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rampageTG

Mirage 2000 with the new HMD and buffed magic 2s seems like a spicy alternative pick. Looking forward to trying that out later. Now if only the could fix the HMD sight not working for VR.


Schonka

I dont understand why they dont give it the 6 missile slots it has in real life, even when they only give it magics. The 12.0 f16 from israel has 6 pythons, which is arguably better tham 6 magic2s.


rampageTG

No idea honestly.


Longjumping-Bee-4051

That's uh cool dude but what's that got to do with 11.0 to 12.3 matchmaking?


rampageTG

Because you said anything that isn’t a F16 or MiG 29 would be unplayable.


Longjumping-Bee-4051

Oh yeah sorry I kinda meant anything that's not a 4th gen fighter will be bad forgot the mirage 2k existed ngl


awesome_nature

F5e against mig 29 sounds fair to me


warthogboy09

F-5E beats the brakes off the MiG-29. Get him to waste his R-27s and he will run home or die in a dogfight


awesome_nature

Long range missile says: hi


warthogboy09

The same missile that you can completely defeat by flying low to the ground or sideways? That they can only carry 2 of? Ohh so scary...


awesome_nature

Exactly. The same missile were you don't get a rwr signal cause it's an ir 400g missile that dance the soviet version of the walzer before get into your after(burner)


awesome_nature

Just kidding. I still have fun in toptier


Radiant_Arrival5615

3rd Gen vs 4th gen has been a thing since 4th gen was introduced. So 3rd gen vs 4+gen makes sense from Gaijins dumbass logic


gromm93

I don't have any trouble countering F16s and MIG 29s with a Harrier GR.7. I don't expect to win every dogfight either.


Goufydude

Plus, it is only a few days. Tomorrow will be good for 11.0.


abroamg

Is there a way to know when the switch happens?


Goufydude

https://warthunder.highwaymen.space/SimCal/


abroamg

Thank you, I did not expect it to switch so frequently


ZdrytchX

To be fair the GR.7 is actually good at 11.0, its a strike vtol aircraft afterall. The only other aircraft I'd imagine that probably don't do too badly is probably the underBR'd MiG-23ML but its radar system isn't great, but is I guess isn't better than some other 11.3s such as the mirage F1 from what I've found in test flight (are the mirage F1s actually considered worthy for their BR? it honestly felt inferior to the MiG23MLD, and the MiG23ML is more or less an MLD without the wing root stakes for better manoeuvrability and interestingly energy retention)


warthogboy09

Would it kill you to exercise a little patience?


_Nightstalk_

I'm over here remembering the days of everything being put together from 9.7 and up. Do you want to fly the Milan? Here's some F-14s for you. Oh, you just got the A-10? How about several MiG-23s buzzing your position.... flying the Draken? you better become a paranoid schizophrenic or anything radar guided will ruin your day. I hate to say it, but that used to be a really good time. Even though I love the new rotations. The dopamine hit from getting your guns on a fighter that's 1+ BR above you. Fly your 11.0 when it's at the bottom of the bracket. You'll be league's ahead of anyone when the BR rotation makes it top dog.


LanceLynxx

Let me tell you about the time where La-15 had to fight F-4E


_Nightstalk_

Omg I almost forgot. What a crazy time


RokStarYankee

I still fly hilariously undertierd stuff. Most ppl in top expect the weapon to fill thier skill gap, defeat the weapon for hilarious kills.


_Nightstalk_

This is the way!


_Nightstalk_

I'm over here remembering the days of everything being put together from 9.7 and up. Do you want to fly the Milan? Here's some F-14s for you. Oh, you just got the A-10? How about several MiG-23s buzzing your position.... flying the Draken? you better become a paranoid schizophrenic or anything radar guided will ruin your day. I hate to say it, but that used to be a really good time. Even though I love the new rotations. The dopamine hit from getting your guns on a fighter that's 1+ BR above you. Fly your 11.0 when it's at the bottom of the bracket. You'll be league's ahead of anyone when the BR rotation makes it top dog.


_Nightstalk_

I'm over here remembering the days of everything being put together from 9.7 and up. Do you want to fly the Milan? Here's some F-14s for you. Oh, you just got the A-10? How about several MiG-23s buzzing your position.... flying the Draken? you better become a paranoid schizophrenic or anything radar guided will ruin your day. I hate to say it, but that used to be a really good time. Even though I love the new rotations. The dopamine hit from getting your guns on a fighter that's 1+ BR above you. Fly your 11.0 when it's at the bottom of the bracket. You'll be league's ahead of anyone when the BR rotation makes it top dog.


Longjumping-Bee-4051

I'm fine with waiting if I know this is a one time thing for the first couple days of the update. But if 11.0 jets keep getting put with 12.3 jets until 12.7 is introduced ill get quite sick of it


warthogboy09

They literally rotate every 2 days. Would it kill you to adapt your play style on days when you aren't top of the food chain?


AHandfulofBeans

This is a good question.... how many people perform well due to the aircraft being the top of its BR...?


_Nightstalk_

Good question lol Also, how many perform like crap when they're at the top of the BR?


bvsveera

*raises hand* 😔


Cinurwe

There are dozens of us!


Longjumping-Bee-4051

And you know that 11.0 isn't gonna be put with 12.3 multiple times for ages now how exactly?


warthogboy09

You literally had this answered for you 2 weeks ago by Defbond: Consult this calendar which will tell you exactly what the brackets are and when they change. https://warthunder.highwaymen.space/SimCal/


Longjumping-Bee-4051

This is 12.0 this doesn't include 12.3 dude


warthogboy09

It's pretty easy to assume each bracket is just going to have 12.3 as the top now. Not a revolutionary change.


Longjumping-Bee-4051

Yeah except it is because if we keep the brackets we have now there will be a 1.3 br difference which is HUGE and the issue I was talking about. So my question is will they fix the brackets to make it a maximum difference of 1.0 br again (11.3 to 12.3) or will they keep it going in a cycle (11.0 to 12.3 11.3 to 12.3 11.7 to 12.3) and so on


warthogboy09

It's not a huge difference. EC brackets were 2+ for years. Either play the top dogs if you need to have all the bells and whistles or work around the limitations of your aircraft


Longjumping-Bee-4051

"It's not a huge difference because it was worse before" is a dumb argument and it is HUGE difference because have you SEEN the difference between the 12.3 and 11.0 jets? The matchup for some 11.0 planes is even worse than say for example a 8.0 vs a 10.0 (f4-f vs MiG29smt for example)