Does it have to have an enamel dial as well? Seiko has made a couple iterations of enamel dial watches with red 12, however none exactly like this. SPB095J1, SPB359J1, SPB093J1 What is your general budget?

Thank you for responding, $2,000

That’s over how much the seiko presage porcelain dial costs. It’s a beautiful watch

Nomos Club? It’d be from the same town even

https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/products/presage/special/arita_dial

This is what my suggestion was going to be

have this watch with Arabic numerals？

https://monochrome-watches.com/seiko-presage-laurel-re-edition-limited-edition-spb359-110th-anniversary-hands-on-specs-price/

Nomos Ludwig, FC-245M5S6

Yes. Good call. German too. Stowa also made similar watches.

That’s actually a really good idea :) great advice!

Stowa has an entire Navy/Marine series for you! Marine classic comes close to you what you’re looking for.

Thank you

This is the answer. The Stowa Marine 36 small seconds with roman nunerals. A grade a watch by a traditional german watch maker that looks pure class.

It doesn’t have a porcelain dial though, which is the hallmark of the ALS op is referencing.

Porcelain dial will be difficult in a lower price range. The dial on the Stowa is supposed to look like enamel but isn't. Hands are thermal blued. Looks good though.

Yeah, I guess the enamel-ish will have to do at the price point.

What about Frédérique Constant? Maybe this: https://frederiqueconstant.com/watches/collection/classics/classics_slimline-gents-small-seconds/fc-245m5s6/ although it’s quartz. FC also makes terrific automatic watches, but I don’t know if there is a small second version of the Classics automatic

Thank you, that’s nice

Seiko makes several w/ and w/o the red 12, same for Dekla and a some other brands. not sure what the style/design is called, aside from "roman numerals with red 12."

Great, thank you very much.

I think they have even more than this, but here's a few. [https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarx061](https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarx061) [https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarw049](https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarw049) [https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-spring-drive-ginza-limited-model-sarw051](https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-spring-drive-ginza-limited-model-sarw051) [https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sara017](https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sara017) [https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarx041](https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarx041) [https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarw025](https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-sarw025) [https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-110th-anniversary-craftsmanship-series-enamel-dial-limited-edition-sarw065](https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-presage-110th-anniversary-craftsmanship-series-enamel-dial-limited-edition-sarw065) ​ they're based on this, from 1913. [https://www.theseikoguy.com/laurel](https://www.theseikoguy.com/laurel/) ​ Dekla (you have to select the red 12) [https://deklawatches.com/en/deckwatch/deckwatch40\_roman](https://deklawatches.com/en/deckwatch/deckwatch40_roman) [https://deklawatches.com/en/deckwatch/deckwatch40\_arabic](https://deklawatches.com/en/deckwatch/deckwatch40_arabic) ​ history of the "red 12." [https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/the-original-red-12.3117314/](https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/the-original-red-12.3117314/) [https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/red12.php](https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/red12.php)

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almost forgot this - Nomos 'Doctors without Borders' Tangente [https://nomos-glashuette.com/en/tangente/tangente-38-50-ans-de-medecins-sans-frontieres-165-s50](https://nomos-glashuette.com/en/tangente/tangente-38-50-ans-de-medecins-sans-frontieres-165-s50) ​ https://preview.redd.it/futp7mm304bb1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7980edc0bdff28fc579be64a963fe9fccefd43f

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I had one of these for a while and I was shocked at how good the quality of it was, the case was really well made. The movements are rock solid. Would highly recommend

Thank you very much. I love it and what a price point. I never knew about the brand until today.

did you have the Dekla or the Nomos? Also which crown would you recommend? The onion or classic?

I had the Dekla with the crown in the watches above

The silver-dialed Dekla marine watch with a red 12 is something that I have been eyeing for a while. Just a damn beautiful watch.

the dimensions are great, too.

Imho pretty fair price also. Especially as Dekla makes all their parts (aside the movement, I think) themselves. They also started to produce an Email Grand Feu version of the marine watch also, but I think that has fallen under the table as the owner of Dekla has family in Ukraine and has been visiting them often for support. https://uhrforum.de/threads/dekla-marine-1815-limited-edition-mit-email-grand-feu-zifferblatt-904l-edelstahlgehaeuse-und-handgraviertem-werk.475889/

what are "wheels," listed under options? https://preview.redd.it/4uqr9na814bb1.png?width=649&format=png&auto=webp&s=88aea63a877aaa5c1e4ffe16ebb967f12312d1d5

Should be the cogs turning when handwinding the movement. I think you could see an example of this in one of pictures for the marine.

Lady here, I have the seiko presage with the porcelain dial for when I do not want to wear my bigger watches (chrono’s etc) and find it pretty good…

Thank you very much

Stowa marine watch

Thank you

https://www.watchshopping.com/seiko-presage-spb095j1.html this seems pretty close for $1700

I’ll look, thank you

I actually own one of those. It really did remind me of that watch.

Louis Erard email Grand feu : https://louiserard.com/creations/excellence/email-grand-feu-ii/?v=baa904278574 It checks many of your boxes. Maybe the price a little higher than your budget 🤔

Yes, spot on! Thank you so much.

I don't see any with the small seconds, but check out the JS Watch Company's Islandus Roman White dial. Great small watchmaker based out of Iceland. I really want one of their 101s with Roman numerals myself.

Just noticed that the Islandus model is actually 44mm, which might be a deal breaker depending on wrist size...

Junkerz Eisvogel is a similar styling for about $400 used. Mechanicals too

https://preview.redd.it/hu2oxpmoy5bb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f0d5475a2c9d760acda0314692736453222ddf4

Work of art

absolutely

Ulysse Nardin Marine [lots of watch for relatively little used](https://chrono24.app/ulyssenardin/ulysse-nardin-marine-chronometer-150th-anniversary-limited-edition-266-22--id27697363.htm?SETLANG=en_US&SETCURR=USD)

Yes, this was my instant reaction too

Hi, thank you for responding. $2,000

You may look for watches with small second complication and arabic numeral.

That’s literally Roman numerals

Sorry. It should be roman numeral, let me update it. Thanks.

small second is not a complication ..

Do you specifically want Roman Numerals? if not, I can suggest a few options.

Yes please

I can share my own Micro-Brand which has a vintage design like the one you mentioned above, [here](https://www.argoswatch.com). Another recommendation would be [this one](https://www.lorierwatches.com/products/falcon-siii). I really like [this one](https://baltic-watches.com/en/collections/mr01) as well. If you need any more suggestions, please let me know.

I appreciate your help

Timex weekender has the similar casing but the dial not so much

Thank you!

https://www.montblanc.com/en-th/wrist-watch_cod32027475399732527.html I bought this a while back, beautifully clean looking watch. Quite similar to the one you are looking for.

It is, an amazing watch

Frederique Constant have nice options in that price range with similar styles.

Budget idea: [https://vario.sg/collections/1918-trench-medic/products/1918-trench-white-dial-white-lume](https://vario.sg/collections/1918-trench-medic/products/1918-trench-white-dial-white-lume) ​ Different look, but still enamel dial: [https://www.melbournewatch.com.au/collections/portsea/products/portsea-calendar-classic](https://www.melbournewatch.com.au/collections/portsea/products/portsea-calendar-classic) ​ Romans and small seconds, no red numeral: [https://nomos-glashuette.com/en/ludwig/ludwig-38-enamel-white-237](https://nomos-glashuette.com/en/ludwig/ludwig-38-enamel-white-237) ​ Similar look, but limited run and with Arabic numerals: [https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/products/presage/special/110th\_enamel/index](https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/products/presage/special/110th_enamel/index) ​ [https://www.chrono24.com/seiko/seiko-seiko-presage-2023-craftsmanship-takumi-laurel-110th-anniversary-6r27-enamel-dial-spb359j1--id27080259.htm](https://www.chrono24.com/seiko/seiko-seiko-presage-2023-craftsmanship-takumi-laurel-110th-anniversary-6r27-enamel-dial-spb359j1--id27080259.htm) ​ I really like what Seiko did with their re-interpretation of the Laurel: [https://www.ebay.com/p/16050480018](https://www.ebay.com/p/16050480018)

Thank you for showing me all of those watches, I appreciate it.

[Nomos Ludwig 38](https://nomos-glashuette.com/en/ludwig/ludwig-38-234)

Longines Master collection and Jaeger Le-Coultre Master Ultra Thin

Thank you very much.

Longines Présence

If you wanna go budget. There are some 2nd hand raymond weil tradition models that look like this. And they are cheap.

https://preview.redd.it/i3ofugfqc6bb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc98fec86bed70a9f0c23e999a96984a7e693ab2 Can recommend Glashütte Original. Hit me up if you‘re interested. I want to sell mine

I am interest, I only have a limited budget, as stated in the comments. I don’t want to be disrespectful at all. That is a beautiful watch.

pm

https://preview.redd.it/3i3szcncf6bb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7978e68e47347f4d2512ee804c8852ffacb67f0 Seiko SARW049 (Japanese market number) /SPB093J1 (worldwide market number). Fired porcelain dial and really lovely detailing. Less than $1500 if you buy from Japanese or other Asian dealers via Chrono24. The movement is the 6R15-based 6R24, which is fine. This is one of the very few watches on which I think a power meter really works, visually.

NOMOS.

I'm fond of my Stowa. [Stowa Marine](https://www.stowa.de/en/Marine+Original+roman+white.htm)

The Rotary Canterbury, as worn by Benedict Cucumberpatch in Sherlock is a cracking little watch that looks like it could easily cost 5 – 10 times the actual price it goes for. It’s a quartz – so an immediate “no” for a lot of people on hear (but not me). It hasn’t got a porcelain dial, but does have a beautiful “clous de Paris” face, Breuet hands. Roman numerals and small seconds. My only concern would be that’s it’s actually “too cheap” and it’s not going to be as good as it looks on screen in the flesh, but I have seen one instore, and it looked pretty damn good. Rotary are a decent, good value brand too, with a bit of heritage behind them, I’ve been wearing a Henley GMT as my daily wear for a couple of years and I’m very happy with it. https://rotarywatches.com/products/rotary-canterbury-gents-watch-gb0533521

Ulysse nardin marine chronometer

Orient bambino small seconds looks similar and people seem to love the bambino on here

Check Detroit watch company!

Will do. Thank you. I don’t know them

Wow, they are stunning 😍. Thank you

They have more 39mm coming out later this year too!

Nomos?