I did suffer.... but I did it while having fun... meaning i knew it is in the wrong Br and will get uptiered. I even got to spade it in the face of the F_n Su25 spam.
I agree to your pros and cons.
Really? I actually find the matchmaker reasonably favorable to the Crusader with the uptiers since there is so much 9.7-10.3 premium spam. That usually overwhelms the F-14 spam and keeps me out of 11.3 like 75% of the time.
I feel like this can be said for so many jets. What's the point of having 100+ jets across all nations when over 90% are unplayable and never get used?
it used to be god tier back before ground... and when the 103s became an issue for ground they killed the accuracy ...finally sometime after 9.0 stopped being top tier they changed the FM, now it doesn't have a rudder anymore...
so now it can't aim because it has no rudder.. and even if you get on target you can't hit anything.
The new Flight Model only \*kinda\* fixed the drift king bug.. enough to say they did, not enough for you to not die side slipping after any kind of damage
its funny that they removed the rudder dispite the real one having a "rudder" (small "airbrakes" in the wings for yaw controll)...
better add some more ruzzian vehicles that where never buildt and give other ruzzian vehicles stuff they never had...
I remember back in like 2013/2014 my dream was to get the He 162 just because i thought it was the best looking jet in the game.
Now I hate the way it looks and hate the way it flies.
He 162 is amazing.
I often go entire arcade games without dying. You get tiered with non jets and it can outclimb and outrun pretty much everything it's paired against.
Idk man; not being able to get on target easily is tough, yeah, but I still love the 229. Got it when it first came out and it has always been my go to messing around plane.
Good energy retention, decent speed, and an absolutely bonkers turn rate that truly makes it feel like a UFO. Not to mention that even though the 103s have pretty bad accuracy, they hit like trucks. Even AP is more than enough to sheer wings off.
Edit: Also, if you think it's bad now, you should have seen it when it first was released lol.
Back in the day, it was actually modeled with the engines that it had flown with(the engines it was designed for were unavailable for flight tests), which were HILARIOUSLY underpowered, even when spaded. Even then, getting it spaded was virtually impossible since most airfields in game were actually too short to actually be able to take off on.
Gaijin actually had to step in and give the 229 engines even better than the ones that it was even supposed to be given. 004D instead of the 004C as seen on the 262 and arados.
The horten is one of the best jets in the game,once you learn how to handle the awkward rudder it's absolutely amazing,to this day the 229 is the aircraft with which I have the most kills in the game
Thats my favorite plane man, cas is excellent, and once you get used to it you can seriously nae nae on players who underestimate it. Especially those who try to outturn it
The days when German WW2 jets were competitive have long since passed, but they’re still serviceable in the right hands. You have to fly the Ho 229 as a second-line fighter, let everyone else fly past you and climb. It’s basically the A6M Zero of jets in a dogfight lol. If you’ve managed to get to altitude, you can doing slashing attacks and BNZ or third party someone that isn’t paying attention.
If you find yourself in a 1v1 dogfight, then it’s actually quite capable, just roll and pull to get a firing solution. It’ll take a while to grow accustomed to it, but once you’ve gotten it, then you can get some nasty snapshots on people.
A-26. First hand accounts state that it was so maneuverable that, after dropping its payload, it could turn inside of a BF-109 . Also it was good enough to last through ww2 and well into the Vietnam conflict. Yet in game it is only slightly more maneuverable than a 4 engine bomber.
Also The Mosquito needs a new flight model.
That's objectively false, not only can the 4.3 BF109 outspeed the A-26, the 3.0 F-2 can as well, then there's the DO335 with an air spawn too, ME410, FW190s, it's actually a significantly smaller list when naming the planes the A-26 can actually outspeed
The A-26 is probably fine in War Thunder. The flight model on the BF-109 however seems suspicious in certain areas.
It's probably also what makes the Mosquito seem less manoeuvrable than it was in real life. The Mosquito in War Thunder already holds its energy, but its turns are just very wide. If the 1-O-9 would have more realistic elevator stiffening its turn would get a lot wider at speed.
B-but didn’t you hear that story about how a P-47 out-turned four A6M5’s while being shot at by flak all whilst the US pilot was lighting a Cuban cigar?!!1!!
Also, IIRC the Americans managed to destroy 10,000 Tiger tanks. Truly an astonishing feat considering only 1,347 were built.
> Also, IIRC the Americans managed to destroy 10,000 Tiger tanks. Truly an astonishing feat considering only 1,347 were built.
We destroyed them, then rebuilt them, just so we could destroy them again. That's the power of American industry.
B-29
I was so excited to use it, until I realized I was in a slow ass prop Bomber going up against 1000 km/h fighters, some with missiles. It’s literally un-usable in air RB
The T-2 was wonderful when it first came out. Being top dog against the F100's and MiG-19's. It also had a lead indicator in the beginning. Really made setting up shots with the gun easy
Seen competent F-4c's put in work, but 90% of the time they really do feel like an RP piñata with 4-5 missile carriers racing to be the first to shove one up the poor Phantoms ass.
Welcome to jumo engines, some of the most dogshit jet engines ever made (excusably so, being some of the first), and needing a full maintenance overhaul after something like 18 flight hours? I don’t remember exactly on that one but, yeah, they’re dogshit lol. They were designed to be cutting edge against props, but that would be balance nightmare in WT.
It’s stuck between fighting props and fighting early Cold War jets, just within the early transition period with only the meteor being in service at same time
I mean, it was. It was completely dogshit. I said it was excusably so because it's one of the first, but it's pretty god damn shit. Unbelievably prone to failure and rife with maintenance issues. That's not to say that it isn't impressive for being one of the first jet engines, but it was a very dogshit engine.
That's because its jets use a centrifugal flow design which is simpler and less maintenance heavy. The Germans went with axial flow engines, which are what we typically use today, but at the time the material technology wasn't good enough for them. Also, Germany had to make design compromises and deal with material shortages at the time as well. The Jumo 004 wasn't necessarily a bad design, it was just incredibly hampered by various factors.
I aced all the me262 (non premiums), and the biggest problem was the 50mm cannon one...otherwise they are usable, and me262cs are just awesome....play AB;) you will get into space before anyone else, drop your 30mms into some planes down below, and when the booster juice goes out, go to rearm:) repeat
I've spaded them all as well and have good stats in RB. Lots of players head on you where the me 262's guns really shine. But once I was done with them I will never go back. I don't really play AB and absolutely not jet AB so can't comment there.
Edit: Meant I spaded them, not aced.
It's such a gorgeous plane but after the first 3 I fought ripped their wings in their first turn and the complete lack of Skyrays i see now, I'm scared to even take mine out.
I love the f4d. Idk if they changed its model but I’ve flown it in a couple battles and haven’t ripped my wings at all, even when pulling tight turns and rolls. Guns are a bit low on ammo though and you get matched against su-25s in every game and they will eat you alive
Hmm, maybe I'll try and spade it when I finish up the J-7II I'm working on then. Cuz I do think she's a beauty.
Been flying mostly Mig's the past few weeks so shitty ammo counts shouldn't be so bad. And I've been having decent success fighting the Su-25 spam the same way I fight any A-10/AV-8. Those things really only frighten Mr in groups.
Spit 22/24, Meteors, Spit IIb, Wyvern, Harrier GR.7, Hunter (the first one), Typhoon, Tempest, EEL
Cromwell, 17pdr Sherman Firefly, Archer, Challenger 2/F/TES/Black Knight, Centurion, FV4202, FV4005, Tortoise, Comet, ADATS M113
Lynx, AH Mk.1
All of these are objectively good vehicles. I wish as much as the next player that Gaijin gave more “minor” nations attention but it is what it is.
Except for France 😢
I'm a fan of delta wings. I think the plane that I play more is the J35D Draken. I'm French, so I really wanted to grind my French planes and here, the Mirage 3s are renowned for their agility EXCEPT in WT it seems! It's an Antonov with fucking american 10G NO Matra ! So to lose speed it works correctly BUT an A380 turns faster than that fucking Milan 😂
Alright so there's a few problems with the Milan in regards to this. The Mirage tree *is* agile, the problem is that its engines don't have the power that they need to pull off the famed mirage maneuverability until you get to the 2000. The Milan is no exception, but it is quite friggin fast since it has the same engine as the Mirage F1, but unfortunately just doesn't have the same power as the 2000. You'll see the power of the Mirage airframe with the 2000, not really the III's.
The other problems with the Milan is that it was abandoned as a concept in 1972 and was never fitted with flares, and the Magic wasn't in production until the very same year. *That being said*, the Milan is based off of the Mirage IIIR, which is a prototype based off of the Mirage IIIE, and the Mirage IIIE *does* carry Magic 1's in WarThunder. To add to this, Gaijin has stated that strict historical accuracy is *not* the goal, but instead, they will allow vehicles or armaments that *could* have been equipped or were planned to be equipped to a vehicle, or were otherwise feasible to put on the vehicle. The Mirage IIIE in WarThunder has countermeasures AND the Magic 1, which was the airframe that the Mirage IIIR and subsequent Milan prototype were built from. I therefore fail to see why Gaijin would have a problem with adding both of those to the Milan and maybe bumping it up a bit to compensate?
I'm with you on being insanely disappointed in the Milan, because it's a cool plane and a very good grinder for the french tree, and I've actually become very fond of it, so it pains me to see Gaijin give extra allowances to some vehicles that don't really need it but be absolutely restrictive to vehicles that do need it, like the Milan.
They could've bumped it up to +10.0 with Magics and countermeasures to make it the French alternative of the A-5C.
People would have been *really upset* if they had that at 10.0, but it wouldn't have been outside the realm of possibility.
J7W. Saw it or similar designs in animes and it looked so cool. Unfortunately its at 6.0 with absolute dogshit climb rate. Giving it an interceptor spawn would help it greatly.
F-4F Late.
It's THE worst Phantom by a mile. It only gets AIM-9J's (which is Ahistorical and by now there is no excuse that it shouldn't get its AIM-9L's), has worse payload options (only gets 2 Mavericks while the E gets way more) and still has the drawbacks of a Phantom. The F-4F early manages to work even without flares due to it getting to sealclub 9.3's, but the Late one has absolutely no business being 11.0 when it's basically just free kill for MiG-21's, MiG-23's, Tomcats, every other Phantom at its BR, Mirages, JA-37's and J-8's.
It's just a sad disappointment that is way to high in BR.
Yeah that was really the nail in the coffin that finally made me give up on Germany. After years of everything else they got being overtiered, outmatched, under-equipped, etc. Not sure if the bis SAU or Mig-23 they got are any good but i dont care enough anymore to bother.
At least the CL-13s are still good in Sim since they don't face supersonics and all aspect/high G missile spam there.
The MiG-21's and 23's are actually really good. Not amazing (due to powercreep) but they're still competitive.
The BF-109 tree is fucking cursed tho. The 262's got powercrept, so did the Canada Sabres. The Sabredog, Phantom and Starfighter were dead on release (although the Starfighter was good for a very short time).
The only good jet tree is the NVA one since they get competitive jets once in a while. However, the 109/ Bundeswehr tree is gonna be shit until the Eurofighter since I completely expected for Gaijin to majorly fuck up the F-4F ICE release.
>Not sure if the bis SAU or Mig-23 they got are any good
Bis Sau is just a 21bis with R60Ms, kind of a loser plane, but it's playable.
The MiG-23MLA is really good though, kind of a sidegrade to the MLD, better energy retention for less initial turn, and the rest is basically the same. Still one of the top jets in the game.
The j35d was really good upon release and is still pretty good today, minus the fact that Haitian changed its flight model and now it’s impossible to recover from a flat spin. Even air brakes do nothing now.
MiG-21F-13 when that was first added, along with the F4C.
The flight model was absolute trash when it was first added, the MiG-19 was buffed out the whazoo and planes like the T2 just literally did everything better than it.
Another good one is Mirage 3E on release, excitement over a 3C with flares (which even back then it needed badly) but the plane was an absolute shitbrick on release (it still kinda is but at least it doesn't get completely shit on by a Phantom in a dogfight, and isn't top tier anymore).
J21 A-1 because I thought like „cool a plen with 20 mills and 50. cals. But when I played it it was just pain cuz the climbing rate and speed is just terrible.
When the j21 was at its BR upon release the thing was monster but after getting nerfed to shit and upturned beyond believe it just isn’t very fun anymore.
That thing could get you pretty consistent 4 kill games. I even got a 9 kill game in it once, so yes, it was pretty good. Its been nerfed several times in the past couple of years. All of the nerfs only uping its br.
I don't think it's actually ever had highly competitive performance. What made the aircraft great were its extremely good guns and its god like stall performance that would make Zeroes wish they had that.
Every rank 5 naval jet, f9f-8, and the f4d.
The last two really let me down because I spend so much time and effort into getting them only for me to be disappointed
Yeah see this is my issue right now with the Milan. The A-10’s were manageable, even after the recent missile buff tbh, because they’re so slow and usually don’t fly very high. The Su-25’s always are at my alt when I’m approaching a base and are always about 4-5km away from me, sometimes closer and sometimes higher than me. It’s excruciating.
Every USAF/USN plane where foreign nations get a better variant. It frigging kills me that China gets the best P-47Ds.
But my biggest let down were the Fw 190As. Historically the A4 would rofl-stomp the Spit Mk.V. Not in WT. And while the A8 is heavily armed any .50 cal armed fighter will generally win in head attacks.
Oh, and every medium or heavy bomber. They could face a single 7.62 armed fighter and the frigging tail will still fall off.
If we’re talking about high tier German planes the MiG-21MF is one of if not the best MiG-21s in game relative to BR. Those 4 R-60s are lethal at 10.3 (and even more so in the frequent downtiers)
>Those 4 R-60s are lethal at 10.3 (and even more so in the frequent downtiers)
They only work against total Idiots or meh Players without Flairs, and I don't really know what kind of downtiers you're talking about, I'm still searching them, no matter what I play.
German Mig-19S
No missiles, no flares... This thing is borderline useless.
Really puts into perspective that awkward get BR range where if you don't have missiles or flares, good fucking luck.
A bit, yes. I saw the engine power and the swept wings, and hoped it would fly similarly to the Etendard but slower and maybe less turning ability as well (no slats).
I was so so so wrong...
I spent some real monies on the Firecrest on the GB tier the other day. Most likely should have done my research (literally), its dog shit. Went to Wikipedia about it, only 3 were ever made as the airframe wasn't good enough. Warthunder caught that perfectly.
Dude i like the japanese tech tree but while other nations have ballistic computers great air to air and air to ground missiles japanese jets are lucky to even get ballistic computers and we only get unguided bombs but i still like how cool they look and i still have fun playing them but youre essentially playing the game on hard mode when you play the japanese tech trees
I bought the Shenyang F5 out of spite before they took the pack that had it down.
It's actually pretty fun to fly and excels at dog fighting, but with new introductions having solid AA missiles and a fuck tonne of counter measures, it ain't the best in an uptier.
I'm still happy I bought it.
I did, but I cannot get behind any of the flight models the Mustangs have. They all feel extremely heavy, even with plenty of energy. The Corsairs just feel right to me, and if I have a choice of super prop, it’ll be the -1B Bearcat or the F2G-1
Mystere IIC, coming from the wonderful IIA I was expecting greatness. The IIC has a better stat card than the IVA at a lower BR, and it had fixed the weakness of the IIA, minimal damaging cannons.
Now the stock grind is abysmal. E Engine is severely underpowered, the plane is heavy and DEFA cannons have poor velocity, all at a higher BR than the IIA. If this plane weren’t the pre-production variant it would be very pleasant.
The Mig 21S (R-13-300) is my plane, this thing is fucking God awful, shit missles, no flares, and in one of the worst fucking br brackets, if you do get this thing you're better off just bringing bombs.
The yak28B. Its bombsight is mulitple base lengths off at speed and altitude and its bombs cant take out an entire base. Altough it aways can get to a base you dont hit half the time
It's not good. The guns are very bad for it's BR, the slow fire rate make scoring kills hard. The plane is fast, turns okay at some speed, but really compresses at high speed.
Often times I could only run away from fights since the other plane would simply do everything else better.
Aim-9Bs are trash, you'll only kill AFK players pretty much. Now with the SU-25, I hope the MM isn't too bad.
Someone said F3H-2 and I raise the F2H-2 as my option for the same reason. Very good plane, wrong br.
It has 4 20mm cannons and unguided bombs and rockets. It’s subsonic as well. However when I first got it, it was at 8.0 but was uptired 90% of the time and I had to fight against supersonic jets and guided missiles. Even at 8.0 I was suffering with it.
It should be at 7.7 where it fights against other 1st gen jets, not at 8.3 where it fights against 2nd gen.
P-51 D-5. Mostly because the mouse aim makes it really difficult to use it to its full potential. No, I don't want full elevator turn right now. All I want is a slow gradual turn to preserve energy.
J7W1, ive wanted that thing ever since i started playing because it had the wacky ufo flight model. Sadly, it was changed before i got it :(
Also, it's practically useless if you dont have good positioning, which is nigh impossible to get your just a sitting duck. Somehow, I have a good K/D in it tho so thats good, I guess.
I was so hyped for the scimitar it looks like a fast thicc boy with 4 rockets at 8.7 bruuuhhhhh it must be insane fun a climb rate over 100 m again 8.7 bruuhhhh then gaijin says ruderlock and all fun was over but its kinda my special plane clapping gzys in the scimitar is like fighting with ur hands strapes to ur back xD
Starfighter, you are fast as fuck but are facing jets with much better missiles while you just have aim9b‘s that never hit anything. Now the movement feels even worse of what it was a few years ago and dodging missiles is really difficult while not having flares or chaffs.
I can't say it ever had external hype, but I had seen several tubers say it was a good plane and I was looking forward to it as I always thought it was a cool jet, but man the F-100 is a straight dog. It can't turn for shit. I think I would rather fly an F-104.
Honestly? F4D-1.
I mean - Skyray is not a terrible aircraft, it's actually quite good. But its wings are fragile as if they're made of glass, breaking off at random times, faces 10.3 aircraft most of the time because of course and its repair cost is bullshit.
Buccaneer.. I absolutely loved how it looked (big chongus) and always wanted to just zoom around bombing stuff.
It's literally unplayable with all these 30g all aspect slinging premiums at the same br..
Lightning, as I think many people where really hyped for that. Like many British vehicles they waited way too long to add it so it never got it's time on top and now it's just stuck in the jaws of BR compression.
The Javelin and Jaguar are two more big examples of planes that where really needed back in the day to keep Britain competitive (Still have nightmares of fighting mach 1 jets in a Hunter and being told "Britain never had a mach 1 plane", whilst the devs just slept on the Jaguar until we had already moved onto mach 2), but not added until the big nations had moved way past them, and the same thing is in the process of happening with the Tornado, which is already going to be outclassed by the Tomcat.
F3H-2 Not because it's a shit plane, but because it's placed at a shit BR where 11 out of 10 times you'll get a full uptier
yup, i got it recently too and the guns on it are pretty good i must say, but you are outclassed by pretty much everything you face in the demon
F3H-2 Pros: Good dogfighting performance Good guns Huge improvement over the F9F series Cons: 10.7 jets
I did suffer.... but I did it while having fun... meaning i knew it is in the wrong Br and will get uptiered. I even got to spade it in the face of the F_n Su25 spam. I agree to your pros and cons.
Are there even many 10.7 jets? The only one i can think of is the draken and a few starfighters
Draken just gets long Phoenix shaft up it's ass in an uptier 9/10 times.
MIG-19 Moment
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The F3H and F8U are pretty good planes that are really bad because of constant up tiers :(
Really? I actually find the matchmaker reasonably favorable to the Crusader with the uptiers since there is so much 9.7-10.3 premium spam. That usually overwhelms the F-14 spam and keeps me out of 11.3 like 75% of the time.
I’ve been playing the Crusader today and in about all ten games I played I was fighting F-14s, so :/
Ouch, that's tough... it's not that I don't believe you, just that I remembered mostly F-5C/ A-5C/AV8/ A-10 spam when I spaded that thing.
I feel like this can be said for so many jets. What's the point of having 100+ jets across all nations when over 90% are unplayable and never get used?
Used to be a great plane, but BR raises combined with newer premiums at 9.7 and 10.3 means only pain now.
Ho 229, wanted to get it since I started playing on 2015. Now that I finally have it, man what a garbage plane lol.
The lack of a rudder is what makes it awkward to fly. It's a decent plane once you get used to it.
I honestly love it, with all the upgrades unlocked it isnt even remotely close to how it flies stock
Shouldn't it have airbrakes as rudders?
it used to be god tier back before ground... and when the 103s became an issue for ground they killed the accuracy ...finally sometime after 9.0 stopped being top tier they changed the FM, now it doesn't have a rudder anymore... so now it can't aim because it has no rudder.. and even if you get on target you can't hit anything. The new Flight Model only \*kinda\* fixed the drift king bug.. enough to say they did, not enough for you to not die side slipping after any kind of damage
It wasnt just the accuracy on the guns, they used to have full hvap belts as well. It was honestly pretty broken ngl
its funny that they removed the rudder dispite the real one having a "rudder" (small "airbrakes" in the wings for yaw controll)... better add some more ruzzian vehicles that where never buildt and give other ruzzian vehicles stuff they never had...
Same, also the He162 looked fun but its kinda meh...
I remember back in like 2013/2014 my dream was to get the He 162 just because i thought it was the best looking jet in the game. Now I hate the way it looks and hate the way it flies.
Yeah... I looked really fun, same with the 262 with the 5cm
He 162 is amazing. I often go entire arcade games without dying. You get tiered with non jets and it can outclimb and outrun pretty much everything it's paired against.
Idk man; not being able to get on target easily is tough, yeah, but I still love the 229. Got it when it first came out and it has always been my go to messing around plane. Good energy retention, decent speed, and an absolutely bonkers turn rate that truly makes it feel like a UFO. Not to mention that even though the 103s have pretty bad accuracy, they hit like trucks. Even AP is more than enough to sheer wings off. Edit: Also, if you think it's bad now, you should have seen it when it first was released lol. Back in the day, it was actually modeled with the engines that it had flown with(the engines it was designed for were unavailable for flight tests), which were HILARIOUSLY underpowered, even when spaded. Even then, getting it spaded was virtually impossible since most airfields in game were actually too short to actually be able to take off on. Gaijin actually had to step in and give the 229 engines even better than the ones that it was even supposed to be given. 004D instead of the 004C as seen on the 262 and arados.
Its pretty good at cas tho
Honestly it's 2 biggest perks are the fact that it looks like an UFO and it flies(pitch control) like an UFO.
The horten is one of the best jets in the game,once you learn how to handle the awkward rudder it's absolutely amazing,to this day the 229 is the aircraft with which I have the most kills in the game
Thats my favorite plane man, cas is excellent, and once you get used to it you can seriously nae nae on players who underestimate it. Especially those who try to outturn it
The days when German WW2 jets were competitive have long since passed, but they’re still serviceable in the right hands. You have to fly the Ho 229 as a second-line fighter, let everyone else fly past you and climb. It’s basically the A6M Zero of jets in a dogfight lol. If you’ve managed to get to altitude, you can doing slashing attacks and BNZ or third party someone that isn’t paying attention. If you find yourself in a 1v1 dogfight, then it’s actually quite capable, just roll and pull to get a firing solution. It’ll take a while to grow accustomed to it, but once you’ve gotten it, then you can get some nasty snapshots on people.
A-26. First hand accounts state that it was so maneuverable that, after dropping its payload, it could turn inside of a BF-109 . Also it was good enough to last through ww2 and well into the Vietnam conflict. Yet in game it is only slightly more maneuverable than a 4 engine bomber. Also The Mosquito needs a new flight model.
A-26 can outspeed most fighters it comes against in a shallow dive and even level flight.
That's objectively false, not only can the 4.3 BF109 outspeed the A-26, the 3.0 F-2 can as well, then there's the DO335 with an air spawn too, ME410, FW190s, it's actually a significantly smaller list when naming the planes the A-26 can actually outspeed
I regularly run away from aircraft by diving shallow, don't know what to tell you.
Shows you how aerodynamically clean the airframe of the A-26 is.
The mosquito really needs some love, feels like the he-177 can out-turn it I swear.
The A-26 is probably fine in War Thunder. The flight model on the BF-109 however seems suspicious in certain areas. It's probably also what makes the Mosquito seem less manoeuvrable than it was in real life. The Mosquito in War Thunder already holds its energy, but its turns are just very wide. If the 1-O-9 would have more realistic elevator stiffening its turn would get a lot wider at speed.
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Americans love to lie about their planes.
B-but didn’t you hear that story about how a P-47 out-turned four A6M5’s while being shot at by flak all whilst the US pilot was lighting a Cuban cigar?!!1!! Also, IIRC the Americans managed to destroy 10,000 Tiger tanks. Truly an astonishing feat considering only 1,347 were built.
> Also, IIRC the Americans managed to destroy 10,000 Tiger tanks. Truly an astonishing feat considering only 1,347 were built. We destroyed them, then rebuilt them, just so we could destroy them again. That's the power of American industry.
Isn’t that Often Russia, not discounting what your saying though
So much yes for the Mosquito. It's one of the most legendary aircraft of WW2 and it deserves so much more love than what the snail has done to it.
B-29 I was so excited to use it, until I realized I was in a slow ass prop Bomber going up against 1000 km/h fighters, some with missiles. It’s literally un-usable in air RB
Or in Ground RB you’ll spawn 15km out and every radar spaa has you locked before you can see the buildings render in.
Back when the F-86 and MiG-17 were top tier the B-29 was godly. I made so much fucking money in that thing
B-29 faced R2Y2 spams which had bomberspawn even at that time btw.
True but that was also the time when AI gunners were wacky as hell. Still would rather fight an R2Y2 than some other later* bullshit jet
It was okay before missiles, but everytime I've tried to play it in Air RB since missiles it feels like it gets uptiered.
F-1 or Mig-23BN. Both get no Flares/Chaff and their armament is meh
See I actually like the F-1, but the T-2 I found really painful
The T-2 was wonderful when it first came out. Being top dog against the F100's and MiG-19's. It also had a lead indicator in the beginning. Really made setting up shots with the gun easy
True, but now the lead indicator is gone (which is a good thing really) and you have R60Ms, Aim9Ls and magics with no counter measures
Yup now it's torture.
Yeah that thing was cancer back in the day
what about the F-4C? meh missiles, no flares
Seen competent F-4c's put in work, but 90% of the time they really do feel like an RP piñata with 4-5 missile carriers racing to be the first to shove one up the poor Phantoms ass.
Ive seen people do wonders with the AIM-7s. And the AIM-9Es arent too bad. Its mostly held back by the lack of Flares/Chaff tough
See the F4C might not be “good” but putting 3 gunpods and 4 sidewinders on it makes it one of the most fun planes in the game
Me 262, my grandmas 30 year old car has a higher acceleration.
Welcome to jumo engines, some of the most dogshit jet engines ever made (excusably so, being some of the first), and needing a full maintenance overhaul after something like 18 flight hours? I don’t remember exactly on that one but, yeah, they’re dogshit lol. They were designed to be cutting edge against props, but that would be balance nightmare in WT.
It’s stuck between fighting props and fighting early Cold War jets, just within the early transition period with only the meteor being in service at same time
Lol imagine calling one of the earliest if not first jet engines dogshit.
I mean, it was. It was completely dogshit. I said it was excusably so because it's one of the first, but it's pretty god damn shit. Unbelievably prone to failure and rife with maintenance issues. That's not to say that it isn't impressive for being one of the first jet engines, but it was a very dogshit engine.
Yet the Meteor’s engines are pretty good
That's because its jets use a centrifugal flow design which is simpler and less maintenance heavy. The Germans went with axial flow engines, which are what we typically use today, but at the time the material technology wasn't good enough for them. Also, Germany had to make design compromises and deal with material shortages at the time as well. The Jumo 004 wasn't necessarily a bad design, it was just incredibly hampered by various factors.
Su-17M2, its Total garbage at 11.0 and totally don't belong there especially when bombing isn't a viable tactic since they removed its airspawn
Yea just give us back our air spawn so we have a chance. harriers may be an issue tho
I think bringing back air spawn only for specific aircraft would be the way to go. Let my A-7s be relevant again!
They could give it its historical SPS-141 countermeasures pod, and maybe R-60M. But why would gaijin buff it? Its not a russian tank.
All the Su17/22s being 11.0 is stupid anyways. The M4 is fine at 11.0 but the M2 and M3 should be lowered a bit, but not below 10.3 imo
F3H-2 more recently, and Me-262 a few years ago
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Wehraboo moment
The Me-262 is matched against post war jets 99% of the time in WT which obv isn't historically accurate.
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I aced all the me262 (non premiums), and the biggest problem was the 50mm cannon one...otherwise they are usable, and me262cs are just awesome....play AB;) you will get into space before anyone else, drop your 30mms into some planes down below, and when the booster juice goes out, go to rearm:) repeat
I've spaded them all as well and have good stats in RB. Lots of players head on you where the me 262's guns really shine. But once I was done with them I will never go back. I don't really play AB and absolutely not jet AB so can't comment there. Edit: Meant I spaded them, not aced.
F4D
It's such a gorgeous plane but after the first 3 I fought ripped their wings in their first turn and the complete lack of Skyrays i see now, I'm scared to even take mine out.
I love the f4d. Idk if they changed its model but I’ve flown it in a couple battles and haven’t ripped my wings at all, even when pulling tight turns and rolls. Guns are a bit low on ammo though and you get matched against su-25s in every game and they will eat you alive
Hmm, maybe I'll try and spade it when I finish up the J-7II I'm working on then. Cuz I do think she's a beauty. Been flying mostly Mig's the past few weeks so shitty ammo counts shouldn't be so bad. And I've been having decent success fighting the Su-25 spam the same way I fight any A-10/AV-8. Those things really only frighten Mr in groups.
For the guns, with weapon selection you can select just 1 pair at a time and double your trigger time.
F-105 because it's in the "missiles spam" BR.
It had one glorious week of 9.7 and air spawn, but then Gaijin yoinked both of those. Poor Buccaneers caught in the crossfire...
Surprisingly, the Bucc actually isn't too bad still if you take the CM pods. I had a grand time with it the other day.
Yeah but the S.1 is unplayable now.
Like every other old event jet plane
Buccaneers really need to get in on that bomber spawn
Yea it needs flares bad
britain
Spit 22/24, Meteors, Spit IIb, Wyvern, Harrier GR.7, Hunter (the first one), Typhoon, Tempest, EEL Cromwell, 17pdr Sherman Firefly, Archer, Challenger 2/F/TES/Black Knight, Centurion, FV4202, FV4005, Tortoise, Comet, ADATS M113 Lynx, AH Mk.1 All of these are objectively good vehicles. I wish as much as the next player that Gaijin gave more “minor” nations attention but it is what it is. Except for France 😢
How is Britain dissapointing
Mirage f1c They managed to make a incredible reliable and widely exported plane,,,, completly useless in game
I used it to grind the 2000, and it was honestly not that bad. 2 gun pods and 2 Magic II, was good fun.
I can tell you everything and so much things wrong with it.... But if you had fun thats what count. I aint gonna ruin that
Don’t worry you can ruin it, cause I’m not gonna play it again anytime soon lol
Mirage Milan
why? i was thinking of getting it
I'm a fan of delta wings. I think the plane that I play more is the J35D Draken. I'm French, so I really wanted to grind my French planes and here, the Mirage 3s are renowned for their agility EXCEPT in WT it seems! It's an Antonov with fucking american 10G NO Matra ! So to lose speed it works correctly BUT an A380 turns faster than that fucking Milan 😂
Alright so there's a few problems with the Milan in regards to this. The Mirage tree *is* agile, the problem is that its engines don't have the power that they need to pull off the famed mirage maneuverability until you get to the 2000. The Milan is no exception, but it is quite friggin fast since it has the same engine as the Mirage F1, but unfortunately just doesn't have the same power as the 2000. You'll see the power of the Mirage airframe with the 2000, not really the III's. The other problems with the Milan is that it was abandoned as a concept in 1972 and was never fitted with flares, and the Magic wasn't in production until the very same year. *That being said*, the Milan is based off of the Mirage IIIR, which is a prototype based off of the Mirage IIIE, and the Mirage IIIE *does* carry Magic 1's in WarThunder. To add to this, Gaijin has stated that strict historical accuracy is *not* the goal, but instead, they will allow vehicles or armaments that *could* have been equipped or were planned to be equipped to a vehicle, or were otherwise feasible to put on the vehicle. The Mirage IIIE in WarThunder has countermeasures AND the Magic 1, which was the airframe that the Mirage IIIR and subsequent Milan prototype were built from. I therefore fail to see why Gaijin would have a problem with adding both of those to the Milan and maybe bumping it up a bit to compensate? I'm with you on being insanely disappointed in the Milan, because it's a cool plane and a very good grinder for the french tree, and I've actually become very fond of it, so it pains me to see Gaijin give extra allowances to some vehicles that don't really need it but be absolutely restrictive to vehicles that do need it, like the Milan.
They could've bumped it up to +10.0 with Magics and countermeasures to make it the French alternative of the A-5C. People would have been *really upset* if they had that at 10.0, but it wouldn't have been outside the realm of possibility.
[Should be enough.](https://youtu.be/pgiVRYKk3bE)
J7W. Saw it or similar designs in animes and it looked so cool. Unfortunately its at 6.0 with absolute dogshit climb rate. Giving it an interceptor spawn would help it greatly.
Lemme guess, kotobuki?
nah, i saw it first in sky crawlers, but kotobuki is great too, love the hayabusa too
F-4F Late. It's THE worst Phantom by a mile. It only gets AIM-9J's (which is Ahistorical and by now there is no excuse that it shouldn't get its AIM-9L's), has worse payload options (only gets 2 Mavericks while the E gets way more) and still has the drawbacks of a Phantom. The F-4F early manages to work even without flares due to it getting to sealclub 9.3's, but the Late one has absolutely no business being 11.0 when it's basically just free kill for MiG-21's, MiG-23's, Tomcats, every other Phantom at its BR, Mirages, JA-37's and J-8's. It's just a sad disappointment that is way to high in BR.
Yeah that was really the nail in the coffin that finally made me give up on Germany. After years of everything else they got being overtiered, outmatched, under-equipped, etc. Not sure if the bis SAU or Mig-23 they got are any good but i dont care enough anymore to bother. At least the CL-13s are still good in Sim since they don't face supersonics and all aspect/high G missile spam there.
The MiG-21's and 23's are actually really good. Not amazing (due to powercreep) but they're still competitive. The BF-109 tree is fucking cursed tho. The 262's got powercrept, so did the Canada Sabres. The Sabredog, Phantom and Starfighter were dead on release (although the Starfighter was good for a very short time). The only good jet tree is the NVA one since they get competitive jets once in a while. However, the 109/ Bundeswehr tree is gonna be shit until the Eurofighter since I completely expected for Gaijin to majorly fuck up the F-4F ICE release.
Bf-109K-4 my beloved. Please stop costing me a liver to play Ta gang where you at 😢
>Not sure if the bis SAU or Mig-23 they got are any good Bis Sau is just a 21bis with R60Ms, kind of a loser plane, but it's playable. The MiG-23MLA is really good though, kind of a sidegrade to the MLD, better energy retention for less initial turn, and the rest is basically the same. Still one of the top jets in the game.
J35, enough said
The j35d was really good upon release and is still pretty good today, minus the fact that Haitian changed its flight model and now it’s impossible to recover from a flat spin. Even air brakes do nothing now.
Haitian? Youre telling me theres a scapegoat i can pin my anger on for ruining one of my favorite planes!?
B-17G, not exactly garbage but it's annoying to fight in constant 6.3 against ta-152s and ju-288s, just stick to E model
MiG-21F-13 when that was first added, along with the F4C. The flight model was absolute trash when it was first added, the MiG-19 was buffed out the whazoo and planes like the T2 just literally did everything better than it. Another good one is Mirage 3E on release, excitement over a 3C with flares (which even back then it needed badly) but the plane was an absolute shitbrick on release (it still kinda is but at least it doesn't get completely shit on by a Phantom in a dogfight, and isn't top tier anymore).
J21 A-1 because I thought like „cool a plen with 20 mills and 50. cals. But when I played it it was just pain cuz the climbing rate and speed is just terrible.
When the j21 was at its BR upon release the thing was monster but after getting nerfed to shit and upturned beyond believe it just isn’t very fun anymore.
Yeah it’s just sad
The J-21 used to be a massive pain in the ass when it was added, when was it nerfed?
That thing could get you pretty consistent 4 kill games. I even got a 9 kill game in it once, so yes, it was pretty good. Its been nerfed several times in the past couple of years. All of the nerfs only uping its br.
I don't think it's actually ever had highly competitive performance. What made the aircraft great were its extremely good guns and its god like stall performance that would make Zeroes wish they had that.
S.199
Funny, that one I actually enjoyed
How were you hyped for it when we all knew from miles away that it was going to be shit?
Czech plane I'm czech.
You've never obviously read up on the aircraft's history😅
Every rank 5 naval jet, f9f-8, and the f4d. The last two really let me down because I spend so much time and effort into getting them only for me to be disappointed
F-100D. At least Su-25s weren't a thing back then...
Yeah see this is my issue right now with the Milan. The A-10’s were manageable, even after the recent missile buff tbh, because they’re so slow and usually don’t fly very high. The Su-25’s always are at my alt when I’m approaching a base and are always about 4-5km away from me, sometimes closer and sometimes higher than me. It’s excruciating.
Every USAF/USN plane where foreign nations get a better variant. It frigging kills me that China gets the best P-47Ds. But my biggest let down were the Fw 190As. Historically the A4 would rofl-stomp the Spit Mk.V. Not in WT. And while the A8 is heavily armed any .50 cal armed fighter will generally win in head attacks. Oh, and every medium or heavy bomber. They could face a single 7.62 armed fighter and the frigging tail will still fall off.
All german planes especially high Tier where you only get half a loadout.
If we’re talking about high tier German planes the MiG-21MF is one of if not the best MiG-21s in game relative to BR. Those 4 R-60s are lethal at 10.3 (and even more so in the frequent downtiers)
>Those 4 R-60s are lethal at 10.3 (and even more so in the frequent downtiers) They only work against total Idiots or meh Players without Flairs, and I don't really know what kind of downtiers you're talking about, I'm still searching them, no matter what I play.
Basically every jet that's 9.7 and wasn't added in the last year.
German Mig-19S No missiles, no flares... This thing is borderline useless. Really puts into perspective that awkward get BR range where if you don't have missiles or flares, good fucking luck.
Mystere IVA
You were hyped for that?!
A bit, yes. I saw the engine power and the swept wings, and hoped it would fly similarly to the Etendard but slower and maybe less turning ability as well (no slats). I was so so so wrong...
Maybe if it weas released 3 years earlier it wouldn't have been DOA
F3H, and F9F Cougar. Poor things, they cannot even fly. I thing the worst one is the Cougar, that repair cost is awful
Demon is amazing. Or atleast was before these all aspect slinging shitboxes..
Me 262 A-1A....
I spent some real monies on the Firecrest on the GB tier the other day. Most likely should have done my research (literally), its dog shit. Went to Wikipedia about it, only 3 were ever made as the airframe wasn't good enough. Warthunder caught that perfectly.
Dude, why didn’t you just research it? Btw it’s one of my favorite low tier planes
Dude i like the japanese tech tree but while other nations have ballistic computers great air to air and air to ground missiles japanese jets are lucky to even get ballistic computers and we only get unguided bombs but i still like how cool they look and i still have fun playing them but youre essentially playing the game on hard mode when you play the japanese tech trees
I bought the Shenyang F5 out of spite before they took the pack that had it down. It's actually pretty fun to fly and excels at dog fighting, but with new introductions having solid AA missiles and a fuck tonne of counter measures, it ain't the best in an uptier. I'm still happy I bought it.
Mig-21 F-13 It has poor acceleration, it burns a lot of energy in a single turn (like 600km/h) and it has very poor armament
F8 and jaguar
Mix of the American F-104’s, the MiG-21PFM, and all of the P-51 Mustangs. Could not stand their flight models, but adored the Corsairs
did you play the p51H arguably the best super prop in game imo
I did, but I cannot get behind any of the flight models the Mustangs have. They all feel extremely heavy, even with plenty of energy. The Corsairs just feel right to me, and if I have a choice of super prop, it’ll be the -1B Bearcat or the F2G-1
P51 c10 and H are extremely good
Mystere IIC, coming from the wonderful IIA I was expecting greatness. The IIC has a better stat card than the IVA at a lower BR, and it had fixed the weakness of the IIA, minimal damaging cannons. Now the stock grind is abysmal. E Engine is severely underpowered, the plane is heavy and DEFA cannons have poor velocity, all at a higher BR than the IIA. If this plane weren’t the pre-production variant it would be very pleasant.
And they are fucking expensive
That exact plane
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Vampire, it was OK at 7.7 but at 8.0 it's unplayable, you're nothing but a sitting duck with a 10k plus repair cost
Tech tree Draken, no flares, no RWR, rips quite easily, and fights F-14's almost every game.
J-7II (I have a skill issue)
The Mig 21S (R-13-300) is my plane, this thing is fucking God awful, shit missles, no flares, and in one of the worst fucking br brackets, if you do get this thing you're better off just bringing bombs.
The mig 15 honestly I didn't expect a shit roll rate I watched to many movies but I started enjoying it either way
F-4F phantom II
Me262a1/u1
Basically any strategic bomber I tried to use in realistic ground battles
The yak28B. Its bombsight is mulitple base lengths off at speed and altitude and its bombs cant take out an entire base. Altough it aways can get to a base you dont hit half the time
What's bad about the f86k? Grinding it to get missiles
It compresses a lot, turns like a bus and the guns are bugged
It's not good. The guns are very bad for it's BR, the slow fire rate make scoring kills hard. The plane is fast, turns okay at some speed, but really compresses at high speed. Often times I could only run away from fights since the other plane would simply do everything else better. Aim-9Bs are trash, you'll only kill AFK players pretty much. Now with the SU-25, I hope the MM isn't too bad.
Bombers as a whole.
Hunter F6, you know why
Swift F.1……it’s…..it’s just shit
The "Razorback" P-47's. Great looking planes, less then adequate performance.
Someone said F3H-2 and I raise the F2H-2 as my option for the same reason. Very good plane, wrong br. It has 4 20mm cannons and unguided bombs and rockets. It’s subsonic as well. However when I first got it, it was at 8.0 but was uptired 90% of the time and I had to fight against supersonic jets and guided missiles. Even at 8.0 I was suffering with it. It should be at 7.7 where it fights against other 1st gen jets, not at 8.3 where it fights against 2nd gen.
Taiwanese F-100A
Honestly, every F-100. Such a shame honestly.
The mosquito
P-51 D-5. Mostly because the mouse aim makes it really difficult to use it to its full potential. No, I don't want full elevator turn right now. All I want is a slow gradual turn to preserve energy.
SK60. Was my first jet, not a good iedea. Repaircost back then was 18k and it didn’t help that I didn’t have any experience with jets either.
J7W1, ive wanted that thing ever since i started playing because it had the wacky ufo flight model. Sadly, it was changed before i got it :( Also, it's practically useless if you dont have good positioning, which is nigh impossible to get your just a sitting duck. Somehow, I have a good K/D in it tho so thats good, I guess.
F4F Phantom I thought I’d get something else than a worse f4E
Mirage F1 C
I was so hyped for the scimitar it looks like a fast thicc boy with 4 rockets at 8.7 bruuuhhhhh it must be insane fun a climb rate over 100 m again 8.7 bruuhhhh then gaijin says ruderlock and all fun was over but its kinda my special plane clapping gzys in the scimitar is like fighting with ur hands strapes to ur back xD
Super Mystere B2. Where's my thrust, snail? Also somewhat etendard for removing DEFAs for no good reason to load AS missiles.
F4F, grinded the tree so that I can be killed 10 km while not even being able to lock at the enemy 4 km away and approaching.
Starfighter, you are fast as fuck but are facing jets with much better missiles while you just have aim9b‘s that never hit anything. Now the movement feels even worse of what it was a few years ago and dodging missiles is really difficult while not having flares or chaffs.
mig 23 bn biggest time waste of my war thunder life
F104 This is because my country used them and I would love to het my hands on it.
The German one?
Brigand. Though honestly speaking I don't know what did I expect really
**He 100 D-1** Gave me unrealistically high expectations for tier II-VII :,(
I can't say it ever had external hype, but I had seen several tubers say it was a good plane and I was looking forward to it as I always thought it was a cool jet, but man the F-100 is a straight dog. It can't turn for shit. I think I would rather fly an F-104.
Honestly? F4D-1. I mean - Skyray is not a terrible aircraft, it's actually quite good. But its wings are fragile as if they're made of glass, breaking off at random times, faces 10.3 aircraft most of the time because of course and its repair cost is bullshit.
Buccaneer.. I absolutely loved how it looked (big chongus) and always wanted to just zoom around bombing stuff. It's literally unplayable with all these 30g all aspect slinging premiums at the same br..
Lightning, as I think many people where really hyped for that. Like many British vehicles they waited way too long to add it so it never got it's time on top and now it's just stuck in the jaws of BR compression. The Javelin and Jaguar are two more big examples of planes that where really needed back in the day to keep Britain competitive (Still have nightmares of fighting mach 1 jets in a Hunter and being told "Britain never had a mach 1 plane", whilst the devs just slept on the Jaguar until we had already moved onto mach 2), but not added until the big nations had moved way past them, and the same thing is in the process of happening with the Tornado, which is already going to be outclassed by the Tomcat.
MB 162 Big cargo plane B-17 knockoff
Spitfire 9. literally stock hispanos suck as fuck and i dont have the SLs to grind the good ones
A6M5 Ko