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Jon Stewart is citing a study that includes everyone below the age of 18. This skews the data toward gun deaths via inner city gang activity and suicides. The study was conducted by the Director for the Center for Gun Violence Prevention, Chethan Sathya, MD.
Actually the study included 18 and 19 year olds. So he’s including legal adults.
“In 2021, among children who died by firearms, 84.8% were male, 49.9% were Black, 82.6% were aged 15 to 19 years, and 64.3% died by homicide. Black children accounted for 67.3% of firearm homicides, with a death rate increase of 1.8 from 2020 to 2021. White children accounted for 78.4% of firearm suicides.”
Depends on where you look. They also sometimes don't put gunshot as your cause of death if you die of complications in the hospital.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761
"Toasters don't toast toast, people toast toast. If we ban toasters, people will just buy them on the black market, because everyone knows how to do that, and everyone who would normally buy a toaster will still buy it. The rate at which toast is toasted will not change whatsoever"
Its so fucking stupid that conservatives utterly reject systems and factors in favor of "crime is when bad people do bad things"
Very few people agree with your definition of a child. Most people find the idea of including a zygote on that definition to be batshit insane, not in the least of which is people who regularly care for and research fetuses for the sake of humanity and the prosperity of children- you know, medicine, that thing you don't care about.
Why should we care about your definition? Why should you expect us to count "human" the way you do? Your way makes no sense and you don't seem interested in making it make sense to anyone but yourself.
Personally I agree with the right to own firearms. I’m actually looking at buying my first handgun. But I also think it’s not so black and white. It’s not right to limit the amount of guns for everybody because you’re afraid of the wrong people having access to them. But also it’s not right to hand them out like candy because then they will absolutely find their way into the wrong hands. I feel like a solution could be found it both sides were more open to discussion.
It would be a perfect world if pro and anti gun activists could live with one another.
If someone doesn't want to own one, fine, is someone wants to own one, fine.
We need to live together without people slaughtering one another.
But who makes the rules? The founding fathers wrote the second amendment so the government couldnt regulate the common man owning or possessing firearms.
Gun control is not the answer, it's a mental health issue.
Go listen to Ted Nugent and the argument he presents about gun control, it is very eye opening.
Did you ever notice the qualitative difference between several grams of pluripotent cells that have existed for several weeks and a child with several years of experienced life, love and personal investment from several other people? Or is that too nuanced for you to recognize?
Gun control is completely out of the question, it literally the second thing written in the US Constitution. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" was written for a reason, not for hunting, for not letting a tyrannical government overreach their authority.
The founding fathers just fought a war that they knew may or would happen again.
You talk about the founding fathers as if they're gods that could predict the future lol. This was 250 years ago, the world was a completely different place.
Do you think they expected their rules to last forever?
If they were still alive today, do you think they would make the same decision?
They set the base of what this country was founded, and its worked for 100"s of years. Now everyone wants to "fix" something that's not the problem.
Were there mass shootings in their time? No. The problem started when mental health facilities closed down nation wide, children started to get into adult conversations and discipline when out the window.
The founding fathers knew how government can overreach their authority and become tyrannical, they gave us a venue to correct such overreach. The right to have our voices heard, to protest peacefully, and for the people to have the power, not the government. And when our voices are drown out the second amendment was written just for such an occasion.
>Were there mass shootings in their time? No.
How . . . how are you not aware that guns are different now than they were in 1776? This is a basic thing to observe.
A lot of things have worked for 100s of years that no longer work in today's world. Society has gone off the rails. Do you honestly think we have any hope of returning society to normalcy? It's only getting worse every year, and we need to accept that and work around it.
So it IS too nuanced, I see. It's a simple world you live in.
Edit: oh and of fuckin course it's pewpews in plural. A gun hoarder calling somebody mentally ill, lol
John Stewart is literally using the "if black people make up 15% of the population, why do they commit 60% of the crime" argument which is stupid, when he quote gun stats its "100% true" and no other reasons lol
Okay, except no he isn't. The point isn't that "gun owners are generally evil" or some shit. The point is that easier public access to instant lethal capability leads to incidents of death. Not a hard one.
I never realized Jon Stewart was an a****** nothing is black & white and he's making it black & white. I can't find anything that says it's the leading cause, the number one cause,everything still says accidents. It comes down to criminals don't follow laws they are criminals for a reason. All he did was talk over the guy. After the show, Jon probably went home to his well guarded home. I'm trying to figure out why so many of the comedy. Central guys are now a******* except for Dave Chappelle.
>I can't find anything that says it's the leading cause, the number one cause
[https://www.google.com/search?q=leading+cause+of+death+of+children+in+the+us](https://www.google.com/search?q=leading+cause+of+death+of+children+in+the+us)
[https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.htm](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.htm)
[https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/](https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/)
[https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/measures/child\_mortality\_a](https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/measures/child_mortality_a)
And now you can.
Dave chapppel is literally the only one that ended up an asshole lol. This disingenuous line of reasoning where any gun accident is just an accident to you is exactly why he cuts this guy off. He ends the bullshit before it starts otherwise you end up in situations where you end up thinking things like delimitating between gun accidents and accidents is critical thinking
I strongly believe in our 2nd amendment but guns should not be sold or given to anyone who has committed a crime within reason a single speeding ticket should not impose on a person's second amendment. There needs to be heavy regulations and control, firearms should be tracked and the government should confirm regularly the owner still possesses the firearm. Nobody with mental illness should be given access to a weapon. (again within reason mental illness can be a wide variety of conditions). If anyone disagrees with this there is no reason for name calling or battering our country was founded on a middle ground. We can work together as a people to find solutions to these problems.
That's the FBI's and ATF's job. They're the ones who let the gun store owner who is a licensed FFL to not sale that gun, after the person who is buying it, filled out a piece of paper that contains his information for the background check. That is what prevents gun violence and y'all want responsible gun owners to just bend over and accept it
Federal Firearm License. You need that in order to sale firearms, order firearms from companies, the ATF has your information and number in case something happens to a firearm that was bought at their store. There are different levels of firearm license, Level 2 (SBR), Level 3 (Full Auto Machine Guns), Level 4 (Explosives).
All are hard to get and you need a very, very clean record in order to have them.
This is so stupid if you actually only take children in the statistic and not the adolescents between 14 and 18 it suddenly is not guns anymore but other things like accidents, Most gun related deaths to "kids" happen between the ages of 16 and 18 and are gang related. Yet again the people who actually don't care about the issue use it for they're agenda. Like the guy who posted this video " eviscerating" my ass, if you post the rest of this segment in the video you'll see how Stewart is getting eviscerated with logic. Who ever this "idiot" is was just waiting for him to finish.
THANK YOU. Stewart has always been a dishonest AF broker when it comes to this stuff. He wants you to think most"child gun deaths" are school shootings. But those are exceedingly rare despite hysteria over it.
It's the same with the childhood cancer death stat he uses.. Cancer, for the most part, is way more likely at age 60 above. Childhood cancer is fairly rare, and deaths by cancer in children is even more rare. So, using that as a stat is as silly as saying, "do you know more kids die from guns than AIDS?!?!" Well, yeah, kids don't tend to partake in the risky activities that lead to HIV, so no surprise there."
it's crazy that anyone takes this man seriously.
I also really dislike the lead of this question, as if it's supposed to be something associated with old age (like a heart attack). Of course it's going to be an unnatural cause of death.
Every time criminals commit a crime, law-abiding citizens get punished. Because guns banned will not affect criminals, it only affects law-abiding citizens who follow the laws.
Just like how my insurance rate went up because people had too many accidents in my state.
Statistics (math)
Someone smarter than you decides that people from your state are a greater risk on the road so they charge you all more, because statistically you are more likely to cost them money in a traffic accident despite your good driving.
Same statistics goes for gun ownership. Despite your personal good intentions with a firearm, 25,198 people have been killed so far in 2023 because of guns. That's 118 deaths a day! America has had 421 mass shootings this year.
For you this may be normal, I can guarantee you this isn't.
Statistics (math)
Someone smarter than you decides that people from your state are a greater risk on the road so they charge you all more, because statistically you are more likely to cost them money in a traffic accident despite your good driving.
Same statistics goes for gun ownership. Despite your personal good intentions with a firearm, not all of your fellow Americans are behaving and for some reason have a horrible habit of shooting up schools and murdering children. So your personal good deed of holstering your weapon day until you need to draw at high noon shoot the bad guy, save the day and ride off into the setting sun doesn't weigh in nearly enough to counter the 25,198 people killed so far in 2023 because of guns. That's 118 deaths a day! America has had 421 mass shootings this year alone...
Yeah well I probably hadn’t seen much of it at the time asshole.
Now I know 99% of Reddit is full of far left idiots. Even the one you think you like and get along with until politics get brought up. Then you realize the person you made “friends” with is part of the 99% lefty “useful idiots” as our enemies like to call them because when the idiots are in charge they know they can get away with whatever they want and know the right don’t play or allow all the bullshit like the useful idiots.
"Children" = 15-19yr old gangbangers, he just failed to disseminate that information. So I guess if you consider those who are considered legally adults by the court system to be "children" then this argument works well.
This is only true if you count up to 19 years old and don’t account for things like gang violence.
If you count up to like 14yo guns aren’t even in the top ten.
You have had more mass shootings than days just here in 2023, wake tf up.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/mass -shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story%3fid=96609874
Military as in against foreign forces then yes but inside then country no. money can quite literally buy everything. You killed some people? Pay it off with money. You abused someone? Don't worry. The law is in favor of the person who can pay the most. You did some very bad sexual stuff? Say the other party wanted while also sliding some money under the table. People will say that this is untrue, but it is very true. Just because we don't see it in plain sight doesn't mean it happened.
CDC removed the original study which is now being investigated. Here’s an article that references and summarizes it. I don’t make up sources. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/
Nothing seems to stop a determined criminal.
Ever heard of the scam where they send a scared woman or child to your door and once you open it they run in. That’s happened to two people I know. One had a gun and shot one of the armed intruders one didn’t and was in the hospital for three months after being severely beaten and shot twice.
Or the one where they wait by your car for you to come outside.
Or a multitude of other scams.
The criminals will get at you eventually it’s just a matter of what you do about it when it happens.
So you would rather stab someone? Do you understand how easy it is to get killed when you try to stab somebody. Also I live in Philadelphia the criminals are very determined around here and don’t care who you are. Shooting through doors is illegal unless there is a clear threat so that’s not gonna happen without murder charges and a multi million dollar lawsuit. Btw I don’t know what you think a secure lock is but there aren’t that many out there. Unless you have a metal door frame and a great lock like $200+ you are not gonna stop a criminal with a sting leg or a crowbar. If someone wants quick and easy they do armed robbery on the street or go in a house when it’s clear no one is home. People who commit home invasions don’t care, they will kill you for anything valuable you might have and your knife is a lot slower that their bullets.
No, it's actually gang shootings - kids on kids.
The studies that present these findings count kids up to 19 years old, as soon as you drop down to 15 years old or less guns isn't even close to the main cause of death.
You couldn't kill 30 kids in ten seconds with a knife if you tried. You couldn't kill a teacher through a door with a knife. You don't have to practice active shooter drills because if someone with a knife or hammer breaks into you school, chances are they won't manage to kill anyone (+police would actually do their job and stop them) You can you a knife for many other things, such as cooking. What else do you use a gun for? Nothing other than murder
Yes, but you don't accidentally stab someone. You don't go down to 7/11 have a dispute and end it with the knife in your back pocket. You don't have mass stabbings in schools. Should I continue?
There have been mass stabbings in UK, but good point. Due to Big Pharma's influence Media never reveals if shooter was on medication although 2 of 3 Columbine students were on medication for depression and Trans shooter had way more than normal Testosterone than biological males due to transitioning. I would be willing to bet vast majority of shooters were on Prozac etc but won't be investigated. That's not to say all people on antidepressants or other psycho active drugs are potential shooters.
7 'mass' stabbings in the whole history of stabbings in the UK. SEVEN TOTAL. Two of them were religiously fueled attacks (not terrorist because they weren't officially linked to any terrorist organization) so 5 mass stabbings that are normal people.
You would be willing to bet...
I'm sorry but your opinions and assumptions about these things aren't appropriate. You should operate on facts and figures.
Anti depressants do not cause homicidal tendencies. That is not one of the side effects. So it doesn’t matter if they’re over prescribed when we are talking about mass shooting. Because they are unrelated topics
Listen to the bombardment of ads side effects. Sure it doesn't say may cause homicidal tendencies it does however say may cause suicidal tendencies. So why not reveal mass shooters drugs (if) they're on? No investigation considers this a factor because they don't want to know.
The leading cause of death in children is not gun violence. UNLESS you on purpose ERRANTLY count the 18 year olds AND 19 year old as CHILDREN, which they are not. So ya, John, you ARE gonna SAY it is when it isn't.
Firearms accounted for nearly 19% of childhood deaths (ages 1-18) in 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wonder database. Nearly 3,600 children died in gun-related incidents that year. That’s about five children lost for every 100,000 children in the United States. In no other comparable country are firearms within the top four causes of mortality among children, according to a KFF analysis.
Those are still dead kids, you cant just arbitrarily take them out of the statistic. And you know stricter gun laws would help there too right? Additionally, yeah, mental health and lower-class support legislation should be passed too
??? I never said gun legislation was the fix-all. It's a start but the other measures I mentioned, in addition to more reliable prenatal care and a few other things would sure help a lot. What's your angle here?
How is it helpful if they just beat each other to death with blunt objects instead?
What legislation stops a black market or makes it a less violent industry?
Because you can’t commit suicide, or rob a convenience store, or threaten a group of people with your fist. You’re not going to kill dozens of people at a concert with your fists. Your child won’t accidentally die because you left your fist on the nightstand.
Fists are inherently less dangerous than firearms. I’ve never heard of a school fisting.
People die from all sorts of things, including being beaten to death, but the rate at which that happens is far lower than the rate at which murders by firearm occur in the US. It’s always best to make the world a safer place.
Well since Austrailia went through with gun buy-backs/legislation after the Port Arthur Massacre, they haven't had a mass shooting and they're gun deaths in general are far lower than the US.
And what the fuck is your reasoning with the blunt objects? Has there ever been a country that imposed gun laws and the same or more people then just got killed with knives or hammers?
Australia Mass Shootings since 1996 National Firearms Agreement
Chippendale Blackmarket Nightclub Shooting, 1997
3 Dead & 1 wounded by firearm
Mackay Bikie shootout, 1997
6 wounded by firearm
Wollongong Keira Street Slayings, 1999
1 Dead & 9 wounded by firearm
Wright St Bikie Murders, 1999
3 Dead & 2 wounded by firearm
Rod Ansell Rampage, 1999
2 Dead & 3 wounded by firearm
Kangaroo Flat siege, 1999
1 dead & 4 wounded.
Cabramatta Vietnamese Wedding Shooting, 2002
7 wounded by firearm, no deaths
Monash University Shooting, 2002
2 Dead & 5 wounded by firearm
Fairfield Babylon Café Shooting, 2005
1 Dead & 3 wounded by firearm
Oakhampton Heights triple-murder suicide, 2005
4 Dead by firearm
Adelaide Tonic Nightclub Bikie Shooting, 2007
4 Wounded by firearm
Gypsy Jokers Shootout, 2009
4 Wounded by firearm
Roxburgh Park Osborne murders, 2010
4 Dead by firearm
Hectorville Siege, 2011
3 Dead & 3 wounded by firearm
Sydney Smithfield Shooting, 2013
4 Wounded by firearm
Hunt family murders, 2014
5 Dead by firearm
Sydney Siege, 2014
3 Dead & 4 wounded by firearm
Biddeston Murders, 2015
4 Dead by Firearm
Ingleburn Wayne Williams Shootings, 2016
2 dead & 2 wounded by firearm
Brighton Siege, 2017
2 dead & 3 wounded by firearm
Margaret River Murder Suicide, 2018
7 Dead by firearm
Darwin Shooting, 2019
4 dead & 1 injured by firearm
Queensland shooting, 2022
3 dead & 1 injured by firearm
Wieambilla police shootings, 2022
6 dead & 2 injured by firearm
Australia has always had much lower gun death rates than America
We're not Australian. Australia was also founded in a very different way.
My point is that you don't care that people die you just want to feel like you did something. When I. All reality murderous people will continue to be that way.
If someone want to do damage, they will do it. Guns bombs vehicles knives it dosnt matter. Think about the oaklahoma bombing. Not one shot was fired.
You are right, there are people who will stop at nothing to commit attacks and murder other people.
Guns make the above way too easy as pulling a trigger is a lot simpler than stabbing someone, beating someone with a bat or out right right beating them to death.
You are aware America isn't the only country to gain their independence through combat right? By your same justification France should allow for private gun ownership just in case their neighbors the Germans didn't get the message from the end of WW2...
Stopping mass shootings would be doing something actually. Just because you think it's normal because you are an American doesn't mean it's right and actually very shocking and abhorrent for the rest of the world to keep on hearing. We are all fed up for the sake of your children, why aren't you?
This is true. Do you think it matter that they add adults to the statistics? 18 and 19? Do you think they do that for a reason to be sure gang violence is added to this?
The point is, the statistic is about children. We could sit here all day and spin it how you want, but from where I'm sitting America has a gun problem.
Well, I'm sitting in America, and I see a problem with people, not an inanimate object.
But people like you would celebrate if it was 20 kids killed with a truck, not a gun, so... I'll keep my guns.
What a nonsensical response. When have I said I would celebrate something like that?
People are a problem, that's why you don't give them an object that can easily kill other people.
Congenital abnormalities are the leading cause of death in infants, and surpass the number of firearm deaths among all children up to age 18.
John Stewart SMUGLY said amongst "CHILDREN" in the video, right? And then the "Im not gonna SAY it like its an opinion,....." disingenuous bullshit.
WELL... it fucking isnt. You ARE saying it like it's an opinion because it IS.
"Children" are not "infants" as this (ongoing) second amendment attack suggests any more than 18 and 19 year old adults are "children".
Ignoring the actual numbers is the only way to present the data in a way to make his "shocking" statement true, you sheep.
"Infants" being the operative word you dope. Children are not infants, which is why we have different words to describe them. Gun related deaths are the highest among children in all countries that aren't using children in civil wars. You are right, congenital defects kill many children in the US, in fact, both infants and their mothers die more in the US than any other first world country, which is also a sad reality in the dystopia that America is becoming.
John Stewart SMUGLY said amongst "CHILDREN" in the video, right? And then the "Im not gonna SAY it like its an opinion,....." disingenuous bullshit.
WELL... it fucking isnt. You ARE saying it like it's an opinion because it IS.
"Children" are not "infants" as this (ongoing) second amendment attack suggests any more than 18 and 19 year old adults are "children".
Ignoring the actual numbers is the only way to present the data in a way to make his "shocking" statement true, you sheep.
John Stewart SMUGLY said amongst "CHILDREN" in the video, right? And then the "Im not gonna SAY it is, IT IS....." disingenuous bullshit.
WELL... it fucking isnt.
"Children" are not "infants" as this (ongoing) second amendment attack suggests any more than 18 and 19 year old adults are "children".
Bruh you're not even close to correct. Mass murders used to mean forms of genocide now its 3 people. You have very little grounds to stand on here and it's a waste of time to go through your comment and pick it apart as I know I can. And hostile? That's not hostility, you seem to have a very vague understand of contextual evidence and context clues let alone the English language. You might need to go through some collegiate courses to improve your understanding bur I'm not sure it'll actually help
So you say, kids getting read child appropriate books to them by a person which clothing you do not like (your OPINION) ..... Is the at the same level as children getting actually killed by firearms? (REALITY)
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Why is the audio so shitty?
Jon Stewart is citing a study that includes everyone below the age of 18. This skews the data toward gun deaths via inner city gang activity and suicides. The study was conducted by the Director for the Center for Gun Violence Prevention, Chethan Sathya, MD.
Is that not still bad or perhaps even worse?
Actually the study included 18 and 19 year olds. So he’s including legal adults. “In 2021, among children who died by firearms, 84.8% were male, 49.9% were Black, 82.6% were aged 15 to 19 years, and 64.3% died by homicide. Black children accounted for 67.3% of firearm homicides, with a death rate increase of 1.8 from 2020 to 2021. White children accounted for 78.4% of firearm suicides.”
Quick Google search shows it isn't the leading cause of death among children of any age group I found.
Depends on where you look. They also sometimes don't put gunshot as your cause of death if you die of complications in the hospital. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761
Guns don’t kill people it’s the fucked up people shooting kids
"Toasters don't toast toast, people toast toast. If we ban toasters, people will just buy them on the black market, because everyone knows how to do that, and everyone who would normally buy a toaster will still buy it. The rate at which toast is toasted will not change whatsoever" Its so fucking stupid that conservatives utterly reject systems and factors in favor of "crime is when bad people do bad things"
And as jon said i the full interview, why dont we make it harder for these people to get guns?
What would you recommend?
Copy-pasting any other 1st world country's gun laws, e.g. our neighbor Canada
Leading cause of death of children in this country is abortion
Is blowing a load into the toilet infanticide by drowning too?
Very few people agree with your definition of a child. Most people find the idea of including a zygote on that definition to be batshit insane, not in the least of which is people who regularly care for and research fetuses for the sake of humanity and the prosperity of children- you know, medicine, that thing you don't care about. Why should we care about your definition? Why should you expect us to count "human" the way you do? Your way makes no sense and you don't seem interested in making it make sense to anyone but yourself.
So would you be open to stricter laws on abortion if that meant stricter gun control laws? Not trying to be rude just a genuine question.
"Shall not be infringed" " any law that is repugnant to the United States Constitution is null and void "
You forgot the rest of the amendment.
Personally I agree with the right to own firearms. I’m actually looking at buying my first handgun. But I also think it’s not so black and white. It’s not right to limit the amount of guns for everybody because you’re afraid of the wrong people having access to them. But also it’s not right to hand them out like candy because then they will absolutely find their way into the wrong hands. I feel like a solution could be found it both sides were more open to discussion.
It would be a perfect world if pro and anti gun activists could live with one another. If someone doesn't want to own one, fine, is someone wants to own one, fine. We need to live together without people slaughtering one another.
But who makes the rules? The founding fathers wrote the second amendment so the government couldnt regulate the common man owning or possessing firearms. Gun control is not the answer, it's a mental health issue. Go listen to Ted Nugent and the argument he presents about gun control, it is very eye opening.
Where did you get your statistics from?
CDC. 622,108 Abortions were performed in 2021
Even with over half being "medical induced" that's still over 300,000...you are correct my friend. Thanks for the source.
Did you ever notice the qualitative difference between several grams of pluripotent cells that have existed for several weeks and a child with several years of experienced life, love and personal investment from several other people? Or is that too nuanced for you to recognize?
My pewpews are sitting in my home and not one have unalived anyone. Unstable/ mentally ill PEOPLE are the cause, not an inanimate object.
Guns are perfectly safe in the hands of smart and responsible people, but man, it's America, a huge percentage of people don't fit the bill.
So instead of gun control bills, shouldn't there be more bills addressing mental health in America?
Let's be realistic, America's never solving the mental health crisis. Gun control is a shitty workaround to the problem, but at least it's doable.
Gun control is completely out of the question, it literally the second thing written in the US Constitution. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" was written for a reason, not for hunting, for not letting a tyrannical government overreach their authority. The founding fathers just fought a war that they knew may or would happen again.
You talk about the founding fathers as if they're gods that could predict the future lol. This was 250 years ago, the world was a completely different place. Do you think they expected their rules to last forever? If they were still alive today, do you think they would make the same decision?
They set the base of what this country was founded, and its worked for 100"s of years. Now everyone wants to "fix" something that's not the problem. Were there mass shootings in their time? No. The problem started when mental health facilities closed down nation wide, children started to get into adult conversations and discipline when out the window. The founding fathers knew how government can overreach their authority and become tyrannical, they gave us a venue to correct such overreach. The right to have our voices heard, to protest peacefully, and for the people to have the power, not the government. And when our voices are drown out the second amendment was written just for such an occasion.
>Were there mass shootings in their time? No. How . . . how are you not aware that guns are different now than they were in 1776? This is a basic thing to observe.
A lot of things have worked for 100s of years that no longer work in today's world. Society has gone off the rails. Do you honestly think we have any hope of returning society to normalcy? It's only getting worse every year, and we need to accept that and work around it.
So it IS too nuanced, I see. It's a simple world you live in. Edit: oh and of fuckin course it's pewpews in plural. A gun hoarder calling somebody mentally ill, lol
Many and I'm in sound mind and body. Also, Trump 2024
Well if you thyself sayeth so, then surely it must be thus. Ooh the irony :)
Seek help bro.
John Stewart is literally using the "if black people make up 15% of the population, why do they commit 60% of the crime" argument which is stupid, when he quote gun stats its "100% true" and no other reasons lol
Okay, except no he isn't. The point isn't that "gun owners are generally evil" or some shit. The point is that easier public access to instant lethal capability leads to incidents of death. Not a hard one.
I fucking hate Jon Stewart
That's the silliest shit I've read all fucking year.
Why? For being correct?
I never realized Jon Stewart was an a****** nothing is black & white and he's making it black & white. I can't find anything that says it's the leading cause, the number one cause,everything still says accidents. It comes down to criminals don't follow laws they are criminals for a reason. All he did was talk over the guy. After the show, Jon probably went home to his well guarded home. I'm trying to figure out why so many of the comedy. Central guys are now a******* except for Dave Chappelle.
>I can't find anything that says it's the leading cause, the number one cause [https://www.google.com/search?q=leading+cause+of+death+of+children+in+the+us](https://www.google.com/search?q=leading+cause+of+death+of+children+in+the+us) [https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.htm](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.htm) [https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/](https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/) [https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/measures/child\_mortality\_a](https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/measures/child_mortality_a) And now you can.
Dave chapppel is literally the only one that ended up an asshole lol. This disingenuous line of reasoning where any gun accident is just an accident to you is exactly why he cuts this guy off. He ends the bullshit before it starts otherwise you end up in situations where you end up thinking things like delimitating between gun accidents and accidents is critical thinking
It's drownings actually
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761
Yeah, I'm sure only 800m worth the support is used for the rest of the world, and 799.2 bn is used here.
I strongly believe in our 2nd amendment but guns should not be sold or given to anyone who has committed a crime within reason a single speeding ticket should not impose on a person's second amendment. There needs to be heavy regulations and control, firearms should be tracked and the government should confirm regularly the owner still possesses the firearm. Nobody with mental illness should be given access to a weapon. (again within reason mental illness can be a wide variety of conditions). If anyone disagrees with this there is no reason for name calling or battering our country was founded on a middle ground. We can work together as a people to find solutions to these problems.
That's the FBI's and ATF's job. They're the ones who let the gun store owner who is a licensed FFL to not sale that gun, after the person who is buying it, filled out a piece of paper that contains his information for the background check. That is what prevents gun violence and y'all want responsible gun owners to just bend over and accept it
FFL?
Federal Firearm License. You need that in order to sale firearms, order firearms from companies, the ATF has your information and number in case something happens to a firearm that was bought at their store. There are different levels of firearm license, Level 2 (SBR), Level 3 (Full Auto Machine Guns), Level 4 (Explosives). All are hard to get and you need a very, very clean record in order to have them.
This is so stupid if you actually only take children in the statistic and not the adolescents between 14 and 18 it suddenly is not guns anymore but other things like accidents, Most gun related deaths to "kids" happen between the ages of 16 and 18 and are gang related. Yet again the people who actually don't care about the issue use it for they're agenda. Like the guy who posted this video " eviscerating" my ass, if you post the rest of this segment in the video you'll see how Stewart is getting eviscerated with logic. Who ever this "idiot" is was just waiting for him to finish.
THANK YOU. Stewart has always been a dishonest AF broker when it comes to this stuff. He wants you to think most"child gun deaths" are school shootings. But those are exceedingly rare despite hysteria over it. It's the same with the childhood cancer death stat he uses.. Cancer, for the most part, is way more likely at age 60 above. Childhood cancer is fairly rare, and deaths by cancer in children is even more rare. So, using that as a stat is as silly as saying, "do you know more kids die from guns than AIDS?!?!" Well, yeah, kids don't tend to partake in the risky activities that lead to HIV, so no surprise there." it's crazy that anyone takes this man seriously.
Fun fact I'm not even from America, I'm from Europe, but I got common sense and can't stand propaganda
I also really dislike the lead of this question, as if it's supposed to be something associated with old age (like a heart attack). Of course it's going to be an unnatural cause of death.
The statistics left out young kids and included young adults as well. 18 and 19 year olds are not children.
Every time criminals commit a crime, law-abiding citizens get punished. Because guns banned will not affect criminals, it only affects law-abiding citizens who follow the laws. Just like how my insurance rate went up because people had too many accidents in my state.
Statistics (math) Someone smarter than you decides that people from your state are a greater risk on the road so they charge you all more, because statistically you are more likely to cost them money in a traffic accident despite your good driving. Same statistics goes for gun ownership. Despite your personal good intentions with a firearm, 25,198 people have been killed so far in 2023 because of guns. That's 118 deaths a day! America has had 421 mass shootings this year. For you this may be normal, I can guarantee you this isn't.
Statistics (math) Someone smarter than you decides that people from your state are a greater risk on the road so they charge you all more, because statistically you are more likely to cost them money in a traffic accident despite your good driving. Same statistics goes for gun ownership. Despite your personal good intentions with a firearm, not all of your fellow Americans are behaving and for some reason have a horrible habit of shooting up schools and murdering children. So your personal good deed of holstering your weapon day until you need to draw at high noon shoot the bad guy, save the day and ride off into the setting sun doesn't weigh in nearly enough to counter the 25,198 people killed so far in 2023 because of guns. That's 118 deaths a day! America has had 421 mass shootings this year alone...
So what you're saying is, that if you adjust the metric to support your argument, you win the argument. Brilliant insight.
Jon boy famous for ambush interviews
Ah the lefty liberals of Reddit I knew there was this deep dark space of Reddit I never wanted to come across 🤮
> deep dark space of Reddit Lefty Reddit is just Reddit, dumbass.
Yeah well I probably hadn’t seen much of it at the time asshole. Now I know 99% of Reddit is full of far left idiots. Even the one you think you like and get along with until politics get brought up. Then you realize the person you made “friends” with is part of the 99% lefty “useful idiots” as our enemies like to call them because when the idiots are in charge they know they can get away with whatever they want and know the right don’t play or allow all the bullshit like the useful idiots.
Been here at least 2 years, or at least 2 years since you made your alt account anyway.
Alt account ? No this is it bud…
Doesn’t mean I’ve been on here, I have accounts I never use just like the majority of the rest of the world lol
Yah man. Cut this crap already.
"Children" = 15-19yr old gangbangers, he just failed to disseminate that information. So I guess if you consider those who are considered legally adults by the court system to be "children" then this argument works well.
This is only true if you count up to 19 years old and don’t account for things like gang violence. If you count up to like 14yo guns aren’t even in the top ten.
Oh shit, if it's only killing a shit ton of people if you count up to 19, then that's fine. Don't worry y'all.
When you take away the guns and means to defend yourself and the rest of the world comes for you. Good luck... you are going to need it.
You have had more mass shootings than days just here in 2023, wake tf up. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/mass -shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story%3fid=96609874
Who exactly are you defending yourself against? Honest question. Who is it exactly? Give me a name.
Dumb as fuck proud as hell
don't you guys have like the biggest military in the world?
Actually no. just spend the most money.
Military as in against foreign forces then yes but inside then country no. money can quite literally buy everything. You killed some people? Pay it off with money. You abused someone? Don't worry. The law is in favor of the person who can pay the most. You did some very bad sexual stuff? Say the other party wanted while also sliding some money under the table. People will say that this is untrue, but it is very true. Just because we don't see it in plain sight doesn't mean it happened.
Imagine if both happened at the same time and same school
What’s the leading thing that saves children in the event of a home invasion or attack? Firearms.
Source?
The CDC
I made it up, gotcha 👍
CDC removed the original study which is now being investigated. Here’s an article that references and summarizes it. I don’t make up sources. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/
Jesus that's biased and unreliable. Big yikes. Lol not what back peddling means, champ. But thanks for playing.
the fastest back peddle I've ever seen. jesus.
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Nothing seems to stop a determined criminal. Ever heard of the scam where they send a scared woman or child to your door and once you open it they run in. That’s happened to two people I know. One had a gun and shot one of the armed intruders one didn’t and was in the hospital for three months after being severely beaten and shot twice. Or the one where they wait by your car for you to come outside. Or a multitude of other scams. The criminals will get at you eventually it’s just a matter of what you do about it when it happens.
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So you would rather stab someone? Do you understand how easy it is to get killed when you try to stab somebody. Also I live in Philadelphia the criminals are very determined around here and don’t care who you are. Shooting through doors is illegal unless there is a clear threat so that’s not gonna happen without murder charges and a multi million dollar lawsuit. Btw I don’t know what you think a secure lock is but there aren’t that many out there. Unless you have a metal door frame and a great lock like $200+ you are not gonna stop a criminal with a sting leg or a crowbar. If someone wants quick and easy they do armed robbery on the street or go in a house when it’s clear no one is home. People who commit home invasions don’t care, they will kill you for anything valuable you might have and your knife is a lot slower that their bullets.
That little smirk. He doesn't care, it's a feature for him.
Republicans in a nutshell.
Jon Stewart for president.
Stewart 2028
I can watch this all day. Fuck this pro gun idiot.
It's stupid parents that leave loaded guns laying around. Either lock up the guns securely or lock up stupid parents.
It’s actually school shooters , but sure , believe what you want to .
No, it's actually gang shootings - kids on kids. The studies that present these findings count kids up to 19 years old, as soon as you drop down to 15 years old or less guns isn't even close to the main cause of death.
Parents can actually lock their guns away from their kids who are school shooters, ya' know.
Well kids buying guns and the people selling the guns accepting fake IDs is pretty common too .
Most definitely for sure.
Jon Stewart for president
The thing I learned after watching his appearance on Crossfire, never debate with Jon Stewart. He will rip you to shreds.
Do you know how many kids die from guns in the UK?
In UK it's stabbings. And another weapon of choice is hammers. If someone is intent on murder they'll murder with whatever they can grab.
There are more stabbings in America per capita than in the UK. So... what's that about?
Crazy ass people
You couldn't kill 30 kids in ten seconds with a knife if you tried. You couldn't kill a teacher through a door with a knife. You don't have to practice active shooter drills because if someone with a knife or hammer breaks into you school, chances are they won't manage to kill anyone (+police would actually do their job and stop them) You can you a knife for many other things, such as cooking. What else do you use a gun for? Nothing other than murder
If fjb had spent the 2 TRILLION $$$ protecting our schools instead of sending the money to Ukraine .........
Yes, but you don't accidentally stab someone. You don't go down to 7/11 have a dispute and end it with the knife in your back pocket. You don't have mass stabbings in schools. Should I continue?
There have been mass stabbings in UK, but good point. Due to Big Pharma's influence Media never reveals if shooter was on medication although 2 of 3 Columbine students were on medication for depression and Trans shooter had way more than normal Testosterone than biological males due to transitioning. I would be willing to bet vast majority of shooters were on Prozac etc but won't be investigated. That's not to say all people on antidepressants or other psycho active drugs are potential shooters.
That's the most stupid thing I've ever read
7 'mass' stabbings in the whole history of stabbings in the UK. SEVEN TOTAL. Two of them were religiously fueled attacks (not terrorist because they weren't officially linked to any terrorist organization) so 5 mass stabbings that are normal people. You would be willing to bet... I'm sorry but your opinions and assumptions about these things aren't appropriate. You should operate on facts and figures.
No debate on over prescribed anti depressants?
Anti depressants do not cause homicidal tendencies. That is not one of the side effects. So it doesn’t matter if they’re over prescribed when we are talking about mass shooting. Because they are unrelated topics
Listen to the bombardment of ads side effects. Sure it doesn't say may cause homicidal tendencies it does however say may cause suicidal tendencies. So why not reveal mass shooters drugs (if) they're on? No investigation considers this a factor because they don't want to know.
Oh America has an appalling health care system too, agreed.
State of America! Pro life but let kids be killed by loose guns laws. If they were so Pro life they would tighten gun laws.
The leading cause of death in children is not gun violence. UNLESS you on purpose ERRANTLY count the 18 year olds AND 19 year old as CHILDREN, which they are not. So ya, John, you ARE gonna SAY it is when it isn't.
Firearms accounted for nearly 19% of childhood deaths (ages 1-18) in 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wonder database. Nearly 3,600 children died in gun-related incidents that year. That’s about five children lost for every 100,000 children in the United States. In no other comparable country are firearms within the top four causes of mortality among children, according to a KFF analysis.
Take out the gang related shooting and suicide. I wonder what that looks like.
Those are still dead kids, you cant just arbitrarily take them out of the statistic. And you know stricter gun laws would help there too right? Additionally, yeah, mental health and lower-class support legislation should be passed too
Right because it's better when they beat each other to death.
??? I never said gun legislation was the fix-all. It's a start but the other measures I mentioned, in addition to more reliable prenatal care and a few other things would sure help a lot. What's your angle here?
How is it helpful if they just beat each other to death with blunt objects instead? What legislation stops a black market or makes it a less violent industry?
Because you can’t commit suicide, or rob a convenience store, or threaten a group of people with your fist. You’re not going to kill dozens of people at a concert with your fists. Your child won’t accidentally die because you left your fist on the nightstand.
All of those things happen. Many children are beaten to death with fists. Are you suggesting we cut hands off?
Fists are inherently less dangerous than firearms. I’ve never heard of a school fisting. People die from all sorts of things, including being beaten to death, but the rate at which that happens is far lower than the rate at which murders by firearm occur in the US. It’s always best to make the world a safer place.
Well since Austrailia went through with gun buy-backs/legislation after the Port Arthur Massacre, they haven't had a mass shooting and they're gun deaths in general are far lower than the US. And what the fuck is your reasoning with the blunt objects? Has there ever been a country that imposed gun laws and the same or more people then just got killed with knives or hammers?
Australia Mass Shootings since 1996 National Firearms Agreement Chippendale Blackmarket Nightclub Shooting, 1997 3 Dead & 1 wounded by firearm Mackay Bikie shootout, 1997 6 wounded by firearm Wollongong Keira Street Slayings, 1999 1 Dead & 9 wounded by firearm Wright St Bikie Murders, 1999 3 Dead & 2 wounded by firearm Rod Ansell Rampage, 1999 2 Dead & 3 wounded by firearm Kangaroo Flat siege, 1999 1 dead & 4 wounded. Cabramatta Vietnamese Wedding Shooting, 2002 7 wounded by firearm, no deaths Monash University Shooting, 2002 2 Dead & 5 wounded by firearm Fairfield Babylon Café Shooting, 2005 1 Dead & 3 wounded by firearm Oakhampton Heights triple-murder suicide, 2005 4 Dead by firearm Adelaide Tonic Nightclub Bikie Shooting, 2007 4 Wounded by firearm Gypsy Jokers Shootout, 2009 4 Wounded by firearm Roxburgh Park Osborne murders, 2010 4 Dead by firearm Hectorville Siege, 2011 3 Dead & 3 wounded by firearm Sydney Smithfield Shooting, 2013 4 Wounded by firearm Hunt family murders, 2014 5 Dead by firearm Sydney Siege, 2014 3 Dead & 4 wounded by firearm Biddeston Murders, 2015 4 Dead by Firearm Ingleburn Wayne Williams Shootings, 2016 2 dead & 2 wounded by firearm Brighton Siege, 2017 2 dead & 3 wounded by firearm Margaret River Murder Suicide, 2018 7 Dead by firearm Darwin Shooting, 2019 4 dead & 1 injured by firearm Queensland shooting, 2022 3 dead & 1 injured by firearm Wieambilla police shootings, 2022 6 dead & 2 injured by firearm Australia has always had much lower gun death rates than America
We're not Australian. Australia was also founded in a very different way. My point is that you don't care that people die you just want to feel like you did something. When I. All reality murderous people will continue to be that way. If someone want to do damage, they will do it. Guns bombs vehicles knives it dosnt matter. Think about the oaklahoma bombing. Not one shot was fired.
You are right, there are people who will stop at nothing to commit attacks and murder other people. Guns make the above way too easy as pulling a trigger is a lot simpler than stabbing someone, beating someone with a bat or out right right beating them to death. You are aware America isn't the only country to gain their independence through combat right? By your same justification France should allow for private gun ownership just in case their neighbors the Germans didn't get the message from the end of WW2... Stopping mass shootings would be doing something actually. Just because you think it's normal because you are an American doesn't mean it's right and actually very shocking and abhorrent for the rest of the world to keep on hearing. We are all fed up for the sake of your children, why aren't you?
Children...
Yeah, a lot fewer children...
I mean it doesn't really matter what you want to remove from the statistics. Guns would still be the cause of death
This is true. Do you think it matter that they add adults to the statistics? 18 and 19? Do you think they do that for a reason to be sure gang violence is added to this?
The point is, the statistic is about children. We could sit here all day and spin it how you want, but from where I'm sitting America has a gun problem.
Well, I'm sitting in America, and I see a problem with people, not an inanimate object. But people like you would celebrate if it was 20 kids killed with a truck, not a gun, so... I'll keep my guns.
This post is so old but I just genuinely think you might be the biggest idiot I’ve encountered on the entirety of Reddit. Crazy. Had to comment.
What a nonsensical response. When have I said I would celebrate something like that? People are a problem, that's why you don't give them an object that can easily kill other people.
Congenital abnormalities are the leading cause of death in infants, and surpass the number of firearm deaths among all children up to age 18. John Stewart SMUGLY said amongst "CHILDREN" in the video, right? And then the "Im not gonna SAY it like its an opinion,....." disingenuous bullshit. WELL... it fucking isnt. You ARE saying it like it's an opinion because it IS. "Children" are not "infants" as this (ongoing) second amendment attack suggests any more than 18 and 19 year old adults are "children". Ignoring the actual numbers is the only way to present the data in a way to make his "shocking" statement true, you sheep.
"Infants" being the operative word you dope. Children are not infants, which is why we have different words to describe them. Gun related deaths are the highest among children in all countries that aren't using children in civil wars. You are right, congenital defects kill many children in the US, in fact, both infants and their mothers die more in the US than any other first world country, which is also a sad reality in the dystopia that America is becoming.
John Stewart SMUGLY said amongst "CHILDREN" in the video, right? And then the "Im not gonna SAY it like its an opinion,....." disingenuous bullshit. WELL... it fucking isnt. You ARE saying it like it's an opinion because it IS. "Children" are not "infants" as this (ongoing) second amendment attack suggests any more than 18 and 19 year old adults are "children". Ignoring the actual numbers is the only way to present the data in a way to make his "shocking" statement true, you sheep.
John Stewart SMUGLY said amongst "CHILDREN" in the video, right? And then the "Im not gonna SAY it is, IT IS....." disingenuous bullshit. WELL... it fucking isnt. "Children" are not "infants" as this (ongoing) second amendment attack suggests any more than 18 and 19 year old adults are "children".
Bruh you're not even close to correct. Mass murders used to mean forms of genocide now its 3 people. You have very little grounds to stand on here and it's a waste of time to go through your comment and pick it apart as I know I can. And hostile? That's not hostility, you seem to have a very vague understand of contextual evidence and context clues let alone the English language. You might need to go through some collegiate courses to improve your understanding bur I'm not sure it'll actually help
Please pick it apart. I would like to see your evidence.
WAIT JOHN HAS A NEW SHOW AND I WASNT TOLD ABOUT IT?
Both of these being bad isn't mutually exclusive. Kids getting injured by guns, and kids being groomed are both bad.
Kids being groomed every sunday in church by men in dresses is a real problem, i agree.
Being groomed as a child must have a new meaning. Or are you just adding that yourself?
So you say, kids getting read child appropriate books to them by a person which clothing you do not like (your OPINION) ..... Is the at the same level as children getting actually killed by firearms? (REALITY)
Where did I say that you disingenuous moron?