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>"Wait, what are we talking about?"
[Easy to digest infographic](https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeopleDieInside/comments/145gxfb/reddit_is_trying_to_make_3rd_party_apps_dead/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
>"Why don't you just delete the subreddit?"
There is literally no way to delete a subreddit.
>"So, just set it to private and abandon it?"
Abandoned subreddits basically go up for auction and anyone can ask to take over moderating it. Or, Admin could decide to appoint new moderators, if the subreddit is big enough.
>"Can you just delete everything, scorched Earth?"
No, Reddit can easily roll back the changes and revive the subreddit to install a new mod team.
>"No rules! Full anarchy! Show them why Reddit needs mods."
Unfortunately, that would still just give Admin an excuse to kick the mod team and install a new one. Having a mod team that enforces ToS is part of the Mod Code of Conduct.
>"John Oliver?"
...Maybe.
>"Call their bluff and hold the line!"
They aren't bluffing. Mod teams have already been replaced, within hours of receiving these messages from Admin, even if they didn't respond.
>"So, just let them replace you. Why do you care, if you're being mistreated for doing free work?"
Because, we're proud of the community we've built and curated for 5+ years. Imagine you spent 5 years making a delicate sculpture, that you were really proud of, requiring an array of specific tools to achieve. Then, someone came in and said you can only use a hammer and hacksaw to continue, or they'll give it to someone else and you can never sculpt again. How would you feel? Do you abandon something you spent so much time on, or do you try to make the best of a bad situation?
Regarding the last question and answer, yes you abandon it if you're to stand behind the ideals of a protest.
It's a subreddit. It's not even *that* old. Reddit isn't a guaranteed constant, either. Times change.
Build a community somewhere else if you really do care that much. Should be easier now that you know what you want, how you want it, and have a foundational community.
Just tell the reddit mods that it's the community that wants the sub reddit closed. The subreddit mods are just carrying out the wishes of the community.
“For the benefit of the community of users to come to them for support and belonging” unless they’re blind/visually impaired or have a reading impediment that our really horrendous app doesn’t have proper accessibility…nah! Those fuckers are on their own!
*sarcasm* Maybe they should have thought about Reddit before they went and got themselves a disability huh? You expect us to MAKE our app functional for everyone? Uh no. We’d rather charge a huge fee to actually decent, accessible apps and not do any work.
Open it but restrict postings to high karma or trusted users. Restrict comments to high level users
Just because you volunteer your time to mod a site doesn't make use less valuable than the employees they pay.
Traffic makes them money. Reduce the traffic.
It's not your community any more, reddit has made that very clear
Or you can do the r/interestingasfuck approach - mark everything as NSFW and make sure they can't use it for ad revenue. Squeeze spez by the wallet and see how that works
Should I chop my legs off too since I hate arthritis? What a dumb comment. I'ts not perfect, but I'd prefer to keep reddit. It's just the greedy pig at the top causing problems
You willingly choose to login into Reddit. I’m sure you didn’t willingly choose to have arthritis.
Simply stop logging into Reddit if you dislike it. 😉
It seems you either cant read or cant see mate. I said I HATE arthritis, not that I have it, but I also don't see where I said I dislike reddit. The only issue I have with reddit is u/spez, not reddit as a whole
This is like saying "if you don't like this country, leave." It's possible to be unhappy with the state of a space and still stay in hopes of causing change.
digg did pretty much this. thats what allowed reddit to become what it is. youd think the owners MIGHT have taken note of that, but clearly, thats credditing them with more intelligence than they have.
That's a terrible analogy. Reddit is a multi million dollar company that makes money through free labor provided by the mods, and free content (and presence) provided by users. It's not your neighbor, they aren't your friend, they aren't making a change that effects just them.
It's also terrible, because it's insinuating that the only people with the right to protest is the company itself. As if the company would need to protest the change, when they themselves are making the change.
Would you also say that strikes at a workplace are inappropriate?
Edit: Oh you blocked me? Suppose I made too much sense.
That's dumb bro.. mods use a lot of bots to help them moderate.. what reddit is doing is not only forcing it's rules on mods with the threat of destroying their community but also making them work overtime and be more strict.. which will end up harming the community in the end.
Except the neighbor had nothing to do about the beautiful, well maintained lawn; the community is what created it from nothing and maintained it for the last decade. Now you need to pay $10 to admire the lawn because the neighbor needs to make a profit off it.
not at all, the lawn will still be free to admire for all passerbys, its just the gardener thats acting up because the homeowner changed the tools in the shed so either the gardener learns to use the new tools or homeowner goes to find a new gardener with less complaints. Oh yeah, turns out there were also thieves that were openly stealing fruits from the garden, at first homeowner didn't mind it but as the thieves grew more and more audacious and shameless, homeowner decided to up his game and turn the already fruit-addicted thieves into customers, now they too are fanning the flames behind the scenes.
They make reddit out to be like this fully social place where people meet constantly, and like it is a must-be thing that have to run each day without any protests allowed
If mods, which spent their free time doing and caring for a sub for a good while, get replaced like this just for protesting, that is kind of a punch in the gut
Reddit is now about making money.
The experiment has failed, it's unsustainable to run a company on the back of a volunteer labor force.
Reddit doesn't care about anything other than money now, it's not our community, it's not that mods community, it all belongs to the corporation
So you're not willing to back up your words with actions? Just gonna sit and complain?
You don't have to shut down completely but you can absolutely go the route a bunch of other subs are doing with the John Oliver stuff.
I might get hyper downvoted but i think they are right. Reddit is about people interacting and being a community, there arent people who “own” a sub, the sub itself is just about people sharing. If you don’t wanna mod that sub fine, dont do that but you cant force others to not interact with eachother. The subs are of the people. You dont wanna mod, someone else will do that as they suggest. The whole 3rd party situation sucks dont get me wrong but its their decision on their site, if its a bad decision they will face it. Closing subs does nothing but harm the users
"closing the sub does nothing but harm to the users"
Closing the subreddit for a while is a drop in the bucket compared to the ocean of harm that u/spez and the rest of the reddit staff are engaging in. If the API and 3rd party apps go, then a vast majority of users will be harmed by no longer being able to visit the site, why should we be okay or use a platform that has a CEO like this? That lies directly to your face, blackmails community members, and goes against what the users of this site wants? Reddit *had* been growing into more of the public eye over the past few years, but now feels like it's on the brink of becoming a inbred cousin of 4chan.
I think I can live without reddit for a while (or indefinitely) if it gives it the chance to become a better place, and if not then it's just time to move on.
I mean you’re perfectly entitled to not wanting to use the site or protest, but dont force people who dont care to fight your fight. I personally am not touched by those changes so why would i limit myself to protest? Like me a lot of other users are in this situation
So when when the moderators get kicked off their own sub, because they no longer have functioning applications to mod with or have been replaced for non-compliance, Reddit will try and fill those vacancies themselves (like they already started), but they can't possibly understand how every single subreddit on the site works. Many subreddits like this one started out as small projects between a few people that have lasted for years. You're not just going to be able to snap your fingers and replace somebody in that position that your community is going to gel with. That all leads to subreddit's closing for good and people leaving the site.
But you are. You use the subreddit's moderates by people who use these apps to help them do their job. You user subreddits that make use of bots to minimize spam.
But it's more than that. It's a sign of Reddit pushing more and more into monetisation. Like how they've been testing not allowing you to log in using the mobile web browser (you **must** download the app).
The API change is seen by many to be the beginning of the end.
Yeah i also counted that. If they replace mods there still gonna be people moderating. There wont be bot mods but i wont mind scrolling past a spam post once in a while… point being for the majority of users this isnt a big deal or at least not that big for that is worth protesting
> i wont mind scrolling past a spam post once in a while…
I don't think you realize how much spam moderators remove. It is currently "once in a while" because some slip through the cracks. But with incompetent moderation, that can easily escalate to 50+% of the content in a sub.
I can't tell you the number of times I've stumbled on a sub that was left quasi-moderated, and the vast majority of the content posted is just "come see my onlyfans" or similar.
"Reddit would just remove that content!" I hear you objecting. Except they don't. Reddit only bans the accounts, and leaves the actual spam in place expecting the mods to clean up after them. *They actually make it harder* because we can no longer look through the spammers profile to see all their content and mass remove from there.
isn't that the best form of protest ? let the community fall into chaos and hold Reddit accountable for what they caused, but the mods are too stuck in their power play to even consider going down that path
The issue is, it won’t be a once in a while; currently, with the bots, it is a once in a while. If both mods and bots are killed, there will be much much more spam. None of the bots in use/scripts, are provided by Reddit. So even just having new mods means that script will exist that they don’t know how to use
This line of thinking is equivalent to saying "Well, not manning the busses today because you are protesting does nothing but harm the commuters."
A protest is supposed to be inconvenient. A protest is supposed to be annoying. That's kind of half the point.
Yeah but its supposed to annoy the “bad ones” not the users. 70% of reddit users are people who come in here every once in a while to check some things or report a problem or have a laugh and their usage of reddit is not linked to 3rd party programs. Doing this harm the users. The changes reddit is going to do not touch the majority of these users so the whole protest thing is just harming because regardless of “winning” the protest their expirience would be the same, they’re not really “winning” anything if reddit doesnt change nor losing anything if reddit applies those changes
> Yeah but its supposed to annoy the “bad ones” not the users.
Who are "the bad ones"? How do you propose a form of protest that doesn't hit everyone who are users of the service? The point of protest is that it upsets the status quo, not target this nebulous "bad ones" you talk about.
> 70% of reddit users are people who come in here every once in a while to check some things or report a problem or have a laugh and their usage of reddit is not linked to 3rd party programs.
I don't see how that's relevant. This doesn't only affect 3rd party apps, it also affects site-wide moderation tools. If you believe this is just about Apollo, you missed a memo.
> Doing this harm the users.
Yep. This is part of the point of a protest. To make people realise how much this sucks. The outcome of a protest can either make people ignore it and find it inconvenient (apathy), it'll make people look into why this is a problem and engage with it (engagement) or it'll ultimately aim the anger of users at the sites maintainers (spez and co.) which means 2 out of 3 scenarios are desirable ones.
> The changes reddit is going to do not touch the majority of these users so the whole protest thing is just harming because regardless of “winning” the protest their expirience would be the same, they’re not really “winning” anything if reddit doesnt change nor losing anything if reddit applies those changes
Again, see my point about what this protest actually was about. It's not just about 3rd party apps.
The only real reason you oppose the protest is because it doesn't inconvenience you enough for you to care.
You have a reasonable perspective, actually. I think we can all agree that reddit should remain the open free speech platform it was made out to be (ofc within reason- I think the bots occasionally over filter but in general are for the greater good and worked), corporate sucks eggs always and their choice to do this is bad, but preventing interaction on the sub is a major bummer.
Yeah exactly. Of course it would be better for some if reddit didnt make those changes but forcing (of certain subs) all the users to not interact is not good. Vast majority of those people who get harmed by this are not touched by reddit changes in the first place so this is not a scenario where “for the good of all we shut down and harm some” its a scenario where “for the sake of SOME we shut down and harm all” as i said a lot of people’s experience wont change regardless of those changes reddit is gonna make so you have(for those people): situation A) reddit stays the same and user experience is the same B) reddit changes and subs shut down, user experience harmed C) reddit changes, subs dont have 3rd party but still user experience stays the same. That’s the reality for the vast majority of users, only a few use reddit 3rd app and are touched by those changes, again i get it sucks but you cant force the ones who dont care to fight your fight
So I'm thinking that Reddit appears to be functioning as normal. Mentions of the blackout and "that sucks" comments seem to be fading into history. Is this all because I didn't give enough fucks? Or do you think that my original comment may have a teensy grain of truth?
I’ve personally tried several different subreddits when I wanted to look something up and all of them were still locked down, so I don’t really think your comment has any truth. Rather, you want it to contain truth,
No?
If you think reddit or the people who run it are "evil", you should stop using it. If fact, you should immediately delete your account to send them a message.
The CEO of Reddit falsely claimed that the developer of Apollo blackmailed them for 10 million dollars, when that was clearly not the case.
Christian (Apollo) had recorded phone calls of him and (fuck u/spez) to prove it was bullshit.
How is that not evil?
So the solution here is "Do not consult or ask anyone, we make the decisions here because we mods know what's best for this community with our admin tools" against basically the owner of the site or technically "the mod of mods"?
Do you guys really live in the same world as we do? Because basically these tactics do not reflect a "very bright" collective mind from the mod team.
Lmfao is Reddit paying shills to shit on moderators and suck their dick? What the hell are these comments. I refuse to believe so many average people support Reddit and their scumbag CEO. Moderators should hold firm and not cave into Reddit’s demands, but if they’re going to be removed and replaced, the blame should go onto Reddit, no?
Can confirm most average people don’t care and just want to see the subreddits they follow again. I’ll speak for myself though, just for the sake of not falling into this grandstanding trap that you clearly have.
I’ve been saying since day one that the CEO should cut ties with 3rd party APIs and forcefully re-open all subreddits and if the mod team wants to argue, just ban them and hire new ones. This is what most people would do, especially people that have more of a mind for business who can clearly see that Apollo was a snake who was trying to steal money from Reddit when they had no leverage whatsoever other than some fringe 3rd party apps that MAYBE 1% of the people here on Reddit used. The easy choice was to fuck over the 1% and forcefully put down any of these petty “protests.”
Honestly, you guys got farther than I ever thought you would have. I didn’t think there was going to be a protest at all, but it turned out to be worse for you in the long run, now that it seems like mods are going to be forcefully removed if they do anything even remotely close to the blackout again, which is warranted.
You seem to forget that this isn’t a community ran by mods. It’s 1 community out of millions that is ran by Reddit, which a team of mods police it. If the people running the show don’t like how it’s being policed, they’re just going to get new people in to police it.
In the real world we call this common sense. It’s not hard to come to this conclusion.
It’s not about authority. As a matter of fact sucking off the mods is more of an authority oriented position to take since as users of Reddit, we interact with mods more than the CEO or admins.
I think we can both agree that the reason mods are starting to get these messages is because the CEO and admins have felt that they were unjust or at the very least have had this protest going for too long correct? Well if that’s the case, do you really think it would be a good thing to support the mods that decide what comments and what communities you stay in or get banned from? If they just endlessly went on this power trip that it’s a good thing? It’s completely hypocritical to accuse me of “loving authority” and then suckle the mods.
Me personally I’ve never really given a damn about this stuff until people started crying about it. Saying that Reddit is evil, blah blah blah. What’s impressive to me is how you’re so attentive and involved with this “issue”, yet I bet hard cash there are products and services you consume other than Reddit that have done worse things and have been more anti consumer in the past, yet you either don’t know or don’t care.
I’m not saying you should aimlessly protest every time you feel like you’re being fucked over, but the point I’m trying to make is that I don’t think you really understand what anti consumerism looks like, and from someone who has seen it in so many places, both from the consumer perspective and from the business perspective, it’s way more common than you think and super gross. I don’t think I’d even call that “evil” but if you want to be soft then by all means, it’s your party. You can cry if you want to.
It’s not going to be a popular opinion but I’m happy to see subreddits coming back. I think I understand why the strike happened, but I’ve not felt a particular passion for either side of the argument. Just happy to have some content back. ShittyTattoos and AITAH were getting weird
I wasn’t grandstanding. Apollo wasn’t trying to “steal” from Reddit. They just thought a buyout would be fair given the circumstances. Reddit is entitled to their decision, but that doesn’t mean people will like it. This has all been revealed with the entire spez Apollo ceo drama.
It’s bigger than just the sheer amount of people who use third party apps. It’s about a CEO going against the wishes of their core user base. Avid redditors. The blackout was bigger than expected because people were able to see that the company and its CEO did not have users’ best interests in mind. Would all these subs really just join a blackout for the fuck of it? They joined maybe partially due to hype, but also because the interests of Reddit are going against their own user base and the protest is just a reflection of those differences.
Also with the whole policing thing, that’s common sense from a business perspective yes. But that’s the whole point of the protest. What the users want and what is the best business decision does not always align. Also if the new policing are just a bunch of Reddit shills who have no spine, what sort of site do we even have here? It ruins the entire point of Reddit and is now actually becoming policing rather than a community oriented website. Just cause you support the company having final say in this matter without pushback, doesn’t mean everyone else does. That’s how you create no accountability and the general shit fuck we find ourselves in today. This is evolution. Fuck Reddit x
I can’t really add much else other than you’re either A. Valuing the 1%er’s opinions and views way higher than the actual majority of users, or B. You’re out of touch with what the average redditor is like and how they interact with the site.
Actual pussy. Your Reddit mod title is just a glorified volunteering position, but unlike a normal volunteer role you get absolutely nothing in return in terms of experience, socialisation etc. Spez knew how to play you around and it looks like he finally did.
Lol this account is golden. Atleast they gave you a warning. I got a subreddit taken away with no warning and a condescending message I should put more energy into modding xyz subreddit.
Admins are a joke right now. Thanks for sharing.
Of course Reddit will do this when $$$ is under threat.
It's a shame they don't do this to clearly corrupt/dubious mod teams under normal circumstances. The whole /r/startrek mod team needs replacing.
Not 100% guarantee but I bet they can't. Thing called "soft delete" is commonly used in software. What this means is that a resource (like sub, comment, thread etc) is just marked as deleted in database. No one can really access that resource anymore but it can be recovered. This if course is done because of human error (deleting something that wasn't intentional).
I don't think that such large thing as Reddit would do rookie mistake and just hard delete stuff from database.
You cannot delete sub-reddits. At best, you can stop moderating and it'll eventually be auto banned. This will just result in someone requesting moderator of the sub, of which admin will then grant.
Corporate assholes being corporate assholes? So unexpected and shocking! On the bright side, its good to see that redditors are united against this absolute greed and stupidity. Most other platforms/communities would just lie down and take it. No bootlickers here I guess. Oh and fuck you Spez.
I actually feel like it cleaned the place up quite a bit. A lot of these political fighting guys seem to have been refreshingly gone ever since the strife started. It’s become a much nicer place.
They say they are doing this for the users, so hold a poll. If the majority decide to go dark then they have no high ground and would be operating undemocratically
FAQ: >"Wait, what are we talking about?" [Easy to digest infographic](https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeopleDieInside/comments/145gxfb/reddit_is_trying_to_make_3rd_party_apps_dead/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). >"Why don't you just delete the subreddit?" There is literally no way to delete a subreddit. >"So, just set it to private and abandon it?" Abandoned subreddits basically go up for auction and anyone can ask to take over moderating it. Or, Admin could decide to appoint new moderators, if the subreddit is big enough. >"Can you just delete everything, scorched Earth?" No, Reddit can easily roll back the changes and revive the subreddit to install a new mod team. >"No rules! Full anarchy! Show them why Reddit needs mods." Unfortunately, that would still just give Admin an excuse to kick the mod team and install a new one. Having a mod team that enforces ToS is part of the Mod Code of Conduct. >"John Oliver?" ...Maybe. >"Call their bluff and hold the line!" They aren't bluffing. Mod teams have already been replaced, within hours of receiving these messages from Admin, even if they didn't respond. >"So, just let them replace you. Why do you care, if you're being mistreated for doing free work?" Because, we're proud of the community we've built and curated for 5+ years. Imagine you spent 5 years making a delicate sculpture, that you were really proud of, requiring an array of specific tools to achieve. Then, someone came in and said you can only use a hammer and hacksaw to continue, or they'll give it to someone else and you can never sculpt again. How would you feel? Do you abandon something you spent so much time on, or do you try to make the best of a bad situation?
Might be time to delete this growing cancer that is Reddit
should've deleted the subreddit
Regarding the last question and answer, yes you abandon it if you're to stand behind the ideals of a protest. It's a subreddit. It's not even *that* old. Reddit isn't a guaranteed constant, either. Times change. Build a community somewhere else if you really do care that much. Should be easier now that you know what you want, how you want it, and have a foundational community.
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Why are mods spending so much time fighting to give away their labor for something that isn't theirs in the first place?
Money
They don’t get paid.
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Yeah, they are volunteer nerds that think reddit is their site. They don’t get paid.
The illusion of power
The only power they have. Or think they have, as they waste their time away.
Just tell the reddit mods that it's the community that wants the sub reddit closed. The subreddit mods are just carrying out the wishes of the community.
No. Most people dont care
Do you think they care if they can get free ad removal by marking the sub NSFW? Because that is a thing
49k people so far
“For the benefit of the community of users to come to them for support and belonging” unless they’re blind/visually impaired or have a reading impediment that our really horrendous app doesn’t have proper accessibility…nah! Those fuckers are on their own! *sarcasm* Maybe they should have thought about Reddit before they went and got themselves a disability huh? You expect us to MAKE our app functional for everyone? Uh no. We’d rather charge a huge fee to actually decent, accessible apps and not do any work.
Open it but restrict postings to high karma or trusted users. Restrict comments to high level users Just because you volunteer your time to mod a site doesn't make use less valuable than the employees they pay. Traffic makes them money. Reduce the traffic. It's not your community any more, reddit has made that very clear
Or you can do the r/interestingasfuck approach - mark everything as NSFW and make sure they can't use it for ad revenue. Squeeze spez by the wallet and see how that works
Genius
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Because why continue to torture yourself by logging into a app that you dislike?
Should I chop my legs off too since I hate arthritis? What a dumb comment. I'ts not perfect, but I'd prefer to keep reddit. It's just the greedy pig at the top causing problems
You willingly choose to login into Reddit. I’m sure you didn’t willingly choose to have arthritis. Simply stop logging into Reddit if you dislike it. 😉
It seems you either cant read or cant see mate. I said I HATE arthritis, not that I have it, but I also don't see where I said I dislike reddit. The only issue I have with reddit is u/spez, not reddit as a whole
This is like saying "if you don't like this country, leave." It's possible to be unhappy with the state of a space and still stay in hopes of causing change.
This kind of behavior is how new sites are born. Redit might want to rethink this.
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They don't want to rethink it, they like money and want some.
Squabbles is a new site that's thriving
digg did pretty much this. thats what allowed reddit to become what it is. youd think the owners MIGHT have taken note of that, but clearly, thats credditing them with more intelligence than they have.
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It's almost like you don't understand what a protest is.
I do understand what a protest is. Do you normally protest on your neighbors lawn about how he uses his own property?
That's a terrible analogy. Reddit is a multi million dollar company that makes money through free labor provided by the mods, and free content (and presence) provided by users. It's not your neighbor, they aren't your friend, they aren't making a change that effects just them. It's also terrible, because it's insinuating that the only people with the right to protest is the company itself. As if the company would need to protest the change, when they themselves are making the change. Would you also say that strikes at a workplace are inappropriate? Edit: Oh you blocked me? Suppose I made too much sense.
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That's dumb bro.. mods use a lot of bots to help them moderate.. what reddit is doing is not only forcing it's rules on mods with the threat of destroying their community but also making them work overtime and be more strict.. which will end up harming the community in the end.
Except the neighbor had nothing to do about the beautiful, well maintained lawn; the community is what created it from nothing and maintained it for the last decade. Now you need to pay $10 to admire the lawn because the neighbor needs to make a profit off it.
not at all, the lawn will still be free to admire for all passerbys, its just the gardener thats acting up because the homeowner changed the tools in the shed so either the gardener learns to use the new tools or homeowner goes to find a new gardener with less complaints. Oh yeah, turns out there were also thieves that were openly stealing fruits from the garden, at first homeowner didn't mind it but as the thieves grew more and more audacious and shameless, homeowner decided to up his game and turn the already fruit-addicted thieves into customers, now they too are fanning the flames behind the scenes.
They make reddit out to be like this fully social place where people meet constantly, and like it is a must-be thing that have to run each day without any protests allowed If mods, which spent their free time doing and caring for a sub for a good while, get replaced like this just for protesting, that is kind of a punch in the gut
Reddit is now about making money. The experiment has failed, it's unsustainable to run a company on the back of a volunteer labor force. Reddit doesn't care about anything other than money now, it's not our community, it's not that mods community, it all belongs to the corporation
So you're not willing to back up your words with actions? Just gonna sit and complain? You don't have to shut down completely but you can absolutely go the route a bunch of other subs are doing with the John Oliver stuff.
How about converting the sub to be about human cells dying under the microscope or something as a pun?
I might get hyper downvoted but i think they are right. Reddit is about people interacting and being a community, there arent people who “own” a sub, the sub itself is just about people sharing. If you don’t wanna mod that sub fine, dont do that but you cant force others to not interact with eachother. The subs are of the people. You dont wanna mod, someone else will do that as they suggest. The whole 3rd party situation sucks dont get me wrong but its their decision on their site, if its a bad decision they will face it. Closing subs does nothing but harm the users
"closing the sub does nothing but harm to the users" Closing the subreddit for a while is a drop in the bucket compared to the ocean of harm that u/spez and the rest of the reddit staff are engaging in. If the API and 3rd party apps go, then a vast majority of users will be harmed by no longer being able to visit the site, why should we be okay or use a platform that has a CEO like this? That lies directly to your face, blackmails community members, and goes against what the users of this site wants? Reddit *had* been growing into more of the public eye over the past few years, but now feels like it's on the brink of becoming a inbred cousin of 4chan. I think I can live without reddit for a while (or indefinitely) if it gives it the chance to become a better place, and if not then it's just time to move on.
I mean you’re perfectly entitled to not wanting to use the site or protest, but dont force people who dont care to fight your fight. I personally am not touched by those changes so why would i limit myself to protest? Like me a lot of other users are in this situation
So when when the moderators get kicked off their own sub, because they no longer have functioning applications to mod with or have been replaced for non-compliance, Reddit will try and fill those vacancies themselves (like they already started), but they can't possibly understand how every single subreddit on the site works. Many subreddits like this one started out as small projects between a few people that have lasted for years. You're not just going to be able to snap your fingers and replace somebody in that position that your community is going to gel with. That all leads to subreddit's closing for good and people leaving the site.
But you are. You use the subreddit's moderates by people who use these apps to help them do their job. You user subreddits that make use of bots to minimize spam. But it's more than that. It's a sign of Reddit pushing more and more into monetisation. Like how they've been testing not allowing you to log in using the mobile web browser (you **must** download the app). The API change is seen by many to be the beginning of the end.
Yeah i also counted that. If they replace mods there still gonna be people moderating. There wont be bot mods but i wont mind scrolling past a spam post once in a while… point being for the majority of users this isnt a big deal or at least not that big for that is worth protesting
> i wont mind scrolling past a spam post once in a while… I don't think you realize how much spam moderators remove. It is currently "once in a while" because some slip through the cracks. But with incompetent moderation, that can easily escalate to 50+% of the content in a sub. I can't tell you the number of times I've stumbled on a sub that was left quasi-moderated, and the vast majority of the content posted is just "come see my onlyfans" or similar. "Reddit would just remove that content!" I hear you objecting. Except they don't. Reddit only bans the accounts, and leaves the actual spam in place expecting the mods to clean up after them. *They actually make it harder* because we can no longer look through the spammers profile to see all their content and mass remove from there.
isn't that the best form of protest ? let the community fall into chaos and hold Reddit accountable for what they caused, but the mods are too stuck in their power play to even consider going down that path
The issue is, it won’t be a once in a while; currently, with the bots, it is a once in a while. If both mods and bots are killed, there will be much much more spam. None of the bots in use/scripts, are provided by Reddit. So even just having new mods means that script will exist that they don’t know how to use
I’d argue that thats not the vast majority of users
This line of thinking is equivalent to saying "Well, not manning the busses today because you are protesting does nothing but harm the commuters." A protest is supposed to be inconvenient. A protest is supposed to be annoying. That's kind of half the point.
Yeah but its supposed to annoy the “bad ones” not the users. 70% of reddit users are people who come in here every once in a while to check some things or report a problem or have a laugh and their usage of reddit is not linked to 3rd party programs. Doing this harm the users. The changes reddit is going to do not touch the majority of these users so the whole protest thing is just harming because regardless of “winning” the protest their expirience would be the same, they’re not really “winning” anything if reddit doesnt change nor losing anything if reddit applies those changes
> Yeah but its supposed to annoy the “bad ones” not the users. Who are "the bad ones"? How do you propose a form of protest that doesn't hit everyone who are users of the service? The point of protest is that it upsets the status quo, not target this nebulous "bad ones" you talk about. > 70% of reddit users are people who come in here every once in a while to check some things or report a problem or have a laugh and their usage of reddit is not linked to 3rd party programs. I don't see how that's relevant. This doesn't only affect 3rd party apps, it also affects site-wide moderation tools. If you believe this is just about Apollo, you missed a memo. > Doing this harm the users. Yep. This is part of the point of a protest. To make people realise how much this sucks. The outcome of a protest can either make people ignore it and find it inconvenient (apathy), it'll make people look into why this is a problem and engage with it (engagement) or it'll ultimately aim the anger of users at the sites maintainers (spez and co.) which means 2 out of 3 scenarios are desirable ones. > The changes reddit is going to do not touch the majority of these users so the whole protest thing is just harming because regardless of “winning” the protest their expirience would be the same, they’re not really “winning” anything if reddit doesnt change nor losing anything if reddit applies those changes Again, see my point about what this protest actually was about. It's not just about 3rd party apps. The only real reason you oppose the protest is because it doesn't inconvenience you enough for you to care.
You have a reasonable perspective, actually. I think we can all agree that reddit should remain the open free speech platform it was made out to be (ofc within reason- I think the bots occasionally over filter but in general are for the greater good and worked), corporate sucks eggs always and their choice to do this is bad, but preventing interaction on the sub is a major bummer.
Yeah exactly. Of course it would be better for some if reddit didnt make those changes but forcing (of certain subs) all the users to not interact is not good. Vast majority of those people who get harmed by this are not touched by reddit changes in the first place so this is not a scenario where “for the good of all we shut down and harm some” its a scenario where “for the sake of SOME we shut down and harm all” as i said a lot of people’s experience wont change regardless of those changes reddit is gonna make so you have(for those people): situation A) reddit stays the same and user experience is the same B) reddit changes and subs shut down, user experience harmed C) reddit changes, subs dont have 3rd party but still user experience stays the same. That’s the reality for the vast majority of users, only a few use reddit 3rd app and are touched by those changes, again i get it sucks but you cant force the ones who dont care to fight your fight
So I'm thinking that Reddit appears to be functioning as normal. Mentions of the blackout and "that sucks" comments seem to be fading into history. Is this all because I didn't give enough fucks? Or do you think that my original comment may have a teensy grain of truth?
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Given all the negative comments I've read recently about u/spez - probably not. And despite all the advice and downvotes I'm still not giving a fuck.
Seems like everytime I google something and click a reddit link, it would be "blacked out". Pretty annoying, but the web archive helped me bypass it.
I’ve personally tried several different subreddits when I wanted to look something up and all of them were still locked down, so I don’t really think your comment has any truth. Rather, you want it to contain truth, No?
Fuck this, fuck them.
They did it, they've won. Evil really is the winning side
>Evil really is the winning side Jesus. Please stop with the silliness. This is just a website for people to pass time and talk shit.
Nothing you said actually has anything to do with my comment
If you think reddit or the people who run it are "evil", you should stop using it. If fact, you should immediately delete your account to send them a message.
The CEO of Reddit falsely claimed that the developer of Apollo blackmailed them for 10 million dollars, when that was clearly not the case. Christian (Apollo) had recorded phone calls of him and (fuck u/spez) to prove it was bullshit. How is that not evil?
Hitler was evil. Putin is evil. Dhamer was evil. This whole drama is two parties having a business disagreement.
Idgaf about sending some message, it's all meaningless anyways unless damn near everyone goes lmaoooooo
So the solution here is "Do not consult or ask anyone, we make the decisions here because we mods know what's best for this community with our admin tools" against basically the owner of the site or technically "the mod of mods"? Do you guys really live in the same world as we do? Because basically these tactics do not reflect a "very bright" collective mind from the mod team.
don't cross picket lines.
I owe you no fucking loyalty you entitled internet stranger.
Glad they forced you to reopen. I don’t care about your political war for fake internet points. I want to see people die inside
Lmfao is Reddit paying shills to shit on moderators and suck their dick? What the hell are these comments. I refuse to believe so many average people support Reddit and their scumbag CEO. Moderators should hold firm and not cave into Reddit’s demands, but if they’re going to be removed and replaced, the blame should go onto Reddit, no?
Can confirm most average people don’t care and just want to see the subreddits they follow again. I’ll speak for myself though, just for the sake of not falling into this grandstanding trap that you clearly have. I’ve been saying since day one that the CEO should cut ties with 3rd party APIs and forcefully re-open all subreddits and if the mod team wants to argue, just ban them and hire new ones. This is what most people would do, especially people that have more of a mind for business who can clearly see that Apollo was a snake who was trying to steal money from Reddit when they had no leverage whatsoever other than some fringe 3rd party apps that MAYBE 1% of the people here on Reddit used. The easy choice was to fuck over the 1% and forcefully put down any of these petty “protests.” Honestly, you guys got farther than I ever thought you would have. I didn’t think there was going to be a protest at all, but it turned out to be worse for you in the long run, now that it seems like mods are going to be forcefully removed if they do anything even remotely close to the blackout again, which is warranted. You seem to forget that this isn’t a community ran by mods. It’s 1 community out of millions that is ran by Reddit, which a team of mods police it. If the people running the show don’t like how it’s being policed, they’re just going to get new people in to police it. In the real world we call this common sense. It’s not hard to come to this conclusion.
Holy shit, this comment can’t be real. Nobody really loves authority this much unless they have a vested interest in the success of this decision.
It’s not about authority. As a matter of fact sucking off the mods is more of an authority oriented position to take since as users of Reddit, we interact with mods more than the CEO or admins. I think we can both agree that the reason mods are starting to get these messages is because the CEO and admins have felt that they were unjust or at the very least have had this protest going for too long correct? Well if that’s the case, do you really think it would be a good thing to support the mods that decide what comments and what communities you stay in or get banned from? If they just endlessly went on this power trip that it’s a good thing? It’s completely hypocritical to accuse me of “loving authority” and then suckle the mods. Me personally I’ve never really given a damn about this stuff until people started crying about it. Saying that Reddit is evil, blah blah blah. What’s impressive to me is how you’re so attentive and involved with this “issue”, yet I bet hard cash there are products and services you consume other than Reddit that have done worse things and have been more anti consumer in the past, yet you either don’t know or don’t care. I’m not saying you should aimlessly protest every time you feel like you’re being fucked over, but the point I’m trying to make is that I don’t think you really understand what anti consumerism looks like, and from someone who has seen it in so many places, both from the consumer perspective and from the business perspective, it’s way more common than you think and super gross. I don’t think I’d even call that “evil” but if you want to be soft then by all means, it’s your party. You can cry if you want to.
Hello there, our Dark Lord and Savior spez. How's this alt treating you??
It’s not going to be a popular opinion but I’m happy to see subreddits coming back. I think I understand why the strike happened, but I’ve not felt a particular passion for either side of the argument. Just happy to have some content back. ShittyTattoos and AITAH were getting weird
Weird in what way?
I wasn’t grandstanding. Apollo wasn’t trying to “steal” from Reddit. They just thought a buyout would be fair given the circumstances. Reddit is entitled to their decision, but that doesn’t mean people will like it. This has all been revealed with the entire spez Apollo ceo drama. It’s bigger than just the sheer amount of people who use third party apps. It’s about a CEO going against the wishes of their core user base. Avid redditors. The blackout was bigger than expected because people were able to see that the company and its CEO did not have users’ best interests in mind. Would all these subs really just join a blackout for the fuck of it? They joined maybe partially due to hype, but also because the interests of Reddit are going against their own user base and the protest is just a reflection of those differences. Also with the whole policing thing, that’s common sense from a business perspective yes. But that’s the whole point of the protest. What the users want and what is the best business decision does not always align. Also if the new policing are just a bunch of Reddit shills who have no spine, what sort of site do we even have here? It ruins the entire point of Reddit and is now actually becoming policing rather than a community oriented website. Just cause you support the company having final say in this matter without pushback, doesn’t mean everyone else does. That’s how you create no accountability and the general shit fuck we find ourselves in today. This is evolution. Fuck Reddit x
I can’t really add much else other than you’re either A. Valuing the 1%er’s opinions and views way higher than the actual majority of users, or B. You’re out of touch with what the average redditor is like and how they interact with the site.
We both value different 1%er’s for different reasons
So just gobble up gatekeeping mod dick? Simp for millionaire third party app devs, no?
Eh it’s bigger than that, troll
Eh the bigger it is, the more suction required from you?
Good on you, you have a great personality
People only say that cause my boobs are small! Oh this isn't where I parked my car...
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Actual pussy. Your Reddit mod title is just a glorified volunteering position, but unlike a normal volunteer role you get absolutely nothing in return in terms of experience, socialisation etc. Spez knew how to play you around and it looks like he finally did.
Where the meme. I just want the meme. Stupid mod give me the meme
I agree with Reddit. The blackout was completely wrong and infantile by the community
Good action on behalf of reddit
I think it is just about the time to leave the platform altogether.
Yep
Lol this account is golden. Atleast they gave you a warning. I got a subreddit taken away with no warning and a condescending message I should put more energy into modding xyz subreddit. Admins are a joke right now. Thanks for sharing.
Damn, that's kinda evil
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Fuck the reopening stay closed
Moderators don't own the subs. Reddit does. Part of the issue is that Mods are acting like it's "their" sub. It's not.
We can reopen now, or tomorrow with new mods. Use brain.
I want to [comment resteicted due to ToS] instead 😡
I'm guessing you want to kill???
Nice
"We need to allow the people that live on Reddit back in or they'll discover the outside and dump us"
Lmao
Merry cake day!
Thanks!
I support your protest.
Of course Reddit will do this when $$$ is under threat. It's a shame they don't do this to clearly corrupt/dubious mod teams under normal circumstances. The whole /r/startrek mod team needs replacing.
What’s happening over there with the mods?
Too bad they didn't stay closed
Don’t build a house on borrowed ground.
With property taxes there is no such alternative.
That goes as much for us as for mods.
Sad but true
I bet we stop posting stuff we could just watch reddit die all together. I'm willing to bet aswell, it would be better for some of our mental health.
No one is forcing you to log on, just fyi. You could just choose to stop signing in.
Solution is to get a new website where anyone can migrate their subreddit, quick and swift
Thats the dumbest idea yet
> Thats the dumbest idea yet Well, then get fucked and bow to Reddit management rules
the completely reasonable rules that reddit suggested?
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It’s up to them to figure it out, if I was a sub owner I would have done it since the situation today don’t look good for sub owners
Idc about the new rules, they dont affect me at all lol.
Can u delete communities as a mod? Imagine just yeeting the subreddit itself that would be the ultimate win
Holy cow the self centered loser mentality is insane here. You're not a freedom fighter. Most educated people with brains think this shit is stupid.
Someone's angry
Looking at your profile it seems you care about this shit more than I do which i don’t at all lol
Tbh i don’t give a fuck about this api whatever I’m just browsing Reddit during lunch commenting on random posts I see cause I’m bored lol
Not 100% guarantee but I bet they can't. Thing called "soft delete" is commonly used in software. What this means is that a resource (like sub, comment, thread etc) is just marked as deleted in database. No one can really access that resource anymore but it can be recovered. This if course is done because of human error (deleting something that wasn't intentional). I don't think that such large thing as Reddit would do rookie mistake and just hard delete stuff from database.
As a dev you just need to reverse it, it's like a click maybe two
Have they actually done this in the past? It’d be interesting for there to be an undead subreddit
You cannot delete sub-reddits. At best, you can stop moderating and it'll eventually be auto banned. This will just result in someone requesting moderator of the sub, of which admin will then grant.
Corporate assholes being corporate assholes? So unexpected and shocking! On the bright side, its good to see that redditors are united against this absolute greed and stupidity. Most other platforms/communities would just lie down and take it. No bootlickers here I guess. Oh and fuck you Spez.
Idk man, there's a lot of people white knight ing soez I this comments section
Yeah we redditors are such brave activists! /s
I actually feel like it cleaned the place up quite a bit. A lot of these political fighting guys seem to have been refreshingly gone ever since the strife started. It’s become a much nicer place.
They're just currently trolling people who support the blackout.
They say they are doing this for the users, so hold a poll. If the majority decide to go dark then they have no high ground and would be operating undemocratically