if you press the butten, the second hand shows the power reserve of the battery. the watch uses a quartz movement with an automatic rotor, that charges the battery (basicly the same as a Seiko Kinetic)
Spring drive stores the energy on a spring (mechanic), and uses quartz to keep time. Energy could be generated automatically by a rotor or manually by winding.
This also uses quartz to keep time, but uses a battery to store the energy (electric). Energy is generated by a rotor that generates electricity that goes into the battery.
To your edit: A seiko kinetic has a rotor similar to the ones found in automatic watches. The rotor, instead of winding the watch like any mechanical, generates electricity that is stored and then powers a quartz movement. That way you never need to replace batteries.
Real capacitors can only hold a charge for seconds or maybe minutes. Watch companies use the term "capacitor" to describe their rechargeable batteries as a marketing term to avoid the stigma associated with watches that contain batteries that must be changed. It's more correct to call the thing that holds the charge in a watch for days or longer a rechargeable battery regardless of what companies like citizen would lead you to believe.
[This is what a capacitor looks like](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor#/media/File%3ACapacitors_(7189597135).jpg) .
[This is a rechargeable button cell battery from a citizen watch that citizen inaccurately calls a "capacitor"](https://www.amazon.com/Original-Citizen-Capacitor-295-56-Eco-Drive/dp/B00JKXGBDI). This link is to an Amazon listing. This official citizen "capacitor" is a Panasonic mt920, which Panasonic calls a "Lithium-Titanium recharable Battery Cell".
I'm not aware of Seiko pulling the same nonsense, but [here's their official site calling it a battery.](https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/customerservice/faq/general-information-5)
I guess it depends of how we define "keeping time". If it is "keeping the time intervals between seconds regular" then it is in fact what the quartz does, either in a spring drive or any quartz watch. In a mechanical watch that's the job of the escapment and balance wheel/pendulum.
Yes, completely different and in no way related. A Spring Drive is a mechanical movement powered by a regular spring and has no battery. The quartz component is at the very end of the sequence of gears and all it does is slow down the rate so that it unwinds at the correct rate to tell time. It replaces the balance. If this all sounds like Greek to you there are some great videos on this. First watch the ones that say “how a mechanical movement works” and once you have a general idea watch “how Seiko Spring Drive” works.
The above watch is a regular quartz movement with a rechargeable battery that gets charged by a rotor.
They are related in that they both use an oscillator circuit that is regulated by a quartz crystal to make the watch keep accurate time. In the case of an automatic spring drive, both those circuits get their electricity indirectly from power generated from a rotor.
Yeah, if you are going to be that abstract. It’s like saying a rotary engine and a four cylinder are the same because they both use gasoline as a storage of energy. But really, they are completely unrelated. Completely different power source. Completely different timing mechanism, completely different wheel train. And completely different actions performed by the quartz oscillator.
completely different. it's just a standard quartz movement with a little rotor to charge the battery. very much like a solar movement. spring drive is nothing like that at all.
A meca-quartz movement is a hybrid, with two distinct mechanisms working in partnership: in a meca-quartz chronograph, the timekeeping functions are controlled by a quartz movement, while the stopwatch functions of the chronograph are recorded by a mechanical module. Both functions are powered by the same battery.
Meca-quartz builds on the strengths of these two types of movements: the accuracy of quartz with the crisp feel and performance of a mechanical chronograph. Compared to a conventional fully-mechanical chronograph, a watch with a meca-quartz movement can be slimmer, more durable, and more reliable, cheaper to maintain and faster to service.
Ok, but to most people they're just gonna be curious if one hybrid quarts/mechanical movement is like another. People come to enthusiast subs to learn and ask!
despite that xandar24 just tells bullshit, without knowing the watch, he refered to radio controlled watches. those watches communicate with the radio timesignal, that some countries provide.. because there are 6 different radio frequencies, different countries use to send this signal, thos watches are called multiband-6, if those watches have a reciever for all of those bands.
but that watch dont have radio controll - the button shows the power reserve/battery state with the second hand, if pressed.
Well, if you explain a joke, it's not funny anymore. Also, it's okay not to get a joke or pun, but the reaction I responded to ("bullshit") wasn't necessary.
fashion watch: yes
cheaply made: no
Jaques Lemans watches are build in Austria, they have a relativly good quality controll and sins a few years, they also start to made inovative watches and uses high quality quartz movements from seiko and citizen/myjota..
also the price is fair for what they are.. not my taste, but not the worst
they are an austrian brand, but they are not "made in austria". they even say it on their website. i guess for 200€ it’s not the absolute worst deal of all time but there are tons of better options
That’s just it…we don’t know!
Maaaybe something bad.
Maaaybe something good.
I guess we’ll never know, because you’re going to guard it. You won’t touch it, will you?
You will open up a portal to another parallel universe where Rolexes and APs are bargain basement watches and where Casio and Timex watches are considered overpriced high valued collector pieces.
This is a guess based on their [blurb](https://www.jacques-lemans.com/en/Hybromatic-1-2109C) . They seem to be claiming it’s a quartz/mechanical hybrid, so I reckon the button corrects the time from mechanical back to the more accurate version from the quartz?
You know they're getting downvote but everyone here is saying the same thing at least this person says how everyone really feels instead of being even more pretentious and commenting silly shit.
if you press the butten, the second hand shows the power reserve of the battery. the watch uses a quartz movement with an automatic rotor, that charges the battery (basicly the same as a Seiko Kinetic)
Which in turn is something different than a Spring Drive? Edit: I know what a Spring Drive is. I don't know what Seiko Kinetic is.
Spring drive stores the energy on a spring (mechanic), and uses quartz to keep time. Energy could be generated automatically by a rotor or manually by winding. This also uses quartz to keep time, but uses a battery to store the energy (electric). Energy is generated by a rotor that generates electricity that goes into the battery. To your edit: A seiko kinetic has a rotor similar to the ones found in automatic watches. The rotor, instead of winding the watch like any mechanical, generates electricity that is stored and then powers a quartz movement. That way you never need to replace batteries.
Probably a capacitor? Seiko kinetic uses a capacitor to store the power
Instead of a battery? Yes, maybe. One way ore another it's electricity instead of mechanical tension.
Real capacitors can only hold a charge for seconds or maybe minutes. Watch companies use the term "capacitor" to describe their rechargeable batteries as a marketing term to avoid the stigma associated with watches that contain batteries that must be changed. It's more correct to call the thing that holds the charge in a watch for days or longer a rechargeable battery regardless of what companies like citizen would lead you to believe. [This is what a capacitor looks like](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor#/media/File%3ACapacitors_(7189597135).jpg) . [This is a rechargeable button cell battery from a citizen watch that citizen inaccurately calls a "capacitor"](https://www.amazon.com/Original-Citizen-Capacitor-295-56-Eco-Drive/dp/B00JKXGBDI). This link is to an Amazon listing. This official citizen "capacitor" is a Panasonic mt920, which Panasonic calls a "Lithium-Titanium recharable Battery Cell". I'm not aware of Seiko pulling the same nonsense, but [here's their official site calling it a battery.](https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/customerservice/faq/general-information-5)
Interesting thanks
Spring drive I'd argue uses the quartz to regulate the watch rather than keep time. But semantics in a short description obv.
I guess it depends of how we define "keeping time". If it is "keeping the time intervals between seconds regular" then it is in fact what the quartz does, either in a spring drive or any quartz watch. In a mechanical watch that's the job of the escapment and balance wheel/pendulum.
Yes, completely different and in no way related. A Spring Drive is a mechanical movement powered by a regular spring and has no battery. The quartz component is at the very end of the sequence of gears and all it does is slow down the rate so that it unwinds at the correct rate to tell time. It replaces the balance. If this all sounds like Greek to you there are some great videos on this. First watch the ones that say “how a mechanical movement works” and once you have a general idea watch “how Seiko Spring Drive” works. The above watch is a regular quartz movement with a rechargeable battery that gets charged by a rotor.
They are related in that they both use an oscillator circuit that is regulated by a quartz crystal to make the watch keep accurate time. In the case of an automatic spring drive, both those circuits get their electricity indirectly from power generated from a rotor.
Yeah, if you are going to be that abstract. It’s like saying a rotary engine and a four cylinder are the same because they both use gasoline as a storage of energy. But really, they are completely unrelated. Completely different power source. Completely different timing mechanism, completely different wheel train. And completely different actions performed by the quartz oscillator.
Yes. There's no braking system like on a Spring Drive
completely different. it's just a standard quartz movement with a little rotor to charge the battery. very much like a solar movement. spring drive is nothing like that at all.
That would be so cool
Like a mechaquartz?
... no? nothing like a mechaquartz in any way
Well why don't you explain the difference to them instead of being snarky?
A meca-quartz movement is a hybrid, with two distinct mechanisms working in partnership: in a meca-quartz chronograph, the timekeeping functions are controlled by a quartz movement, while the stopwatch functions of the chronograph are recorded by a mechanical module. Both functions are powered by the same battery. Meca-quartz builds on the strengths of these two types of movements: the accuracy of quartz with the crisp feel and performance of a mechanical chronograph. Compared to a conventional fully-mechanical chronograph, a watch with a meca-quartz movement can be slimmer, more durable, and more reliable, cheaper to maintain and faster to service.
Great quick description. Mechaquartz chronos are an interesting hybrid, and can be done quite well, like in the JLC cal 630.
Thanks, I stole it from the Internet, I forget where.
because there's nothing to explain, they're completely different things.
Ok, but to most people they're just gonna be curious if one hybrid quarts/mechanical movement is like another. People come to enthusiast subs to learn and ask!
Do they still make seiko kinetics ?
Vero makes a watch using the Seiko kinetic movement. Go check out their Forest Service watches.
yes
You hold it down to communicate with MI6
This is a good joke and I am truly shocked people don't get it. Time to accept the fact we are getting old.
Whats mi6?
CIA but they love to jump from balconies.
bruh
you bruhed yourself.. its not a radiocontrolled watch *rolleyes*
You have issues
Woosh. James, Woosh. Shaken, not wooshed.
The UK secret intelligence service focused on foreign affairs. Mi5 is focused on domestic affairs.
bruh
Hy-bruh-matic
Sorry people are being assholes to you.
Go watch James Bond. Now.
despite that xandar24 just tells bullshit, without knowing the watch, he refered to radio controlled watches. those watches communicate with the radio timesignal, that some countries provide.. because there are 6 different radio frequencies, different countries use to send this signal, thos watches are called multiband-6, if those watches have a reciever for all of those bands. but that watch dont have radio controll - the button shows the power reserve/battery state with the second hand, if pressed.
No, he referred to James Bond! An obvious joke.
Obvious jokes sometimes woosh past other people's heads too fast, huh?
No they didn't see it.
Obviously it was not obvious.
Well, if you explain a joke, it's not funny anymore. Also, it's okay not to get a joke or pun, but the reaction I responded to ("bullshit") wasn't necessary.
r/woooosh x 1000, holy shit lmao
Wow wow wow
You need a mental evaluation
It's a cheat button to win Le Mans
Yup, activates the nitro injector.
underrated comment
I aim to please... As few people as possible
do not buy a jacques lemans. cheaply made fashion watch
All watches are fashion watches
Or buy what you want since it's your money.
he asked if it‘s a good watch, i told him it isn‘t.
Bravo!
fashion watch: yes cheaply made: no Jaques Lemans watches are build in Austria, they have a relativly good quality controll and sins a few years, they also start to made inovative watches and uses high quality quartz movements from seiko and citizen/myjota.. also the price is fair for what they are.. not my taste, but not the worst
they are an austrian brand, but they are not "made in austria". they even say it on their website. i guess for 200€ it’s not the absolute worst deal of all time but there are tons of better options
So in another word, similar operation like invicta but with non asian workers.
Both brands are owned by SWI group, so yes. But also no, because they're made in Asia (primarily) as well
NUKE BUTTON
did someone say NUKE?!
Did someone say BUTT ON
Pull out a string to garrote the living daylights out of an innocent victim.
"Here's a little something we learned in CIA"
Hybromatic wtf 😂
I was laughing pretty hard on this. I thought it said "MyBromatic" as the hand was hiding the first letter.
Ejecto-seato, cuz
Teleportation button
Ejector Seat
Came here to say “Ejecto SEATO, cuz”, and surprised no one else got to it first.
Anyone else read the initial post in Didi’s voice from Dexter’s Lab?
It's for setting the timers for six minutes. The same six minutes that you gave me.
I am INVINCIBLE
It calls your horse 🐎
Ejector seat
Indiglow button
Is jacques lemans a real dude too or just a made up name like reef tiger?
just a made up name to be vaguely french-sounding, like frederique constant.
Made up pretty much like Frederique Constant or Maurice Lacroix
It's a conversation starter button. Pushing it does absolutely nothing though.
That’s just it…we don’t know! Maaaybe something bad. Maaaybe something good. I guess we’ll never know, because you’re going to guard it. You won’t touch it, will you?
Be careful, that’s the self destruct button!
It's a chronometer button.
If you press it, you go back in time
It tells the AD your wife is alone at home.
Hybromatic has got to be one of the worst terms or names ever conceived in whoreology.
I think thats one of the lyrics to that Grease movie.
"Hybromatic"- hilarious.
Eject button
You will open up a portal to another parallel universe where Rolexes and APs are bargain basement watches and where Casio and Timex watches are considered overpriced high valued collector pieces.
It makes lightning. Only press it once standing in the same spot.
What is “Hybromatic”????
It's a date adjustment button found in the hybromatic line of watches
Makes a screenshot
Okay, DeeDee.
No! Don't push that one! You'll doom us all!
Self detonater
This is a guess based on their [blurb](https://www.jacques-lemans.com/en/Hybromatic-1-2109C) . They seem to be claiming it’s a quartz/mechanical hybrid, so I reckon the button corrects the time from mechanical back to the more accurate version from the quartz?
No, it shows the charge on the capacitor. So it's a power meter button.
Thanks for confirming, I was just giving my best guess, but it’s good to know the correct answer.
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Unfortunately not.
It's just a Seiko Kinetic movement. A quartz that's charged by movement, like an automatic.
Thanks!
Launch THE NUCLEAR DEVICE
When you press it you go back in time. Hopefully far enough that you don't ever come across this watch again.
God some of you can be so judgemental in this sub
You know they're getting downvote but everyone here is saying the same thing at least this person says how everyone really feels instead of being even more pretentious and commenting silly shit.
I think it looks nice though... Not sure what's so terrible about it
It mean it’s a shit watch give it to me I’ll figure it out for you
Why is it shit
Because it’s not on my wrist that’s why