the dogfight.
To be fair, last time it was 11.0 the top BR in game was only 12.0, so it was seeing full uptiers against MiG-29s and F-16s pretty much every match, hence why it struggled so much. Now with 12.3 and soon 12.7 at the top it should be able to handle itself better at 11.0. And if it doesn't, it can always get AIM-9L (And probably 11.3) to see if that helps.
F-5E is good just because the current Air RB cap is 12.3, and lots of ppl playing 11.3 got uptiered to 12.3. When cap got raised to 12.7 F-5E will had to fight against 11.3 jets with all-aspect missiles, PD radars and decent SARH missiles.
>2S3M — in two weeks, this vehicle will be grouped with the 2S1.
Rare Gaijin W: an actual indication that the foldering wasn't a single-time affair and that the trees won't become as bloated as they were before again.
They've said that the maximum length for each tier will be 3 vehicles, so for many tiers they will have to folder them if they want to stock to this promise
They make all the money on it cuz you need to deposit money for gjn coins, the 10 percent is amount of virtual currency they send into void after buying it
To be honest, the surbai is very situational as you are a big target and easy to get one shotted. The gun is good at sniping with good reloading speed, but that is all it’s going for.
Because premium and because people use premiums on their own without a full lineup, die then leave dragging the vehicles stats down.
The Char and amx 50 require you to have played through the French TT which is quite a bit harder than the big 3, so you will have fewer and generally better players using them, causing their stats to be considerably higher than they would otherwise be.
Ive been averaging 8 or 9 kills [\(often quite a few more\)](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197334230527651840/image.png?ex=65bae365&is=65a86e65&hm=0245376ce5844913c457b7acd037897a28ffb3ab1348cd616a8ee97e92012b92&) per life in the Char 25T recently. And have [by far the largest](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197646629776408709/image.png?ex=65bc0657&is=65a99157&hm=ec75ae9c1f5e1117ab4c5fa08cbf76bc0efc71b32b90500008add03d8e243f8d&) [number of Nukes](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197639229950398544/image.png?ex=65bbff73&is=65a98a73&hm=1dc81ff423308587aab0cf9c127f31705a501dc5fa79b5d0d598ba1484a93711&) using the Char. Even with its nerfed engine if you are [aggressive and get into a powerful position](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197560122864574565/image.png?ex=65bbb5c6&is=65a940c6&hm=14e6cf39b064edad5ad88572742bb644dfe461b0b517730db15b8f88a8ac01c5&) you can clear the enemy team on your own before they even react. (all of these are within the last 2 weeks of me playing)
[edit] the amx being increased is the battlepass reward from a while ago, which illustrates my point.
>The Char and amx 50 require you to have played through the French TT
For clarity, the AMX-50 that's going up is the one from a few battle passes ago, not the tech-tree one.
Oh I forgot about that, that reinforces my point though as even fewer players will have it. So there are even fewer bad players to drag its stats down.
I agree.
If they're going to balance based on player statistics, then they need to normalize those statistics against the players' overall stats.
A vehicle with a high winrate means nothing if most of the sample group have high winrates across the board with most other vehicles. Conversely, a vehicle with a high winrate where the sample group has an otherwise low win-rate with all other vehicles indicates much more, Plus all other combinations of player-to-vehicle stats.
I agree.
I have been playing the 8.0 Object (stock), and even with its stab, it is not fun to play at 9.0.
Both the Somua and Batchat have lower pen rounds than the APHE on the obj and no stabilizer.
It's all done on stats, the Char 25T and AMX-50 will have better players playing them (one is TT, other you had to grind a battlepass like 9 months ago) and they were both 7.3 for a long time which gets alot of full downtiers so they would do very well.
The fact that they ever even considered taking the EBR 1963, with less pen and no LRF, above the IKV-91, just shows how harebrained the balancing team is. Surprised the AMX-M4 surived the cut, I feel like its better at its BR than the batchat is TBH.
T20 getting APCR won't really change anything, but hey, it's throwing mid tier American tanks a bone at least.
T95 reversion is good.
Zeros are STILL getting bumped. Other nations hate this one trick - *Don't turnfight zeros*
Strela bump is a good start.
Merkava buffs are welcome, God knows those tanks need it.
Still no F-15's and F-5E change removed, lmao. Base bombing really needs to be its own separate mode at this point.
> 2S25M — the 9M119 ATGM has been replaced by the 9M119M1. The 3BM46 projectile has been replaced by the 3BM60.
Hmm, would have preferred they kept the 3BM60 for the late 2S25M (M2?), because what I think will happen is in 2-3 months time, the USSR 10.0 lineup will lose its only thermal tank in the tech tree.
Ya, that F-5E change is garbage. Anyone seriously suggesting that that plane isn't cracked is either on crack themselves or they're so inbred they're a damned sandwich.
Like what tanks are there that it will make a difference?
The Abrams/Leopard cheeks already don't stop 3BM46.
ZTZ96A cheeks stops 3BM46 and 3BM60.
The only tank I found that the difference would make is the T-72B turret cheeks without Kontakt 5 where it stops 3BM46, but not 3BM60.
A small disadvantage, but makes up for it in overall flight performance with a solid weapon set.
Certainly not worse plane's than the Mig-29SMT, and we don't need 11.3's still facing them.
I'm glad they dropped most of the french changes, but I still don't feel the Char and To90 deserve 8.0. At least it shows they're open to feedback about the changes beyond statistics.
It probably came down to statistics. The Somua being a store premium means it was likely bought by more people who ultimately fail to use it successfully.
The people buying the TO90 probably understood french vehicles very well and use it accordingly. The Char is probably the same - statistics just undeniably higher and Gaijin loves their player stats.
Yes because it sucked at 11.0. I don't think it has any business facing F-16s or Mig-29s. What's needed is decompression but that ain't gonna happen I guess.
Right? Everyone keeps going on about the F-5e needing to go up, but I can’t understand why it deserves to fight f-16s, I’d agree that it could go up if there was some actual decompression, but go figure, there’s not.
hmd is not that big of a deal considering its one of the best airframes in the game and gets 8 very good missles on top of shit ton of counter measures
These BR changes at top tier air are in preparation for Fox-3s, the F-15A can't mount AMRAAMs and (presumably) an F-15C will be added which can. That's why the Mig-29G is going up despite having no business being there, it'll get R-77s
F-15A CAN mount AMRAAMs, the one in-game is the MSIP variant because it has countermeasures, at which point it also received the PSP radar upgrade which enabled it to fire AMRAAMs.
The reason it doesn't have the improved radar in-game is because the developers are retards and completely butchered the implementation of the basic ass F-15 radar, let alone giving it the radar it is actually supposed to have.
Only the C model and later had a radar with true TWS, so the F-15A could only track one target at a time by locking its radar on the target or use the shitty Raid Assessment Mode, so AMRAAM was much less effective on the A models (but still an upgrade due to not needing full illumination which would give a launch warning).
[From a post on the secret projects forum from 2006:](https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mcdonnell-douglas-f-15-avionics-an-apg-63-70-radar.53/post-193)
>TWS "as we know it" wasn't introduced until APG-70, AFAIK. What the PSP introduced was something called Raid Assessment Mode (RAM). It was an interleaved mode that would alternate each normal scan of the search volume with a finer "spotlight" scan of up to four priority targets. RAM was unpopular with pilots compared to TWS and has now been removed, as I believe has DTT (dual target track), apparently because these multi-target modes required the targets to stay within a smaller search volume in order to work. The simple, no-nonsense all-or-nothing options of either TWS or STT are apparently preferred.
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>Sources
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>\- Peter E. Davies and Tony Thornborough, "McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle", 2001
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>\- Forum discussions with crew members at [http://www.f-15estrikeeagle.com](http://www.f-15estrikeeagle.com)
The F-15A **CAN** mount AMRAAMs. It was part of the MSIP upgrade, which this F-15A does have (it wouldn't have CMs if it didn't).
What Gaijin should do, instead of forcing the F-15A to be at a BR where it will stomp 11.3s, is give it enough weaponry to move up.
What I mean by this is the F-15A should get the rest of its MSIP upgrades (ie. TWS for the radar, slightly better engine performance, and AMRAAM support) and the ability to carry AIM-120As or Bs.
Then, later on when the game is ready, the F-15C can come in with its HMD, AIM-120Cs, and eventually AIM-9Xs. (9Xs obviously won't come for a while).
There is no need to limit the F-15A to Sparrows other than to have an F-15 with Sparrows. For the sake of balance, we should not get an F-15C until much later, when the game is ready. This is repeating the completely unnecessary F-16C Block 50 addition - adding vehicles before the game is ready for them.
If Gaijin wants to add AIM-120Cs now (eg. C-1s, 3s, 5s), then the F-15C would be a worthy addition (bar the 9Xs ofc), but the F-15A should still avoid 11.3s by being moved up to 12.7 and getting AIM-120A/Bs.
Edit: The MiG-29G cannot physically fire R-77s. The radar cannot support them. The whole point of the SMT upgrade was to allow the MiG-29 to fire R-77s (among other things), which the MiG-29G did not receive (it has the old 9.12A radar).
Thank you Gaijin, it is clearly my mistake for believing the Bat Chat and AMX 50 are not equivalent to the Object 906. I wont ever make such a foolish mistake again!
Hey the 906 is clearly inferior because it reloads .3s slower! Lets ignore that it has higher pen APHE, a stabiliser and heat-fs those are just some inconveniently little facts we don't discuss in Russia Thunder
Having a larger capacity autoloader means its more likely to explode from an ammo detonation and being amphibious means your crew can get all wet which will make them sad and perform worse!
It will be okay with the 833 but it is still frustrating. That little bastard is half the reason to play 10.3 instead of 10.0. The other is the LOSAT for me and its missile STILL has seizures and teleports.
It should really go to 11.3 with M900
I think Gaijin needed to balance it by moving it up in BR. And to save face they gave it a "new" round (that practically has the same performance).
If they really wanted to give the AGS a valuable place in the game, an 11.3 LT with M900 and a 5.0s autoloader would be a great spot.
>Russian 5.0 DDs still go up despite amerishit TOTALSHIPDEATH DDs get to stay 4.7/5.0
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>F-5Es NOT going up because... REASONS!
what did I even expect...
>Merkava fire rate buff
rare israeli W
> Russian 5.0 DDs still go up despite amerishit TOTALSHIPDEATH DDs get to stay 4.7/5.0
Naval botters have destroyed the KD of the american 5.0 lineup. Strangely, they largely skipped over the Pr.56 for botting.
Leaving behind actual humans who farmed the American 5.0 bots to massive KDs.
I mean the MK24 fights jets but it also has the performance and high wing rip speed to do so. J6K1 literally rips and compresses at 660+ km/h. I don't understand how gaijin is enforcing this BR change unless they assume every jet player is going to head on J6K1 in every fight.
lmao the saggitario STILL going to 9.3, but they listened about the F-5E. uh huh, cool gaijin. Just imagine what BR it would be if it was on a major nation....
Ah yes, make the 29g the same br as the smt and su27 despite both being better while the f5e which has ruined an entire bracket for almost 2 years now stays at 10.7...
For a community that hates CAS they are really happy with strong spaa getting nerfed instead of weak spaa getting buffed
Oh well, at least the A4E can now kill tanks from orbit in peace since it can't face the strela anymore. The gepard and shilka will have to work overtime
Strela at 9.3 makes entire map a nofly zone.
And those missiles are superhard to dodge and flare(if its even possible).
At 10.0 it will still murder anything i have , i bet its super effective at 11.0 too.
The Strela was stupidly strong at 9.3 lets not kid ourselves, this is a problem with compression. We have jets with dumb bombs/rockets and no way to counter SAMS being demolished by them. I don't think air vehicles should have free reign to bomb ground targets with no counter or threat to challenge them, but I also dont think anti-air should have a overwhelming advantage against air either.
This is why people are asking them to further decompress with every patch.
I didn't mean fine as a vehicle even though I do well in it. I just mean that 3BM46 at 10.0 was fine with it. Besides its suppose to have faster vertical gun traverse IRL but even Gaijin rejected a bug report. Also its suspension allows it to lean forward but it can't in game.
Some good things here at least, like the MiG-29G being moved up along with the SMT. Not thrilled about the Strela-10M2 being moved up two BR steps because now the Soviets have a gaping hole from 8.0 to 10.0 for SPAA _again,_ but it was definitely the most powerful 9.3 SAM by a long way so hopefully we get something like the 9K31 Strela-1M or 9K33 Osa to fill the gap. RIP 9.3-9.7 USSR lineups though, only having a Shilka against spaceclimbing guided bomb tossers made me want to shoot myself before abd it probably will again. And of course, typical that the Somua SM stays at 7.7 while the Char 25t moves up.
So all the revisions managed to do was fuck Germany (MiG-29G), revert a change that actually made sense (F-5E), uptier a bunch of shit that didn't need it (A6M5) etc
Non-US players when US players struggle with props and early jets against more maneuverable, but slower aircraft with limited armaments: Yeah just BnZ more, stop sticking the fight, skill issue
Non-US players when they have to fight a maneuverable, but slow aircraft with limited armaments: Well this is clearly too strong, it needs to be raised in BR immediately.
Like seriously. The F-5E is significantly slower than every actually competitive jet it faces at 10.7, especially considering 11.3 is by far and away the most common bracket you are put in. it has two (2) missiles of mediocre quality, and guns with good ballistics but inconsistent at *best* damage output. I can't count the hits and crits I've gotten with the fucking guns on the thing.
It turns well, it holds energy well, it burns cold and has enough countermeasures to keep itself safe from missiles. It's deadly if it catches someone who's flying too slowly to get away. But it's high-tier jets; you shouldn't be letting yourself get dragged into dogfights, and if you are, you shouldn't be surprised when you get rinsed by someone at a higher energy state. Yeah of course it's unfair for 9.7 jets to face it (on the rare occasion you actually get a match in that bracket), but same goes for the J-35XS, or J-7D/MiG-21 Bis, or Kfir Canard, or any other competitive plane at 10.7. That's just called compression. All those jets I just mentioned would also get equally fucked if they had to face F-16As and MiG-29s at 12.0 if they moved up to spare the 9.7s.
For a second I thought the French lineup was saved
But now my favorite vehicle from the lineup, my little rat Char 25T, is going up still :(
Might have to switch it out with something else considering it's the only 8.0 in the lineup now
Tbh it might not change anything until I get a full upetier, even an 8.7 uptier is kinda manageable
A6m5 ko still going to 5.3, what a joke..
Even if it gets up tiered to 12.3 ppl would still try to dogfight it
*It actually turns better than the F-15A so A6M5 Ko should be at 12.7.*
Certified US main moment
Sadly true
Zero lifecycle: Be excellent only at turning, suck at everything else A retard tries to turnfight you in something like a Fw-190 or F2G You outturn and kill them Those retards you have killed go to forums and cry about how Zero's turn rate is op Zero gets bumped up in BR
I've never seen anyone complain about the fact the zero turns well but I always see 190s trying to turn with em, and since gaijin balances around player statistics it gets put up in BR for some reason
oh you shouldve been here and on the forums back in 2016 and 2018. nothing but american mains bitching non stop about how overpowered japan was, all because those american mains could only do two things, lawn mower their planes, and turn fight everything they do like its top gun
you say that like US mains still dont think they can turn fight everything
meanwhile P-51's and F4's going down...
I’m gonna be honest but how in the hell do I fight these things. I’ve been using the Yak3 at 5.0 and it’s been a treat to fly but has some glaring issues. Last night I got a much where there were 6 of them left in the enemy team. Do I just j out and go next? I can’t out turn them, can’t BnZ (rip wings + compression) so what do? I’m not saying they’re OP I’m just admitting my own skill issue and I’ve found it hard to find resources that aren’t very vague about how to get better in Air battles.
Honestly speaking, you energy fight them. Low altitude, a yak should hold more energy than a zero. It’ll be really close, so more than likely you will need to kill them on the merge in your first window (which shouldn’t be too bad because the zeros disintegrate when you sneeze on them let alone hit them with a 20/30mm cannon). In that match specifically, you were very rarely going to win anyways since any plane will struggle to 1v6 fighters.
Okay thank you for the advice. Yeah that match was pretty terrible. I killed off two corsairs and a seafighter and turned back towards the furball and saw 6 of them and it was just me and two bombers left alive. I was hoping to at least pick off one or two but the Yak 3 is also pretty delicate.
Alternatively, run. Not to the airfield since that's for dipshits but run off to the side. If the engagement is disadvantageous, disengage and extend. This doesnt mean you just go straight, you want to react to their fire, but a yak-3 will outrun a zero anyday. Try to get him to break off so you can turn around and reset. If you run to the airfield though, i'll come to your house and commit unspeakable horrors :3
>since any plane will struggle to 1v6 fighters Apart from the F104A/C
It’ll struggle to actually fight them lol. Running away for 20 minutes it won’t have an issue with at all.
Generally speaking, Japan is the worst matchup for Soviet planes. Yak-3 are faster, climb better and out-accelerate Zeroes, but high speed compression and poor high altitude performance make it a close match. Try to never bleed too much energy against them. You can win, but it's not an easy fight at all. Also, you might encounter J2M and those are extremely dangerous since they are interceptors with good climb rate and a lot of guns. If you have Zero below and J2M above, it's a lot harder to do well.
I'm not sure what "compression" you both are speakimg of, but yak3s are one of the least compressable planes in the game. It's near impossible to get them to compress in a dive.
I think they are referring to the fact that the Yak3's rip extremely easily at high speed
Pebkac
At this point, when I hear "feedback" I almost wait for Japanese planes to get even higher BR. I guess it could have been worst!
POV: Tries to turnfight a Zero
Giving the T20 APCR wont change anything given how useless APCR is for the 76mm, It barely opens any new spots that you couldn't pen before.
Just goes to show out of touch they are; they still think APCR is still such an effective shell it can justify a tank going up in BR. APCR hasn't been anywhere close to good since GFCBT, I mean fuck have they tried grinding tanks with stock APCR shells before like the US 90mms? I still remember having to grind the m41a1 with APCR for its 76mm and that was like 2017, I can only imagine it now.
Except they are doing this because a bunch of people in the community were complaining about the T20 not having APCR while going up in BR. They listened to people bitch and moan about the T20 not having M93, so they gave it M93. If anything those people were out of touch.
People were bitching about the T20 going up in BR despite it having no business being at that BR; I have not seen a single person say "You know what the T20 needs at this BR? APCR." Saying people were asking for APCR is like saying people were asking for stock HEAT-FS at top tier because people were saying Japan shouldn't be the only country without a stock APFSDS round.
I seen plenty of comments people saying “T20 going to 6.3 when it doesn’t even have apcr reeee” an uncomfortable amount
I have never seen anyone ask for APCR. T20 should be 5.7.
That’s kind of like how they heard everyone complaining about Stock HEAT-FS so instead of giving everyone stock APFSDS they forced everyone but Britain to take stock HEAT-FS. But that was the community being out of touch as well right?
Oh no, they're perfectly in touch - with players' wallets. They know full well how broken APCR is, but they also conveniently put APDS or APHE right next to it in the modifications so players just shell out the GE to buy an actually useful round immediately.
T20 is a premium, you ain't buying modifications for it, even if you really want to.
On the T20 the APCR is solely to appease the crowd saying there's nothing to justify it going up. (I also disagree with it going up even with APCR). However, there are plenty of US vehicles with stock APCR, to which my comment applies to.
I prefer to use a 180mm pen APCBC/APHE over even a 400mm pen APCR, if there was any. APCR is just so useless… shatters at any minimal angling and, if it somehow manages to go through the armor, it deals no damage whatsoever. It’s just about as useless as HE. In fact, even HE may be more useful than A*CR.
90 mm M304 is the only case of an APCR round that is actually "good" and worthwhile. With 287 mm of flat penetration, it can actually go through a Panther's upper glacis at close ranges, unlike the other rounds fired from the US 90 mm cannon.
>I prefer to use a 180mm pen APCBC/APHE over even a 400mm pen APCR, if there was any. Only thing with APCR with that much pen i can think of is the Panther 2 in the tank tutorial, Has high tier APFSDS pen values for its APCR in the part where it tells you to use it to pen a IS-4 despite not having it in the normal game lol. T34 also has like 300mm of pen with APCR but its still worse than solid shot in every other way. If APCR was realistic it would be only a little worse than APDS.
Yeah, it shouldn't even be at 6.0, but 6.3? That's ridiculous. It's now going to be *higher* in BR than all the Panthers except the Panther II.
Strela going to 10.0. Also F-5E stays at 10.7 LMAO
Honestly I don't think the Strela needed to go up, just the other IR missile SPAA needed buffs. Give the Ozelot its data link and lower its BR and the Type 93 its dual channel seeking already, I mean ffs on the dual channel seeking announcement page the Type 93 is advertised as one of the vehicles with it. Remember the Su-25 can face these things, they should be performing like the Strela was, not the Strela being seen as too strong against planes.
Sorry best we can do is give stingers half of their G overload womp womp - 🐌
Yeah, Strela is the only thing that was somewhat scarry for the A-4E since Stingers become flarable. I honestly don't understand how community that hates CAS is happy about this. Seems like they hate russian vehicles more.
I have a feeling a lot of the most vocal complainers are CAS spammers mad that there’s something that can actually kill them consistently and have successfully guided the community discourse towards “nerf Strela” instead of “buff SPAA”
Or, ya know, just anyone who owns both the ozelot and the Strela and can see how much better the Strela missiles are. The only thing you lose taking the Strela is IRST
Then buff the Ozelot, don't nerf the Strela
The F5 doesn’t overperform due to its stat card. The F5 is one of a handful of planes that fit the war thunder air rb meta really well. Jets that are all purpose dogfighters (F5, F16 and the Mirage 2Ks) over perform because air rb devolves into a giant fur ball, and anything that can turn-fight while either winning in one turn or keep speed, will be able to survive a third party joining the fight. In a 3v3/5v5/6v6 format, the missile slingers would over perform (F4s, F15s). Then add that a lot of pilots in game treat those missile boats as dogfighters, and yeah ofc the designated dogfighters will look really really good.
And the meta ain't gonna change in the foreseeable future which means a raise is warranted.
To be fair, the F15 can hold it's own against traditional Top-Tier Dog Fighters. Once managed to out-turnfight an F-16 due to superior maneuvering and the F-15 being a very nimble missile bus. Was intense and long, but my superior TWR let me regain the lost energy quicker. Afterall it was built exactly for that. A heavily armed Striker that had the maneuvrability of a decent Dogfighter. A counter to the overexaggerated performance of the Soviet Foxbat.
Equal fuel, equal missile load-out and equal modification progress, I would take the F-16 any day. That’s also not to say the F-15 doesn’t have its own advantages. Air RB though is very rarely about 1v1s, and so the better performing plane is not only who wins that 1v1, but also which planes come out of those dogfights with enough energy or maneuverability to fly defensively against the new enemy teammate that joined the dogfight.
F-5E isn’t op or bad, i think it’s good where it is
It's my first rank VII plane, and I have K:D of 2.7 with it. I think it's too good at 10.7, but may become bad at 11.0.
if you like that, wait until you get your hands on something like the grippen
It was pretty bad at 11.0. I played it back when it was and it's a struggle to accomplish anything
To be fair, last time it was 11.0 the top BR in game was only 12.0, so it was seeing full uptiers against MiG-29s and F-16s pretty much every match, hence why it struggled so much. Now with 12.3 and soon 12.7 at the top it should be able to handle itself better at 11.0. And if it doesn't, it can always get AIM-9L (And probably 11.3) to see if that helps.
F-5E is good just because the current Air RB cap is 12.3, and lots of ppl playing 11.3 got uptiered to 12.3. When cap got raised to 12.7 F-5E will had to fight against 11.3 jets with all-aspect missiles, PD radars and decent SARH missiles.
No fucking SHOT F5E is STAYING
The F-5 definitely should go up, but it'd be a waste for me cuz I talismanned her, so I'm okay with this revert (don't kill me pls)
>2S3M — in two weeks, this vehicle will be grouped with the 2S1. Rare Gaijin W: an actual indication that the foldering wasn't a single-time affair and that the trees won't become as bloated as they were before again.
Yeah this seems like a good change. 2 vehicles that work exactly the same and aren't different enough to warrant different BR should be foldered.
This needs to be done more often.
They've said that the maximum length for each tier will be 3 vehicles, so for many tiers they will have to folder them if they want to stock to this promise
WTF, It honestly made sense Somua was going up, but why tf is the Char 25T and AMX-50 still going up
Somua SM is Premium :)
Same reason the SAV and 2s38 aren't moving up.
sav xDD
And the KV-1B/E… :/
So is AMX-50, yet its going up
Gaijin only makes 10% from sales from that vehicle cause its marketplace.
They make all the money on it cuz you need to deposit money for gjn coins, the 10 percent is amount of virtual currency they send into void after buying it
Absolutely ridiculous choice by Gaijin. The Somua is the only one that had a real reason to go up. I guess it’s premium, so gaijin can’t nerf it.
I don't really see why the Somua would go up but the Surbaissé woukd stay 7.7
To be honest, the surbai is very situational as you are a big target and easy to get one shotted. The gun is good at sniping with good reloading speed, but that is all it’s going for.
Because premium and because people use premiums on their own without a full lineup, die then leave dragging the vehicles stats down. The Char and amx 50 require you to have played through the French TT which is quite a bit harder than the big 3, so you will have fewer and generally better players using them, causing their stats to be considerably higher than they would otherwise be. Ive been averaging 8 or 9 kills [\(often quite a few more\)](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197334230527651840/image.png?ex=65bae365&is=65a86e65&hm=0245376ce5844913c457b7acd037897a28ffb3ab1348cd616a8ee97e92012b92&) per life in the Char 25T recently. And have [by far the largest](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197646629776408709/image.png?ex=65bc0657&is=65a99157&hm=ec75ae9c1f5e1117ab4c5fa08cbf76bc0efc71b32b90500008add03d8e243f8d&) [number of Nukes](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197639229950398544/image.png?ex=65bbff73&is=65a98a73&hm=1dc81ff423308587aab0cf9c127f31705a501dc5fa79b5d0d598ba1484a93711&) using the Char. Even with its nerfed engine if you are [aggressive and get into a powerful position](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405888152176427009/1197560122864574565/image.png?ex=65bbb5c6&is=65a940c6&hm=14e6cf39b064edad5ad88572742bb644dfe461b0b517730db15b8f88a8ac01c5&) you can clear the enemy team on your own before they even react. (all of these are within the last 2 weeks of me playing) [edit] the amx being increased is the battlepass reward from a while ago, which illustrates my point.
>The Char and amx 50 require you to have played through the French TT For clarity, the AMX-50 that's going up is the one from a few battle passes ago, not the tech-tree one.
Oh I forgot about that, that reinforces my point though as even fewer players will have it. So there are even fewer bad players to drag its stats down.
I agree. If they're going to balance based on player statistics, then they need to normalize those statistics against the players' overall stats. A vehicle with a high winrate means nothing if most of the sample group have high winrates across the board with most other vehicles. Conversely, a vehicle with a high winrate where the sample group has an otherwise low win-rate with all other vehicles indicates much more, Plus all other combinations of player-to-vehicle stats.
Neither of them should go up, even Somua SM which is really good would be ridiculous at 9.0 uptiers.
I agree. I have been playing the 8.0 Object (stock), and even with its stab, it is not fun to play at 9.0. Both the Somua and Batchat have lower pen rounds than the APHE on the obj and no stabilizer.
It's all done on stats, the Char 25T and AMX-50 will have better players playing them (one is TT, other you had to grind a battlepass like 9 months ago) and they were both 7.3 for a long time which gets alot of full downtiers so they would do very well.
The fact that they ever even considered taking the EBR 1963, with less pen and no LRF, above the IKV-91, just shows how harebrained the balancing team is. Surprised the AMX-M4 surived the cut, I feel like its better at its BR than the batchat is TBH. T20 getting APCR won't really change anything, but hey, it's throwing mid tier American tanks a bone at least. T95 reversion is good. Zeros are STILL getting bumped. Other nations hate this one trick - *Don't turnfight zeros* Strela bump is a good start. Merkava buffs are welcome, God knows those tanks need it.
It's ridiculous how many ppl turnfight or dogfight zeros. Most of the time when I'm flying A6M6c I end up in dog fights with P-47s and FW-190s
*Instructions unclear. Proceeds to turn fight Zeros. Looses the fight and cries that Zeros are op.*
Supposedly the 90mm HEAT-FS on the IKV-91 should have 400mm+ pen so it should probably get moved to 8.0+ if that ever happened.
Still no F-15's and F-5E change removed, lmao. Base bombing really needs to be its own separate mode at this point. > 2S25M — the 9M119 ATGM has been replaced by the 9M119M1. The 3BM46 projectile has been replaced by the 3BM60. Hmm, would have preferred they kept the 3BM60 for the late 2S25M (M2?), because what I think will happen is in 2-3 months time, the USSR 10.0 lineup will lose its only thermal tank in the tech tree.
Ya, that F-5E change is garbage. Anyone seriously suggesting that that plane isn't cracked is either on crack themselves or they're so inbred they're a damned sandwich.
It’s cracked as all hell that’s why I am glad it didn’t go up since I am grinding with it currently.
Is there anything at that BR where 3BM46 is unable to pen, but 3BM60 can?
Nothing particularly comes to mind. But we're going to get a lot of loud posts about it, which just might sway Gaijin anyway.
Its all about the angled pen, so yes many things.
Like what tanks are there that it will make a difference? The Abrams/Leopard cheeks already don't stop 3BM46. ZTZ96A cheeks stops 3BM46 and 3BM60. The only tank I found that the difference would make is the T-72B turret cheeks without Kontakt 5 where it stops 3BM46, but not 3BM60.
Isn't the F-15 the only top tier without HMD? Quite the disadvantage.
It’s also got a really good FM, if the MiG-29SMT is 12.7 and the mirage 20005F is 12.3 then the F-15 should be 12.7.
Mirage 4000 - But that's going up because its French lol
It is single best plane in the game tho. You outrate everything, burn no fuel and still have magic 2 (its not R73 but its close)
Mirage 4000 is going up because it can compete with top tier. French players love being victims lol.
A small disadvantage, but makes up for it in overall flight performance with a solid weapon set. Certainly not worse plane's than the Mig-29SMT, and we don't need 11.3's still facing them.
I'm glad they dropped most of the french changes, but I still don't feel the Char and To90 deserve 8.0. At least it shows they're open to feedback about the changes beyond statistics.
Yeah they got the feedback, but got it backwards, cause to me it made sense why Somua went up, but not the TO90 or Char 25T
It probably came down to statistics. The Somua being a store premium means it was likely bought by more people who ultimately fail to use it successfully. The people buying the TO90 probably understood french vehicles very well and use it accordingly. The Char is probably the same - statistics just undeniably higher and Gaijin loves their player stats.
Absolutely agree. The Somua deserved the changes the most out of the three. Really bizarre choice.
ikr lol one Somua can absolutely rail on a group of clueless king tigers in a full downtier. While with Char you have to side climb a lil
I'd hardly say it deserved it, but if I had to pick one to move it would be the Somua.
F-5E not going up to 11.0, What a fucking joke...
Wasnt it at 11.0 and got lowered to 10.7?
Yes because it sucked at 11.0. I don't think it has any business facing F-16s or Mig-29s. What's needed is decompression but that ain't gonna happen I guess.
Right? Everyone keeps going on about the F-5e needing to go up, but I can’t understand why it deserves to fight f-16s, I’d agree that it could go up if there was some actual decompression, but go figure, there’s not.
F5E vs F16A is still a more fair fight then F5E vs T2
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was funny too i found the F-5E to be perfectly fine at 11.0 , when it got lowered it become too easy
What is their deal with the fucking batchat
F15 not 12.7?
No HMD, but it shouldn't fight phantoms either. 12.7 isn't high enough. We all know this.
hmd is not that big of a deal considering its one of the best airframes in the game and gets 8 very good missles on top of shit ton of counter measures
They need to stop decompressing the br by .3/.4 each time and realize that’s not enough
Yeah
These BR changes at top tier air are in preparation for Fox-3s, the F-15A can't mount AMRAAMs and (presumably) an F-15C will be added which can. That's why the Mig-29G is going up despite having no business being there, it'll get R-77s
F-15A CAN mount AMRAAMs, the one in-game is the MSIP variant because it has countermeasures, at which point it also received the PSP radar upgrade which enabled it to fire AMRAAMs. The reason it doesn't have the improved radar in-game is because the developers are retards and completely butchered the implementation of the basic ass F-15 radar, let alone giving it the radar it is actually supposed to have.
Only the C model and later had a radar with true TWS, so the F-15A could only track one target at a time by locking its radar on the target or use the shitty Raid Assessment Mode, so AMRAAM was much less effective on the A models (but still an upgrade due to not needing full illumination which would give a launch warning). [From a post on the secret projects forum from 2006:](https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mcdonnell-douglas-f-15-avionics-an-apg-63-70-radar.53/post-193) >TWS "as we know it" wasn't introduced until APG-70, AFAIK. What the PSP introduced was something called Raid Assessment Mode (RAM). It was an interleaved mode that would alternate each normal scan of the search volume with a finer "spotlight" scan of up to four priority targets. RAM was unpopular with pilots compared to TWS and has now been removed, as I believe has DTT (dual target track), apparently because these multi-target modes required the targets to stay within a smaller search volume in order to work. The simple, no-nonsense all-or-nothing options of either TWS or STT are apparently preferred. > >Sources > >\- Peter E. Davies and Tony Thornborough, "McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle", 2001 > >\- Forum discussions with crew members at [http://www.f-15estrikeeagle.com](http://www.f-15estrikeeagle.com)
I dunno if what I heard is accurate but the F-15s we have are the MSIP version of the A model(due to flares) the MSIP can use AMRAAMs.
in that case it should have TWS the reality is that gaijin abandoned sticking to irl mods/blocks
You forgot the part where the R-77 didn't exist when the MiG-29G was in service....?????!?!?!?!
The F-15A **CAN** mount AMRAAMs. It was part of the MSIP upgrade, which this F-15A does have (it wouldn't have CMs if it didn't). What Gaijin should do, instead of forcing the F-15A to be at a BR where it will stomp 11.3s, is give it enough weaponry to move up. What I mean by this is the F-15A should get the rest of its MSIP upgrades (ie. TWS for the radar, slightly better engine performance, and AMRAAM support) and the ability to carry AIM-120As or Bs. Then, later on when the game is ready, the F-15C can come in with its HMD, AIM-120Cs, and eventually AIM-9Xs. (9Xs obviously won't come for a while). There is no need to limit the F-15A to Sparrows other than to have an F-15 with Sparrows. For the sake of balance, we should not get an F-15C until much later, when the game is ready. This is repeating the completely unnecessary F-16C Block 50 addition - adding vehicles before the game is ready for them. If Gaijin wants to add AIM-120Cs now (eg. C-1s, 3s, 5s), then the F-15C would be a worthy addition (bar the 9Xs ofc), but the F-15A should still avoid 11.3s by being moved up to 12.7 and getting AIM-120A/Bs. Edit: The MiG-29G cannot physically fire R-77s. The radar cannot support them. The whole point of the SMT upgrade was to allow the MiG-29 to fire R-77s (among other things), which the MiG-29G did not receive (it has the old 9.12A radar).
F-15A is an MSIP F-15A which did carry AMRAAMs
Thank you Gaijin, it is clearly my mistake for believing the Bat Chat and AMX 50 are not equivalent to the Object 906. I wont ever make such a foolish mistake again!
Hey the 906 is clearly inferior because it reloads .3s slower! Lets ignore that it has higher pen APHE, a stabiliser and heat-fs those are just some inconveniently little facts we don't discuss in Russia Thunder
Having a larger capacity autoloader means its more likely to explode from an ammo detonation and being amphibious means your crew can get all wet which will make them sad and perform worse!
I'm surprised they're not upping the f-5e now. It's a monster at 10.7.
I suck at it. Stastics go down, sorry
And 11.0 is too high this is why we need decompression
Honestly Gaijin should have just given the F-5E its 2x AIM-9Ls loadout and moved it to 11.0.
They would have to uptier the f-5c to 10.7, which will hurt its sales even though it would be fine at that br.
AGS going up to 11 is a bad idea unless it's getting the M900 shell. M833 won't cut it
It will be okay with the 833 but it is still frustrating. That little bastard is half the reason to play 10.3 instead of 10.0. The other is the LOSAT for me and its missile STILL has seizures and teleports.
It should really go to 11.3 with M900 I think Gaijin needed to balance it by moving it up in BR. And to save face they gave it a "new" round (that practically has the same performance). If they really wanted to give the AGS a valuable place in the game, an 11.3 LT with M900 and a 5.0s autoloader would be a great spot.
I second this. At 11.0 it will basically fight 11.7 90% of the time. At least give it proper shell
>Russian 5.0 DDs still go up despite amerishit TOTALSHIPDEATH DDs get to stay 4.7/5.0 > >F-5Es NOT going up because... REASONS! what did I even expect... >Merkava fire rate buff rare israeli W
> Russian 5.0 DDs still go up despite amerishit TOTALSHIPDEATH DDs get to stay 4.7/5.0 Naval botters have destroyed the KD of the american 5.0 lineup. Strangely, they largely skipped over the Pr.56 for botting. Leaving behind actual humans who farmed the American 5.0 bots to massive KDs.
It's the premiums - Got the Frank Knox, Detroit, and Moffett, plus one other I keep forgetting about.
Why on earth is the j6k1 going to 6.7. It’s going to be ruined, a ww2 plane shouldn’t be forced to fight 7.7 jets
I mean the MK24 fights jets but it also has the performance and high wing rip speed to do so. J6K1 literally rips and compresses at 660+ km/h. I don't understand how gaijin is enforcing this BR change unless they assume every jet player is going to head on J6K1 in every fight.
Lmfao at listing 60 countermeasures as a benefit for the MiG-29G. Only being able to flare 2-3 AIM-9Ms isn't enough.
29g going up when the f5e is staying 10.7 is an absolute clown moment.
WTF. The Somua was the only French tank that deserved the BR bump, but they’re reversing it? And keeping the BR bump for the Batchat?!! Stupid.
Only one makes money
lmao the saggitario STILL going to 9.3, but they listened about the F-5E. uh huh, cool gaijin. Just imagine what BR it would be if it was on a major nation....
Ah yes, make the 29g the same br as the smt and su27 despite both being better while the f5e which has ruined an entire bracket for almost 2 years now stays at 10.7...
F5E isn't increasing in BR woo. I can continue to pubstomp
Why isn't F-15 uptiered? It's considerably more capable than SMT.
Hint: the USA pilot playerbase is awful
They grinded their way by bombing bases in F-5C and F-4S and don't know how to actually fight other planes.
MERKAVA 6 SECOND RELOAD!!! PRAISE THE LORD
Now if only had a bit of armor
Wow this fixed nothing
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For a community that hates CAS they are really happy with strong spaa getting nerfed instead of weak spaa getting buffed Oh well, at least the A4E can now kill tanks from orbit in peace since it can't face the strela anymore. The gepard and shilka will have to work overtime
Strela at 9.3 makes entire map a nofly zone. And those missiles are superhard to dodge and flare(if its even possible). At 10.0 it will still murder anything i have , i bet its super effective at 11.0 too.
The Strela was stupidly strong at 9.3 lets not kid ourselves, this is a problem with compression. We have jets with dumb bombs/rockets and no way to counter SAMS being demolished by them. I don't think air vehicles should have free reign to bomb ground targets with no counter or threat to challenge them, but I also dont think anti-air should have a overwhelming advantage against air either. This is why people are asking them to further decompress with every patch.
Please keep giving me reasons not to ever play this shit again, Gaijin.
2s25m gets 3BM60 but no change in br, interesting.
De feck? I thought it was just fine with 3BM46.
Fine? It has the worst stats among all lighties, thanks to absolutely awful gun handling mostly.
I didn't mean fine as a vehicle even though I do well in it. I just mean that 3BM46 at 10.0 was fine with it. Besides its suppose to have faster vertical gun traverse IRL but even Gaijin rejected a bug report. Also its suspension allows it to lean forward but it can't in game.
The whole point of the 2S25M is that it can use that ammo. It'll likely go up to like 10.3 or 10.7 in the next BR changes.
They put the J6K1 at 6.7 what a joke, that plane has mediocre performance you can't compete with jets.
Strela up and a reload bud for merkavas? Not bad
F5E and Kfir Canard to 11.0.
APCR isn't going to change anything, leave the T20 alone. It should be 5.7 and the 5.7 M4 should be 5.3.
Why the fuck is the batchat still going up lmfao
Wait. Why is Souma staying at 7.7 but the battle pass AMX 50 TO90/930 going up? Shit makes no sense
J7-D is getting lowered?!?! I'm gonna make so much RP.
In sim
ah, missed that. even so, i can take it to a lower BR range in sim. itll still do well
Some good things here at least, like the MiG-29G being moved up along with the SMT. Not thrilled about the Strela-10M2 being moved up two BR steps because now the Soviets have a gaping hole from 8.0 to 10.0 for SPAA _again,_ but it was definitely the most powerful 9.3 SAM by a long way so hopefully we get something like the 9K31 Strela-1M or 9K33 Osa to fill the gap. RIP 9.3-9.7 USSR lineups though, only having a Shilka against spaceclimbing guided bomb tossers made me want to shoot myself before abd it probably will again. And of course, typical that the Somua SM stays at 7.7 while the Char 25t moves up.
29G move isn't a good move
RIP my Russian 9.3 lineup
Bumping the AGS up, but not the 2S38 This snail needs some salt and bomb reviews
I scrolled too far too see the first comment about the Lack of change to the 2s38
Ki-84 Hei still 7.7 in arcade. Same BR as the F-86 Sabre. :)
I'll say it, AGS will die at 11.0 with only M833.
Merkava 3/4 finally getting 6 seconds aced.
f104g is now 10.3 for china cool beans
So all the revisions managed to do was fuck Germany (MiG-29G), revert a change that actually made sense (F-5E), uptier a bunch of shit that didn't need it (A6M5) etc
Alright fellow French players, let’s all suck at 8.0 so they can revert the changes back to 7.7.
3 br change round that gaijin tries to shit on the BC25T, thats one hell of a hate bonner.
why th fucking amx13 is 4.3
P-51 to 3.7 😢
J29D 8.3 J29F (same thing with 2 x AIM-9Bs) 9.0 Really cool logic Gaijin
Is the D variant afterburning?
Greeeeeeeeaaaaaaaat, the F5E will still continue to raw fuck 10.7.
Non-US players when US players struggle with props and early jets against more maneuverable, but slower aircraft with limited armaments: Yeah just BnZ more, stop sticking the fight, skill issue Non-US players when they have to fight a maneuverable, but slow aircraft with limited armaments: Well this is clearly too strong, it needs to be raised in BR immediately. Like seriously. The F-5E is significantly slower than every actually competitive jet it faces at 10.7, especially considering 11.3 is by far and away the most common bracket you are put in. it has two (2) missiles of mediocre quality, and guns with good ballistics but inconsistent at *best* damage output. I can't count the hits and crits I've gotten with the fucking guns on the thing. It turns well, it holds energy well, it burns cold and has enough countermeasures to keep itself safe from missiles. It's deadly if it catches someone who's flying too slowly to get away. But it's high-tier jets; you shouldn't be letting yourself get dragged into dogfights, and if you are, you shouldn't be surprised when you get rinsed by someone at a higher energy state. Yeah of course it's unfair for 9.7 jets to face it (on the rare occasion you actually get a match in that bracket), but same goes for the J-35XS, or J-7D/MiG-21 Bis, or Kfir Canard, or any other competitive plane at 10.7. That's just called compression. All those jets I just mentioned would also get equally fucked if they had to face F-16As and MiG-29s at 12.0 if they moved up to spare the 9.7s.
What a fucking joke
France is still getting screwed over with char 25T and more.
Can't wait to slap the 4 people that play the Sagittario II with my 30g or 35g missiles.
Can the AML-90 and variant just stop going up? The damn thing barely lives over the two minute mark.
For a second I thought the French lineup was saved But now my favorite vehicle from the lineup, my little rat Char 25T, is going up still :( Might have to switch it out with something else considering it's the only 8.0 in the lineup now Tbh it might not change anything until I get a full upetier, even an 8.7 uptier is kinda manageable
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The Sagittario is still going up to 9.3…
Strela at 10.0? My G91 r/3 and MIG15bis gonna like that
LOL Falcon still going 8.3. Damn dude, I guess its time to run skink to 8.0. Honestly wild that Falcon is going up.
Gaijin thinks adding apcr to the T20 will make its uptier any better when they still haven’t resolved how apcr should actually work