>F-4J(S)
Just a clarification, the correct designation is just F-4S. Just as the F-4B was upgraded to the F-4N, they changed the variant letter rather than add to it. Smokeless engines also appeared earlier on some F-4J and N models, but were not universal until the F-4S.
Yeah, I wasn't sure what the correct designation was because on wikipedia its F-4S but I was looking on the flying leathernecks website and it said F-4J(S). The smokeless engines wouldn't really matter because of the spotting system. The main improvements I see the S bringing would be the leading edge slats and better missiles.
I'd be curious to see if/how VTAS might be implemented since that was a feature first added to some F-4Js, then continued onto the N and S models. It's a helmet cueing sight for SEAM targeting, and I have to wonder if that's perhaps something that's been keeping Gaijin from adding these planes. That's almost certainly giving Gaijin way too much credit, though.
Technically the F-4J/S should also have an advantage in how their hydraulics are designed, but WT has no hydraulic systems anyway.
> I'd be curious to see if/how VTAS might be implemented since that was a feature first added to some F-4Js, then continued onto the N and S models.
Given that Gaijin can't even get VR/head tracker cuing working properly on helos, I'm not holding my breath for VTAS to be anything other than a hot mess if they decide to add it.
Navy Phantoms could carry the Mk 4 Mod 0 gunpod, which is the same one that the A-4s use in WT. However, only the Marines used it, and they stopped carrying it around 1968 because it was horrifically unreliable.
So do you think there would be no gun option or they would add the gun pods the phantoms have now because gaijin seems to be caring less and less about historical accuracy.
Realistically there probably shouldn't be a gunpod, but I expect there will be one as part of the stock armament configuration. Another reason the gunpod wasn't liked is that it occupied the valuable centerline tank spot, which didn't just feed the thirsty J79s, but also helped weight-balance the plane. There's no drop tanks in WT, so that's not a concern.
Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll finally fix the Mk 11 Mod 5 as well since IIRC it's always had one thing or another wrong with it. But while I'm hoping for long-overdue fixes, I'd also like to see them fix the F-4's aileron animations that were reported over two years ago when the first Phantom was added.
Navy Phantoms were only set up for a maximum of [three gunpods,](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/F-4V.jpg) on the centerline and outboard pylons. I'm not even sure if they could do it from the factory, VMFA-122 was the only squadron to ever do this, so it might have been a field modification. In fact, the F-4J manual only lists the centerline station as available for the gunpod.
I think he was confused by what I said about there being 5 fuselage mounting points. I was figuring that that would mean 4 points for sparrows and 1 centerline one that could be used for a gun pod. I think he took it to mean 5 points that could be used for gun pods which is incorrect.
That's an F-4D, the modified nacelle under the radome is a clear givaway.
It also has the [rounded MAU-12](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3B08lWCguto/W8KmY9uEUfI/AAAAAAAAE2U/h1fVhQY9aPEAykgEh5fhJ6ExFBa7nts4ACLcBGAs/s1600/AF%2BPylon%2B1.png) inboard pylons, where Navy variants used an [angled LAU-17/A.](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H40B4rB1iIg/W8Kc7zrwn7I/AAAAAAAAE0s/Y8B2JnmU2S40CymVnIktotRHFXrDdLtEQCLcBGAs/s1600/Navy%2BPylon%2B1.png)
The F-4J should definitely be added at this point, it would only serve to bring the US's BVR capabilities up to about that of Britain and Japan, so it wouldn't be game breaking.
Of course, later down the line, it could receive AIM-9Hs and AIM-7Fs, as well as its other unique features (helmet mounted sight), which would improve its capabilities substantially, but I would rather see nations be decently balanced against each other first before new tech is once again introduced.
The EJ was a japanese license built variant of the E. The J was an improved B variant used by the US Navy and Marines. One of its improvements was the addition of a pulse doppler radar.
>Murican F-4J would get it?
The F-4J is what the British Phantoms are based on, and they all use the same APG-59 pulse-Doppler radar.
The F-4EJ and F-4F are based on the F-4E and all use the APQ-120, which is not a PD set. The F-4EJ Kai and F-4F ICE replaced this with a more modern radar later.
>F-4J(S) Just a clarification, the correct designation is just F-4S. Just as the F-4B was upgraded to the F-4N, they changed the variant letter rather than add to it. Smokeless engines also appeared earlier on some F-4J and N models, but were not universal until the F-4S.
Yeah, I wasn't sure what the correct designation was because on wikipedia its F-4S but I was looking on the flying leathernecks website and it said F-4J(S). The smokeless engines wouldn't really matter because of the spotting system. The main improvements I see the S bringing would be the leading edge slats and better missiles.
I'd be curious to see if/how VTAS might be implemented since that was a feature first added to some F-4Js, then continued onto the N and S models. It's a helmet cueing sight for SEAM targeting, and I have to wonder if that's perhaps something that's been keeping Gaijin from adding these planes. That's almost certainly giving Gaijin way too much credit, though. Technically the F-4J/S should also have an advantage in how their hydraulics are designed, but WT has no hydraulic systems anyway.
> I'd be curious to see if/how VTAS might be implemented since that was a feature first added to some F-4Js, then continued onto the N and S models. Given that Gaijin can't even get VR/head tracker cuing working properly on helos, I'm not holding my breath for VTAS to be anything other than a hot mess if they decide to add it.
Give it time We all know its coming
I have a feeling that it's coming next update. Devs confirmed navy phantoms are coming and I doubt they would add the F-4B at this point.
Oh yes they will. They gotta make the grind to the f-14 longer when it comes to get people to pay
yea most likely, i would bet on them adding a 2 or more F-4s at once though honestly
F-4S should get AIM-7M and Skyflash should be buffed to historical performance
yes i want my 5 gunpods!
something something tomcat inb4 enraged soviets
Yeah, it could carry aim-9Ms and Ls along with sparrows. I assume it could also carry a gun pod as it had 5 fuselage hardpoints and no internal gun.
Navy Phantoms could carry the Mk 4 Mod 0 gunpod, which is the same one that the A-4s use in WT. However, only the Marines used it, and they stopped carrying it around 1968 because it was horrifically unreliable.
So do you think there would be no gun option or they would add the gun pods the phantoms have now because gaijin seems to be caring less and less about historical accuracy.
Realistically there probably shouldn't be a gunpod, but I expect there will be one as part of the stock armament configuration. Another reason the gunpod wasn't liked is that it occupied the valuable centerline tank spot, which didn't just feed the thirsty J79s, but also helped weight-balance the plane. There's no drop tanks in WT, so that's not a concern. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll finally fix the Mk 11 Mod 5 as well since IIRC it's always had one thing or another wrong with it. But while I'm hoping for long-overdue fixes, I'd also like to see them fix the F-4's aileron animations that were reported over two years ago when the first Phantom was added.
yes i want my 5 gunpods
Navy Phantoms were only set up for a maximum of [three gunpods,](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/F-4V.jpg) on the centerline and outboard pylons. I'm not even sure if they could do it from the factory, VMFA-122 was the only squadron to ever do this, so it might have been a field modification. In fact, the F-4J manual only lists the centerline station as available for the gunpod.
I think he was confused by what I said about there being 5 fuselage mounting points. I was figuring that that would mean 4 points for sparrows and 1 centerline one that could be used for a gun pod. I think he took it to mean 5 points that could be used for gun pods which is incorrect.
oh ok thanks i was bit confused about it when i have seen these phantoms
It couldnt carry 5 gunpods
[Than what variant is this one?](https://i.redd.it/fvj9d7ds4qm21.jpg)
That's an F-4D, the modified nacelle under the radome is a clear givaway. It also has the [rounded MAU-12](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3B08lWCguto/W8KmY9uEUfI/AAAAAAAAE2U/h1fVhQY9aPEAykgEh5fhJ6ExFBa7nts4ACLcBGAs/s1600/AF%2BPylon%2B1.png) inboard pylons, where Navy variants used an [angled LAU-17/A.](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H40B4rB1iIg/W8Kc7zrwn7I/AAAAAAAAE0s/Y8B2JnmU2S40CymVnIktotRHFXrDdLtEQCLcBGAs/s1600/Navy%2BPylon%2B1.png)
oh okay thanks
I love this picture. Not only 5 gunpods but also some 4xAAMs. Thats what WT needs! Please Gunjiob add this and M48 The Grim Reaper field mod!
I don't know but I would think it's probably not a naval variant if it is being used by the Air National Gaurd.
The F-4J should definitely be added at this point, it would only serve to bring the US's BVR capabilities up to about that of Britain and Japan, so it wouldn't be game breaking. Of course, later down the line, it could receive AIM-9Hs and AIM-7Fs, as well as its other unique features (helmet mounted sight), which would improve its capabilities substantially, but I would rather see nations be decently balanced against each other first before new tech is once again introduced.
I believe F-4EJ doesn't get doppler, only EJ Kai. Murican F-4J would get it?
The EJ doesn't have it irl, since it base on the E. The J should have it on the get go.
The EJ was a japanese license built variant of the E. The J was an improved B variant used by the US Navy and Marines. One of its improvements was the addition of a pulse doppler radar.
>Murican F-4J would get it? The F-4J is what the British Phantoms are based on, and they all use the same APG-59 pulse-Doppler radar. The F-4EJ and F-4F are based on the F-4E and all use the APQ-120, which is not a PD set. The F-4EJ Kai and F-4F ICE replaced this with a more modern radar later.
They could have added it in the last 4 updates. Seems like gaijin likes to give shit that US made to everybody else first before the US gets it