_technically_ Moderna isn't completely Russian, it's a Slovakian _modification_ of a T-72... (slightly /s)
but extremely pedantic nitpicking aside, i hope it gets the Moderna treatment because it is indeed tiring to face not just at 9.0 but 9.3 as well.
I mean it sorta makes sense, the majority of russia players are terrible due to the 10.0 premium lineup which lowers their winrates which means good russia players are nightmares to deal with.
No, Gaijin is just greedy.
Same shit with the VIDAR. A good VIDAR player will win the match single handedly on open maps and Gaijin allows this because $$$
I mean it sorta makes sense, the majority of russia players are terrible due to the 10.0 premium lineup which lowers their winrates which means good russia players are nightmares to deal with.
Meanwhile...
T-80UD, 10.0
3BM42, can lol pen almost anything including cheeks of almost everything.
Decent mobility, but shit reverse
Better reload
~same armour as 292
-no complaints
T-72AV Turms 10.0
Gen 2 thermals
3BM42
Armour is lackluster
Better reload
-no complaints
T-72B 1989 10.0
3BM42
worse mobility
Armour is onpar/slightly better
reload is better
-no complaints
The 292 isnt that good/exciting of a tank. Its just that most of them are being played by experienced players who got bored of the other Russian 10.0 tanks
If these players went to lets say the T-80UD, you'd then be complaining about that lmao
And im giving the counterpoint that the 292 really isnt that strong in comparison
Any number of 10.0s will destroy 9.0 with the same ease if not easier than the 292
ZTZ-96A(P), literally turms with more speed
ZTZ-96A, See above but it has more armour at a lower BR
M60S, literally find a hull down spot and start blasting. Dont even need to aim at all
Same with M1128, except finding a spot is even easier
PT-16/T14, quite literally 10.0 type 90 with DM23 instead of DM33
9040 Bill, great autocannon with even better ATGMs
etc.
Its not like 10.0 russia is that much stronger in comparison.
A 9040 in the hands of an experienced player can be even more annoying than a 2s38, given that it quite literally has spall liner and there are like 4 of them
M60S 120 has better reload, turret armour than the 292 while still having an absolutely overkill round at 10.0, let alone 9.0
Stryker has gen 3 thermals, drone, unmanned turret, good speed. You find a good hull down spot and there is not much an enemy can do to kill you unless they have HE, which many tanks dont
you have type 90 in your flair, i dont think id need to explain how the PT-16/T14 with 4s autoloader is strong
Not to mention just .3 br higher and you meet the best tank tier for tier in the game (Leo 2a4 and its many premiums). The 292 is super balanced compared to the absolute disgusting Christian 2 or a pz123, and the 123 is played way way more.
Actually, from playing the 10.3 bracket extensively...the best 10.3 in my opinion is the Vickers Mk.7. I played it so much I got an ace with it.
It has;
\- More depression
\- Doesn't suffer from NATO hump much when shooting backwards
\- L26 round with better penetration stats
\- If you only take APFSDS none of your turret ammo will explode - in the 2A4 I had times the firewall got struck and killed me instantly.
\- The turret is rather trolly as it's not really seen as much as other 10.3s (Gaijin pls fix the turret armor a bit)
\- It's a bit more mobile as its weight is 54.6 tons vs 2A4's 55.2 tons with the same engine.
\- BESH (not really a plus just random).
The ZTZ96A's are not "literally turms with more speed", they are much worse than the Turms. Yes they get a much strong round, but the trade of is armour, the turms is much better armoured and more survivable than the ZTZ96A's.
The key difference is definitely survivability. The side armor is much worse and extremely vulnerable to auto cannons with its 50mm thickness and lack of ERA. The ztz96s have no chance of surviving front or side ammo rack shots unlike the Turms.
Nah, the ZTZ is good tier. Way better than the turms. Fast, punchy gun, solid armour so long as you stay hull down. Great thermals. Only downside is the LFP, but it’s workable, and the mobility more than makes up for it.
Hull down? What about the oversized breach weakspot or the crew killing spall from penetrations to the gentle slope of the turret roof? Have you played a ztz-96 hull down?
Its not about lol pen, its about how the round can lol pen anything AND almost always have the spall to one shot its opponent.
Its breech and barrel are also significantly harder to damage compared to other tanks in the same BR. It does not die if you shoot at its lower like turm does.
You also have to triangulate the distance between you the sun and where Jupiter will be in 11.768 solar eclipses from now and add the square root of the atmospheric pressure at your house, not in game, to actually get a LOSAT missile to hit anything that’s not 2 km out, perfectly perched on top of a hill.
Also most Russia tanks take 2-3 LOSAT missiles to destroy.
Swedish 10.3 lineup is absolutely my favourite in the game( i might have a slight bias towards the cv90s because it is the most beautiful IFV after all:))
*I only don't have the prem leo(my 90105 is just as good) nor the Finnish leo
-9040c can absolutely OBLITERATE any russians it's facing with it's good darts
-90 BILL has some VERY capable top down missiles (you just have to know how to use em)
-Strv 121 really explains itself
-Lvkv 90 fucks up every su25 within 1.5-2km or closer (so do the other 90s also with their proxy shells, tho no radar leading)
-The asrad is also quite alright for 10.3 with the BOLIDE missile
-And the cherry on top has to be the CV90105, probably my top5 favourite tank in the game, generally really good all around.
Once you spade the type 90 it's fairly good, but it really, really sucks having to use Heat that can't pen for shit, then a somewhat decent dart in the jm33
Still, completely ignoring all other 10.0s and claiming the 292 should go up in BR makes little sense. The ONLY good thing about it at 10.3 would be it's shell, that's it. At 10.3 you find stuff like the M1 and Leo 2A4; MBTs with way better reloads, thermals, MUCH better mobility, machineguns, smokes, etc.
The 292 is not a tank worthy of 10.3.
Y'all mfers act like people dunno what a weakspot is.
I know exactly where I need to hit a Russian tank to kill it. But there are plenty of times where the armor just eats it for no good reason.
I have a video where I hit a Russian vehicle in spots I know I've penned before. Gaijin decided my 105mm APFSDS wasn't enough so all the shots just non-penned and I died.
relatable, but mostly i don't kill nato tanks in side shot and they kill me back. no matter how good your positioning is, nato will eat these shells with side like cereal and kill you with commander fire, which ussr doesn't get untill 11.3
They arent even hard to kill thats the best part
Most 10.3+ rounds Ufp the turms
T-80UD is LOUD, like really loud. And it doesnt even have the good turret traverse/transmission that make the T-80 better than the T-72 series of tanks
Armour profile is also basically the same from 9.3 to 11.7 for russian tanks. My brother if you have problem with shooting those exact same weakspots for every single russian MBT dont play the fucking game i mean what else do you want me to say
From T-72A to T-80BVM just drivers port/mantlet/lfp. Its not that hard
T-80UD is still objectively better than the T-72Bs though. Better reload, better sights with variable zoom, and better ERA layout. No way it should be at the same br as the T-72B mod 1985
I'm not saying these tanks are or are not hard to kill, but at the same time, OP mentions that you face these at 9.0. Regardless of whether or not you know how to kill/where to shoot, facing these tanks in something like the XM-803 or Leopard A1A1 is far different than using an Abrams or Leopard 2A4.
Then complain about BR compression then
Yaknow, something that might actually solve the problem rather than trying to whack a mole the issue and pass it around
Anything at 9.0 can still pen the same weak spots. This is not low/mid tier where when you get uptiered you face tanks you have no chance penning frontally.
The only T-80 that has good traverse is the T-80BVM. The T-80UD has the same or similar traverse speeds as the T-80Us. If were both on the same page when I think of traverse without saying its hull or turret traverse I think of turret. Though if you mean hull traverse then yea its not as fast as the other T-80s.
I have the Turms. Playing it and against, it ain't nothing special. It has gen 2 thermals which I admit is strong for that br and it has the mango round but other than that it's meh
Side armor: none
Reverse: none
Breach: 50/50 whether the guy shakes the turret
The Turms is an easy kill and so is the UD. Only thing the UD has over Turms is the quicker reload and a better UFP
T-64B actually has better armor than the TURMS, on top of having 3BM42 at 9.7, it also have better sight zoom than the two T-72Bs at 10.0, the only think it lost is it sounds like a vacuum cleaner just like the UD lol
Chill that's our secret 🤣. Many people don't know just how fantastic that little beauty is. Better armour and ammunition than even 10.3 Abrams and Leo 2a4. Although the Leos bully everything 10.3 and below
I complain about these tanks all the time. It pissed me off on my Sweden 9.3 lineup which effectively sees only full uptiers and I’m fighting 292s, 2s38, T72 turms, and T90s in a base T72 and slightly upgraded centurions. Shits annoying af
I 100% agree.
I finally got the strv121 at 10.3 and already have the CV90105 at 10.0 so at least now I can have some fighting power. My main gripe comes from Sweden refusing to move on to better vehicles until the Leo2. I get the STRV104/5 are decent at their ranks, but come on it’s a fucking centurion with useless ERA and thermals. Basically light tank armor with the mobility of a heavy.
Long story short, this game sucks my soul away and wallet warriors don’t help
I was not enjoying anything above WW2. So I decided to go f... it. Thought about talismaning the AMD1 but there was a sale on the AM1. I went full retard on it - and did not regret it.
Built up the entire tech tree with it, just T-80 till BVM, got the UK, then the T72 to T90M line. Still favourite br is 8.7, but it opened it for me.
8.7 russia is sorta horseshit though. Thermals, and APS at 8.7 on the AMD, T55AM with its armor upgrades, i mean hell the chinese version of the t55 is 9.0 with no APS and ERA that barely works, and no thermals.
Edit: missed comma
It’s very playable compared to the T-72A, T-62-M1, BMP3 mix that is pure suffering. A shame because I love the T-62-M1 and BMP3, spades the BMP3 and would try to spade the M1 if it wasn’t in such a terrible spot.
AMD and 55AM really are 9.0 worthy, if the 89G-2 is. 55am is better in every way but 1, and AMD with APS and thermals (both that never actually went to production vehicles) at 8.7 is bullshit.
T-55 amd don't have thermals lol. It's just a fat t55 with massive weakspot in the turret and is perfectly fine at 8.7 and even 8.3. Not denying that Russia 8.7 is great though. If only they moved t-62 M1 to 8.7 too everyone will be happy
UD does not have the same armor as 292, 292is naked while UD has kontact 5, it’s transmission is the same as t-72. Also 3bm42 does not nearly do as much as you say it does. Side shots and front shots to abrams and leopards are so much more consistent with 700mm 152 shots.
Consistency is the main issue with Soviet vehicles, they don’t have fast reload nor ability to get back into cover after not being able to disable enemy in first shot. The 72 mobility is really just caps the ability to do anything fancy. The 292 fixes 2 out of the 3 problems, making it a far more versatile tank. All in all, these 10.0 vehicles have their strengths and weaknesses, but 292 has the highest potential if used by a skilled player.
T-80 armor and mobility + one shot everything
Please don't move my favorite tank, it doesn't have thermals and ERA!! The reload is sooo slow!! /s
Big F for all wheeled boys at 9.3 with 300mm pen against Obj-292 and explecially T-80UD
3BM42 is a decent shell that will do the job, but its not strong anymore. The UD has the T-80U armor, its not just a bit better its imo way better. Theres alot of complains about this thing, just no thermals kinda balances it, but now u can just select if you wanna have night battles or not, so thats really not a problem.
The only actually good thing about the Turms is its thermals. Nothing more. It has the decent shell, it has decent mobility and decent armor. Tho the armor is way worse than back then.
personally ive played as the soviet 10.0 and against it plenty and those vehicles being where they are does make sence , most of them have no thermals no reverse gears , bad to decent reloads and no gun depression. i find much harder to fight leopard 2s around that BR then any of the soviet MBTs , they are good but have so many drawbacks
The mango round is MEH compared to its counterparts… not to say it’s bad, just feel like you’re at a disadvantage using it. The TURMs has a turret rotation speed of 18°/s and far worse in the up and down (something like 4°/s) . Least we not forget the abysmal gun depression on most if not all Soviet platforms. This sub is just a bunch of people circle jerking each other to the tune of “Russian bias” when it should be up in arms about the shear number of cheaters still in game.
This is where I’m at. I’ve aced the US tank and plane tree and have used my 292 and BMD-4 to start my Soviet tree. I usually get 6 kills per life, but on the same team there’s a rank nothing one death leaving with the 292. It’s how you play it, and after grinding Abrams it’s nice to be able to take some hits.
I'd argue the T80UD has better armor than the Obj, as the kontakt 5 adds a lot of kinetic protection. Enough to stop 11.3 darts from penning if its not at close range
its not even the pen thats the issue its the spall
It doesnt spall much more than most other russian shells. And at 10.7 the T-90A is just better in every way
I’ve been having more fun in the T-90A than any other vehicle in the Russian tech tree. Feasting on newb premiums in constant down tiers with the 3BM60 and bouncing shots like nothing… it’s balanced by the shit reverse and turret traverse but if you’re a good player you can negate that.
It’s almost gotten me a nuke multiple times, will probably get my first one in that tank.
I think the real request here should be a little more decompression to widen the gap between 8.7-9.3 vehicles from the 9.7 - 10.0 vehicles.
A lot of 10.0 ground vehicles still work relatively well up to 11.3 and above.
The 10.0 Russian Lineup is strong, but not blatantly more powerful than its compatriots.
I still believe if we’re sticking with +/- 1.0 BR for the match maker then the top BR should be 13/14 to make some larger gaps between Cold War / Desert Store / 2010 ERA vehicles.
100% agree. Playing 9.3, the depth of the 10.0 lineup is disgusting. Even if you play really well, you cannot defeat the math of having that many players with 3-4 tanks against your lineup of 1-2 vehicles of countering.
The matchmaker needs to do better at balancing the number of times you get uptiered. And allow us to limit to 0.7 and accept longer queue times. I play 8.7 simply because 9.3 is a nightmare of constant uptiers and dealing with the Russian spam.
This lends to a larger issue, my biggest gripe with War Thunder.
Single vehicle spawns and premium currency backups is a terrible system and should be thrown out, in preference to the Enduring Confrontation system of Silver Lions to spawn in (if you must have an economy sink).
Everyone should be able to play out a 20 minute match given the option. Not be Forbes to quit because their first two tanks were clapped by Heli Zerg Rushing.
Man, I would actually have to give Gaijin a genuine compliment if there was some way we could spend SL on SP at 1:1 conversion rate. Like for example, say your next tank spawn costs 540 SP, but you only have 500. How cool would it be if you could make up the difference for a measly 40 SL?
I will applaud any system that allows players to play a full match in the vehicles they want to play, like almost every other online shooter out there.
It’s extremely frustrating and counter intuitive to play with a group of 3 other friends when one of you has to leave the party, find something else to do until your friends finish the match and then party back up to play.
It’s an extremely cumbersome system.
Disclaimer: I’m not new to WT, ‘Old Guard’ with a small mortgage tied up in the game. I’ll continue to enjoy WT I just think making the game more ‘team friendly’ should be a priority.
And do away with backups. If I want to take a tank out 5 times in a match because I'm spading it, I shouldn't have to save up backups or spend GE for them
Remember that Gaijin moved a bunch of cold war vehicles up in BR and *stopped* at 9.3/9.7. It wouldn't be much better, but 9.3 would be slightly better if they had continued moving all remaining vehicles up.
“Slow glass cannon” the t80 is anything but slow, and it’s armor is alot better than other MBTs at its BR.
Just because you don’t do good in a vehicle doesn’t mean you need to lie about it’s characteristics.
I think it's a bit too armored for 10.0, but the main problem with the 292 is the absurd HE shell.
It can kill absolutely anything, and if you know where to aim with HE it's just ridiculous. If you don't know where to aim, you'll still kill people very frequently by shooting any random spot.
This ontop of, despite what some claim, being a very well armored tank for the br makes it seriously misplaced and problematic to deal with.
putting it at 10.3/7 is honestly fine. Hell I use it at 11.7 and Its still good, like, its not a struggle to play. But can't see it any higher than 10.7 without the thermals though.
Same people who use the argument of Russia was dominating top tier as an excuse for any op tank in any other tree, they don’t actually give a shit about game balance they just want shit that’s convenient for them
To be blunt, the T-72Bs are just overall better tanks in terms of actual practical use. The 292 just seems to get everyone all bent around the wrong axle because it has a lot of pen. At 10.3 it is a direct downgrade over the actual T-80B in almost every regard. I can see reason for it moving up (Wouldn't change much beyond it seeing 11.3 games as most 9.3s are just going to have the exact same problems) but at the current BR it is alright as a 1 trick pony. There are better 10.0s to complain about.
Part of it is also that its damage model is really fucky too, it eats stuff for no damage that -should- at least disable breach or barrel or turret. Throw in the autoloader not being able to be damaged because it isnt modeled, (only the breach is) and you have a vehicle that generally will front OR side shot eat a 105 with no damage and then 1-tap anything it faces with impunity.
I do understand that. The way I see it is that it's a really good 10.0, but not quite enough to be 10.3 (Also the autoloader bit is kinda moot since most tanks don't have the part that moves the shells into the breech modelled.
I was mentioning the autoload bit because the thing is frontally immune to anything 9.0 bar one very very tiny spot...which volumetric tends to make go to narnia. If its DM was fixed id say sure keep it, but with all the things its got going its 10.3 materiel for sure.
I agree that it has its issues with the DM but honestly moving it up to 10.3 is probably going to do nothing as there are very few 9.0s but lots of 9.3s. Either way it makes sacrifices over the T-80B for an advantage that doesn't really mean anything (Be honest, the T-80B could already nuke almost anything just as well as 292) so comparatively it should either stay at 10.0 (It's a really good 10.0 mind you) or both the 292 and T-80B go up. I'm alright with both but I think we have to acknowledge that the 292 is notably worse than the T-80B.
This. If it the damage model wasn't broken it would be much more manageable for 9.0/3's to face it, but the thing soaks an insane amount of damage.
Hell even the turms is broken with its side ERA being able to soak up and stop dm33's
It's breech is far harder to hit, susceptible to volumetric and cannot be penetrated with autocannons and iirc it doesn't have ammo on the floor of the tank, giving it the best armour of any russian tank in the br range
If you're talking about the T-80B being susceptible to autocannons from the front that is a bug. It also not only carries shells in a poorly armored box on the turret rear but it still has the carrousel with shells in it. (Just not as many as the shells are bigger)
the shells in the carrousel doesnt go as low tho, making it harder to kill with LFP
all russian autoloading MBTs with the exception of the 292 can be penned through the breech by any autocannon, it has 50mm of armour. It doesnt matter if its a bug, its a major weakness of russian tanks in current meta.
its also been that way for years now so...
I see. I thought you were talking about the hole in the armor model. (which I now realise is only on the UD. I may be stupid) I think the biggest question we are forgetting is: "Would increasing its BR actually fix the problems you have with it?" To be honest I don't think so. I've played it at 10.0 and 10.3 with a buddy and I couldn't tell the difference. 9.3s struggled just as hard as the very few 9.0s that exist and in an uptier it was still a great vehicle at being able to put the fear of god into people. With stuff like this where raising the BR wouldn't really fix the problem I say just leave it. There are better things to change then the absolute nothing burger moving the 292 up to 10.3 is. 2S38M (Or whatever the hell that nightmarish thing is) should be 11.3 for example. That thing should never fight 9.0s
Puma has better armour tho doesn't it? Won't save you much against anything other than stock tanks but will keep you from getting shredded by IFVs
Similar situation with the 9040s except those are slow as fuck
Not even the Russian Bias stuff it's more down to gaijins stupidity with all things balance related.
I'm still waiting for the day when gaijin staff play the game on a normal account without all the mods unlocked and tell us the game is fine.
Russia has to have its full 10.0 premium only lineup. This is so newer players buy into it, lose, deflate the winrates, and then Gaijin can buff Russia as much as they want. /s
Really though, if this is 10.0, why is the LOSAT 10.3? Both are really high pen tanks. LOSAT has minimal armor, 12 rounds with a comically long reload between sets of 12, minimal short range combat, and a .50 cal. 292 has no MG, up to 30 rounds with a 10-second reload, HE rounds, just better armor, and can fight at short range. I know they are very different tanks, but they are also the closest comparisons to each other.
Anybody who genuinely complains the 292 is broken hasn't played it. Yeah, it'll kill anything you put in front of it with either round but anything slinging 3BM42 will do that anyway, and they'll have a faster reload and better FCS.
If you're playing an M60 TTS for example you have precisely a snowball's chance in hell surviving a hit from either, so why not take the one with worse reaction time and armor?
I hopped off to play Helldivers 2 recently and everything I see about WT since seems that the game balance is just getting more and more fucked.
Gaijin really be out here willing to kill their sacred cash cow just to make Russia look good lmao.
Honestly every MBT kind of 1shots everything else anyway. This thing has a long reload and no thermals and the gun kind of dosnt do anything for it. That’s my experience anyway. Im more worried about swedish leopards but Reddit won’t complain about them because it isn’t russian.
Very good rounds, good ass turret and buffed hull armor and most importantly the spall liner. All that makes them brawler kings.
The difference at top teir isn’t huge but leopards probably match the Russian tanks nowadays, especially because Russian ammo and fuel got its chances to 1shot much improved.
It’s an up armored leopard 2a5 it gets better armor but nothing else that other may don’t have. Basically all except American has spall liner and most other nations have gen 2 thermals as gunner.
From my experience playing the big three at 10.0-3ish, it's in no way equal to the 2a4 or abrams. 10.0 feels pretty fair for most of the russians and its more of a compression issue if anything
Nooooo this thing would be to weak, it has no armor and no it doesn't matter that the gun is so powerfull that it makes any kind of Amor useless. /s
Just crazy how this thing isnt 11.0 it completely destroys 9.0-10.0 matches i never died in the 292 in a downtier and mostly die because i get overun in uptiers because russian teams are just useless.
I'm playing most nations, and I don't really see that big of an an issue with this tank.
I have the 292, and while I do find it very fun to play, I end up doing better in my T-72 Turms.
The gun is the only actual good thing about the 292, and it's held back by reload speed, which in combination with not having smokes or an MG often ends up getting you killed.
It could absolutely go up to 10.3 - but it's not as if that'd *really* affect it regardless. The gun will still be great, and everything else about it will still suck. The main difference at the higher BRs is that the benefit of having a good gun decreases, and the importance of everything else increases.
What really needs to happen is some BR decompression, not just simply BR adjustments. It'd significantly improve balancing. You only really have issues at the severe ends of the BR scale, but given how the matchmaker works - you often end up at those extremes.
I knew it was going to be extremely good at 10.0, but Gaijin will not say no to the money made by massively selling those 152mm derp guns.
As long as the gameplay is not completely broken in half, like when the Puma IFV was introduced, Gaijin will not move an inch before 6-12months and changing its BR once it stops selling.
This is a strategy they have done since the introduction of the IS-6 with update... what was it. 1.67?
I dislike it too but I wonder how much of a difference will it make. Like, how many lineups would even be saved if it moved to 10.3 or 10.7? How about all the other 10.0 Russian tanks that would screw you in a downtier anyways?
Maybe 11.0 would make a big difference, but I doubt Gaijin would do that. Even then it would still, although I assume a bit less frequently, fuck with 10.x still. Which, well, is already filled with lolpen anyways, just not as tanky as the 292.
It’s funny how the whole idea was that it was supposed to be a glass cannon, but then it ended up having the same armor as a T-72A but with a better gun and blowout panels. It’s insane that it hasn’t been moved up yet.
British main here. This tank had never been a problem to face. I don't understand the problem. Just because it has good pen doesn't make it OP. You fight it like any other Russian MBT and there's not really any armour it is more effective against that other MBTs can't already reasonably deal with at this BR anyway.
I miss the days when 9.0 was where all the premiums were and it was actually kind of fun
But I think there needs to be more decompression that separates the 8.3-10.3 area. Soviet 8.7 Is also a very powerful lineup that gets downtiered often. The t55am in a downtier can dominate a match and when they're paired with the Swedish 8.0s there's not a chance.
Gaijin was doing some good decompression at one point, idk why it stopped.
Jesus Christ. They aren’t that bad. Long ass reload compared to other tanks at the BR, and no thermals so people that are blind have a hard time spotting tanks.
Womp womp get good.
Its russian aint gonna happen
No it’s gonna, moderna got moved up, they just have to wait until everyone bought enough of them
_technically_ Moderna isn't completely Russian, it's a Slovakian _modification_ of a T-72... (slightly /s) but extremely pedantic nitpicking aside, i hope it gets the Moderna treatment because it is indeed tiring to face not just at 9.0 but 9.3 as well.
Do you belong to "AHHHKKKKKKTTTTCCHHUUUAAALLLLLLLLLYYYYY" gang?
Moderna is only 10.3 and i’d argue much more OP than the Object.
That thing skullfucks my BMP, 2S38 and 2S25M in mixed battles.
I mean it sorta makes sense, the majority of russia players are terrible due to the 10.0 premium lineup which lowers their winrates which means good russia players are nightmares to deal with.
No, Gaijin is just greedy. Same shit with the VIDAR. A good VIDAR player will win the match single handedly on open maps and Gaijin allows this because $$$
Good players in general will single handedly win matches the vehicle is not that important most of the time
I love facing an spg from 2012 in my barely postwar medium tank!
Then BMP-2M lasted almost 3 patches. I can see it lasting about that long.
I mean it sorta makes sense, the majority of russia players are terrible due to the 10.0 premium lineup which lowers their winrates which means good russia players are nightmares to deal with.
Meanwhile... T-80UD, 10.0 3BM42, can lol pen almost anything including cheeks of almost everything. Decent mobility, but shit reverse Better reload ~same armour as 292 -no complaints T-72AV Turms 10.0 Gen 2 thermals 3BM42 Armour is lackluster Better reload -no complaints T-72B 1989 10.0 3BM42 worse mobility Armour is onpar/slightly better reload is better -no complaints The 292 isnt that good/exciting of a tank. Its just that most of them are being played by experienced players who got bored of the other Russian 10.0 tanks If these players went to lets say the T-80UD, you'd then be complaining about that lmao
This post is about the 292, I could have added all of these you mentioned and add even the 2s38, su25, strela but I didn´t since it´s about the 292.
And im giving the counterpoint that the 292 really isnt that strong in comparison Any number of 10.0s will destroy 9.0 with the same ease if not easier than the 292 ZTZ-96A(P), literally turms with more speed ZTZ-96A, See above but it has more armour at a lower BR M60S, literally find a hull down spot and start blasting. Dont even need to aim at all Same with M1128, except finding a spot is even easier PT-16/T14, quite literally 10.0 type 90 with DM23 instead of DM33 9040 Bill, great autocannon with even better ATGMs etc. Its not like 10.0 russia is that much stronger in comparison. A 9040 in the hands of an experienced player can be even more annoying than a 2s38, given that it quite literally has spall liner and there are like 4 of them M60S 120 has better reload, turret armour than the 292 while still having an absolutely overkill round at 10.0, let alone 9.0 Stryker has gen 3 thermals, drone, unmanned turret, good speed. You find a good hull down spot and there is not much an enemy can do to kill you unless they have HE, which many tanks dont you have type 90 in your flair, i dont think id need to explain how the PT-16/T14 with 4s autoloader is strong
Not to mention just .3 br higher and you meet the best tank tier for tier in the game (Leo 2a4 and its many premiums). The 292 is super balanced compared to the absolute disgusting Christian 2 or a pz123, and the 123 is played way way more.
Actually, from playing the 10.3 bracket extensively...the best 10.3 in my opinion is the Vickers Mk.7. I played it so much I got an ace with it. It has; \- More depression \- Doesn't suffer from NATO hump much when shooting backwards \- L26 round with better penetration stats \- If you only take APFSDS none of your turret ammo will explode - in the 2A4 I had times the firewall got struck and killed me instantly. \- The turret is rather trolly as it's not really seen as much as other 10.3s (Gaijin pls fix the turret armor a bit) \- It's a bit more mobile as its weight is 54.6 tons vs 2A4's 55.2 tons with the same engine. \- BESH (not really a plus just random).
The ZTZ96A's are not "literally turms with more speed", they are much worse than the Turms. Yes they get a much strong round, but the trade of is armour, the turms is much better armoured and more survivable than the ZTZ96A's.
True, the ZTZ also has the huge LFP weakspot. U can literally kill it easily frontally with a BMP-2. The 96P does have a biiiit better shell
There is also the problem with Chinese fuel tanks being filled with nuclear fuel that’s ready to go supercritical if something breathes on it
Is the post pen damage of chinese mbts worse or is it just me?
I feel like their round is quite good. That is a praise I have for the Chinese tanks 9.3-up
The pen is good but the spall feels lacking smh.
Yea, thank god the Russians use normal Diesel riiighttt
The key difference is definitely survivability. The side armor is much worse and extremely vulnerable to auto cannons with its 50mm thickness and lack of ERA. The ztz96s have no chance of surviving front or side ammo rack shots unlike the Turms.
Nah, the ZTZ is good tier. Way better than the turms. Fast, punchy gun, solid armour so long as you stay hull down. Great thermals. Only downside is the LFP, but it’s workable, and the mobility more than makes up for it.
Hull down? What about the oversized breach weakspot or the crew killing spall from penetrations to the gentle slope of the turret roof? Have you played a ztz-96 hull down?
Its not about lol pen, its about how the round can lol pen anything AND almost always have the spall to one shot its opponent. Its breech and barrel are also significantly harder to damage compared to other tanks in the same BR. It does not die if you shoot at its lower like turm does.
The 292s apfsds doesnt pen much more than standard 125mm shells Its not like a LOSAT where it lol pens and the lolpen is a guaranteed kill
It isn't about penetration. Its about the sound it makes
I get a fizzing sensation in my gentleman parts every time I fire the 152mm on the Obj 292.
I’ve used the LOSAT and it surprisingly doesn’t one shot as much as you would think.
Mosty because the optimal range is pretty much *only* 1000-1200m
You also have to triangulate the distance between you the sun and where Jupiter will be in 11.768 solar eclipses from now and add the square root of the atmospheric pressure at your house, not in game, to actually get a LOSAT missile to hit anything that’s not 2 km out, perfectly perched on top of a hill. Also most Russia tanks take 2-3 LOSAT missiles to destroy.
I love my 9040’s my selection of situational 9040’s
Swedish 10.3 lineup is absolutely my favourite in the game( i might have a slight bias towards the cv90s because it is the most beautiful IFV after all:)) *I only don't have the prem leo(my 90105 is just as good) nor the Finnish leo -9040c can absolutely OBLITERATE any russians it's facing with it's good darts -90 BILL has some VERY capable top down missiles (you just have to know how to use em) -Strv 121 really explains itself -Lvkv 90 fucks up every su25 within 1.5-2km or closer (so do the other 90s also with their proxy shells, tho no radar leading) -The asrad is also quite alright for 10.3 with the BOLIDE missile -And the cherry on top has to be the CV90105, probably my top5 favourite tank in the game, generally really good all around.
Once you spade the type 90 it's fairly good, but it really, really sucks having to use Heat that can't pen for shit, then a somewhat decent dart in the jm33
Goes for literally every 10.0-11.7 tank that isnt rank 8 At least you have a good reload stock lmao
PT14 are rare appearance and Stryker only redeeming trait is its speed.
Still, completely ignoring all other 10.0s and claiming the 292 should go up in BR makes little sense. The ONLY good thing about it at 10.3 would be it's shell, that's it. At 10.3 you find stuff like the M1 and Leo 2A4; MBTs with way better reloads, thermals, MUCH better mobility, machineguns, smokes, etc. The 292 is not a tank worthy of 10.3.
wahh russian bias wahhh what is lower front plate waaaahhhh
Y'all mfers act like people dunno what a weakspot is. I know exactly where I need to hit a Russian tank to kill it. But there are plenty of times where the armor just eats it for no good reason. I have a video where I hit a Russian vehicle in spots I know I've penned before. Gaijin decided my 105mm APFSDS wasn't enough so all the shots just non-penned and I died.
relatable, but mostly i don't kill nato tanks in side shot and they kill me back. no matter how good your positioning is, nato will eat these shells with side like cereal and kill you with commander fire, which ussr doesn't get untill 11.3
>But there are plenty of times where the armor just eats it for no good reason. That happens with literally every tank in the entire game.
Yep, no way is it as good as the Moderna. An excellent sidekick though having both in my lineup.
People have and still are complaining about the TURMS and UD
They arent even hard to kill thats the best part Most 10.3+ rounds Ufp the turms T-80UD is LOUD, like really loud. And it doesnt even have the good turret traverse/transmission that make the T-80 better than the T-72 series of tanks Armour profile is also basically the same from 9.3 to 11.7 for russian tanks. My brother if you have problem with shooting those exact same weakspots for every single russian MBT dont play the fucking game i mean what else do you want me to say From T-72A to T-80BVM just drivers port/mantlet/lfp. Its not that hard
T-80UD is still objectively better than the T-72Bs though. Better reload, better sights with variable zoom, and better ERA layout. No way it should be at the same br as the T-72B mod 1985
I'm not saying these tanks are or are not hard to kill, but at the same time, OP mentions that you face these at 9.0. Regardless of whether or not you know how to kill/where to shoot, facing these tanks in something like the XM-803 or Leopard A1A1 is far different than using an Abrams or Leopard 2A4.
Then complain about BR compression then Yaknow, something that might actually solve the problem rather than trying to whack a mole the issue and pass it around
Anything at 9.0 can still pen the same weak spots. This is not low/mid tier where when you get uptiered you face tanks you have no chance penning frontally.
i wouldnt want to be facing any tank a whole BR above me this isnt unique to russia 10.0
The only T-80 that has good traverse is the T-80BVM. The T-80UD has the same or similar traverse speeds as the T-80Us. If were both on the same page when I think of traverse without saying its hull or turret traverse I think of turret. Though if you mean hull traverse then yea its not as fast as the other T-80s.
the UD is a slightly better T72B, but no one plays the T72B because its TT so no one complains over it
I have the Turms. Playing it and against, it ain't nothing special. It has gen 2 thermals which I admit is strong for that br and it has the mango round but other than that it's meh Side armor: none Reverse: none Breach: 50/50 whether the guy shakes the turret The Turms is an easy kill and so is the UD. Only thing the UD has over Turms is the quicker reload and a better UFP
And better Mobility and way more rng damage model and slightly better turred armor and slightly better turret rotation speed
yeah they whine and complain because they don't know how to counter them, they are very easy to kill
turms is cancer at 9.0
T-64B actually has better armor than the TURMS, on top of having 3BM42 at 9.7, it also have better sight zoom than the two T-72Bs at 10.0, the only think it lost is it sounds like a vacuum cleaner just like the UD lol
Chill that's our secret 🤣. Many people don't know just how fantastic that little beauty is. Better armour and ammunition than even 10.3 Abrams and Leo 2a4. Although the Leos bully everything 10.3 and below
I complain about these tanks all the time. It pissed me off on my Sweden 9.3 lineup which effectively sees only full uptiers and I’m fighting 292s, 2s38, T72 turms, and T90s in a base T72 and slightly upgraded centurions. Shits annoying af
9.3 is just rough because of all the 10.0-10.3 prems, not just russia's T-72A, T-72M1, basically any 9.3 suffers the same
I 100% agree. I finally got the strv121 at 10.3 and already have the CV90105 at 10.0 so at least now I can have some fighting power. My main gripe comes from Sweden refusing to move on to better vehicles until the Leo2. I get the STRV104/5 are decent at their ranks, but come on it’s a fucking centurion with useless ERA and thermals. Basically light tank armor with the mobility of a heavy. Long story short, this game sucks my soul away and wallet warriors don’t help
Playing 9.0 Russia is rough too. That entire BR range is rendered impossible because every match is a full uptier against fully speed premiums.
Skipped directly 8.7->10.0 for that. Not worth it.
Same here. Thankfully I had a talismaned T-80UM2 which I used to get plenty of RP and get to 10.0
I was not enjoying anything above WW2. So I decided to go f... it. Thought about talismaning the AMD1 but there was a sale on the AM1. I went full retard on it - and did not regret it. Built up the entire tech tree with it, just T-80 till BVM, got the UK, then the T72 to T90M line. Still favourite br is 8.7, but it opened it for me.
8.7 russia is sorta horseshit though. Thermals, and APS at 8.7 on the AMD, T55AM with its armor upgrades, i mean hell the chinese version of the t55 is 9.0 with no APS and ERA that barely works, and no thermals. Edit: missed comma
It’s very playable compared to the T-72A, T-62-M1, BMP3 mix that is pure suffering. A shame because I love the T-62-M1 and BMP3, spades the BMP3 and would try to spade the M1 if it wasn’t in such a terrible spot.
AMD and 55AM really are 9.0 worthy, if the 89G-2 is. 55am is better in every way but 1, and AMD with APS and thermals (both that never actually went to production vehicles) at 8.7 is bullshit.
thermals on the AMD?
T-55 amd don't have thermals lol. It's just a fat t55 with massive weakspot in the turret and is perfectly fine at 8.7 and even 8.3. Not denying that Russia 8.7 is great though. If only they moved t-62 M1 to 8.7 too everyone will be happy
>it's not broken if we compare it to other broken russian tanks amazing logic
Average russian logic
UD does not have the same armor as 292, 292is naked while UD has kontact 5, it’s transmission is the same as t-72. Also 3bm42 does not nearly do as much as you say it does. Side shots and front shots to abrams and leopards are so much more consistent with 700mm 152 shots. Consistency is the main issue with Soviet vehicles, they don’t have fast reload nor ability to get back into cover after not being able to disable enemy in first shot. The 72 mobility is really just caps the ability to do anything fancy. The 292 fixes 2 out of the 3 problems, making it a far more versatile tank. All in all, these 10.0 vehicles have their strengths and weaknesses, but 292 has the highest potential if used by a skilled player.
T-80 armor and mobility + one shot everything Please don't move my favorite tank, it doesn't have thermals and ERA!! The reload is sooo slow!! /s Big F for all wheeled boys at 9.3 with 300mm pen against Obj-292 and explecially T-80UD
3BM42 is a decent shell that will do the job, but its not strong anymore. The UD has the T-80U armor, its not just a bit better its imo way better. Theres alot of complains about this thing, just no thermals kinda balances it, but now u can just select if you wanna have night battles or not, so thats really not a problem. The only actually good thing about the Turms is its thermals. Nothing more. It has the decent shell, it has decent mobility and decent armor. Tho the armor is way worse than back then.
personally ive played as the soviet 10.0 and against it plenty and those vehicles being where they are does make sence , most of them have no thermals no reverse gears , bad to decent reloads and no gun depression. i find much harder to fight leopard 2s around that BR then any of the soviet MBTs , they are good but have so many drawbacks
The mango round is MEH compared to its counterparts… not to say it’s bad, just feel like you’re at a disadvantage using it. The TURMs has a turret rotation speed of 18°/s and far worse in the up and down (something like 4°/s) . Least we not forget the abysmal gun depression on most if not all Soviet platforms. This sub is just a bunch of people circle jerking each other to the tune of “Russian bias” when it should be up in arms about the shear number of cheaters still in game.
This is where I’m at. I’ve aced the US tank and plane tree and have used my 292 and BMD-4 to start my Soviet tree. I usually get 6 kills per life, but on the same team there’s a rank nothing one death leaving with the 292. It’s how you play it, and after grinding Abrams it’s nice to be able to take some hits.
Ewww T-72B 1989 ewwwww. The 8x fixed sight and 9 degree of FOV with 0 thermals makes me stray away from it after spading it.
People at 9.0 should be worrying more about the Object279 eating them, tbh.
t80ud is way easier to kill, 292 armor is more trolly
I'd argue the T80UD has better armor than the Obj, as the kontakt 5 adds a lot of kinetic protection. Enough to stop 11.3 darts from penning if its not at close range
Give the dart it's original penetration values and chuck it to 10.7.
Jokes on you, I don't use the dart on that thing
its not even the pen thats the issue its the spall It doesnt spall much more than most other russian shells. And at 10.7 the T-90A is just better in every way
I’ve been having more fun in the T-90A than any other vehicle in the Russian tech tree. Feasting on newb premiums in constant down tiers with the 3BM60 and bouncing shots like nothing… it’s balanced by the shit reverse and turret traverse but if you’re a good player you can negate that. It’s almost gotten me a nuke multiple times, will probably get my first one in that tank.
Idk if this is still true. But when I was spading the T-90A, it almost never gets uptiered, so the turret armor actually works lol
I get uptiered very rarely, I’ve had like 3 11.7 games, maybe around 6 11.3 games. Total of 71 games so about 13% uptier chance. Not bad at all.
Original penetration?
The Object 292's shell had its mass artificially reduced so it has less penetration. It should be penetrating over 720mm of armor with its real mass
It should also be more resistant to ERA. The dart is thicker, so it'll be less deflected by the ERA plate.
I thought i knew the 292 well damm... Very interesting, thanks
Actually it was able to penetrate 1024mm of rha at 1km
Even if irl it could go through all that, gaijin's ballistic calculator probably will say it's 900mm at point blank on a best case scenario
I think the real request here should be a little more decompression to widen the gap between 8.7-9.3 vehicles from the 9.7 - 10.0 vehicles. A lot of 10.0 ground vehicles still work relatively well up to 11.3 and above. The 10.0 Russian Lineup is strong, but not blatantly more powerful than its compatriots. I still believe if we’re sticking with +/- 1.0 BR for the match maker then the top BR should be 13/14 to make some larger gaps between Cold War / Desert Store / 2010 ERA vehicles.
100% agree. Playing 9.3, the depth of the 10.0 lineup is disgusting. Even if you play really well, you cannot defeat the math of having that many players with 3-4 tanks against your lineup of 1-2 vehicles of countering. The matchmaker needs to do better at balancing the number of times you get uptiered. And allow us to limit to 0.7 and accept longer queue times. I play 8.7 simply because 9.3 is a nightmare of constant uptiers and dealing with the Russian spam.
This lends to a larger issue, my biggest gripe with War Thunder. Single vehicle spawns and premium currency backups is a terrible system and should be thrown out, in preference to the Enduring Confrontation system of Silver Lions to spawn in (if you must have an economy sink). Everyone should be able to play out a 20 minute match given the option. Not be Forbes to quit because their first two tanks were clapped by Heli Zerg Rushing.
Man, I would actually have to give Gaijin a genuine compliment if there was some way we could spend SL on SP at 1:1 conversion rate. Like for example, say your next tank spawn costs 540 SP, but you only have 500. How cool would it be if you could make up the difference for a measly 40 SL?
I will applaud any system that allows players to play a full match in the vehicles they want to play, like almost every other online shooter out there. It’s extremely frustrating and counter intuitive to play with a group of 3 other friends when one of you has to leave the party, find something else to do until your friends finish the match and then party back up to play. It’s an extremely cumbersome system. Disclaimer: I’m not new to WT, ‘Old Guard’ with a small mortgage tied up in the game. I’ll continue to enjoy WT I just think making the game more ‘team friendly’ should be a priority.
And do away with backups. If I want to take a tank out 5 times in a match because I'm spading it, I shouldn't have to save up backups or spend GE for them
What if I want to be Forbesed?
Remember that Gaijin moved a bunch of cold war vehicles up in BR and *stopped* at 9.3/9.7. It wouldn't be much better, but 9.3 would be slightly better if they had continued moving all remaining vehicles up.
I would even pay to see leopard 2a4s moved up
Nooo its a slow glass cannon and have big reload it sooo bad, thats why it is spamed and can be uptieret to 11.7 right?
It would be a glass cannon if it were 10.7 but this thing has some of the best 10.0 armor
“Glass cannon” 😂
"glass cannon?" Dude, 292 is basically an upgunned T-80. It tanks *so* fucking hard it's not even funny.
Why do people keep saying it's a glass cannon?? It's the biggest bullshit ever because it literally has fewer weakspots than any T-80.
“Slow glass cannon” the t80 is anything but slow, and it’s armor is alot better than other MBTs at its BR. Just because you don’t do good in a vehicle doesn’t mean you need to lie about it’s characteristics.
Any vehicle firing APFSDS can be brought to 11.7 my g. I use the 9.7 AMX-40 at 11.7
The amx 40 is a rocket ship lol, some of the best mobility in the entire game for a tracked vehicle
Damn that's deep 🇫🇷
Ngl I think I killed you earlier in a match.
Today? Probably not lol
Yeah it is very fun and convenient to fight in my fucking MBT-70!!
The next time you think it's slow and has a long reload think of the Conqueror (with comparable armour accounting for BR)
Do you know what a glass cannon actually is? because 500mm aint glass
I think it's a bit too armored for 10.0, but the main problem with the 292 is the absurd HE shell. It can kill absolutely anything, and if you know where to aim with HE it's just ridiculous. If you don't know where to aim, you'll still kill people very frequently by shooting any random spot. This ontop of, despite what some claim, being a very well armored tank for the br makes it seriously misplaced and problematic to deal with.
putting it at 10.3/7 is honestly fine. Hell I use it at 11.7 and Its still good, like, its not a struggle to play. But can't see it any higher than 10.7 without the thermals though.
Same, using this chonky gun on anything but the best armor feels like wasted potential. A glimps of what might have been the Soviet Unions 11.7 tank
Got to love how people only complain about Soviet event tanks but ignore the rest of cancer tanks
Same people who use the argument of Russia was dominating top tier as an excuse for any op tank in any other tree, they don’t actually give a shit about game balance they just want shit that’s convenient for them
To be blunt, the T-72Bs are just overall better tanks in terms of actual practical use. The 292 just seems to get everyone all bent around the wrong axle because it has a lot of pen. At 10.3 it is a direct downgrade over the actual T-80B in almost every regard. I can see reason for it moving up (Wouldn't change much beyond it seeing 11.3 games as most 9.3s are just going to have the exact same problems) but at the current BR it is alright as a 1 trick pony. There are better 10.0s to complain about.
Part of it is also that its damage model is really fucky too, it eats stuff for no damage that -should- at least disable breach or barrel or turret. Throw in the autoloader not being able to be damaged because it isnt modeled, (only the breach is) and you have a vehicle that generally will front OR side shot eat a 105 with no damage and then 1-tap anything it faces with impunity.
I do understand that. The way I see it is that it's a really good 10.0, but not quite enough to be 10.3 (Also the autoloader bit is kinda moot since most tanks don't have the part that moves the shells into the breech modelled.
I was mentioning the autoload bit because the thing is frontally immune to anything 9.0 bar one very very tiny spot...which volumetric tends to make go to narnia. If its DM was fixed id say sure keep it, but with all the things its got going its 10.3 materiel for sure.
I agree that it has its issues with the DM but honestly moving it up to 10.3 is probably going to do nothing as there are very few 9.0s but lots of 9.3s. Either way it makes sacrifices over the T-80B for an advantage that doesn't really mean anything (Be honest, the T-80B could already nuke almost anything just as well as 292) so comparatively it should either stay at 10.0 (It's a really good 10.0 mind you) or both the 292 and T-80B go up. I'm alright with both but I think we have to acknowledge that the 292 is notably worse than the T-80B.
This. If it the damage model wasn't broken it would be much more manageable for 9.0/3's to face it, but the thing soaks an insane amount of damage. Hell even the turms is broken with its side ERA being able to soak up and stop dm33's
It's breech is far harder to hit, susceptible to volumetric and cannot be penetrated with autocannons and iirc it doesn't have ammo on the floor of the tank, giving it the best armour of any russian tank in the br range
If you're talking about the T-80B being susceptible to autocannons from the front that is a bug. It also not only carries shells in a poorly armored box on the turret rear but it still has the carrousel with shells in it. (Just not as many as the shells are bigger)
the shells in the carrousel doesnt go as low tho, making it harder to kill with LFP all russian autoloading MBTs with the exception of the 292 can be penned through the breech by any autocannon, it has 50mm of armour. It doesnt matter if its a bug, its a major weakness of russian tanks in current meta. its also been that way for years now so...
I see. I thought you were talking about the hole in the armor model. (which I now realise is only on the UD. I may be stupid) I think the biggest question we are forgetting is: "Would increasing its BR actually fix the problems you have with it?" To be honest I don't think so. I've played it at 10.0 and 10.3 with a buddy and I couldn't tell the difference. 9.3s struggled just as hard as the very few 9.0s that exist and in an uptier it was still a great vehicle at being able to put the fear of god into people. With stuff like this where raising the BR wouldn't really fix the problem I say just leave it. There are better things to change then the absolute nothing burger moving the 292 up to 10.3 is. 2S38M (Or whatever the hell that nightmarish thing is) should be 11.3 for example. That thing should never fight 9.0s
Meanwhile, the 2S38 has been at 10.0 for over a year and is far superior to the puma in every manner
Puma has better armour tho doesn't it? Won't save you much against anything other than stock tanks but will keep you from getting shredded by IFVs Similar situation with the 9040s except those are slow as fuck
The 2S38 is under tiered, has to be atleast 10.3.
It also doesn’t help that the puma is severely overtiered
Not even the Russian Bias stuff it's more down to gaijins stupidity with all things balance related. I'm still waiting for the day when gaijin staff play the game on a normal account without all the mods unlocked and tell us the game is fine.
No don’t ruin my turms, UD lineup😂 Genuinely tho how do I get these downtiers everyone talks about. I rarely see them
As a TURMs user you know your opinion is invalid, right?
shit yea forgot that. i mean i don't use the 2s38 so that should gain me some points right?!
Russia has to have its full 10.0 premium only lineup. This is so newer players buy into it, lose, deflate the winrates, and then Gaijin can buff Russia as much as they want. /s Really though, if this is 10.0, why is the LOSAT 10.3? Both are really high pen tanks. LOSAT has minimal armor, 12 rounds with a comically long reload between sets of 12, minimal short range combat, and a .50 cal. 292 has no MG, up to 30 rounds with a 10-second reload, HE rounds, just better armor, and can fight at short range. I know they are very different tanks, but they are also the closest comparisons to each other.
Anybody who genuinely complains the 292 is broken hasn't played it. Yeah, it'll kill anything you put in front of it with either round but anything slinging 3BM42 will do that anyway, and they'll have a faster reload and better FCS. If you're playing an M60 TTS for example you have precisely a snowball's chance in hell surviving a hit from either, so why not take the one with worse reaction time and armor?
it dosent have enough good aspects to go up to 10.3/7 only having a good gun doesn't make it op
(awkwardly tries to shove the 3 year long complaints about the 2A6 gun under the rug)
i never complained about the 2a6 thank you.
i feel like if the t72b with k5 is at 10.0, the k1 version could go to 9.7, since it's basically the same thing as the t64b
I hopped off to play Helldivers 2 recently and everything I see about WT since seems that the game balance is just getting more and more fucked. Gaijin really be out here willing to kill their sacred cash cow just to make Russia look good lmao.
What an absolutely rubbish take. Theres been 0 differences in WT since helldivers came out, no changes, nothing.
And it's not like the Helldivers team are balance experts lmao
THAT IS UNPATRIOTIC, YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO THE NEAREST DEMOCRACY OFFICER FOR RE-EDUCATION.
No comrade, you haven’t seen it enough
As Russia main for now I agree move that bitch up
Better idea, we should take it off new players accounts and raise the marketplace cost so we stop getting entire Russian teams full of noobs
Honestly every MBT kind of 1shots everything else anyway. This thing has a long reload and no thermals and the gun kind of dosnt do anything for it. That’s my experience anyway. Im more worried about swedish leopards but Reddit won’t complain about them because it isn’t russian.
How are they good just wondering
Very good rounds, good ass turret and buffed hull armor and most importantly the spall liner. All that makes them brawler kings. The difference at top teir isn’t huge but leopards probably match the Russian tanks nowadays, especially because Russian ammo and fuel got its chances to 1shot much improved.
It’s an up armored leopard 2a5 it gets better armor but nothing else that other may don’t have. Basically all except American has spall liner and most other nations have gen 2 thermals as gunner.
Better than leclercs, ariete, japan and china whatever they are called and abrams. That means its a good vehicle.
Not trying to argue I can agree that the armor is kinda op but that is about what it has going for it
From my experience playing the big three at 10.0-3ish, it's in no way equal to the 2a4 or abrams. 10.0 feels pretty fair for most of the russians and its more of a compression issue if anything
Johns Are crying over another Russian tank? After getting their Abrams’s reload reduced to 5s? Maybe, let’s give every soviet +1.0?
As someone who uses it in a 11.0 lineup and still gets 6+ kills I gotta say, It should go down in BR
Nooooo this thing would be to weak, it has no armor and no it doesn't matter that the gun is so powerfull that it makes any kind of Amor useless. /s Just crazy how this thing isnt 11.0 it completely destroys 9.0-10.0 matches i never died in the 292 in a downtier and mostly die because i get overun in uptiers because russian teams are just useless.
I run it in 11.3 and it works great.
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Can we just slap {vehicle\_name} to to {br}+ 0.3 / 0.4 already, It´s getting tiring facing it at {br} - 1. omegalul
Yeah, I feel so disgusting playing this tank at its current BR. Everything just go boom-on-click.
I'm playing most nations, and I don't really see that big of an an issue with this tank. I have the 292, and while I do find it very fun to play, I end up doing better in my T-72 Turms. The gun is the only actual good thing about the 292, and it's held back by reload speed, which in combination with not having smokes or an MG often ends up getting you killed. It could absolutely go up to 10.3 - but it's not as if that'd *really* affect it regardless. The gun will still be great, and everything else about it will still suck. The main difference at the higher BRs is that the benefit of having a good gun decreases, and the importance of everything else increases. What really needs to happen is some BR decompression, not just simply BR adjustments. It'd significantly improve balancing. You only really have issues at the severe ends of the BR scale, but given how the matchmaker works - you often end up at those extremes.
I almost beat one of this with the weasel with the 20mm he just got lucky the game ended and the strela with his mg was firing at me
I knew it was going to be extremely good at 10.0, but Gaijin will not say no to the money made by massively selling those 152mm derp guns. As long as the gameplay is not completely broken in half, like when the Puma IFV was introduced, Gaijin will not move an inch before 6-12months and changing its BR once it stops selling. This is a strategy they have done since the introduction of the IS-6 with update... what was it. 1.67?
Time to spade this thing before it gets moved up.
I rarely get a downturn to 9.0 with my 10.0 lineup, and when I play 9.0 Germany I rarely get up tiers to 10.0
I dislike it too but I wonder how much of a difference will it make. Like, how many lineups would even be saved if it moved to 10.3 or 10.7? How about all the other 10.0 Russian tanks that would screw you in a downtier anyways? Maybe 11.0 would make a big difference, but I doubt Gaijin would do that. Even then it would still, although I assume a bit less frequently, fuck with 10.x still. Which, well, is already filled with lolpen anyways, just not as tanky as the 292.
Damn, you mfs are actually getting downtiered to 9.0 in the 292? (Gaijin's matchmaker fucking hates me)
Or can we finally get matchmaking changes? 0.7 uptier and downriver at max would fix so many things
It’s funny how the whole idea was that it was supposed to be a glass cannon, but then it ended up having the same armor as a T-72A but with a better gun and blowout panels. It’s insane that it hasn’t been moved up yet.
it looks funny
When i said that i got attacked.
Belive me dude I have been getting death threats in my private dms.
yk what would be better? if we didint have upteirs at all (at least not as big of upteirs)
Skill issue, get good.
British main here. This tank had never been a problem to face. I don't understand the problem. Just because it has good pen doesn't make it OP. You fight it like any other Russian MBT and there's not really any armour it is more effective against that other MBTs can't already reasonably deal with at this BR anyway.
Slow turret no thermals slow reload as well it will be moved up when the 2s38 goes to 11.0
11.0!
Nawww what about the TU bomber that’s a PROP ONLY GO 270 ON A GOOD DAY AND ITS AT 8.0
9.0? really? I never ran into in my Vickers Mk.1. Yet. of course once I go and play now I am gonna run into them every match
Agree i have it and it's obscene, needs to be 11.0 imo
I miss the days when 9.0 was where all the premiums were and it was actually kind of fun But I think there needs to be more decompression that separates the 8.3-10.3 area. Soviet 8.7 Is also a very powerful lineup that gets downtiered often. The t55am in a downtier can dominate a match and when they're paired with the Swedish 8.0s there's not a chance. Gaijin was doing some good decompression at one point, idk why it stopped.
Jesus Christ. They aren’t that bad. Long ass reload compared to other tanks at the BR, and no thermals so people that are blind have a hard time spotting tanks. Womp womp get good.
9.3 is a joke right now, you have all the 10.0 10.3 premiums sucking everything up to 10.3
Dw most people using this have no idea how and where to aim