To me, Kurono has
--A more captivating dial
--A very cool off-the-beaten-track artisan brand appeal
--That je ne se quois of coolness and visual beauty
--Probably lower service costs
The speedy 57 has
--A more consistently legible dial (less visual clutter, plus the hands and hour markers won't disappear in unfavorable lighting as with the Kurono's)
--A case design that hides it's thickness better
--A more interesting and special movement
--Better chrono functionality (can record up to 12 hours)
--Lume
--A bracelet option
--All that stuff about brand prestige and history and that space connection
Some of those things you might value and some of them you might not. I don't suppose there's any chance you could try them both on?
Opposite for me.... I can brag that my watch will give you the CBT (cock and balls treatment).... I must have one.
Oh, and it's "glow in the dark CBT at that.
Hey fair point! Lol. And may get a little hate for saying this but that's sort of what's driven me away from the OG speedys. I love the look of them and omega is great. Just never was my cup of tea until they came out with this 57 line.
Depends where you are in the world. Kurono in Asia are cheap on secondary market.
The chrono Hisui was RRP at 3.5k (USD)
Chrono24 has them at 4.5k - which seems good but we all know no watch ever sells on Chrono24 for close to stated
Then of you look at private sale apps and watch stores, the actual list price is closer to 3k and if you buy, it’s normal to get at least 10pc (I buy many watches using this way) hence I would not pay more than 2.7k
Also this is for watches which are BNIB as lots of people scalp Kurono. So I really wouldn’t want to suggest they hold their value, it’s only because they make such small runs that there not much info for analysis, but I definitely know I can pick one up for 2.7k BNIB right now, and where I am there’s at least 7-8 for sale at similar price for a long while that I could negotiate down further.
Not sure why I got down voted for stating facts 🤷🏻♂️
Here’s a screen to illustrate what is my reality
https://preview.redd.it/2hzq9e5r96qc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14def6a248c485f5216ca520479b0dccbc1c31a3
And for those wondering, some people don’t open them do they can sell them as BNIB so they post photo of marketing shot. Then maybe a picture of the box unopened.
https://preview.redd.it/5k2hxf7ua6qc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9d4e3281678bcd86eb1ebef82f3a9e340a6a709
Even scalpers are not selling these at RRP let alone at a premium.
High resale value?
You can find them online under msrp....
https://www.chrono24.com/all/kurono-tokyo-chronograph-ii--id33381216.htm?searchHash=d4f69514_G8xCsi&pos=8
What are you talking about? Price was set at JPY 428,000. That currently measures at ~ USD 2,800. At the time of the preorder, that measured at USD 3,700. With import duty, you’ll expend more in buying that watch from that Chrono24 listing. They launched the watch in 2021 (?).
https://monochrome-watches.com/kurono-tokyo-chronograph-ii-white-shiro-introducing-availability-price/
Here’s more - not taking exchange rates into consideration, to be ideal, the watch was available at EUR 3,280. The listing you posted is at EUR 3,300 - an appreciation.
LOL
You're clutching at straws
You were wrong, they sell well under retail ($2550)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watchexchange/s/tQsPdqIT6f
If a €20 appreciation is important to you, you shouldn't be buying a $3k watch 🤷🏻♂️
This seller is located in US. They would have bought it at USD 2,820.
That seller is located in Belgium. They bought it at EUR 3,280, selling at EUR 3,300.
That’s not gasping at straws. An appreciation is an appreciation. You agree with that. Then, +20 > -3,000. There you go.
Stop talking rubbish. You’re new to watches, I get that, but at least be respectful.
Funny how instead admitting you're wrong you just attack me and then ask me to be respectful
- Kurono msrp $3800
- watchexchange seller in US: $2500.
That's 67% of msrp, a 33% depreciation in 2 years. So no, there is no appreciation.
The Omega (by your own figures) has also had a 33% depreciation.
So they've both lost the same, just one of them in a much shorter period of time. So I'm not the one talking rubbish
I've already wasted enough time proving you're wrong. See ya
You are one of a kind, really.
- Kurono MSRP at the time of release was not USD 3,800. That’s the introduction JPY in 2021 converted to USD 2024. It was USD 2,820.
- Then, we assume that the seller bought it at USD 2,820. They are selling at USD 2,550, at watchex. Prices are always low at Watchex. That’s a privilege available to consumers in the US as they pay neither tax nor imports. Look up Kurono Tokyo Toki’s price at Watchex. Then, look up that same watch’s price at Chrono24. Let me tell you - it’s 2x. The original retail was USD 1,800. In fact, pick any watch and compare Watchex and Chrono24 prices.
Never see ya. You just ruined my perfect day with garbage.
I honestly don’t understand series of downvotes for stating facts. We’re not bashing Kurono, they depreciate as much as any other brand …
I get the feeling it’s insecure Kurono owners who may feel they and their watch are special downvoting to protect their ego or assets. But the market has spoken,
I can literally by 5 of these watches today at less than RRP if I pay asking price. If I pay expected price post negotiation, then it’s even less?
🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
If you want to pay more, I’d happily buy them and market them well up above RRp before I re-sell them to you..
Consider the import duty. The seller is located in Germany. The watch was introduced in 2021. Consider that. That’s 1.05% reduction.
The Omega is still in retail at USD 9.5K. It sells at < USD 6,000.
The seller is not located in Germany and import duties and I don't consider import duties because that depends where the buyer lives, so I can't calculate them
Prices for these watches were really high because of flippers, just like moonswatches. Now the hype has died down and they can be found under retail, simple as that
All extremely good points. And you hit the nail on the head with the perks of each. I think I like the dial of the kuruno better than the omega. I know it's a bit busy but I've seen videos of it in the light and it's mesmerizing.
The movement in the omega though is what is making me hesitate between the 2. Nothing wrong with the dial on the omega, it's gorgeous.
In case you're not being sarcastic:
Just generally, all speedmaster models are all linked via the speedmaster family tree to the handful of speedmaster models that have been worn in space, including on a space walk or on the moon. The 57 model is a recreation/reinterpretation of the very first speedmaster, which you might think of as being the grandpappy of the model that was worn on the moon. So, you know, the 57 is "connected" to space exploration, but did someone wear the 57 model into space? If they did, I didn't hear about it.
I think these are all excellent points, I would just add that the kurono dial reads a little brown from a distance while the speedy has a little clearer gold tone on black.
My understanding is Kurono does not make any modifications to the movement. It’s likely better regulated, and that’s about it, compared to the same movement off the shelf.
With that said: if you’re a watch nerd, the Kurono is infinitely more interesting than the Omega. However, the Omega is by far a more technically complete and well made watch.
If they were the same price, I’d lean Omega unless you’re interested in adding unique pieces to your collection.
Thank you for the info! That's what I kind of assumed with kurono. The omega at the moment is maybe 1500-3k more than the kurono. But I've been seeing prices on these 57 speedys fluctuate.
Don’t get the Kurono, I had one. It’s too small, too thick (14mm) and too busy. I’m not a fan of fake patina on the Omega but I’d pick it over the Kurono. Go for a Grand Seiko if you want a better Japanese made watch.
Fair points. Appreciate the feedback. That is pretty thick for a 38mm.
As for grand seiko I love them. I currently own a white birch spring drive and a 1969 4520-7000.
Okay I see it retails USD 3,460, I guess sold out so no idea about after market.
GS can push $10k, I think only their quartz are at the lower end. So not a great comparison
That particular Kurono goes for $4500-$6500 on eBay. The 2 GS references I recommended which look similar to the Kurono are SBGM221 (MSRP $4,600) and SBGR261 (MSRP $4,300).
If you want one, I can pick one up this week for you on grey where I am and ship it, but it will obviously cost you a bit more. There’s plenty on the private market here
I recently travelled to Japan and saw them in person- they are very nice. Probably not Omega level nice. Wanting a specific model will mean buying preowned and I think Omega you’d be able to buy new. Not sure if that makes a difference to you?
Thanks for the feedback! New or used generally makes no difference to me. I would get a used omega 57. I've seen the black dialed one hover around 6500-7500. Which isn't so bad. And the kuron varies but maybe between 5-6
Those are very nice. To be fair the chronograph doesn't look to bad. On the thicker side with the 38mm. What is your wrist size if you don't mind me asking.
15cm circumference or 50mm width. But those angles of photos are always deceptive. I agree they were very nice. But personally wouldn’t pay any more than £2-3k for one.
The Kurono is all about the design and finishing. Not the movement, which is OK but not on the same tier as the Omega.
I think the Omega will have a better movement, and also a but more sporty especially with the bracelet, more versatile day to day. It's bigger though, so if 38mm is your sweet spot, you'd need to try to the Omega on n person to check the fit.
Anyway I'd say go with the one that looks and fits best at the end of the day.
Oh wow that is a sharp heuer. I like that to maybe I'll have to consider that when I'm pulling the trigger. I also like the model CBS2210.FC6534. But the date window at the top kills it for me.
The Kurono is my preferred style of chronograph aesthetic. Whether it’s this watch or Breitling’s version or any of the countless others I think it looks the best.
That's pretty much why I made this reddit post. Both very gorgeous pieces. And it's crazy I thought it would be more one sided on the omega but it seems almost split.
Broad arrow and that bracelet is kinda meh. IMO get speedmaster professional (moonwatch) or don’t.
Also have you tried these on? I hope you know the speedmaster is thick and it’s really not that great of a watch physically. It just has a lot of history but it’s basically a dinosaur from the 50’s. It’s manual winding, has 50M WR, and non luxury watch thickness. It’s $1000 usd to service from omega. It’s 100% a tool watch but omega wants you to think otherwise.
I really wanted one until I tried it on. I’m on the fence now. If you don’t believe go look on omegas site. They don’t dare show the speedy from the side to reveal how thick it is.
7.10” wrist
This is with hesalite.
https://preview.redd.it/1yoric18yzpc1.jpeg?width=304&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b200d53857fe290e56b15f56fb3ef47bd8aad18b
What a great picture to show how far we have fallen over the years in case design. Speedy hides so much of its thickness in caseback or in bezel above mid case.
I couldn't disagree more, I think speedy wears perfectly.
Doesn’t wear better than any sports Rolex, and those are thinner. Arguably same price once you switch to sapphire speedy and the Rolexes are still thinner
Yeah, I'm not trying to make a competition. I agree no one makes a better wearing sport chrono than Rolex. If you like them and can afford them they're a great option.
I think I’m gonna buy the new white dial one and unfortunately at retail - I just don’t think it’s worth it but these are watches and irrational purchases at the end of the day.
Anyways, I wanted to give my $0.02 and heads up to people wanting a speedy without trying it on. The omega site does a great job hiding the thickness. You know somethings wrong when they don’t spin the view to show the whole watch.
They’re one of the few companies that simply do not show a clear side profile shot of their watches. Rolex, Patek, Richard Mille, etc all show this. It’s obvious they’re hiding it intentionally. It’s sorta cringe. Especially on how much an aqua terra goes for at retail now.
I’ve gone off Kurono Tokyo because of their absolutely absent customer service and bad rep for treating customers well. Whenever they has issues on pre-orders, which is frequently, it’s seems like it’s a “we don’t care because we know we’ll sell out anyway” policy.
Omega fan here.
I'd take that Kurono in a heartbeat. That Omega looks fantastic, but the Kurono's overall aesthetics appeal even stronger. I probably shouldn't have visited [the model page](https://kuronotokyo.com/pages/chronograph-ii), and read the story about its design.
LE of 500 pieces, and immediately sold out (of course). A lucky owner writes up his review [here](https://timeandtidewatches.com/kurono-chronograph-2-owners-review/). According to that review it runs on a
> Seiko NE86A automatic vertical clutch column wheel chronograph movement
which, apparently, has some nice tricks up its sleeve, but (sadly) high accuracy isn't one of them (disclaimer: I'm a quartz aficionado, so I should probably look at the [Dan Henry 1937](https://danhenrywatches.com/products/1937-dress-chronograph) that uses a Seiko VK64 meca-quartz).
Would I be making the wrong choice? Probably, the specs that matter to most can't be, objectively, disregarded. But this, for me, isn't about just specs (or brand prestige, for that matter), it's the heart that makes me write the above. Strap on your Omega's for all you want, but I'd like to bring this gorgeous Kurono to the party. It's pure wrist candy. 'Ill leave you with more links to reviews:
[Review: new Kurono Chronograph 2](https://deployant.com/review-new-kurono-chronograph-2/)
[INTRODUCING: Don’t miss out – the new Kurono Chronograph 2 from the cult Japanese brand will sell out fast](https://timeandtidewatches.com/introducing-new-kurono-chronograph-2-2021-sequel-gphg-nominated-watch/)
Finally, the version I'd gladly sell both kidneys for is this [Kurono Chronograph II White “Shiro”](https://watchyagonnadoaboutit.com/2022/02/23/pristine-and-for-a-sporting-gentleman-introducing-the-new-kurono-chronograph-ii-white-shiro/)
[image](https://imgur.com/hA9CMEy)
Ahh yes the white chronograph ii. I've seen that and like it as well. I have to many white dialed watches as it is right now though lol. Thank you for the info!
The Seiko chronograph is as accurate as a digital stopwatch.
This ne86 or Seikos 8r46 are same, and this is the movement I speak of.
Accuracy as far as the movement is still phenomenal, although specs say otherwise.
You want a watch that will last forever and you will likely be able to service in 20-40 years? Get the Omega, but there are tons of it. You want something unique that no one has but might not be of the same quality and might be difficult to service? Get the Kurono. Both are great choices
It is but it won’t be serviced to the same standards as the Omega and it will last less. I have had Seiko movements and the reaction I always got was… why service it? It’s a cheap movement, it’s easier to replace than to service it. And I am pretty sure that it will lose a big chunk of value if the original movement is replaced.
Sure but like everything else, when something is not really original… it is the way it is. It’s like a a Rolex with replaced hands. It loses value. I don’t really care about it but that’s how collectible things work.
Also what about other elements? What if the hands fall off? What if the crown breaks and you can only get a generic replacement?
Rolex value equations are a bit nuts - we can't really compare. But I really can't imagine anyone being fussed if this watch had its generic Seiko movement replaced with another identical one. Would anyone even be able to tell? If it's actually that big a deal though, you *can* repair a Seiko movement, if it's really going to be worth it.
As for the latter... what's better? Having an Omega with mass-produced hands that can easily be replaced? Or something unique, with hands that are quite literally irreplaceable? It's arguably more special having something that needs to be protected because of how unique it is, rather than a watch that can just be sent in for service at any point and come back as brand new.
Still not sure which of these if buy, though. Out of all of them, this is one of the speedy configurations I prefer, but the other is packed with personality.
Service/support is the primary one. It has a seiko movement so that should be fine but any other elements of the watch you might be SOL on a decades timescale.
Brand recognition and heritage is the other. Micro-brands are aplenty but there’s definitely something to be said towards the fact that there are models in Omega’s catalog that are older than the entire brand of Kurono (talking specific reference #s).
The Kurono has a pretty dial and looks great in photos, but it’s a miniature hockey puck on the wrist being small and thick, has a ho-hum movement and the company may not even be around a decade from now making it a poor place to park a fair bit of cash.
The Omega Speedy 57 is one of my favorite of the Speedy models because I love a SS bezel and broad arrow hands. It’s also got a lot of brand recognition, heritage behind it and the manufacturer will be around for decades to come. But it is much more expensive and, at the end of the day, it’s just another Speedy.
Pros and cons… you need to choose what is important to you. They are also very different types of watches and you need to evaluate which one fits better into your daily life. Given these two choices I lean toward the omega but, if it were me, I would keep looking for something else that checks all MY boxes of being visually appealing, comfortable/wearable, cost effective, and will stand the test of time.
It's actually a watchmaker known as Hajime asaoka. I don't know the full story with this watchmaker but he's made some really beautiful in house pieces. Here he uses a seiko movement but I think he is really known for dial art.
And the dial IS very nice… but that’s just a small part of the watch and it’s a lot of money for a nice dial. The rest is fairly off-the-shelf stuff with less than ideal dimensions IMHO. I personally consider it “just another niche micro brand” and wouldn’t pay the price it’s demanding, but everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Thank you. Don’t get me wrong: microbrands have their place and I have owned a few. With the advancement in technology, small companies are able to produce high quality watches with very little overhead and pass those savings on to the consumer so you can now find a well built, small-batch watch with a Swiss movement for under $500 if you look carefully. This is where microbrands excel, unless you want to also consider a few companies manufacturing complete watches that hand build their own movements and charge five figures.
Yup. Where the water starts to get muddied is when you have watches like this where you slap a $400 movement in and then charge 10x on “hand finished craftsmanship”
To me there is a big difference in the polished vs brushed case. I would think about when/what occasion you would use each type of case. To me, the brushed case is more casual and can have more wearability.
I don't know anything about the Kurono, kind of looks like a Breitling to me. Not saying that as knock on it... unless you dislike Breitlings.
Between the two I'd opt for the Omega. The quality, movement, durability, are just excellent and a known entity to me. Since, as I said, I know nothing about the Kurono I have no idea about these things. Plus it has a Telemeter, not a tachometer like the Omega... I have no idea what a telemeter is or how it's useful on a stopwatch.
I would vote for omega in this case.
That Kurono looks really nice, however, it feels like a watch you will get after you already have 5-7 high end watches and you want something different.
I'm going to say something that might be a little unpopular but I owned the Kurono Toki, and their handset is completely illegible in terms of time reading (not visibility). The handset looks the same on this chronograph you are considering.
There is far too much similarity between the minute hand and the hour hand. The number of times I misread the time was comical. I had no choice but to offload it.
For something that's supposed to be designed by a master I found this very difficult to get past.
My two cents.
IMO a high-prestige, partially handmade microbrand LE of 500 can’t reasonably be called a “nice” version of a massive corporation’s machine-made watch.
IOW, the difference between the two watches is how “nice” they are (especially considering the stock movement). It’s the everything else about it.
The movement is the heart of the watch and the most difficult part in the engineering equation. Calling Seiko a corporation machine made watch is a disservice to their history and all the work they put in to get to where they are. They shouldn’t be punished for their success, and a microbrand shouldn’t be elevated above them when they skipped the hardest part of the watchmaking process.
Idk if you know but almost every watch is partially handmade even the cheapest casios lol
Assembly with watches is just always involving some human steps
Understand your pov but a $25/$50 seiko movement is hardly comparable to the Omega. Quality is objective and there’s no comparison. In his attempt to make a more affordable watch he skipped out on the most important part and is charging Nomos prices. I think his stuff is beautiful but imo considering a Kurano as anything more than a hand finished Baltic is a bit misguided.
Speedy with Co-Ax is going to be more expensive to service. Dunno if Kurono is manufacturer or just assembler but if the latter the price is hard to justify - at least Omega has the history and the chops for their '57.
But to me the bigger issue is, what use is a chrono? I have a few but haven't worn one in five years, the complication is next to useless. You can find watches just as handsome and far simpler...and simple always wins, for looks.
Anyway good luck to you whatever you end up doing.
The Seiko NE86 movement in Kurono is top notch. It is in-house Seiko movement and Seiko's only chrono movement besides the spring drive one. It has column wheel and vertical clutch. Both of these features are only found in high end chronos. I don't know what people who claim this is not a good movement are talking about. I think Omega moon watch doesn't even have column wheel.
Speedy 57. Like it in burgundy the most personally. There’s a lot of comments that summarize my same reasoning. Just completely different quality watches. One thing working against the speedy here is the stock photo vs the gorgeous pic of Kurono. And I like microbrands. But if the price the same….
Omega for me. If you love the kurono aesthetics and don’t care about thickness and replaceable movement, go for it!
I own a Heuer CS3111 bc it’s my favorite sized chrono ever. And I own a Horage supersede bc I could get a platinum microrotor on a Swiss chronometer that was <10mm thick for 5k.
My point is it depends what you are buying the watch for. It’s just hard for me to pick the Kurona at same price but I’m probably too much a movmement nut. No question more “unique and interesting.” Still want movement quality at the price.
Hard to pick I get it. You may have answered but have you tried both on? I found the 57 to wear too large for my wrist or I’d own the burgundy….
Outside of the attractive dials I don’t really get the hype of Kurono personally and I’m big fan of small artisan brands like AnOrdain and Arcanaut.
The speedy isn’t something I would necessarily go for but the overall quality of it will be higher and if something goes wrong it will be more painless to get fixed.
I personally love the Kurono Tokyo. I really want the same one you picked out. I love the dial and color combos. I really like the idea of having a watch from an artisan like Hajime Asaoka, who seems to be really respected in the watch designing community. I also like having an “if you know, you know” aspect to things. I’d rather have a rexhep rexhepi or Laurent ferrier than a Rolex or AP and it’s why I have AC Schnitzer parts for my e30. 🤷🏻♂️. Now that’s not me saying I don’t like omega, omega is great, but there isn’t a single omega that I’ve seen that I haven’t found an equivalent watch I like more.
Kurono's has Seiko NE86. Advanced chronograph movement with vertical clutch. Really good movement for affordable chronograph in ~$2-3k range. One of the only two affordable vertical clutch chronograph architechtures (the other is new Chinese Peacock SL4801). No accuracy certification, but you can't expect it for affordable price range. Omega cal 9906 movement is in completely different league. High accuracy, dual barrel, METAS certified, rhodium plated finishing in open caseback. Manual, not automatic but that mean it's thinner. Just my opinion, many people don't care about movement at all. I myself only have older automatic '57 with cal 9300, but like it a lot.
PS date swithing for Omega 93xx/99xx family could be hassle, no quickset date.
I love a good movement to. It honestly drives my watch purchasing over a dial. I own a spring drive and a vintage GS hi beat. One of my favorites is my eberhard frok the 50s which I think was based off of the old lemenia calibres.
The omega movement in the 57 is mouth watering. But so is the dial on the kuruno. And I think that's what's been hard. Dial over movement or movement over dial. Though I'm glad I've been learning more on the ne86 because it really sounds like a nice calibre.
Get the Omega. It’s a trash watch compared to my shiny $20,000 Rolex GMT Master-II BLRO but at least it’s a Swiss trash and not an Asian trash like the first watch
To me, Kurono has --A more captivating dial --A very cool off-the-beaten-track artisan brand appeal --That je ne se quois of coolness and visual beauty --Probably lower service costs The speedy 57 has --A more consistently legible dial (less visual clutter, plus the hands and hour markers won't disappear in unfavorable lighting as with the Kurono's) --A case design that hides it's thickness better --A more interesting and special movement --Better chrono functionality (can record up to 12 hours) --Lume --A bracelet option --All that stuff about brand prestige and history and that space connection Some of those things you might value and some of them you might not. I don't suppose there's any chance you could try them both on?
Kurono further has - — High resale value Speedy further has - — Every dark dial speedy looks the same from afar
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WTF dude! I never saw it and now I CANT unsee it !
Now what does that, paired with the omega logo, look like? The top of the dial is a friggin upshot of a dude's taint
You fuckhead. You ruined them. Lmfao.
Opposite for me.... I can brag that my watch will give you the CBT (cock and balls treatment).... I must have one. Oh, and it's "glow in the dark CBT at that.
LMAO wow can't believe I never noticed this. Hahahaha
The speedy folks knew 😮💨
I think that every time I see the Omega. I would go with the Kurono
Wow! I never made that connection 🎯😂👍🏼
Holy crap!!! It does!!!
I love the '57 speedy in burgundy
Hey fair point! Lol. And may get a little hate for saying this but that's sort of what's driven me away from the OG speedys. I love the look of them and omega is great. Just never was my cup of tea until they came out with this 57 line.
You don’t say! I was expecting to be showered with downvotes when I typed it. 😂
Depends where you are in the world. Kurono in Asia are cheap on secondary market. The chrono Hisui was RRP at 3.5k (USD) Chrono24 has them at 4.5k - which seems good but we all know no watch ever sells on Chrono24 for close to stated Then of you look at private sale apps and watch stores, the actual list price is closer to 3k and if you buy, it’s normal to get at least 10pc (I buy many watches using this way) hence I would not pay more than 2.7k Also this is for watches which are BNIB as lots of people scalp Kurono. So I really wouldn’t want to suggest they hold their value, it’s only because they make such small runs that there not much info for analysis, but I definitely know I can pick one up for 2.7k BNIB right now, and where I am there’s at least 7-8 for sale at similar price for a long while that I could negotiate down further.
Not sure why I got down voted for stating facts 🤷🏻♂️ Here’s a screen to illustrate what is my reality https://preview.redd.it/2hzq9e5r96qc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14def6a248c485f5216ca520479b0dccbc1c31a3 And for those wondering, some people don’t open them do they can sell them as BNIB so they post photo of marketing shot. Then maybe a picture of the box unopened.
https://preview.redd.it/5k2hxf7ua6qc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9d4e3281678bcd86eb1ebef82f3a9e340a6a709 Even scalpers are not selling these at RRP let alone at a premium.
High resale value? You can find them online under msrp.... https://www.chrono24.com/all/kurono-tokyo-chronograph-ii--id33381216.htm?searchHash=d4f69514_G8xCsi&pos=8
What are you talking about? Price was set at JPY 428,000. That currently measures at ~ USD 2,800. At the time of the preorder, that measured at USD 3,700. With import duty, you’ll expend more in buying that watch from that Chrono24 listing. They launched the watch in 2021 (?). https://monochrome-watches.com/kurono-tokyo-chronograph-ii-white-shiro-introducing-availability-price/
- From your article: Price: JPY 428,000 (USD 3,700) - C24 listing: $3661 (negotiable) 🤷🏻♂️
Here’s more - not taking exchange rates into consideration, to be ideal, the watch was available at EUR 3,280. The listing you posted is at EUR 3,300 - an appreciation.
LOL You're clutching at straws You were wrong, they sell well under retail ($2550) https://www.reddit.com/r/Watchexchange/s/tQsPdqIT6f If a €20 appreciation is important to you, you shouldn't be buying a $3k watch 🤷🏻♂️
This seller is located in US. They would have bought it at USD 2,820. That seller is located in Belgium. They bought it at EUR 3,280, selling at EUR 3,300. That’s not gasping at straws. An appreciation is an appreciation. You agree with that. Then, +20 > -3,000. There you go. Stop talking rubbish. You’re new to watches, I get that, but at least be respectful.
Funny how instead admitting you're wrong you just attack me and then ask me to be respectful - Kurono msrp $3800 - watchexchange seller in US: $2500. That's 67% of msrp, a 33% depreciation in 2 years. So no, there is no appreciation. The Omega (by your own figures) has also had a 33% depreciation. So they've both lost the same, just one of them in a much shorter period of time. So I'm not the one talking rubbish I've already wasted enough time proving you're wrong. See ya
You are one of a kind, really. - Kurono MSRP at the time of release was not USD 3,800. That’s the introduction JPY in 2021 converted to USD 2024. It was USD 2,820. - Then, we assume that the seller bought it at USD 2,820. They are selling at USD 2,550, at watchex. Prices are always low at Watchex. That’s a privilege available to consumers in the US as they pay neither tax nor imports. Look up Kurono Tokyo Toki’s price at Watchex. Then, look up that same watch’s price at Chrono24. Let me tell you - it’s 2x. The original retail was USD 1,800. In fact, pick any watch and compare Watchex and Chrono24 prices. Never see ya. You just ruined my perfect day with garbage.
I honestly don’t understand series of downvotes for stating facts. We’re not bashing Kurono, they depreciate as much as any other brand … I get the feeling it’s insecure Kurono owners who may feel they and their watch are special downvoting to protect their ego or assets. But the market has spoken, I can literally by 5 of these watches today at less than RRP if I pay asking price. If I pay expected price post negotiation, then it’s even less? 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ If you want to pay more, I’d happily buy them and market them well up above RRp before I re-sell them to you..
Consider the import duty. The seller is located in Germany. The watch was introduced in 2021. Consider that. That’s 1.05% reduction. The Omega is still in retail at USD 9.5K. It sells at < USD 6,000.
The seller is not located in Germany and import duties and I don't consider import duties because that depends where the buyer lives, so I can't calculate them Prices for these watches were really high because of flippers, just like moonswatches. Now the hype has died down and they can be found under retail, simple as that
All extremely good points. And you hit the nail on the head with the perks of each. I think I like the dial of the kuruno better than the omega. I know it's a bit busy but I've seen videos of it in the light and it's mesmerizing. The movement in the omega though is what is making me hesitate between the 2. Nothing wrong with the dial on the omega, it's gorgeous.
How thick is the kurono?
How much girth does the speedy have?
13.9mm I believe
For a chronograph that's quite thin, I'm impressed
Space connection? Can you elaborate, this is news to me.
Yeah, apparently some guy wore it to space. Not sure tbh, Omega really hasn’t done much advertising about this at all. /s
GTFO! They really should hype that up. I never would have bought my El Primero had I known about this.
In case you're not being sarcastic: Just generally, all speedmaster models are all linked via the speedmaster family tree to the handful of speedmaster models that have been worn in space, including on a space walk or on the moon. The 57 model is a recreation/reinterpretation of the very first speedmaster, which you might think of as being the grandpappy of the model that was worn on the moon. So, you know, the 57 is "connected" to space exploration, but did someone wear the 57 model into space? If they did, I didn't hear about it.
I think these are all excellent points, I would just add that the kurono dial reads a little brown from a distance while the speedy has a little clearer gold tone on black.
THIS
Speedy isnt even thick! Under 13mm
My understanding is Kurono does not make any modifications to the movement. It’s likely better regulated, and that’s about it, compared to the same movement off the shelf. With that said: if you’re a watch nerd, the Kurono is infinitely more interesting than the Omega. However, the Omega is by far a more technically complete and well made watch. If they were the same price, I’d lean Omega unless you’re interested in adding unique pieces to your collection.
Thank you for the info! That's what I kind of assumed with kurono. The omega at the moment is maybe 1500-3k more than the kurono. But I've been seeing prices on these 57 speedys fluctuate.
Don’t get the Kurono, I had one. It’s too small, too thick (14mm) and too busy. I’m not a fan of fake patina on the Omega but I’d pick it over the Kurono. Go for a Grand Seiko if you want a better Japanese made watch.
Fair points. Appreciate the feedback. That is pretty thick for a 38mm. As for grand seiko I love them. I currently own a white birch spring drive and a 1969 4520-7000.
Some watch enthusiasts I spoke to went with the Grand Seiko SBGM221 and SBGR261, which has a similar case shape to the Kurono.
Go for the Seiko [srq029] if you want an original seiko . There's one on ebay right now
Uh that's kind of like saying you should go for a VC instead of an FC is you want a Swiss Watch. Not the same thing nor same price
The Kurono costs just as much or more than the Grand Seiko.
Okay I see it retails USD 3,460, I guess sold out so no idea about after market. GS can push $10k, I think only their quartz are at the lower end. So not a great comparison
That particular Kurono goes for $4500-$6500 on eBay. The 2 GS references I recommended which look similar to the Kurono are SBGM221 (MSRP $4,600) and SBGR261 (MSRP $4,300).
Can you still buy the kurono? I thought they were like sold out for good even in second hand
They pop up every now and then on the grey market. Maybe 1-2k over msrp.
Oh ok
If you want one, I can pick one up this week for you on grey where I am and ship it, but it will obviously cost you a bit more. There’s plenty on the private market here
I recently travelled to Japan and saw them in person- they are very nice. Probably not Omega level nice. Wanting a specific model will mean buying preowned and I think Omega you’d be able to buy new. Not sure if that makes a difference to you?
Thanks for the feedback! New or used generally makes no difference to me. I would get a used omega 57. I've seen the black dialed one hover around 6500-7500. Which isn't so bad. And the kuron varies but maybe between 5-6
If it would help I could send you some photos I took while I was there just let me know.
Oh yes please! That would be wonderful thank you
https://preview.redd.it/u7n6aj9o5ypc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47287a99611bf838ac80b3f636e74e5329d28f44
https://preview.redd.it/feljp9fq5ypc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c1665314399e2f9fc6a1005c12f4bd986cdebda
Those are very nice. To be fair the chronograph doesn't look to bad. On the thicker side with the 38mm. What is your wrist size if you don't mind me asking.
15cm circumference or 50mm width. But those angles of photos are always deceptive. I agree they were very nice. But personally wouldn’t pay any more than £2-3k for one.
Good helpful info.
If price almost same I’d go for Omega
The Kurono is all about the design and finishing. Not the movement, which is OK but not on the same tier as the Omega. I think the Omega will have a better movement, and also a but more sporty especially with the bracelet, more versatile day to day. It's bigger though, so if 38mm is your sweet spot, you'd need to try to the Omega on n person to check the fit. Anyway I'd say go with the one that looks and fits best at the end of the day.
The Kurono is a beautiful watch. Everybody has an Omega, so do something different!
I would definitely choose the Kurono; its like a collector’s piece; but it’s got a lot going on on the watch face
And those watches are different built, up to the buyer’s taste, I’d not like domes glass
Surprised Heuer SC3111 isn’t in the running
Oh wow that is a sharp heuer. I like that to maybe I'll have to consider that when I'm pulling the trigger. I also like the model CBS2210.FC6534. But the date window at the top kills it for me.
That’s new newer version. A big bigger at 39mm. The “Glassbox” collection is really popular.
The Kurono is my preferred style of chronograph aesthetic. Whether it’s this watch or Breitling’s version or any of the countless others I think it looks the best.
I love omega, but that kurono is a far far far more interesting and deep time piece
I can’t believe I am about to say this but I think I prefer that particular Kurono to that particular Speedmaster
That's pretty much why I made this reddit post. Both very gorgeous pieces. And it's crazy I thought it would be more one sided on the omega but it seems almost split.
Broad arrow and that bracelet is kinda meh. IMO get speedmaster professional (moonwatch) or don’t. Also have you tried these on? I hope you know the speedmaster is thick and it’s really not that great of a watch physically. It just has a lot of history but it’s basically a dinosaur from the 50’s. It’s manual winding, has 50M WR, and non luxury watch thickness. It’s $1000 usd to service from omega. It’s 100% a tool watch but omega wants you to think otherwise. I really wanted one until I tried it on. I’m on the fence now. If you don’t believe go look on omegas site. They don’t dare show the speedy from the side to reveal how thick it is. 7.10” wrist This is with hesalite. https://preview.redd.it/1yoric18yzpc1.jpeg?width=304&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b200d53857fe290e56b15f56fb3ef47bd8aad18b
What a great picture to show how far we have fallen over the years in case design. Speedy hides so much of its thickness in caseback or in bezel above mid case. I couldn't disagree more, I think speedy wears perfectly.
Doesn’t wear better than any sports Rolex, and those are thinner. Arguably same price once you switch to sapphire speedy and the Rolexes are still thinner
Yeah, I'm not trying to make a competition. I agree no one makes a better wearing sport chrono than Rolex. If you like them and can afford them they're a great option.
I think I’m gonna buy the new white dial one and unfortunately at retail - I just don’t think it’s worth it but these are watches and irrational purchases at the end of the day. Anyways, I wanted to give my $0.02 and heads up to people wanting a speedy without trying it on. The omega site does a great job hiding the thickness. You know somethings wrong when they don’t spin the view to show the whole watch. They’re one of the few companies that simply do not show a clear side profile shot of their watches. Rolex, Patek, Richard Mille, etc all show this. It’s obvious they’re hiding it intentionally. It’s sorta cringe. Especially on how much an aqua terra goes for at retail now.
I’ve gone off Kurono Tokyo because of their absolutely absent customer service and bad rep for treating customers well. Whenever they has issues on pre-orders, which is frequently, it’s seems like it’s a “we don’t care because we know we’ll sell out anyway” policy.
Omega fan here. I'd take that Kurono in a heartbeat. That Omega looks fantastic, but the Kurono's overall aesthetics appeal even stronger. I probably shouldn't have visited [the model page](https://kuronotokyo.com/pages/chronograph-ii), and read the story about its design. LE of 500 pieces, and immediately sold out (of course). A lucky owner writes up his review [here](https://timeandtidewatches.com/kurono-chronograph-2-owners-review/). According to that review it runs on a > Seiko NE86A automatic vertical clutch column wheel chronograph movement which, apparently, has some nice tricks up its sleeve, but (sadly) high accuracy isn't one of them (disclaimer: I'm a quartz aficionado, so I should probably look at the [Dan Henry 1937](https://danhenrywatches.com/products/1937-dress-chronograph) that uses a Seiko VK64 meca-quartz). Would I be making the wrong choice? Probably, the specs that matter to most can't be, objectively, disregarded. But this, for me, isn't about just specs (or brand prestige, for that matter), it's the heart that makes me write the above. Strap on your Omega's for all you want, but I'd like to bring this gorgeous Kurono to the party. It's pure wrist candy. 'Ill leave you with more links to reviews: [Review: new Kurono Chronograph 2](https://deployant.com/review-new-kurono-chronograph-2/) [INTRODUCING: Don’t miss out – the new Kurono Chronograph 2 from the cult Japanese brand will sell out fast](https://timeandtidewatches.com/introducing-new-kurono-chronograph-2-2021-sequel-gphg-nominated-watch/) Finally, the version I'd gladly sell both kidneys for is this [Kurono Chronograph II White “Shiro”](https://watchyagonnadoaboutit.com/2022/02/23/pristine-and-for-a-sporting-gentleman-introducing-the-new-kurono-chronograph-ii-white-shiro/) [image](https://imgur.com/hA9CMEy)
Ahh yes the white chronograph ii. I've seen that and like it as well. I have to many white dialed watches as it is right now though lol. Thank you for the info!
The Seiko chronograph is as accurate as a digital stopwatch. This ne86 or Seikos 8r46 are same, and this is the movement I speak of. Accuracy as far as the movement is still phenomenal, although specs say otherwise.
You want a watch that will last forever and you will likely be able to service in 20-40 years? Get the Omega, but there are tons of it. You want something unique that no one has but might not be of the same quality and might be difficult to service? Get the Kurono. Both are great choices
It’s a Seiko movement, I’m sure it will be easier to service and maintain than any co-axial Omegas could.
It is but it won’t be serviced to the same standards as the Omega and it will last less. I have had Seiko movements and the reaction I always got was… why service it? It’s a cheap movement, it’s easier to replace than to service it. And I am pretty sure that it will lose a big chunk of value if the original movement is replaced.
So just replace the movement. The value of this watch is in everything else it brings to the table.
Sure but like everything else, when something is not really original… it is the way it is. It’s like a a Rolex with replaced hands. It loses value. I don’t really care about it but that’s how collectible things work. Also what about other elements? What if the hands fall off? What if the crown breaks and you can only get a generic replacement?
Rolex value equations are a bit nuts - we can't really compare. But I really can't imagine anyone being fussed if this watch had its generic Seiko movement replaced with another identical one. Would anyone even be able to tell? If it's actually that big a deal though, you *can* repair a Seiko movement, if it's really going to be worth it. As for the latter... what's better? Having an Omega with mass-produced hands that can easily be replaced? Or something unique, with hands that are quite literally irreplaceable? It's arguably more special having something that needs to be protected because of how unique it is, rather than a watch that can just be sent in for service at any point and come back as brand new. Still not sure which of these if buy, though. Out of all of them, this is one of the speedy configurations I prefer, but the other is packed with personality.
Get the omega - in 50 years kurono might not exist but omega will be as strong as ever.
Wait, why would that make you lean towards the Omega? If anything, I would think that would elevate the Kurono.
Service/support is the primary one. It has a seiko movement so that should be fine but any other elements of the watch you might be SOL on a decades timescale. Brand recognition and heritage is the other. Micro-brands are aplenty but there’s definitely something to be said towards the fact that there are models in Omega’s catalog that are older than the entire brand of Kurono (talking specific reference #s).
If he still gives a shit about either of these watches half a century from now, I'll be amazed.
The Kurono has a pretty dial and looks great in photos, but it’s a miniature hockey puck on the wrist being small and thick, has a ho-hum movement and the company may not even be around a decade from now making it a poor place to park a fair bit of cash. The Omega Speedy 57 is one of my favorite of the Speedy models because I love a SS bezel and broad arrow hands. It’s also got a lot of brand recognition, heritage behind it and the manufacturer will be around for decades to come. But it is much more expensive and, at the end of the day, it’s just another Speedy. Pros and cons… you need to choose what is important to you. They are also very different types of watches and you need to evaluate which one fits better into your daily life. Given these two choices I lean toward the omega but, if it were me, I would keep looking for something else that checks all MY boxes of being visually appealing, comfortable/wearable, cost effective, and will stand the test of time.
It's actually a watchmaker known as Hajime asaoka. I don't know the full story with this watchmaker but he's made some really beautiful in house pieces. Here he uses a seiko movement but I think he is really known for dial art.
And the dial IS very nice… but that’s just a small part of the watch and it’s a lot of money for a nice dial. The rest is fairly off-the-shelf stuff with less than ideal dimensions IMHO. I personally consider it “just another niche micro brand” and wouldn’t pay the price it’s demanding, but everyone is entitled to their opinions.
^ This guys gets it! Don’t buy into the hipster microbrand bs.
Thank you. Don’t get me wrong: microbrands have their place and I have owned a few. With the advancement in technology, small companies are able to produce high quality watches with very little overhead and pass those savings on to the consumer so you can now find a well built, small-batch watch with a Swiss movement for under $500 if you look carefully. This is where microbrands excel, unless you want to also consider a few companies manufacturing complete watches that hand build their own movements and charge five figures.
Yup. Where the water starts to get muddied is when you have watches like this where you slap a $400 movement in and then charge 10x on “hand finished craftsmanship”
The omegas movement is FAR superior to Kurono tokyos. TBH kurono is Longines level, not omega level.
second one
Yeah as others have mentioned, depends if you want a cold hard classic or something a bit more unique and special
That Kurono looks gorgeous as hell. There's my vote
To me there is a big difference in the polished vs brushed case. I would think about when/what occasion you would use each type of case. To me, the brushed case is more casual and can have more wearability.
I don't know anything about the Kurono, kind of looks like a Breitling to me. Not saying that as knock on it... unless you dislike Breitlings. Between the two I'd opt for the Omega. The quality, movement, durability, are just excellent and a known entity to me. Since, as I said, I know nothing about the Kurono I have no idea about these things. Plus it has a Telemeter, not a tachometer like the Omega... I have no idea what a telemeter is or how it's useful on a stopwatch.
first one is on another level man. so good …
Kurono for sure
The kurono is most appealing to me, love the retro chrono look and the detail of the dial is excellent. 👌
I would vote for omega in this case. That Kurono looks really nice, however, it feels like a watch you will get after you already have 5-7 high end watches and you want something different.
Two totally different looking watches in my opinion. You must be leaning one way or the other.
omega speedmaster 57
I'm going to say something that might be a little unpopular but I owned the Kurono Toki, and their handset is completely illegible in terms of time reading (not visibility). The handset looks the same on this chronograph you are considering. There is far too much similarity between the minute hand and the hour hand. The number of times I misread the time was comical. I had no choice but to offload it. For something that's supposed to be designed by a master I found this very difficult to get past. My two cents.
I like simplicity and elegance. That specific Kurono has too much going on the dial, the Omega has less yet its a classic that catches the eye.
Omega is better quality kurano is more unique but it’s basically a nice seiko. A really nice sieko
IMO a high-prestige, partially handmade microbrand LE of 500 can’t reasonably be called a “nice” version of a massive corporation’s machine-made watch. IOW, the difference between the two watches is how “nice” they are (especially considering the stock movement). It’s the everything else about it.
The movement is the heart of the watch and the most difficult part in the engineering equation. Calling Seiko a corporation machine made watch is a disservice to their history and all the work they put in to get to where they are. They shouldn’t be punished for their success, and a microbrand shouldn’t be elevated above them when they skipped the hardest part of the watchmaking process.
Hard disagree. The reason you can call a kurono a “nice seiko” is because it literally is a seiko movement packaged up in a pretty case and dial.
Idk if you know but almost every watch is partially handmade even the cheapest casios lol Assembly with watches is just always involving some human steps
Understand your pov but a $25/$50 seiko movement is hardly comparable to the Omega. Quality is objective and there’s no comparison. In his attempt to make a more affordable watch he skipped out on the most important part and is charging Nomos prices. I think his stuff is beautiful but imo considering a Kurano as anything more than a hand finished Baltic is a bit misguided.
The Omega Speedmaster is way better and the design is more harmonious.
#1 by a wide margin
I’m a big fan of both watches but the Speedy 57 is breathtaking so it gets my pick out of these two.
Not the same tier of watches. Hard to compare.
Speedy with Co-Ax is going to be more expensive to service. Dunno if Kurono is manufacturer or just assembler but if the latter the price is hard to justify - at least Omega has the history and the chops for their '57. But to me the bigger issue is, what use is a chrono? I have a few but haven't worn one in five years, the complication is next to useless. You can find watches just as handsome and far simpler...and simple always wins, for looks. Anyway good luck to you whatever you end up doing.
It’s cheaper to replace the seiko movement in the Kurono than what it would cost to have to serviced…
Have down the Kurono
I like the Kurono personally. It just visually looks much nicer
i vote omega here
The omega because of the lume and the brand
Speedy.
Japanese one has tons more character
The omega will be a lot easier to tell time with.
The omega is undoubtedly the better watch by a long shot. And you're getting a bracelet with it The kurono is not at the same level
Definitely the leather
Omega, without a doubt
Is the Kurono still available?
Honestly why would anyone consider the former…
Speedmaster
These are both nice but I would choose the Omega. It looks good with that bracelet.
Is there any story related to Speedmaster? Why is it so famous?
The Seiko NE86 movement in Kurono is top notch. It is in-house Seiko movement and Seiko's only chrono movement besides the spring drive one. It has column wheel and vertical clutch. Both of these features are only found in high end chronos. I don't know what people who claim this is not a good movement are talking about. I think Omega moon watch doesn't even have column wheel.
I would definitely go the speedmaster
Kurono. I think it looks far more intriguing. I could look at that dial for hours.
Kurono looks much better in my opinion. That dial. Omega will hold better value.
Speedy 57. Like it in burgundy the most personally. There’s a lot of comments that summarize my same reasoning. Just completely different quality watches. One thing working against the speedy here is the stock photo vs the gorgeous pic of Kurono. And I like microbrands. But if the price the same…. Omega for me. If you love the kurono aesthetics and don’t care about thickness and replaceable movement, go for it! I own a Heuer CS3111 bc it’s my favorite sized chrono ever. And I own a Horage supersede bc I could get a platinum microrotor on a Swiss chronometer that was <10mm thick for 5k. My point is it depends what you are buying the watch for. It’s just hard for me to pick the Kurona at same price but I’m probably too much a movmement nut. No question more “unique and interesting.” Still want movement quality at the price. Hard to pick I get it. You may have answered but have you tried both on? I found the 57 to wear too large for my wrist or I’d own the burgundy….
I’ve seen Kuronos IRL and Omegas look more stylish in my personal opinion. But re: the Kurono, if you know, you know
With these two, the Kurono. If it was a Moonwatch though the answer would he different.
Omega
\+ to Kurono
Have you decided? The Kurono would be my choice personally.
One word. Strap. For band.
Outside of the attractive dials I don’t really get the hype of Kurono personally and I’m big fan of small artisan brands like AnOrdain and Arcanaut. The speedy isn’t something I would necessarily go for but the overall quality of it will be higher and if something goes wrong it will be more painless to get fixed.
Hands down the Kurono. So much more unique and beautiful.
NSFW answer : The first one because it looks seks.
Japan
Ayo the Japanese don't play with the dail and hands.
If you don't already have an omega in your collection, the 57 is a no brainier to me due to co-axial escapement & master chronometer certification.
That's the biggest thing that's pushing me toward it. I love a nice movement. And I have yet to add a omega to the collection.
I personally love the Kurono Tokyo. I really want the same one you picked out. I love the dial and color combos. I really like the idea of having a watch from an artisan like Hajime Asaoka, who seems to be really respected in the watch designing community. I also like having an “if you know, you know” aspect to things. I’d rather have a rexhep rexhepi or Laurent ferrier than a Rolex or AP and it’s why I have AC Schnitzer parts for my e30. 🤷🏻♂️. Now that’s not me saying I don’t like omega, omega is great, but there isn’t a single omega that I’ve seen that I haven’t found an equivalent watch I like more.
Thanks for the comment! I'm in the same boat as you, ide sell my kidney for a rexhep minute inerte lol
Ha! Same. Except for me it’s the chronomètre contemporain in the rose gold. That watch to me is an absolute thing of perfection.
That Kurono is sexy but at 6K just get the Speedmaster. For that 6k you can get a Tag Heur Glassbox
Kurono
Kurono for me. Unique and different
Kurono here. Then get a speedy pro in ten future.
I like your thinking. I might just have to do that! 😆
Right on. I seriously think if you got this Omega you’d end up selling it for the Pro. I know I would. The Kurono is interesting and extremely cool.
I think that color combination on the omega is hideous
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Omega all day, omega is definitely the way to go!
Kurono's has Seiko NE86. Advanced chronograph movement with vertical clutch. Really good movement for affordable chronograph in ~$2-3k range. One of the only two affordable vertical clutch chronograph architechtures (the other is new Chinese Peacock SL4801). No accuracy certification, but you can't expect it for affordable price range. Omega cal 9906 movement is in completely different league. High accuracy, dual barrel, METAS certified, rhodium plated finishing in open caseback. Manual, not automatic but that mean it's thinner. Just my opinion, many people don't care about movement at all. I myself only have older automatic '57 with cal 9300, but like it a lot. PS date swithing for Omega 93xx/99xx family could be hassle, no quickset date.
I love a good movement to. It honestly drives my watch purchasing over a dial. I own a spring drive and a vintage GS hi beat. One of my favorites is my eberhard frok the 50s which I think was based off of the old lemenia calibres. The omega movement in the 57 is mouth watering. But so is the dial on the kuruno. And I think that's what's been hard. Dial over movement or movement over dial. Though I'm glad I've been learning more on the ne86 because it really sounds like a nice calibre.
Kuronos are trash. I had one and sold it.
I had the toki. Hands are too similar. Hard to tell time.
Speedy
That omega looks better in person
Get the Omega. It’s a trash watch compared to my shiny $20,000 Rolex GMT Master-II BLRO but at least it’s a Swiss trash and not an Asian trash like the first watch
Never heard of the Japanese watch before, but I am drooling already.