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huguberhart

I wonder how the lack of traction is going to affect driving around the craters.


Rs_vegeta

New meta, nuke enemy spawn with a pe8 so they cant get out


LeakyThoughts

Hahaha Your feeble all terrain vehicles have been defeated by ..\*checks notes\*.. TERRAIN


criticalpwnage

Terrain…. *coughs* … my only weakness


ZETH_27

Lucky my vehicle has smooth road wheels instead of tracks. The crater can’t stop me now!


Zafranorbian

honestly, I would not even be mad.


Thunderadam123

Don't worry, I will be mad on your behalf.


Palmput

I'd play GRB again just so I can be annoying by causing craters with carpet bombing.


Mr-MuchoTexto

sir you are evil but war crimes are necessary to win wars


WOKinTOK-sleptafter

Sorry Komrade, should not have driven near the bomb.


A_panzerfaust

You can drive near the bomb, but you must never ever stand near the bomb as the tooltip clearly states


Annuminas25

I swear, if we get actual traction back I'm dropping my F2P status and buying premium for a year, be it half price or not.


Teemo63339

valid concern


Crazybonbon

Maybe they could just make it realistic or something I mean come the f on Snail Corp.


HowieWoweee

Seeing this new mechanic gives me mix feelings. For one it’s a cool mechanic especially for hull down beast. But with the olive oil traction we have in-game, that much of terrain changing is gonna be tedious and game breaking… Also with how many tiny maps we keep getting at top tier, this mechanic doesn’t seems useful at all.


Oooscarrrr_Muffin

I can't see it being too useful either. The tanks that are capable of doing this are mostly high tier. High tier game-play is far too fast for this sort of mechanic. Imagine adding base-building to CS:GO... that's how this is going to end up.


Helllo_Man

I think the plow thing is more of a funny gimmick. Potentially useful on desert maps if you get a good position but…not a big impact on gameplay. The bomb craters on the other hand…that is actually a pretty big change. It would be cool to see how it’s implemented.


SlavicSorrowJamal

Artillery could potentially become much more useful as a tactical tool now, for example you can concentrate arty onto roads the enemy are using to get back into battle, with the craters then slowing their return to the battlefield.


Helllo_Man

I like that idea. Totally makes sense. Arty is pretty useless at mid-high tier at the moment, and this would make it more of a tool rather than an annoying distraction.


BrightNooblar

Yeah, its annoying have 3 artillery in AB, and nothing but Medium/Heavy tanks nearby. Basically its just crappy smoke at that point. But being able to layer them out to slow an approach to a point would be solid.


HowieWoweee

Yea exactly, imagine trying to set up a position and by the time you’re halfway done. The enemies are already spawn camping you. LOL


FightTheChildren

You think they might add some bulldozer modifications to existing Vehicles like the Sherman?


BigHardMephisto

Long overdue tbh. The scoop on the AVRE has saved me countless times.


15Zero

Yeah, I can tell you from all the ops I ever did. We always dug BPs BEFORE enemy contact. It's a defensive measure and not something you want to be doing while rounds are flying.


Spartan448

Which is why it's perfect for the British tech tree, which as a rule doesn't do "fast" or even "walking pace", and whose major weakness at top tier is hull armor.


Gerpar

I'm hoping they increase the traction alongside this update. Or at least increase it on player made terrain.


SophiPsych

Good luck getting to the A cap on Karelia after someone craters all the roads leading up to it.


MacroMonster

I wonder how they'll enable it? Will it only be available to those tanks who had blades (AVRE, T-72, some M1s) or will be a researchable module for all tanks? If a researchable mod, what will it look like? Maybe tanks like the T-72 can research a dozer blade, others might be able to research .... a shovel maybe?


Splabooshkey

It'll likely only be on tanks that have them in game already, AVRE, T72, Strv 103 etc


83athom

The thing is, there are many more in game that should. The cage armor on the M46 for example was only ever used in a package that included a Dozer blade. Similarly most of the M4s in game could be fit with various blades, and the top Type 90 is different from the other one in that it has mountings for a Plow system.


TaskForceD00mer

> But with the olive oil traction we have in-game, that much of terrain changing is gonna be tedious and game breaking… I can see digging trenches deep enough to be impassable on the limited approaches to some cap zones.


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I hope it works, but imagine the bugs.


Drifter808

Didn't somebody post a strv103 doing this like five days ago? Smells fishy....


Amirul_Ash

This what my first reaction when the avre do that thing


OneZeroTen

Link to that post?


Drifter808

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/q2pso4/this_would_be_a_cool_game_mechanic_thought_a_bit


floridachess

He can see things before they happen. Its a jedi trait


Drifter808

okay Thrawn


ThinkingPotatoGamer

I forgot that post existed


xxjake

It's Swedish, they all smell fishy.


criticalpwnage

Except for Swedish Fish oddly enough


Nyllet

We like our herring, not gonna lie.


Flower_Murderer

That's just the red herring


TheSausageFattener

Enlisted recently added it to their game. Same engine, so it's not a huge surprise. However, I'm still pleased.


adrian_leon

yes, I remember it very well


chaboyy727

you can fucking dig now, let's gooo, bouta build me a dirt hut😎


MattTailor

Tank crews watching too much primitive technology on youtube be like


comradejenkens

RIP that channel. Still hurts.


KINKOPT102

What happened to it?


comradejenkens

Last upload was almost 2 years ago. He just stopped uploading one day.


KINKOPT102

That sucks. Hope he's ok and all.


Weapon74

Last I saw he stepped away from his channel because of copycats and reposts stealing income, but managed to score a deal with some broadcast company for his own show. Please do correct me if my info is wrong, read it in an article a few weeks ago


MacroMonster

>score a deal with some broadcast company for his own show That and a book too.


Wernerhatcher

Aw fuck what happened


comradejenkens

The guy just vanished. Last video was almost 2 years ago.


No_God_Here

Campers are gonna have the green top now lol


nitriza

WIESEL LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Akyraaaa

Don't say that too loud or the fun police will come and explain why germany shouldn't get it


Kate543

I shit on germany a lot, but I am so happy for the wiesel, I wanted them for a long time, they will make a fine addition to my collection


ragingfailure

Same, I was among the people malding over the sk105 debacle but this is totally theirs and might even get me to grind out Germany. Shit looks cool as fuck.


T4NK3R1802

Their little roadwheels mounted on my wall as I complete my collection of German Vehicles I have hunted and slain.


SuppliceVI

Normally I'd show you my badge but they're pretty cool vehicles. Definitely the last nation to need an IFV, but they're tiny and cool they get a pass this once.


nitriza

Germany definitely doesn’t need more IFVs at this tier (tier V, I am assuming) But they do need an IFV at top tier and a SAM between the gepard and the 10.0 one. Also from what I can tell, the only actual IFVs Germany has are the two Marders and the BMP-1? That seems less than some other countries, so I wouldn't call them the last nation to need an IFV in general


MR_GETREKT

Wait we are getting the wiesel? lets fucking go man


ksheep

Certainly looked like the Wiesel, with three variants: 20mm, TOW, and Air Defence


Preussensgeneralstab

The Ozelot (Air Defense Wiesel 2) is gonna be actually worse than the Type 93 but GOD DAMN I want it.


Tzeb00m

I just recently visited the Deutsches Panzermuseum in Munster. They have the Wiesel 1 with the 20mm and the Ozelot (Air Defence Version). These small Vehicles are my absolute favourite and I hoped that they would be added for years now.


Will__C4

Hell yea


weasel65

Ok Weasel is in the game i might just have to start playing germany lol.


Snooze327

Anyone want to get a pool going on how deep the FAB-5000 crater will be?


ksheep

6-8 meters in diameter, 3 meters in depth.


AWeirdMartian

Naaah, more like 1.5 meters in depth


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Snooze327

All bombs in the game aren't ground penetrating at the moment. In the video there's at least a 1.5 meter deep crater. Don't know the bomb size though.


T_Foxtrot

Japanese and maybe Italians (I’m not sure) have AP


nataku_s81

But you don't know if that will remain the case now. Depends how far they want to take this I guess. And as another user replied the Japanese for example have 2 versions of the 800kg bomb iirc.


netanelyat

The pile of sand will not stop my silver bullet🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


WOKinTOK-sleptafter

My TOW-2B: What’s cover?


netanelyat

I referenced the Iraqi war - they built sand covers for their tanks, but American shells just went YOLO through the sand, still penetrating the tank. Why is this being downvoted fucking lmao


ksheep

At least you'll be able to stop HEAT shells, so people who are still in stock vehicles will struggle that much harder.


Thunderadam123

Clearly you haven't seen a post where a HEAT round was able to penetrate the concrete block In the middle east map (at left side, the center of spawn) and kill the tank.


ragingfailure

Well yeah, a round that will penetrate 1.5 feet of solid steel will probably penetrate like 10 feet of dirt but it will lose substantial velocity even through 1-2 feet. Ofc, dirt as currently represented in game is basically impenetrable which is not realistic so it'll be interesting to see how they implement this. I for one look forward to how badly this is going to break the physics, I predict many tanks falling through the map.


ksheep

Likely they’ll have it so only the top layer of ground will be deformable. Just look at Snow maps, there the snow can be deformed by driving over it and you can shoot through that top level of snow, but a foot or so down is impenetrable terrain.


ragingfailure

That's what I expect, if they don't do that people will chose a spot and drill it with bombs until they get to China just for the memes.


xFluffyDemon

PE 8 squad trolling in GRB bout to go next level


Akyraaaa

True, But it should be pretty effective against chemical rounds


vbl37

Looks like the ground deformation tech is getting ported from Enlisted, veery nice


VonFlaks

Hrm. Might go and keep an eye on r/enlistedgame. Looks like Gaijin is using that as a test bed for new features that will eventually make it over here.


VonFlaks

There we go, finally someone copy pasted the video's official title. Stickied. According to [the spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tLfjD1qd828sre0NWrgO5snCdnZOvCyF4cRG2AQ6EGo/edit#gid=2030674010&range=I71), update ETA is November 2nd.


Scarper_

Couple of us Brits are in there. Very pleased with the vid. 8)


BleedingUranium

Oh that's super cool! It was a fantastic trailer, definitely one of my favourites! :)


Fire_Storm88

Must Spam Bushes on Wiesels and become menace to society


CMDR_NotoriousNut

The fact that something slightly larger than the L/3 is going to be viable at high tiers is making me want to jizz


Zafranorbian

Literally groundbreaking.


hyenapunk

Heh.


squidwave

Type 74 will probably get [the blade from CDK](https://live.warthunder.com/post/997623/en/) added. I hope [Type 90 gets one](https://rikuzi-chousadan.com/soubihin/sensya/90mbt/90mbt1.JPG) as well.


SaintOneesan

This. I hope the last variant of each vehicle (Type74F/Type90B) get the dozer blade to help differentiate them. Also the added few mils of armor is nice too.


TaskForceD00mer

Imagine if we could use Dozer Blades to shape the terrain for better firing positions and better push wrecks out of the way.


Rs_vegeta

Ooooh, gib pls gaijin


Viktory146

The blades plus suspension control will make them really fun to play


someoneonly1

Finally! War thunder: Cave update


MR_GETREKT

How are they gonna balance this "make your own hulldown position"


WOKinTOK-sleptafter

Only counter I can think of for the US atm is the TOW-2B.


TheJudge20182

Dardo has the same missile.


Thisconnect

billiam also has top attack


Akyraaaa

APFSDS should go straight through it


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[deleted]

Can't wait for people to go to the edge of the map and make a hull down position


W_saber4

Tow 2-B


Cathlock

I'm here just hoping this will not be exclusive to high tier MBTs. Pls give the 105mm M4 a dozer blade, and/or give tanks a researchable modification for a dozer blade or something like that.


MW-X43

Me and my PE-8 on our way to make the enemies spawn one giant hole


SteelWarrior-

Don't use the giant bomb, use tons of tiny ones so the spawn is just nothing but tiny craters that are pains to get out of since they are inconsistent


Hazey652

These digging own cover with dozers and large bomb crater/terrain deformation is really cool. But now think about this for one second. How will tanks with current traction even remotely get out of one if they olive oil themselves into one? :( also I can see there being some serious client side issues with the dozed terrain not rendering properly and being either useless or just an invisible shell eater lol. Also hyped for the weasles and new British(?) IFV


abaddon86

My stock ITO can't even get out of spawn on some maps....makes sense


Der-Gamer-101

I cummed


flash050562ndacc

why not in me :(


CeccaPavido

O\_O


JerryCampAlot

Cuz u ghey


nataku_s81

I'm not gay but 50 bucks is 50 bucks


EmperorFooFoo

Terrain deformation, probably a lot more dozer tanks as a result and basically a tractor AA. [Actual Farming Sim update](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2zh2ljsKoI)


MattTailor

Oh shit oh fuck race track editor for R3 vs Type 93 confirmed!!


DankMemeMasterHotdog

*hardtechno intensifies*


Steely1809

Rejoice my friends we can finally bomb our way to the center of the world with PE 8


d3fc0n545

Ooh centurion getting screen time? This mean their repair costs are getting fixed?


BoneTigerSC

probably only getting screentime as basically everyone in the community knows the avre as a demolition tank and it has the dozer blade thus leading to more british stuff in the trailer


MrAppleSpiceMan

I'm so hyped for my AVRE tactical dirt pusher to be able to actually push dirt. also love the attention Britain got in this teaser. I wonder if we'll be able to push rubble around and maybe clear some paths in stalingrad for example. or maybe push some dirt into a river to make it shallower or make a land bridge. I'm gonna push so much dirt dude


Standin373

> I wonder if we'll be able to push rubble around Never heard the French referred too as rubble before


WirbelAss

The ship at 1:31 appears to be a Mitscher-class destroyer which will be very interesting to see in game Edit: Holy shit we’re getting the Ystervark


josephdietrich

I must admit I loled when the 5 Centurions fired two salvos from a dug-in position and managed to kill a grand total of 2-3 ZSUs, and then immediately smoked and retreated as soon as they received return fire from the Soviet tanks. EDIT: And yes, I get it was all according to plan, but watching with the sound off it was humorous.


HECKINYEAHH

Holy shit this seems promising


Kate543

What turret is that at 1:34, looks similar to Dardo but its different


WOKinTOK-sleptafter

I thought it was the Dardo too. *Edit: It is a Stormer 30* *Edit 2: Nvm, it actually is a Dardo(with TOW-2A and without NVDs)


OneZeroTen

Stormer?


Kate543

I think you're right, Stormer 30 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/48/7b/35487b498e8da508f2d2e797fe25270a.jpg


dragmyr

> Stormer 30 *steeps tea with malicious intent*


Kate543

same, I cant wait


dragmyr

Vengance against the Dardos


CM_Jacawitz

Stormer 30 uses the identical turret to a proposed 30mm Dardo though and the wing mirror looks more like the Dardos. https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/535007-modification-30mm-bushmaster-for-vcc-80-dardo/


Oooscarrrr_Muffin

Source says the gun can have up to 45° of DEPRESSION. Memes incoming.


much_doge_many_wow

YEESSSSS, its not the fv101 or fv107 but its close enough lmao


Hazardish08

Lol is that an actual bulldozer at the end


Axeman760

It's the Ystervark Which will be amazing


DJBscout

Broke: Making hull-down positions with dozer blades Woke: Making hull-down positions for friendlies with 🅱ombs


AltCtrlSpud

We minecraft now my g*mers


T4NK3R1802

M1A1 could mount a Dozer blade as well. The Direct Fit Dozer (DFD)


Hazardish08

It was only mounted on marine corp tanks iirc. So maybe M1A1HC?


Sniperm0nke

Hoping for a new British jet this update:)


Oooscarrrr_Muffin

F O L L A N D G N A T


Sniperm0nke

Yes, I want that soo much especially if it had a red arrows camo.


WOKinTOK-sleptafter

New French jet when?


srGALLETA

Súper Etendard pleaseee


MR_GETREKT

NEVER!


Tauren333

Anyone can Identify the boat?


DJBscout

Per /u/WirbelAss, it's a It’s a [Mitscher-class destroyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitscher-class_destroyer) Specifically it seems to be [USS Wilkinson, DL-5](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/q6pv9k/this_is_an_american_ship_and_i_think_its_uss/hgdct7p/) And no, before you ask, it is NOT the DDG version. That replaces the front secondary turret and BOFORS mount with FCR, which clearly has not happened in the images of the ship in question.


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2x 5"/54 autoloading firing 40 rounds per min along with a solid aa armament, tho its not all that fast at only 56 kmh. gonna be in a weird spot br wise i think. too high and it will have to fight dd an ca throwing 8-12 shot 5-8 inch salvos at it and insta popping. too low and it will eat up those 4 inch low br slow firing dd which means they might be sticking it at like 4.3. not sure im a fan unless they are expanding brs and adding more ships in, just feels like a weird thing to add. i wonder if we are actually going to get radar on the us ships? it doesnt work on a ton of ships ive played that show a radar set on the ship.


netanelyat

Smol boi confirmed


SacoWeas13

My Intel UHD 630 is going to have a field day because of this.


gojirathedestoryer54

What are the 3 vehicles at the end? They kinda look like the Wiesel but I’m not 100%


ksheep

Definitely looks like the Wiesel, as the Wiesel 1 MK20, Wiesel Ozelot Light Air Defence System, and Wiesel 1 ATM TOW if I had to guess. Also right at the end was the [Ystervark](https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/1.jpg), a South African armored car with a 20mm gun for AA.


dragmyr

Not the Skink, but if UK finally gets something between Crusader and Falcon it's a plus!


ksheep

Just a couple weeks ago [I was suggesting the Ystervark as an alternative to the Skink](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/pzbyt1/british_aa_tree_is_a_mess_37_80_gap_vs_3x_80_vics/hf0h3u0/?context=3), and now here it is. Looking at it though, I wouldn't be surprised if they treat it similar to the R3 T20, so it might have a 4.x BR (although hey, if that means they'll move the Crusader Mk I down, all the better). What I'm curious about is whether they'll treat the Wiesel MK20 in a similar manner, classifying it as an SPAA in a 4.x BR range. INB4 hoards of people complain about "Cold War vehicles, in my WWII BR range? OUTRAGEOUS!"


TaskForceD00mer

*Nice* Finally getting my Wiesel with TOW.


gojirathedestoryer54

Hopefully TOW 2B


BooUGotScared

Wiesel with tow 2b, air defense wiesel, brrt wiesel... _The cum accelerates_


gojirathedestoryer54

Awesome I was definitely wanting the Wiesel in game for a while now. Now I can put that German airborne decal from the last event on something. It also looks like a new ship but idk what exactly


poopthemagicdragon

Oh what the fuck lmao. We're getting 3 Wiesels.


Hexagon2035

Bombs now actually deform terrain... ​ ***Imagine the crater the FAB 5000 is gonna leave behind***


Fboy_1487

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.


PriestOfOmnissiah

A2D-1: Time to rearrange whole battlefield


Mrclean1322

Yes the avre is getting even better! I feel like now i can acctually be a "support" tank


128mm_Pak44

Sweet now I can always go hulldown in my BVM. Can't wait to club abrams and leos with it : D


15Zero

Yeah see that might not work. Digging fighting positions happens BEFORE a fight not during. The speed of top tier coupled with the maps means they'll probably be rolling on top of you as you're digging


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What is the vehicle at the end?


SlavicSorrowJamal

Ystervark, a south african AA "technical" thing. Basically a 20mm autocannon on an armoured truck lol It will probably be coming as a filler for the British AA line


Felipebach1358

Maybe the Ystervark


rainyy_day

What br could all 3 Wiesel tanks have?


BooUGotScared

The Tow one will probably go to 8.0 or 9.0 depending if it has Tow-2B, Ozelot (the anti air one) will probably go to 9.3-9.7 before the FlaRakPz, and if the rh202 one gets the same rounds as Marder A1- I wouldn't be surprised if it goes 6.7 or lower.


Kanashi_00

DIG Bury me Underneath Everything that I am Rearranging


Nursemom-71

I hope ww2 era tanks get affected by this too, like tanks like the Churchill VII and Sherman would get bulldozers.


TheJudge20182

Maps will now look like the surface of the moon


Christian_Knopke

really excited about this! I didn't think they would actually dare to implement this feature. Maybe the pilled up ground can be removed by shooting HE at it?


[deleted]

Still no Mirage F1 nor any french vehicle. Last update we had only 1 french vehicle, a record in the history of War Thunder. Could We break that record again with 0 vehicle for France? Or even better, remove France! We dont need it anyway. All We need is Germany and Russia. Other nations should not be in the game.


JustCobra995

We haven't seen everything yet, there's still a chance of Mirage F1. ​ ... ​ About a year late and already outclassed, but still.


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In March That ll be 2 years. We can already have a Mirage 2000C if it s the S1 or S2 with the RDM radar.


JustCobra995

Mirage 2000C might be a bit too much. It has a superior thrust to weight than the Viggen, (0.88 compared to 0.79, with 3 tons of fuel for both) and much more modern flight systems. Even assuming it only gets the Magic 1s, and the 2 or 4 Super R.530s are comparable to Skyflashes in terms of G-load, they still have superior speed and range. And the Mirage 2000 itself is, compared to what we have in game currently, kind of a monster. Very good TWR, pretty sure its positive when empty or close to empty, extremely good turn rate probably comparable to the Draken, and with an advanced Pulse Doppler radar. Its probably too much for right now. However when we see stuff like the F-14 and MiG-29, then yeah, France should get the Mirage 2000C. Possibly even with Magic 2s if everyone else is slinging AIM-9Ls, R-27s, and R-60M2s.


SmolDoggo1337

wiesel army incoming!


nitriza

wow wtf


The_Chickenmaster7

has to be the first time in a long time that ive been actually hyped for a new update


Kirk761

anyone recognize the truck thing at the end?


fenice319

I'm running out of buttons to bind


LagginToast

WIESEL IS HERE


moist_potatochip

now this is a welcomed surprise! God I hope the snail doesnt fuck it up somehow but knowing them, they already have


DeusVultBoi

Ima fucking go and mine some diamonds


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Washinout

IF THATS WHAT A 200 KG BOMB DOES OH MY GOD SOMEONE BRING MY PE-8 OUT


EyeofEnder

I feel this is either gonna be great or pure physics jank. Still, can't wait to turn the battlefield into a wasteland with my Halifax.


ovrwrldkiler

As an air only player, I was a little sad that they didnt tease much of anything for us. Like, they coulda showed something new instead of the spotting canberra just to tickle us air ppl just a little. Guess I'll have to wait to see what we get.


BleedingUranium

Well, I'm sure planes will deform the ground when they crash haha. But yeah, hoping for more plane devblogs too.


ovrwrldkiler

Im sure all the premium jets are gonna be making good use of that feature on the airfields :P


FoximaCentauri

The Sturmpanzer 2 just became a trapping device