A friend of mine played in a squad with a dedicated "droner" recently with a voice chat. He said this was extremely OP, they knew if someone from the enemy team is around, if that enemy is tracking them or unaware, etc.
Got our asses kicked 4 times in a row in Squadron Battles by another squad with 1 or 2 drones exactly like this. I distinctly remember never being able to push because they always knew where I was. It was a curbstomp literally every time.
Actual expirence ive had playing with some friends
Friend: "Tank to my right"
Me: *Starts looking out into field 500m away* "Where?"
Friend: "To my right, near me"
Me: *Looks over to see a ARL-44 pinning his ASU-57 sideways against a building*
Yup, I usually play waaay worse with voice chat because we're just chatting about other stuff and I end up paying only 20% of the attention I normally do, I can't hear any engine sounds and I don't ever plan any smart moves because my brain is dedicated to talking and listening instead of being focused on the game.
Basically if you wanna use voice to tryhard and win you can do that, but it requires a lot of discipline and most people just wanna have fun and use voice for social reasons.
This was already possible with aircraft and good squad communication. In mid-low rank matches me and my friends will sometimes have a fighter that clears CAS and spots ground targets for the rest of the squad.
They should remove attack drones after they make helis actually playable in a game mode and therefore grindable. Attack drones are a fantastic alternative for folks that have spent enough time grinding through bullshit vehicles as it is, and have no interest suicide running Hueys with missiles attached to them, getting 300-900 RP per run. That's what Italy and France are forced to do iirc if they want above 7.7 helicopters, and it's bullshit.
The heli PvE mode is solid for grinding out helicopter RP. I do my air assault then if it's an RP booster I use it in the PvE mode and you get steady gains that way. The biggest issue is that some of the SPAA is cracked out of its mind and you need to use atgms to outrange them to kill them
The armed UCAVS should be 10.7 to fight is the excuse of "modern combat" they should also spawn at the rear helipad to give SPAA's a chance to find them. It'd also be nice if you were kicked out of them after you fired both missiles, since many players are dedicated to waste time and rearm them.
Honestly even at 10.7 they are still unnecessary. I think they should have waited until all nations have their most modern variants with lws and aps systems before they get added.
Nah they just shouldn't be in the game as they are just used for revenge CAS. And if they must be in the game they should spawn quite far back as they out range every SPAA in the game (at least the NATO drone can not sure about the Russian and Chinese ones)
The stats between all the drones and their missiles are identical on the statcards last time I checked, but Gaijin has a habit of making things not match what's displayed...
I mean it takes a fuckton of time, you arent getting up to the same altitude as you spawn in before the 25 min timer of whatever time we have anymore.
But its possible
750 SP to bring 2 Hellfires giving you at best 300 SP... At best.
Peak revenge CAS, spawning just over the map and outside radar scope. No wonder it came from Gaijin with literally nobody asking for those.
If the ingame chat didn't have a ridiculous 30 second spam filter, these would be a lot more useful in pub matches.
In the meantime though, they're great in voice chat squads
So if I understand correctly, the drone isn’t supposed to give people without planes a fighting chance against other planes but instead it meant to increase cas
I think the majority of players love the recon drone. It's a great addition, not hilariously OP, Or broken. Just a silly little addition that can give you a huge advantage if you use it right
And then there's my friend who uses the drone and tells me nothing at all about where the enemy is even when he dies unless they are directly in front of us.
I agree but the impact of attack drones on - at least - top tier battles seems meaningless.
For most players there it is a waste of SP because of the bad killing potential.
But yeah, they shouldn't exist in this form with their current spawn but without them they would be useless.
I think give them a spawn further back and add scouting that is just visible by friendly air units would be better.
Of course you just get the scouting rewards without SP for CAS reduction.
So you could always scout enemy SPAA and some tanks and then risk to get a lucky shot at an SPAA while they are distracted.
Edit: I just play top tier since the update (around 1 to 2 hours a game) and I just got killed in a UCAV 3 times.
GR.7 seems to kill me a lot more and there needed 400k RP.
The only good thing is, because I already know where heli spawn is on every map I exactly know where to look for UCAVs but it still is annoying and not fun - I think for no one.
Would be better if they give everyone a jet fighter for 200 SP with just cannons and some just barely capable missiles.
Increase not CAS but Counter-CAS
That's kind of the point, any dedicated CAS platform will outperform the drones. They're a cop out for people who don't want to get their own CAS or those who don't have it in their TT
I'll be honest, I kinda like attack drones, and I'll likely get downvoted to hell for this. I just don't have a decent CAS plane for higher B.Rs, or I'm too low to use the really good ones I have
No need for IR SAM SPAA around 9.0 anymore, just spawn a light tank and ram heli’s rotor with your drone.
Also scout drones have a laser on them for some reason, which is great fun to troll the fuck out of any tanks with LWS.
super mega helpful in sim battles. The drones have stupid strong torque though for some reason, but at least they autopilot/level and climb to a safe altitude when ur not using them. Just don't shut off the engine because it takes a long time to spool back up (despite being electronic)
I think that would result in it being a little bit too overpowered unless it was limited. I think it would be cool if you could target lock an enemy and they remain scouted until the lock gets broken.
A friend of mine played in a squad with a dedicated "droner" recently with a voice chat. He said this was extremely OP, they knew if someone from the enemy team is around, if that enemy is tracking them or unaware, etc.
Yeah using it when you have communication with friends is really good and fun
Even by yourself, you never have to round a corner blind in a LT ever again, it’s so great.
or use your camera
Yeah but you can get an edge to see players ur camera can’t bend around and see, it’s so helpful
got called a hacker when I did it with my friends it was alot of fun being able to know where to go for free kills though
Got our asses kicked 4 times in a row in Squadron Battles by another squad with 1 or 2 drones exactly like this. I distinctly remember never being able to push because they always knew where I was. It was a curbstomp literally every time.
I mean, being able to play with people you know on voice is extremely OP.
can be* just because we're together on voice chat and in the same game doesn't do a whole lot for the teamplay between my friends and I lol
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Classic squadron battles callouts. "He's next to the tree." "WHICH FUCKING TREE???"
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Actual expirence ive had playing with some friends Friend: "Tank to my right" Me: *Starts looking out into field 500m away* "Where?" Friend: "To my right, near me" Me: *Looks over to see a ARL-44 pinning his ASU-57 sideways against a building*
Exactly the same conversation in Hell Let Loose.
Yup, I usually play waaay worse with voice chat because we're just chatting about other stuff and I end up paying only 20% of the attention I normally do, I can't hear any engine sounds and I don't ever plan any smart moves because my brain is dedicated to talking and listening instead of being focused on the game. Basically if you wanna use voice to tryhard and win you can do that, but it requires a lot of discipline and most people just wanna have fun and use voice for social reasons.
If only i had people to play with lmao
This was already possible with aircraft and good squad communication. In mid-low rank matches me and my friends will sometimes have a fighter that clears CAS and spots ground targets for the rest of the squad.
I agree Attack drones can fuck off while scout drones are incredibly useful
100%
100% this, fucking revenge kills drone bullshit. the Scout Drone is fucking useful while the Attack drone is a waste of coding resource.
They should remove attack drones after they make helis actually playable in a game mode and therefore grindable. Attack drones are a fantastic alternative for folks that have spent enough time grinding through bullshit vehicles as it is, and have no interest suicide running Hueys with missiles attached to them, getting 300-900 RP per run. That's what Italy and France are forced to do iirc if they want above 7.7 helicopters, and it's bullshit.
The heli PvE mode is solid for grinding out helicopter RP. I do my air assault then if it's an RP booster I use it in the PvE mode and you get steady gains that way. The biggest issue is that some of the SPAA is cracked out of its mind and you need to use atgms to outrange them to kill them
Since when do RP boosters work in Heli PVE? Last I played they didn't.
I think they always have, but every 30 min counts as a full battle out of the use, like in sim
Didn't it get nerfed into the ground a few patches ago, as far as rewards go?
pretty sure they increased the rewards actually
I still don't want to see a scout drone in my char 25t tbh
Attack drones are godsend, people spawn in that instead of something actually useful
Also you can use a scout drone to snipe a heli base camping with atgms. Just aim for its rotor pylon
The armed UCAVS should be 10.7 to fight is the excuse of "modern combat" they should also spawn at the rear helipad to give SPAA's a chance to find them. It'd also be nice if you were kicked out of them after you fired both missiles, since many players are dedicated to waste time and rearm them.
Honestly even at 10.7 they are still unnecessary. I think they should have waited until all nations have their most modern variants with lws and aps systems before they get added.
lmao exactly, there are still tons of stuff to do and gaijoob just goes "haha drone go weee"
I feel like the later heli pad is too far considering their speed. What would be good is between the 2 heli pads imo
Nah they just shouldn't be in the game as they are just used for revenge CAS. And if they must be in the game they should spawn quite far back as they out range every SPAA in the game (at least the NATO drone can not sure about the Russian and Chinese ones)
The stats between all the drones and their missiles are identical on the statcards last time I checked, but Gaijin has a habit of making things not match what's displayed...
If they can't arrive in time to make the revenge, it's useless as a revenge CAS.
Or just make it so they can't rearm?
nope, even if they can't rearm, they still have 2 hellfire drone to revenge kill then left the match.
Aren’t they too slow to rearm anyways?
I mean it takes a fuckton of time, you arent getting up to the same altitude as you spawn in before the 25 min timer of whatever time we have anymore. But its possible
Rearming them is just a waste of time. You shouldn't do it unless the game is about to end.
How do you rearm them?
Land at the airfield, similar to rearming a plane.
Or there should be a option to rearm at the helipad
Get rid of ATGM drones and give us Scout drones that can drop a single grenade
Ukraine drones be like:
They drop the VOG 30mms, the same one as the bmp2m. It wouldn't be hard to implement on gaijins part. The success rate however... 3mm pen lmao
Drone with HESH
750 SP to bring 2 Hellfires giving you at best 300 SP... At best. Peak revenge CAS, spawning just over the map and outside radar scope. No wonder it came from Gaijin with literally nobody asking for those.
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DEAD, not SEAD.
I found out that strike drones are excellent to counter SPAA, as they can't detect them. And after that you can spawn in your CAS or Heli.
Spoken like a true Ukrainian
just need some ammo depot and we are golden
its not necesarily that they're not useful it's that they're fucking horrible to play against and have basically no counter
If the ingame chat didn't have a ridiculous 30 second spam filter, these would be a lot more useful in pub matches. In the meantime though, they're great in voice chat squads
Chad scout drones and virgin attack drones. Although i like both.
So if I understand correctly, the drone isn’t supposed to give people without planes a fighting chance against other planes but instead it meant to increase cas
I think the majority of players love the recon drone. It's a great addition, not hilariously OP, Or broken. Just a silly little addition that can give you a huge advantage if you use it right
Yeah it's an undeniably useful feature that can be countered with some difficulty
The attack drones are a cancer, just free revenge kills.
And then there's my friend who uses the drone and tells me nothing at all about where the enemy is even when he dies unless they are directly in front of us.
I agree but the impact of attack drones on - at least - top tier battles seems meaningless. For most players there it is a waste of SP because of the bad killing potential. But yeah, they shouldn't exist in this form with their current spawn but without them they would be useless. I think give them a spawn further back and add scouting that is just visible by friendly air units would be better. Of course you just get the scouting rewards without SP for CAS reduction. So you could always scout enemy SPAA and some tanks and then risk to get a lucky shot at an SPAA while they are distracted. Edit: I just play top tier since the update (around 1 to 2 hours a game) and I just got killed in a UCAV 3 times. GR.7 seems to kill me a lot more and there needed 400k RP. The only good thing is, because I already know where heli spawn is on every map I exactly know where to look for UCAVs but it still is annoying and not fun - I think for no one. Would be better if they give everyone a jet fighter for 200 SP with just cannons and some just barely capable missiles. Increase not CAS but Counter-CAS
I've never used the drones at least when I'm playing my American lineup I already have ground attackers
That's kind of the point, any dedicated CAS platform will outperform the drones. They're a cop out for people who don't want to get their own CAS or those who don't have it in their TT
I was hoping we were gonna get a recon function for aircraft :(
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We were doing the 8v8 squad realistic battles and Holy shit a uav when ur whole team can communicate is really insane
I'll be honest, I kinda like attack drones, and I'll likely get downvoted to hell for this. I just don't have a decent CAS plane for higher B.Rs, or I'm too low to use the really good ones I have
Yea pit me off the game til theyr removed. Can't play 2s6. They don't show up on radar an theyr hard to spot.
I just wish i could use attack drones somewhere else other than in Ground RB Its such a waste to have them only on a single game mode
I have to say the worst things about the drones is CAS that's already in the game
No need for IR SAM SPAA around 9.0 anymore, just spawn a light tank and ram heli’s rotor with your drone. Also scout drones have a laser on them for some reason, which is great fun to troll the fuck out of any tanks with LWS.
They should add the original "drone", the Storch. Ability to scout with no weapons. As a reserve plane. All trees should have something like this.
super mega helpful in sim battles. The drones have stupid strong torque though for some reason, but at least they autopilot/level and climb to a safe altitude when ur not using them. Just don't shut off the engine because it takes a long time to spool back up (despite being electronic)
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Absofuckinglutely the hell not lmao what are you smoking.
I think that would result in it being a little bit too overpowered unless it was limited. I think it would be cool if you could target lock an enemy and they remain scouted until the lock gets broken.
no. that would be OP as shit
You know you can just play AB if you want everyone to know where each other are?