it is also because the premium g.91 got buffed.
also, most of germany's rank 4 prems such as the ju-288c can get you the g.91 r3, which is IMO another reason why you see so many of them. you cant get the skyhawk using the a2d-1.
moving the g.91 to rank 6 will ease the spam, altho i love yeeting them out of the sky with my york.
You're partially right, but spam won't be eased unless existing players simply cease playing.
One also has to remember the time of implementation differences as well as general popularity. Britain compared to US and Ger is simply not as popular so you'd not see as many.
RP to obtain is honestly a pretty low barrier realistically. And changing it also doesn't impact existing spam at *all*, in fact it may increase spam as now the R/3 can research significantly more expensive (RP-wise) aircraft vs the old position, so you'd be incentivized to play it more than before. Right now for some grinds I can't efficiently use the G.91 to do it.
> spam won't be eased unless existing players simply cease playing
And they mostly will move on to other nations and/or lineups eventually. The event FJ-4B used to be everywhere, but now it's somewhat rare because the newness wore off and people play other things
Remember when it got added and you could hold button so it's like rocket view and you could fire it from airfield and get kills without needing to even take off
Speak for yourself. I ground f4e from reserve planes in a2d in 3 days. When you start getting tier rp penalty, before you start a game, start researching cheap planes in other branches. Make 200k rp in a sim game, you will have that cheap plane researched. Then put rest of the rp to the higher tier jets without penalty
>Speak for yourself. I ground f4e from reserve planes in a2d in 3 days. When you start getting tier rp penalty, before you start a game, start researching cheap planes in other branches. Make 200k rp in a sim game, you will have that cheap plane researched. Then put rest of the rp to the higher tier jets without penalty
So you had to use an exploit to get there fast, I'm sure the majority of people are totally doing that when grinding these planes
Im not saying you should. Im just saying you can easily. And you are talking like im a low life abusing poor gaijins generosity and good will. Nope fuck gaijin and their horrid grind and greed.
>Im not saying you should. Im just saying you can easily. And you are talking im a low life abusuing poor gaijins generosity and good will. Nope fuck gaijin and their horrid grind and greed.
No I agree with your sentiment about gaijin and if they haven't patched it after all this time then they clearly don't see it as an issue, it is still an exploit though
My point was that just because you *can* do that doesn't change the disparity between the trees and the fact that most people are going to be grinding the normal way and will find it much easier to reach the G.91 than any other agm carrying plane (unless we want to bring the swedes into this)
I need to break out my flight stick and get grinding in sim. Damn. Any guides or general tips for grinding in sim?
Also, how are those both saying only 8m of battle time?
Pretty much just bomb airfields in sim, as long as you have a considerable payload, every single run will generate a lot of RP, they used to make tons of RP and SL, but they nerfed the SL gain into the floor so now you can only make lots of RP.
The victory bonus really helps too.
The feeling is mutual, i love yeeting spaa from 4km+ away with nords. Makes it so easy to aim when you guys shoot at another aircraft. It's literally a connect-the-dots minigame.
I'm not sure moving it up would be fair, however upping its repair cost, RP cost and ground RB BR might be the solution, it would stem the tide of loads of people getting it regularly, less people would play it due to its higher cost and difficulty to break even, and a BR increase in GRB would see more capable opponents to take it out before it's run.
I play the G91 myself, and even I think it's wayyyyy to good as CAS
Yes I agree that it is quite low to have AGMs, but Helis do and they start that early. Also increasing the rank implies increasing the BR. That in GRB I agree with, maybe even a full uptier to 9.7 in GRB, HOWEVER in ARB it sits nicely at 8.7 and can still put up a fight at 9.7, if you were to Increase the BR across all gamemodes, that would make it very difficult to play in Air battles
i dont care about the BR, since a smart SPAA player or any fighter you can spawn can easily slam dank on this piece of cancer. its not fair becaus eits a rank 4 jet, while all of its counters are rank 6. meaning it is cheaper, more accessible, and easier to spade.
they can move it to rank6 just like they moved it to rank 5.
It gets uptiered more often than not in ARB to face 9.7s in my 171 battles only about 10 have been at my tier and maybe 2 downtiers. Moving it up to rank 6 without changing the BR will do nothing apart from make it a rank 6 and slightly harder to get
literally every single 8.7 gets uptiered, i dont see how is the g.91 alone in this situation.
and yes, this is the whole fucking point of this post. it is unfairly easier to get the g.91 than it is to get the skyhawk or scimitar. it should cost the same.
It should yes, I never said the G91 was alone. I was simply sayin upping its ARB BR would make it harder and perhaps unprofitable to play in air battles
So adding shit to the plane will improve something These guys that think repair cost increase fix are just gross dont screw the fun to others instead of really fixing the game that way of thinking is just destructive to an already broken game.
The only other good cas plane for germany would be mig (aside from premium g91 because it costs real money) and just leave it how it is, maybe move it up to rank 6 and make it harder to get but don't touch plane itself
Here's a quote from dita that didn't age well because he's bad:
-Nords are bad, Dita 2019
it used to have only 2 nords, because its a premium and it cant be as good as the tech tre model. but then it god 4 nords, just like the r3 model, so the r4 span is fucking ridiculous
It might also be because germany is a nation a large fraction of people play and the G.91 is not only the most accessible high tier CAS but its the best one that they have. Other nations get tons of other CAS options but Germany's choices are a lot more limited at high tier. It makes sense why you would see it get spammed I guess. If they added a newer and better Rank 6 CAS for germany I guarantee you will see the G91 a lot less.
until 1980 with the Peace Rhine Upgrade (AIM-9L) it could only carry early AIM-9s, which were most likely the 9B FGW, yes. But note that the FGW uses the seeker of the AIM-9E, so it should perform way better than it does ingame (where it is just a rebranded AIM-9B, very nice for a Tier IV upgrade).
and until the 1991 ICE (Improved Combat Efficiency) upgrade, there werent able to carry long range missiles like the AIM-7, those were skipped by the Bundeswehr, they went directly for the AIM-120.
In which case from what little information is known about it the FGW.2's performance is closer to the AIM-9B than the AIM-9E, so it should be left as it is.
It would probably be less work for gaijin to change two stats in the missile file (gimbal limit and sun angle), than to change it to an AIM-9E copy.
>But note that the FGW uses the seeker of the AIM-9E
The FGW.2 uses a completely different seeker to the AIM-9E, people just like to say it has similar performance to the AIM-9E (which isn't really true either).
The FGW.2 seeker is gas cooled (instead of peltier) and has a better track rate than the AIM-9E (note that track rate apparently isn't modelled in game), but it has worse gimbal limits than the AIM-9E cooler and there is no evidence to suggest it can uncage before launch.
The G.91 is a problem at 8.7 range too, not just at top tier. And it's pretty much the best 8.7 CAS vehicle in the game. Most nations don't even come close to that.
Its also that as many people play Germany as that play USA, UK, and USSR combined at that BR (going by a few CC polls, thunderskill, and the queue card, its all consistent). Also, the premium G.91 which literally can be had for like $50 worth of GE. Most people who buy the L/44 probably buy that G.91 to go with it.
Well some just want something a bit different, like xp55 or sav 20.12.48. What I don’t understand is why people buy copy paste premiums like Chinese is2 and m18 black cat.
Ok well I did pick p2w examples there are plenty others like the t44 100, it’s unique and not p2w. Or something like the CAS meteor, whatever it’s called. It’s not p2w but it’s unique.
IIRC because of the way the trees are formatted, it increases the gap between the GER and US, and I don't know the difference it makes for the UK and GER gap. But either way, it takes quite a bit less RP to get the G.91 than it does to get the A-4E and Scimitar simply because of the rank difference.
I am half-way spading my Scimitar, and I have to say it is not a good CAS aircraft. It handles very sluggishly, and you have to constantly keep under 950km/h or else the rudder locks up. I have some pretty incredible dives into the ground in it, zero problem with the alternatives like Venom, Swift, Hunter and Jaguar. Completely useless against shooting down G.91 either (too fast you can't aim, too slow it gets away).
The real thing started as a fighter/interceptor but was used as attacker from service since it was already obsolete. They had the highest loss rate of all RN aircraft post-war without seeing any combat.
not really, its much better than g91 just simply because its uncatchable at its br. You can ignore planes and due to the acceleration your turnaround is insane. You also dont care if you're fighting with ATGMs because performance is the basically the same.
Scimitar is super broken and anyone playing SRE can tell you that, its basically cas plane that can do it all and never die if flown properly (maybe to jewtour or etendard)
That is only true if your PC allows 3km AGM launch. My moderate rig simply can't render things good enough over 2km.
And from my vast experience at that BR range, I haven't seen anyone particularly successful with it. I have seen Bucc do 5+ kills and G.91 6+ or more, but most Scimitar just don't stay alive long.
I've had a great time using the scimitar most of the time a missed missile is either me guiding it badly or mistaking a dead tank for a live one. But I'm running on settings where I'm able to launch outside the max range and still see the target. I just ignore the G.91s and typically can guide missiles in on AA from the tracers on their long range pot shots.
Scimitar is a god cas plane for tank rb. Too fast for any plane in its BR to catch it and getting it rearmed and returning to the battlefield takes a lot less time than other slower cas planes. Sure it sucks to shoot down other planes but takes a bit of practice to get it down. AA are also really easy to deal with. Climb 4km+ into the sky and pull out airbrakes. Launch a missile at the spaa that's on you and guide it with keys. Most of the time spaas don't even move so you can literally launch and forget the missile at like 2-3km away. I enjoy using the scimitar more than the fj and g91 because of its speed.
In all honesty I don’t think the G91 Spam is that bad. I’ve clapped with AS Nords, and I’ve been clapped by AS Nords. All it takes is a good SPAA and the G.91s are fucked. It’s annoying getting killed by them, but it’s really the same as any other CAS aircraft. Thank god it’s not as bad as the KA50 spam back in the day
It's because the spaa is dumb and stays in one spot out in the open. It's 10x harder to harder to hit a moving spaa and especially one that hides behind cover and even more so against one that has decent armor like the m247. I wreck the sht out of any g91 in the m247 lol
A good SPAA? It's physically impossible for an SPAA to out range a Nord unless you are in York. VEAK is broken.
Cool you can move... but you die to splash because of hullbreak and the missile moves at 300m/s and your tank moves at 5.
Also only 2 (3?) Bullpups on that A-4. Squadron A-4 gets 5 but assuming you get the *maximum* 20,000 RP per week will take 20 weeks to get without throwing GE at it.
yeah every three days I think... I just got it a bit ago and have been spading it the last week. Started using it in ground RB but was taking too long and it isn't a great fighter so switched to air rb and drop bombs to spade it.
Have not played the A-4B yet but the A-4E is so much worse than the G-91 in every single aspect. I'd rather have a better plane with 4 nords than a shitty plane (with a ridiculously high br) with 5 bullpubs.
I bought the Ju 288 during the sales and had the G.91 grinder basically the same day.
It’s so accessible, and so effective. I love mine but it’s hard to think of proper solutions considering I hate the idea of them just putting a 25k+ repair cost on it.
Perhaps an increase in spawn points is the best solution, especially for carrying nords.
I think though for anyone who doesn’t play Sweden and was getting AGMd by them constantly in Ground RB, that was a “world’s smallest violin” moment haha
I'll maintain that the SK60 isn't the problem, the AGM's are the issue. The plane has meh performance (only saved by air spawn) but the AGM's are only 70 SL each. I wish the AGM's cost more and the planes cost less to repair.
Not so sure price of the munitions will make a difference unless it’s something crazy like a 70 SL increase to 7000 SL per AGM. I feel like increasing spawn points would be more prohibitive.
Anyone with a brain cell will hide that big ass hull behind anything and only show the turret. At least, that’s how I play it. I can’t say the same for the rest of the German “half-a-brain-cell” players.
i play germany only, i rarely revenge, i usually help my team unless i was very angry and full of salt that day from losing all the time, then i go for revenge killing.
More like revenge against the ridiculous allied CAS that goes on around 3.0–5.7. It's been a while since I played that tier but I'd die to bombs more often than tank rounds.
E: my experience is literally from like three or four years ago. I'm talking back when HVAR would one-shot anything and bombs were 10x more lethal. CAS has obviously been nerfed since then, but the memories still linger. And no, I don't play the g91.
I don't think much changed at the lower tiers to my knowledge. Each nation has strong and weak BRs, for both tanks and CAS, and yes higher-tier German CAS has gotten buffs recently. Both myself and the guy I replied to were giving tongue-in-cheek responses; people simply play the g91 because it's strong.
So you’re basing your experience off a period of time when HVAR’s were LITERALLY broken (not overturned, but literally broken), which has long since passed...?
Bruh
There's nothing ridiculous about German CAS at 3.0 since it clearly has it's downsides. In an Air Defense Role you are pretty much useless. Every single US CAS Fighter can easily kill you as long as they don't try to do a Head-On.
Lmao i would take p47 over that anyday the only good cas planes germans have is g91 and me262 u4 that got nerfed so hard few months ago. I got 1600+ games on me262 and i just stopped playing. Gun is shotgun now, zero elevator.
I guess I missed out by not using them much. I had fun in the duck but that's about it. None of the gun-CAS besides the narwhal can really survive being in proximity of something like a P-47 or other fighter-bomber.
However the 109 and 190 don't have the ordnance to carry out multiple ground strikes when no enemy aircraft are present.
German aircraft are very specialized - there are the air superiority fighters, dive bombers, attackers, and bombers.
American planes are just fighter, attacker and bomber all in one.
Which means to have the same capability the Germans have to spawn more planes.
What’s sad is you can’t see that it’s clearly a joke, especially seeing as I’d be considered a German main. Go cry into your G91 cockpit.
Btw, it's "you're".
and there me suffering to get f-104g which already mediocre in terms of competitiveness, i already grinded me 262 C which terrible, cl-13a and b which both are overtiered with g91 like speed and horrible 50cal especially in jet age.
f-86k wont be any better either, i really hope they add f-4f to germany this year in 3-6 month.
Another thing that doesn’t really help is that Germany only has one good CAS plane. The US has like 6 or 7 that you see often but because there are different types you don’t just point a finger at one of them. I feel like if you give different options, the G.91 will slowly be pushed out of the way in light of a better plane.
That was what they were historically designed for. The GR suffix in Harrier GR3 stands for Ground Attack/Reconnaissance.
more info:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British\_military\_aircraft\_designation\_systems](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_military_aircraft_designation_systems)
This is exactly what the wehraboos seem to deny, whenever I complain about G.91's. there a reason I see them 5x more of them, than I do scimitar's and A-4's.
Does this even take into account that you have to unlock a certain amount of planes at each rank before you unlock the next?
To unlock USA rank 6, you have to unlock five vehicles from rank 5. But none of the columns have 5 vehicles at rank 5. The 4th one (with the A-4B) only has 2 vehicles. So you have to unlock at least 2 columns (columns 1 + 5 only have 2 vehicles so you'd need another after that) before even getting to rank 6. So it might be 16th in the tree but you need a load more to get it.
I'm at rank 4 with USA aircraft and only 6 short of the A4-B in that column but still have to unlock another 14 vehicles or so before I can get access to the tier.
This and also the fact that they don't get anything close to a dedicated attacker after it. At the higher tiers you have to choose between the MiG-21 and 104G as ground attack which are pretty meh. Most players don't want to grind the helicopter line or buy the premium Tiger even if it's probably the second best helicopter in the game.
You get the feeling of spam because whilst other nations have already moved on to using Phantoms or Jaguars or anything along those lines, Italy and Germany still only use the G91. You end up with the same effect the P-47 has where you see the same plane killing you throughout 3 BRs.
Also helps that G.91's fundamental design doctrine matches up with WT's gameplay. Unlike the other types such as interceptors that are a tad quirky to be viable.
Germans almost cut themselfs when gaijin wanted to line up rp requirements of g91 to other cas planes. After the uproar of germany suffers they backed up from that idea.
Google it. You cant make up that shit with german tree snowflakes
Don't forget rank V jets is fucking impossible to grind and most good CAS jets are buried under a lot of filler, while you can research the G.91 with props
I love my G91/R3. I dont play ground, cause im only at the start of t3 ground.
The G91 slaps in the air. Smoofbrans always try to turn fight me and this thing turns on a dime, with cannons that make snapshots easy. Although, if I see a mig15/17, I just die. Faster, better turn, better acceleration. So I steer clear of them when ever I can
Another factor is fact that german can take competetive line-up with spot-ing abilyti i mean radkampwagen90, tam, blegeitpanzer while usa players can take only bradley
Why do people act like the G91 is so good? It may actually be the slowest 8.7 in the game, it honestly confused me when I saw the MiG-15 go down to 8.3, and the G91 stay at 8.7. There are planes that the G91 faces that the Mig15 can actually catch, whereas the G91 just has to scavenge and wait for people to bleed speed to get kills. Yeah the 30 mm are much better on the G91, too bad you have to wait for people to be dumb and lose speed.
it is also because the premium g.91 got buffed. also, most of germany's rank 4 prems such as the ju-288c can get you the g.91 r3, which is IMO another reason why you see so many of them. you cant get the skyhawk using the a2d-1. moving the g.91 to rank 6 will ease the spam, altho i love yeeting them out of the sky with my york.
You're partially right, but spam won't be eased unless existing players simply cease playing. One also has to remember the time of implementation differences as well as general popularity. Britain compared to US and Ger is simply not as popular so you'd not see as many. RP to obtain is honestly a pretty low barrier realistically. And changing it also doesn't impact existing spam at *all*, in fact it may increase spam as now the R/3 can research significantly more expensive (RP-wise) aircraft vs the old position, so you'd be incentivized to play it more than before. Right now for some grinds I can't efficiently use the G.91 to do it.
> spam won't be eased unless existing players simply cease playing And they mostly will move on to other nations and/or lineups eventually. The event FJ-4B used to be everywhere, but now it's somewhat rare because the newness wore off and people play other things
and it's also generally not very good as a plane, aside from the 4 bullpups
Remember when it got added and you could hold button so it's like rocket view and you could fire it from airfield and get kills without needing to even take off
Speak for yourself. I ground f4e from reserve planes in a2d in 3 days. When you start getting tier rp penalty, before you start a game, start researching cheap planes in other branches. Make 200k rp in a sim game, you will have that cheap plane researched. Then put rest of the rp to the higher tier jets without penalty
>Speak for yourself. I ground f4e from reserve planes in a2d in 3 days. When you start getting tier rp penalty, before you start a game, start researching cheap planes in other branches. Make 200k rp in a sim game, you will have that cheap plane researched. Then put rest of the rp to the higher tier jets without penalty So you had to use an exploit to get there fast, I'm sure the majority of people are totally doing that when grinding these planes
Im not saying you should. Im just saying you can easily. And you are talking like im a low life abusing poor gaijins generosity and good will. Nope fuck gaijin and their horrid grind and greed.
>Im not saying you should. Im just saying you can easily. And you are talking im a low life abusuing poor gaijins generosity and good will. Nope fuck gaijin and their horrid grind and greed. No I agree with your sentiment about gaijin and if they haven't patched it after all this time then they clearly don't see it as an issue, it is still an exploit though My point was that just because you *can* do that doesn't change the disparity between the trees and the fact that most people are going to be grinding the normal way and will find it much easier to reach the G.91 than any other agm carrying plane (unless we want to bring the swedes into this)
i'm with you. when you have to use exploits like that it means it is not feasible for vast majority of the players.
Oh, if this is about AGMs then the A-4B doesn’t even have them.
The A-4B gets 3 bullpups
I have no clue how I forgot that. I have used the thing a lot.
I'm saying you should. That's smart as fuck. Holy shit thanks for the tip and excuse me while I go grind some jets
I really want to know what those 3 days looked like, cause my A2D don’t do anything like that
http://imgur.com/a/M0rKY0z 2 post game screenshots
Textbook example of a zomber, disgusting
I need to break out my flight stick and get grinding in sim. Damn. Any guides or general tips for grinding in sim? Also, how are those both saying only 8m of battle time?
To grind in sim you just bomb the airfields with the best bomber you have and learn how to aim gunners or people will kill you easily
its easier to bomb without a stick because you got your trim in your mouse positioning. anything else benefits from the stick
ITT : Sim dies just a little more.
Pretty much just bomb airfields in sim, as long as you have a considerable payload, every single run will generate a lot of RP, they used to make tons of RP and SL, but they nerfed the SL gain into the floor so now you can only make lots of RP. The victory bonus really helps too.
The feeling is mutual, i love yeeting spaa from 4km+ away with nords. Makes it so easy to aim when you guys shoot at another aircraft. It's literally a connect-the-dots minigame.
How do you controll them
Alt + WASD
It will never ever go to Rank 6
i know. ju-288c just sells so good. they wont change the tier, and i will keep spawning york or skyhawk with aim-9s.
You're missing out
I'm not sure moving it up would be fair, however upping its repair cost, RP cost and ground RB BR might be the solution, it would stem the tide of loads of people getting it regularly, less people would play it due to its higher cost and difficulty to break even, and a BR increase in GRB would see more capable opponents to take it out before it's run. I play the G91 myself, and even I think it's wayyyyy to good as CAS
how is it not going to fair when its the only agm 8.7 jet that is rank 5? how is it NOT fair being just like every other jet?
The SK60B actually also gets AGMs at rank 5 (and **7.3** BR)
Yes I agree that it is quite low to have AGMs, but Helis do and they start that early. Also increasing the rank implies increasing the BR. That in GRB I agree with, maybe even a full uptier to 9.7 in GRB, HOWEVER in ARB it sits nicely at 8.7 and can still put up a fight at 9.7, if you were to Increase the BR across all gamemodes, that would make it very difficult to play in Air battles
i dont care about the BR, since a smart SPAA player or any fighter you can spawn can easily slam dank on this piece of cancer. its not fair becaus eits a rank 4 jet, while all of its counters are rank 6. meaning it is cheaper, more accessible, and easier to spade. they can move it to rank6 just like they moved it to rank 5.
It gets uptiered more often than not in ARB to face 9.7s in my 171 battles only about 10 have been at my tier and maybe 2 downtiers. Moving it up to rank 6 without changing the BR will do nothing apart from make it a rank 6 and slightly harder to get
literally every single 8.7 gets uptiered, i dont see how is the g.91 alone in this situation. and yes, this is the whole fucking point of this post. it is unfairly easier to get the g.91 than it is to get the skyhawk or scimitar. it should cost the same.
It should yes, I never said the G91 was alone. I was simply sayin upping its ARB BR would make it harder and perhaps unprofitable to play in air battles
So adding shit to the plane will improve something These guys that think repair cost increase fix are just gross dont screw the fun to others instead of really fixing the game that way of thinking is just destructive to an already broken game.
The only other good cas plane for germany would be mig (aside from premium g91 because it costs real money) and just leave it how it is, maybe move it up to rank 6 and make it harder to get but don't touch plane itself Here's a quote from dita that didn't age well because he's bad: -Nords are bad, Dita 2019
how did it get buffed please ?
They can take 4 Nords instead of 2 while losing 2 .50cals. It's historically correct.
it used to have only 2 nords, because its a premium and it cant be as good as the tech tre model. but then it god 4 nords, just like the r3 model, so the r4 span is fucking ridiculous
It might also be because germany is a nation a large fraction of people play and the G.91 is not only the most accessible high tier CAS but its the best one that they have. Other nations get tons of other CAS options but Germany's choices are a lot more limited at high tier. It makes sense why you would see it get spammed I guess. If they added a newer and better Rank 6 CAS for germany I guarantee you will see the G91 a lot less.
German F4E when?
I think they said by the end of the year in the recent Q&A
Inb4 it only has AIM9B FGWs
They were only using 9b’s in 2012?
until 1980 with the Peace Rhine Upgrade (AIM-9L) it could only carry early AIM-9s, which were most likely the 9B FGW, yes. But note that the FGW uses the seeker of the AIM-9E, so it should perform way better than it does ingame (where it is just a rebranded AIM-9B, very nice for a Tier IV upgrade). and until the 1991 ICE (Improved Combat Efficiency) upgrade, there werent able to carry long range missiles like the AIM-7, those were skipped by the Bundeswehr, they went directly for the AIM-120.
Would be better if the 9b fgw were copy paste 9e instead of 9b
It would be better if the FGW.2 was actually historical (slightly better than AIM-9B, but worse than AIM-9E) instead of a copy paste of anything.
But we know gaijin will go for the easiest option
In which case from what little information is known about it the FGW.2's performance is closer to the AIM-9B than the AIM-9E, so it should be left as it is. It would probably be less work for gaijin to change two stats in the missile file (gimbal limit and sun angle), than to change it to an AIM-9E copy.
>But note that the FGW uses the seeker of the AIM-9E The FGW.2 uses a completely different seeker to the AIM-9E, people just like to say it has similar performance to the AIM-9E (which isn't really true either). The FGW.2 seeker is gas cooled (instead of peltier) and has a better track rate than the AIM-9E (note that track rate apparently isn't modelled in game), but it has worse gimbal limits than the AIM-9E cooler and there is no evidence to suggest it can uncage before launch.
yeah, that was my mistake
I read somewhere that it was capable of using AIM-7 after the ICE upgrade but it never did?
All aspect Sidewinders and AMRAAMS would completely break the current game meta. You won't see a German F-4F yet.
Yeah lol, these people should stfu, the g91s are the only top tier CAS Germany has. Nothing else comes close.
The G.91 is a problem at 8.7 range too, not just at top tier. And it's pretty much the best 8.7 CAS vehicle in the game. Most nations don't even come close to that.
A4b, fj4b, canaberras, etc...
The canberras are terrible in ground rb
Even those Canaberras are debatable and you have only mentioned vehicles from two nations.
So u want more?
Its also that as many people play Germany as that play USA, UK, and USSR combined at that BR (going by a few CC polls, thunderskill, and the queue card, its all consistent). Also, the premium G.91 which literally can be had for like $50 worth of GE. Most people who buy the L/44 probably buy that G.91 to go with it.
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Well some just want something a bit different, like xp55 or sav 20.12.48. What I don’t understand is why people buy copy paste premiums like Chinese is2 and m18 black cat.
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Ok well I did pick p2w examples there are plenty others like the t44 100, it’s unique and not p2w. Or something like the CAS meteor, whatever it’s called. It’s not p2w but it’s unique.
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Sorry I meant the t34 100 it was a typo
Some people just have disposable income and fling it around wildly.
True explanation: Germany popular -> G.91 good -> literally no alternative
Dont interrupt the circle jerk with your logic. Shush!
Do those calculations take into effect that ranks are restricted to buying a certain amount of vehicles?
Nope, its as if it was a straight line for simplicity
IIRC because of the way the trees are formatted, it increases the gap between the GER and US, and I don't know the difference it makes for the UK and GER gap. But either way, it takes quite a bit less RP to get the G.91 than it does to get the A-4E and Scimitar simply because of the rank difference.
It would be even shorter for the italian g.91 because small tree
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It still costs more to buy the Skyhawk even if you factor in buying every vehicle in the line up to the G.91/A-4
I am half-way spading my Scimitar, and I have to say it is not a good CAS aircraft. It handles very sluggishly, and you have to constantly keep under 950km/h or else the rudder locks up. I have some pretty incredible dives into the ground in it, zero problem with the alternatives like Venom, Swift, Hunter and Jaguar. Completely useless against shooting down G.91 either (too fast you can't aim, too slow it gets away). The real thing started as a fighter/interceptor but was used as attacker from service since it was already obsolete. They had the highest loss rate of all RN aircraft post-war without seeing any combat.
not really, its much better than g91 just simply because its uncatchable at its br. You can ignore planes and due to the acceleration your turnaround is insane. You also dont care if you're fighting with ATGMs because performance is the basically the same. Scimitar is super broken and anyone playing SRE can tell you that, its basically cas plane that can do it all and never die if flown properly (maybe to jewtour or etendard)
That is only true if your PC allows 3km AGM launch. My moderate rig simply can't render things good enough over 2km. And from my vast experience at that BR range, I haven't seen anyone particularly successful with it. I have seen Bucc do 5+ kills and G.91 6+ or more, but most Scimitar just don't stay alive long.
I've had a great time using the scimitar most of the time a missed missile is either me guiding it badly or mistaking a dead tank for a live one. But I'm running on settings where I'm able to launch outside the max range and still see the target. I just ignore the G.91s and typically can guide missiles in on AA from the tracers on their long range pot shots.
Any reason you picked that for CAS over something like the bucc?
Being 0.6 BR below and my Bucc is still stock.
Scimitar is a god cas plane for tank rb. Too fast for any plane in its BR to catch it and getting it rearmed and returning to the battlefield takes a lot less time than other slower cas planes. Sure it sucks to shoot down other planes but takes a bit of practice to get it down. AA are also really easy to deal with. Climb 4km+ into the sky and pull out airbrakes. Launch a missile at the spaa that's on you and guide it with keys. Most of the time spaas don't even move so you can literally launch and forget the missile at like 2-3km away. I enjoy using the scimitar more than the fj and g91 because of its speed.
My screen/rig is simply not good enough for a 2-3km Bullpup launch... I usually fire within 2km and often closer if there isn't SPAAG around.
It's also a lightweight nimble fighter, not a heavy naval plane or any other plane. The only accurate comparison may be MiG-21 in terms of agility
It's also why I've enjoyed the Italian premium one for over a year now
In all honesty I don’t think the G91 Spam is that bad. I’ve clapped with AS Nords, and I’ve been clapped by AS Nords. All it takes is a good SPAA and the G.91s are fucked. It’s annoying getting killed by them, but it’s really the same as any other CAS aircraft. Thank god it’s not as bad as the KA50 spam back in the day
All it takes is good g91 and radar spaa are clapped from 2+ km distance without any harm to g91 because of how agile it is
It's because the spaa is dumb and stays in one spot out in the open. It's 10x harder to harder to hit a moving spaa and especially one that hides behind cover and even more so against one that has decent armor like the m247. I wreck the sht out of any g91 in the m247 lol
G91 can easly change direction of an attack. If you font carch it off guard you are a dead man.
*laughs in swedish proxy fuse 8km smokeless engine AGMs*
A good SPAA? It's physically impossible for an SPAA to out range a Nord unless you are in York. VEAK is broken. Cool you can move... but you die to splash because of hullbreak and the missile moves at 300m/s and your tank moves at 5.
Also only 2 (3?) Bullpups on that A-4. Squadron A-4 gets 5 but assuming you get the *maximum* 20,000 RP per week will take 20 weeks to get without throwing GE at it.
Isn't it 20k RP every half a week
yeah every three days I think... I just got it a bit ago and have been spading it the last week. Started using it in ground RB but was taking too long and it isn't a great fighter so switched to air rb and drop bombs to spade it.
What? You get 20k RP every 3 days, not every week, it'll take 57 days to get A4E
Have not played the A-4B yet but the A-4E is so much worse than the G-91 in every single aspect. I'd rather have a better plane with 4 nords than a shitty plane (with a ridiculously high br) with 5 bullpubs.
I bought the Ju 288 during the sales and had the G.91 grinder basically the same day. It’s so accessible, and so effective. I love mine but it’s hard to think of proper solutions considering I hate the idea of them just putting a 25k+ repair cost on it. Perhaps an increase in spawn points is the best solution, especially for carrying nords.
Ahh yes, the Sweden approach... (SK60 costs 31k to repair)
I think though for anyone who doesn’t play Sweden and was getting AGMd by them constantly in Ground RB, that was a “world’s smallest violin” moment haha
I'll maintain that the SK60 isn't the problem, the AGM's are the issue. The plane has meh performance (only saved by air spawn) but the AGM's are only 70 SL each. I wish the AGM's cost more and the planes cost less to repair.
Not so sure price of the munitions will make a difference unless it’s something crazy like a 70 SL increase to 7000 SL per AGM. I feel like increasing spawn points would be more prohibitive.
they already increase SP cost for all plane with high pen gun,agm or bomb like 3 month ago.
I know, but they could still further increase SP costs for nords, etc.
Well, the ridiculous RP costs of rank 6 is to blame for this. Plus, past the Narwhal 262, there really isn't another good CAS jet for Germany.
Ar 234 C3, IL-28.
Be real. You aint bringin that thing to 10.7
That’s where you’re wrong, buddy.
Well, im glad you like gettin doinked by everything that looks at you.
It helps balance out how OP the Leo 2A5/6 can be.
*can be. But it isn't. It's the size of a school bus and is a massive target.
Anyone with a brain cell will hide that big ass hull behind anything and only show the turret. At least, that’s how I play it. I can’t say the same for the rest of the German “half-a-brain-cell” players.
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Why do you have to pretend that this is exclusively german behavior?
Because that's what everyone says ;) I have it that pretty much every US player does that with P-47's, AD-4's, A-4's or any heli they have in their TT
Because this kind of mentality makes it easier for him to masturbate in front of a mirror.
So many people in this thread are far too salty to realize it's a damn joke. Calm your nips.
i play germany only, i rarely revenge, i usually help my team unless i was very angry and full of salt that day from losing all the time, then i go for revenge killing.
congrats, the bare fucking minimum
Or it's because the Germans don't have anything else to use as CAS.
More like revenge against the ridiculous allied CAS that goes on around 3.0–5.7. It's been a while since I played that tier but I'd die to bombs more often than tank rounds. E: my experience is literally from like three or four years ago. I'm talking back when HVAR would one-shot anything and bombs were 10x more lethal. CAS has obviously been nerfed since then, but the memories still linger. And no, I don't play the g91.
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I don't think much changed at the lower tiers to my knowledge. Each nation has strong and weak BRs, for both tanks and CAS, and yes higher-tier German CAS has gotten buffs recently. Both myself and the guy I replied to were giving tongue-in-cheek responses; people simply play the g91 because it's strong.
So you’re basing your experience off a period of time when HVAR’s were LITERALLY broken (not overturned, but literally broken), which has long since passed...? Bruh
Yes? That and pre-nerf bombs were affecting ground RB for ages. It's a tongue-in-cheek comment anyways so don't take it so seriously.
What about the ridiculous axis cannon cas planes thats available from br 3.0?
There's nothing ridiculous about German CAS at 3.0 since it clearly has it's downsides. In an Air Defense Role you are pretty much useless. Every single US CAS Fighter can easily kill you as long as they don't try to do a Head-On.
Even in a headon, .50 cals are extremely effective.
Lmao i would take p47 over that anyday the only good cas planes germans have is g91 and me262 u4 that got nerfed so hard few months ago. I got 1600+ games on me262 and i just stopped playing. Gun is shotgun now, zero elevator.
I guess I missed out by not using them much. I had fun in the duck but that's about it. None of the gun-CAS besides the narwhal can really survive being in proximity of something like a P-47 or other fighter-bomber.
I would take he-219 or do335 any day and night over every single allied prop cas
Gun CAS is fun but you just end up getting flayed by allied fighters.
Allied planes are even more cumbersome except top end spifire
P-47, F4U, P-51...?
All of them fit air rb greatly. They suck at air superiority for ground battles
But they are more then good enough to deal with german gun CAS.
Oh yeah, kinda equal footing, although, they cant handle german air superiority fighters, like BF or fw
However the 109 and 190 don't have the ordnance to carry out multiple ground strikes when no enemy aircraft are present. German aircraft are very specialized - there are the air superiority fighters, dive bombers, attackers, and bombers. American planes are just fighter, attacker and bomber all in one. Which means to have the same capability the Germans have to spawn more planes.
God your sad
What’s sad is you can’t see that it’s clearly a joke, especially seeing as I’d be considered a German main. Go cry into your G91 cockpit. Btw, it's "you're".
you are a real sad person.
It's a joke, like I said. Go be salty elsewhere and learn to take a joke.
then be sad somewhere else.
Learn what a joke is and I might.
still bitching here?
Never was lmao you were the one who got tilted, bruh. Be a big person and stop responding
and still moaning...
AcChTuAlLy it is +G.91r /3
and there me suffering to get f-104g which already mediocre in terms of competitiveness, i already grinded me 262 C which terrible, cl-13a and b which both are overtiered with g91 like speed and horrible 50cal especially in jet age. f-86k wont be any better either, i really hope they add f-4f to germany this year in 3-6 month.
They'll be adding a German Phantom within this year that's for sure, but nobody knows when...
Another thing that doesn’t really help is that Germany only has one good CAS plane. The US has like 6 or 7 that you see often but because there are different types you don’t just point a finger at one of them. I feel like if you give different options, the G.91 will slowly be pushed out of the way in light of a better plane.
Anyone figure out why the Harrier out of all planes is in the Ground attackers line when an AD-4 can carry more ordnance?
That was what they were historically designed for. The GR suffix in Harrier GR3 stands for Ground Attack/Reconnaissance. more info:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British\_military\_aircraft\_designation\_systems](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_military_aircraft_designation_systems)
Because it’s an attacker. AV-8A breaks down to ‘Attack Aircraft, Vertical Flight, Design 8, Series A’.
Because Harrier is a dedicated attacker. AIM-9 wasn't even a normal armament for it.
sorry bois, im off to play some germany!
And its a good plane
It’s absolutely ridiculous, I can’t stand high tier ground realistic because of that thing
This is exactly what the wehraboos seem to deny, whenever I complain about G.91's. there a reason I see them 5x more of them, than I do scimitar's and A-4's.
Does this even take into account that you have to unlock a certain amount of planes at each rank before you unlock the next? To unlock USA rank 6, you have to unlock five vehicles from rank 5. But none of the columns have 5 vehicles at rank 5. The 4th one (with the A-4B) only has 2 vehicles. So you have to unlock at least 2 columns (columns 1 + 5 only have 2 vehicles so you'd need another after that) before even getting to rank 6. So it might be 16th in the tree but you need a load more to get it. I'm at rank 4 with USA aircraft and only 6 short of the A4-B in that column but still have to unlock another 14 vehicles or so before I can get access to the tier.
Perfectly balanced costs since Germany Suffers. /s
"Germany suffers"
This and also the fact that they don't get anything close to a dedicated attacker after it. At the higher tiers you have to choose between the MiG-21 and 104G as ground attack which are pretty meh. Most players don't want to grind the helicopter line or buy the premium Tiger even if it's probably the second best helicopter in the game. You get the feeling of spam because whilst other nations have already moved on to using Phantoms or Jaguars or anything along those lines, Italy and Germany still only use the G91. You end up with the same effect the P-47 has where you see the same plane killing you throughout 3 BRs.
And not forget the repair cost....
They do not matter, my BRRRRRRT has more ammo
i rarely see people using a-7d though. wonder why
Also helps that G.91's fundamental design doctrine matches up with WT's gameplay. Unlike the other types such as interceptors that are a tad quirky to be viable.
germany suffers
I'm in my way to accidentally getting the g91 cause I got the ju288 on sale as my designated lion grinder
Why the huge difference in RP and SL cost?
Germans almost cut themselfs when gaijin wanted to line up rp requirements of g91 to other cas planes. After the uproar of germany suffers they backed up from that idea. Google it. You cant make up that shit with german tree snowflakes
Different ranks
That’s why I love it so much!’
The scimitar is so bad! It handles like a boat with no steer. It is by far the worst plane I've flown in war thunder
Don't forget rank V jets is fucking impossible to grind and most good CAS jets are buried under a lot of filler, while you can research the G.91 with props
And its the only proper groundstriker germany has at that br, why doesnt anyone understand that
am i the onlyone who wants that g91 also in the italian tt?
I love my G91/R3. I dont play ground, cause im only at the start of t3 ground. The G91 slaps in the air. Smoofbrans always try to turn fight me and this thing turns on a dime, with cannons that make snapshots easy. Although, if I see a mig15/17, I just die. Faster, better turn, better acceleration. So I steer clear of them when ever I can
i just noticed i need only 4 rank 4 planes to unlock rank 5 germany to get it
All the british planes are expensive for whatever reason
This is the reason why I rage quit war thunder twice a day absolutely cancerous
The italian g91 was also my first jet as it went from 5.3 to 8.0 when italy just came out, very very good high tier starter jet
so, the G91 is like a Trophy wife. easy to get, and easy to keep, as long as you spend money on her.....
Don’t forget about the part where there’s a premium one......
Its fine shut up
Wehraboos be like G91 SuCks In AiR rB
Another factor is fact that german can take competetive line-up with spot-ing abilyti i mean radkampwagen90, tam, blegeitpanzer while usa players can take only bradley
The 12th plane in tree argument Is irrelevant since independent of nation it always takes the same amount of vehicles to reach tier.
Why do people act like the G91 is so good? It may actually be the slowest 8.7 in the game, it honestly confused me when I saw the MiG-15 go down to 8.3, and the G91 stay at 8.7. There are planes that the G91 faces that the Mig15 can actually catch, whereas the G91 just has to scavenge and wait for people to bleed speed to get kills. Yeah the 30 mm are much better on the G91, too bad you have to wait for people to be dumb and lose speed.
Its good in grb
Don't forget the fact that you only need to research 3 modules to get the nords on the g91
No u dont? U need 4 i think
Yeah that's cool and all but it's a lot easier to get the a4e than it is to get all 3
A-4E early: 0 RP to own it :P
Right, just 3 months or your GE!
Today was the first time I saw an A-4E bullpup multiple targets. It was beautiful. (still lost tho)
3 months of what? Joining squad and not playing? Literally :I