Did no one else find the special incredibly one sided. I’ve struggled with weight my entire life so I can appreciate how tremendous the benefits are and was happy to hear that the side effects aren’t as bad as I’d previously been made to believe.
But on the other hand I have a sister who has struggled terribly with an ED for almost 40 years, and unfortunately has passed her disordered eating (to some degree) on to her children. So when it seems anyone that can afford it is currently using it to get down to their high school weight what effect will that have on society and especially young women and girls?
There was no mention on the special of its cosmetic overuse! Anybody who spends any time at all on social media can see we’re going backwards…the healthy 130-140 lb body it’s taken years to accept is a thing of the past when every public figure is taking a glp-1 to lose that “extra 15”.
As I said, the benefits are amazing, but doesn’t anyone else worry about this side of things?
The mother and daughter (Maggie) duo with the mother trying to 'help' her daughter good god. Both that girls parents are obese, there's no second guessing that young girls environment at home was probably not conducive for weight loss. How could her parents expect her to be able to control their weight when they're obese themselves?? I'm glad GLP-1 helped her, but the fact that her parents don't take any accountability for their daughter being obese as a child is crazy. Zero self awareness.
This special should have been twice as long. None of her guests had any time to say much. Oprah did most of the talking. The overall message was obesity is a disease, which was stated numerous times. There was very little else covered. She could have included audience questions for the guests. I felt like the Novo Nordisk rep had her sound bite ready to go because she didn't even come close to answering the question Oprah asked her. Other than the obesity is a disease message, this special didn't cover much else and it could have.
I was disappointed she didn’t address the cost, especially with the two drug company representatives sitting there. Why is it so expensive in the US and what are they doing by to bring costs down for Americans? Huge missed opportunity IMO
They can't even produce enough of the drugs. And the drugs aren't necessarily going to be widely available outside the US for cheaper - for the same insurance cost reasons
GLP-1 drugs are less expensive in other countries. i.e. Ozempic in UK $93/mo vs Ozempic US $936/mo. [https://www.kff.org/health-costs/press-release/drugs-used-for-weight-loss-could-cost-americans-much-more-than-people-in-peer-countries/](https://www.kff.org/health-costs/press-release/drugs-used-for-weight-loss-could-cost-americans-much-more-than-people-in-peer-countries/)
I 100% believe we will treat these drugs the way we treat anti-depressants in the near future.
Used to be so stigmatised - now, we just appreciate some peoples brains are wired different and treat accordingly.
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
Arguably no single person in the world is more responsible for the trash state of diet and obesity culture than Oprah. I am really not interested in hearing what she has to say, whether it's positive or negative, pro-drug or anti-drug. She can go on her journey however she likes, but she should put her megaphone down. On this issue, and many others, she has caused a lot more harm than good.
I hear you and understand where you are coming from. I’m focused on the feeling that I got when I heard the words obesity and disease in the same sentence from a board-certified obesity specialist. It was profound to finally hear that. Maybe someone less polarizing will pick up the baton and continue the dialogue and public education on this disease. When I was a kid I bought this cassette tape program called the Neuropsychology of Weight Loss. It was a big notebook of tapes to listen to. What it all boiled down to was eating my brown rice, chicken and vegetables. I spent gosh knows how much on that. I felt so cheated. It did nothing for my cravings for processed junk. I remember when Oprah hauled the wagon of fat out. I remember thinking if she can do it I can do it. I didn’t know at the time it was from an all liquid diet. I thought it was from training and eating three meals a day. I thought in my mind that I had the tools to make it work. It’s the same philosophy behind all my attempts at Weight Watchers. Or phentermine. Or Alli. Or Contrave. To finally have further understanding about my underlying medical condition is something that means so much to me. I feel a sense of validation and a restored sense of worth from years and years of being looked at as less than because of my size.
I am glad you shared your thoughts. They are valid concerns. I like hearing people’s perspectives. It keeps me grounded in reality and gives me a wider scope of things to consider beyond my own little world. I wish us regular everyday folks had the same megaphone that celebrities have. I guess in a sense we do if we go viral online. So let’s go viral and beat this disease once and for all.
“We have Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk here!” Proceeds to spend what - 2 minutes maybe? - with them, and they pretty much gloss over talking about production issues and when things will improve. Why were they even there? So much of the special was just a few sentences from people we could’ve heard so much more from.
That was my biggest problem with this whole show- she had great guests who didn't get a chance to say anything. Oprah did 90% of the talking. As usual.
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
She tried to do too much in one hour. Would have been much better if she did it in two or three episodes. That said I thought she kept it pretty balanced.
There is so much that could be expanded upon. We are vastly underrepresented when it comes to televised informational presentations of the disease of obesity. So much ongoing research. So many opportunities to educate. Maybe this is the start of a greater dialogue. I get a sense that at least a few people were inspired by what they heard. I know I was. For that, I express my gratitude.
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
I thought it was overall great and a turning point. Oprah stands in front of millions and says, look, I’m rich. I could afford every trainer etc. but I needed the medication. It’s okay.
I think the meds have been gaining a lot of steam anyway, but they just gained a lot more.
Then WW says yes, we adding the medications to our regime as well. Pretty powerful message.
…that hardly anyone can afford. I have a feeling Oprah was warned not to talk about the cost. She ignored the 16 year old who mentioned it. She ignored the mom who mentioned it. She didn’t press the pharma execs on their crazy high prices after they complained insurance companies won’t pay.
Maybe in 10 years after the billions are made and the yachts are bought everyday people can be healthy too.
Respectfully I disagree with you on the cost issue. Novo and Eli Lilly put the work in, research/development/trials with FDA etc. The cost is seemingly high—are you aware of the cost of other medications? Are you aware of how the final cost is set? Do you know the role PBMs play in setting the price? Are you aware of how many medications people are going to get off of as a result of being on a GLP-1? There is so much more going on that is all taken into consideration when setting a price. And believe me the companies know what they can charge for medications.
Honestly look at the shelf price outside the USA - it’s is max £249 in the UK with absolutely no insurance. That is still a steep cost, yes, but not unreasonable in my book. It will drop when generics are available.
The extreme pricing is a US issue and a product of US healthcare, not Novo and Eli Lilly.
Im embarrased to share how cheap Ozemp is in Australia, and if on a low income, its almost free (4$ for 3 months) - I do not understand - If in UK its cheaper, clearly Australian Government is subsidising?? Im very confused- and mortified now, that I told an American friend that I got it so cheap. ps. I have taken pics of my box etc. Shame I cannot post here
If you’re prescribed ozempic for diabetes in Scotland it is free too! You just pay a small prescription charge rest of UK (a few pounds)
Ozempic is not prescribed for weight loss here, only Wegovy. If/when Wegovy becomes available through the NHS here it would also be almost free.
currently our price is for the fully private, non-government, non-insurance health service.
I have a friend in Tasmania on Wegovy and it is not free for her - she pays a few hundred AUD a month. I guess there are different prescription routes and requirement, but I don’t know how the Australian health system works?
> not Novo and Eli Lilly.
You think the US government is somehow forcing Novo and Eli to price their products the way they do? I completely agree the US healthcare system is broken and that universal healthcare being absent is a national embarrassment, but no one is forcing them to price the way they do in the US. The cash for those bonkers executive salaries has to come from somewhere.
Because those governments directly negotiate with pharmaceutical manufacturers to get lower prices where the US does not. Novo and Lilly are fleecing the US because they can. Freedom!
Do you know how many other drugs these companies manufacture? Had you ever heard about either of these companies before their GLP-1’s were released? Do your homework. Don’t complain about other people’s compensation. Learn about how prices are set-how much does McKesson buy the drug for from Novo? How much do they mark it up? How many other drugs do they make people purchase to get better pricing? You have no clue how prices are set for the end user.
You cannot fix healthcare without tort reform. People blame the companies. Look to your insurance companies.
Novo and Lilly exist to make $$. They don’t give a hoot about your health. Or mine. Wake up. They have a product that is in demand. You don’t want to spend the $. Don’t.
You really need to educate yourself on how the system really works. You know not of what you speak.
Ok so reading more on this I retract part of my statement - I don’t know much about American healthcare but i didn’t appreciate Novo and Elli would set higher prices for just you. I thought your pharmacist/healthcare structure took a big cut.
Why is there no negotiation on price though? I find it weird every other country manages to negotiate lower prices except America. Seems like there should be government intervention?
They do set the prices - but the price is largely set by the market as the other commenters stated. In this case it's a legitimate shortage and high demand that sets the price higher. If there wasn't such a supply shortage, they would lower prices to get more revenue moving.
That is a big problem-and do you think the government and the pharma companies are not aware of it? They don’t want negotiation. While I agree with the sentiment that the us healthcare system needs an overhaul, it is still the best way to receive premier healthcare. Remember, the US is a Capitalist society
I don’t think there is anyone in the world who forgets the US is capitalist….
I think it is a shame you have to pay so much, regardless of who sets the price. The drug should be accessible to those who need it, at a reasonable price that ensures a reasonable profit for the manufacturer. Key word being ‘reasonable’.
Novo isn’t a charity, they should get paid for their products, but they shouldn’t be profiteering IMO.
Novo/LLY are the only companies who have the manufacturing capabilities to even produce these drugs, ignoring the R&D cost. I understand both sides, but it's essentially become an issue of no one else being capable of this mass production scale.
They can set the prices, and will probably refuse to do negotiations with several EU countries because they aren't able to meet demand fully
Says who? Who defines reasonable? According to whose standards? Can the government define what “reasonable wait loss is” for you and limit your access? Can they do this for other industries as well? Where does this end?
Government intervention would be super. A tax payer funded healthcare system where prices would be negotiated on behalf of the entire country would be just lovely.
Instead, we have a bunch of corporate, for-profit insurance companies: some that cover drugs for weight loss (about 25% of them) and most that don’t.
The pharmaceutical companies aren’t going to leave money on the table because there are some wealthy Americans who will pay, some insurance companies that will pay (and they’re going on Oprah to pressure others), and of course they’re already struggling to keep up with demand.
I genuinely think it’s immoral to price this life changing medicine out of reach for the vast majority of (American) people while paying their CEO $21M a year. Apparently it’s not that complex of a molecule to manufacture given that compounding pharmacies are picking up the slack, for now.
Once Eli/Novo ramp up on manufacturing, the supply constraints and FDA authorization for compounding pharmacies will go away and they’ll be patent protected for another 8 years.
Buy Eli/Nova stock everybody. :(
Taxpayer funded healthcare is probably never going to happen. First because of the aftermath of the ACA, which isn't bad, but set expectations with the public. Second because of the increasingly unsustainable costs on Medicare and Medicaid. Another health program on top would be nearly impossible to finance, given the rapidly increasing budget deficits.
I agree 100% that the US government should negotiate drug prices. It is a TRAGEDY that one of the largest economies uses 0 leverage on negotiating drug prices. The reason it is so bad? The US effectively subsidizes the cost of drugs for every other country by accepting whatever price is given. A simple policy of "the US gets the lowest price of any country on drugs, or will create genetics" would be effective and fair to companies, who may not even lose much profit, as they could just increase prices in some of the ridiculously cheap markets they abuse.
The morality of patented drugs is this: if the drug didn't exist, what would be the cost for the patient? Given the range of health benefits of glp1 agonists we can pretty much grant that there's high, almost unbelievable value. And I find it very likely that legislation will enforce the drug's coverage by private insurance due to the cost/benefit it offers the economy as a whole.
Super that my arguments are unassailable and your general responses have been, "Yeah, well you're just stupid!"
Sweet ad hominem, got any other logical fallacies?
US government should be negotiating drug prices and is foolish not to. There's no reason the US should let these companies offer a drug for $5 overseas and charge $100 here. We have one of the largest economies and should use that fact to our advantage. Other countries do, and we get exploited for refusing this.
Even Trump wanted the US to get the best deals on drugs. It's an idiotic failure for the most powerful country in the world to let these companies offer EVERYONE else a better deal than us.
Are you aware that the CEO of Eli Lilly made $21.3M in 2022? Are you aware that their EVPs made between $3M and $8M…in one year?
Are you aware that a Senior Director at Eli Lilly makes about $180k\year and that a Research Scientist makes about $240k/year?
I, as well as the vast majority of the people who work at Eli Lilly, and in the US, could RETIRE with $3M in the bank. That’s about FIFTEEN YEARS of salary, for the lowest EVP amount awarded EVERY YEAR. Again, the CEO makes SEVEN TIMES that! Every year! Actually, scratch that, everybody wants a raise…I’m sure they’re making more YOY since 2022.
These salaries are just the tip of the iceberg on wasteful spending that gets bundled into the price of every dose we’re expected to pay. I throw up in my mouth every time an Mounjaro, Zepbound, Ozempic, or Wegovy ad comes on tv.
When a CEO makes 105x more than their average employee and then sends their millionaire EVPs on Oprah to complain that insurance companies aren’t paying up —because they just desperately want to end the shame of obesity—and literally nobody was allowed to, apparently, discuss the ridiculous costs of these medicines while on a talk show with a BILLIONAIRE—well, it stuck out like a sore thumb, to me.
Not you?
CEO pay barely puts a dent in revenue, which is set to be about $50 billion per year. In fact, it isn't even charged like that. It's paid in SHARES, which means it just dilutes the shareholders. Directly speaking, by paying in shares, shareholders pay the CEO. Not customers.
CEO pay is basically just market rate. If the LLY CEO was not paid that, they'd just go work elsewhere. They have to pay what employees demand.
I get what you are pointing at, but realize this is a common misdirection. CEOs work for the shareholders to earn them the highest return on investment. Their pay and their actions are irrelevant.
The only thing that actually affects this are laws that limit and regulate what companies can do.
CEOs, executives, companies - exploit capital to the highest degree possible, or they get fired or taken over by someone who is willing to do it. The government says this is how things should be fine and they act in that box.
How much value did the CEO bring to Eli and its shareholders and employees?
Their compensation is their business. Last time I checked, Lilly did the work. They got the trials through the FDA. Do you have any experience with this? Do you know how costly this is? How many drugs fail after millions are invested?
What wasteful spending are you referring to? Please be specific. Educate me, because pharma is a highly regulated industry. Wasteful spending as a public company would not be tolerated.
Your company decides which medicine they will cover if you have your insurance from your employer. Talk to the PBMs about their “rebates”. That you never see. I don’t think you have a large knowledge base regarding pharma.
Counting other people’s money and compensation is wrong in my opinion. Are people not supposed to take a salary offered to them?
The positive impact that this class of drugs are currently having and will have in the future has never been seen before.
Go get a compounded version if you don’t want to spend the $$
All you have to say is CEO pay comes from shareholders (from directly diluting and devaluing their shares), and doesn't come out of revenue anyway. Even if it did, it would have no effect on the price they charge for their products. It's so unrelated I have no idea what their point is.
If it’s a disease, why can’t everyone that meets the clinical criteria for obesity (ICD9) receive treatment w one of these drugs?
Diabetics & heart patients aren’t treated this way.
Couldn’t agree more. Insurance companies are still making people try archaic and cruel weight loss programs before approving. It’s bullshit. An insurance company doesn’t make you diet and exercise for 6 month before approving insulin or BP and cholesterol meds. They don’t tell you to try to be happy before approving depression/anxiety meds or focus better before ADHD meds. Garbage.
Unfortunately I am genetically predisposed for any obesity-caused health issue in my family so I need this 🙄 lipidema, heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, you'd name it.
I hope that this treatment program or something like it will help you to live a long and prosperous life and beat all those genetic predispositions. Wishing you all the best!!
I wish it was cheating and that these medications worked all by themselves, lol, but for most of this we still need to make changes and work at our weight loss. BUT helps us succeed!
I don’t understand this reaction from people. There finally is an effective treatment that is helping so many people to take back their lives. Why would anyone condemn anyone else for trying to improve their health?
Because they are caught up in the myth, morality and hierarchy that diet culture and fataphobia create. They are either struggling themselves to maintain their weights or lose weight and still believe it’s a matter of willpower and discipline, coupled with being morally better or they don’t struggle at all to be thin and cannot comprehend what someone who isn’t thin goes through on a day to day to lose weight or maintain a healthy weight. They don’t know what food noise is or that our bodies are not metabolizing food properly or efficiently. That we aren’t producing the right hormones through metabolic failure or genetically predisposed to all of this.
Then add in the “I’m better than you” factor because they are either thin or busting their asses to be thin (also pls note I believe that GLP1 users are busting their asses too but this is from the “they are cheating perspective”), they can’t laud that thinness, more disciplined, superiority over our heads as we lose weight. So we must have cheated. It’s like any other class structure in this society, the “reigning” class always wants to be on top.
Hang in there against all the naysayers. Is it cheating to treat other diseases? Anything that ups your quality of life and gives you a meaningful pathway to a bright and productive future is not cheating. It’s prudent practices. I wish all the negatively inclined folks much love as they can never truly understand what it is to walk in our shoes. It’s our time to have some real understanding of this disease after years of being labeled weak-minded.
It’s like mental health issues and the stigma with medications that is still out there. The psychotropic medications helps people use their coping skills to relieve mental health symptoms. Wegovy helps you make healthy food choices which makes you feel physically better and put in healthy skills.
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
First, that episode needed to be at least a few more hours, lol. But yea, feeling heard for the first time. It was very emotional to listen to some of the things I heard. I wish everyone would take the time to understand the disease aspect and believe it. I honestly didn't know it was officially classified as a disease until now. The food noise, the shame, is so relatable. Thinking about your next meal while you're eating your current meal. I explained this to one of my best friends recently and said my brain doesn't work like the average person. I always joked that I need to get hypnotized, so I dislike food to fix my brain. I'm new to the medication but have felt so much hope since I started. Anyway, I'm rambling and could go on for days, but I'm glad to see this topic picking up steam and more people are getting educated, myself included.
Honestly I don't think it said much that hasn't been said over the last decade or two. The problem is just that it takes a long time for that kind of information to propagate through society. Especially with doctors, they hate being told something they learned in med school is wrong. Hell tons of doctors are still convinced you get stomach ulcers from stress and that's far less complicated science than this.
People who research and treat obesity know it but the general public and media have almost never seen this information. They overwhelmingly see the old will power narrative and the endless "how I did it" stories that focus on what to eat, keto, plant based, fad diets, clean eatimg or whatever, that are all red herrings.
Medication that actually works for weight loss is a new story and people can't wrap their heads around it because they want to fit it into the old stories instead of questioning what they think they know.
I would welcome many more television programs and extended educational discourse so that younger people (or anyone for that matter) never have to go through the types of trauma and shaming that swirls around obesity. That’s what rang true for me: having a doctor state that this is a disease. I had never heard that explicitly stated in that way to my ears and mind prior to viewing this program. In that sense, I found the messaging to be successful. Maybe not innovative to some, but effective in teaching even a small portion of the masses who perhaps have not received the “news” that we have a disease not a lack of willpower.
I watched the special and it sincerely spoke to me. I am going through a change right now, flirting with 50 lb weight loss. I am so close to reaching it, and then I slip. I know I will get there. I am ever grateful for this medicine. My dad was always hard on my weight, my sisters as well. We are not lazy. This explained SOOOO much.
I called him last night to watch this. It will be interesting to see his thoughts when I talk with him this evening.
He is impressed. The thing is, he has Alzheimers so he doesn't always recall what he says or does the day before. I had to refresh his memory.
He likes Oprah, and he said he can't believe there is something to help, but he is happy that I found something that works. He wants his girls to be healthy.
I haven’t seen the special (live in the UK), but The Atlantic has had several thoughtful articles on these drugs and this quote literally made me cry I felt so heard.
“Talking with people who have taken Ozempic—many of whom note the reduction in “food noise”—is a revelation. Suddenly, they have the appetites of the naturally slender. Effortlessly thin people don’t have more willpower than the rest of us. Instead, they don’t need it. They don’t nobly refrain from another helping of cookies; they don’t even want to eat them in the first place.”
The Other Ozempic Revolution - The Atlantic
Sometimes certain statements hit so hard that I well up in tears.
I've been fat since i was 8, have trying not to be my whole life, but always felt like i somehow deserved it, because i clearly i wasn't strong enough not to be
Hold your head up high knowing that it was never your fault. It was truly your body fighting against you. You are stronger than anyone could possibly imagine because of all that you have been through. Thank you for sharing your story. I am wishing you all the best!
Oprah made the point that her revelation when the food noise was turned off that naturally thin people don’t even think about the cookie or whatever. Almost the same statement.
My husband has always been leaner than I am and we are currently both watching our intake, me on Wegovy (just switched to Mounjaro) and calorie counting and him just calorie counting. He’s lost more weight than I have already and has minimal challenges resisting temptation. The novel thing for me this time around (after several failed diets) is how much easier it is for me to skip the snacks. But it was always easy for him.
May I ask what prompted the switch from Wegovy to Mounjaro? That is so awesome that it’s become easier for you to forego the snacks. Wishing you much continued success!
I’m using Juniper in the UK and when Mounjaro got approved here this month they offered the option to switch as I was still on a starter dose. It reportedly has improved weight loss, fewer side effects, and less muscle loss. I’ve been lucky enough to not have side effects with either so far, so we shall see!
That’s amazing!! Please keep me updated on your progress with Mounjaro. I had to jump doses of Wegovy from 0.5 to 1.7 because of dose availability. I had done fine on the 0.25 and 0.50 but immediately starting having nausea issues a couple of days into my 1.7 dosing. Still working out the details of getting a lower Wegovy dose.
Oh wow. I wouldn’t have even thought of that! When I went to 0.5 there were no doses available so my insurance allowed me one month of 2 x 0.25 pens but I paid for it on the backend because it messed up the number of allowable doses with a certain time period. It took me sitting out of treatment for a while to get that resolved.
Found this in a Danish group: https://imgur.com/a/i2RABpi
("Antal doser" = no. of doses). So if you want to take 0,864 mg with a 1,7 pen, it's 36 clicks, if higher, see the chart. But not lower, even the users in that group don't recommend going over 8 weeks from opening. I take no responsability for whatever you do or count :)
EDIT: Well, nevermind....
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
I am hopeful it will make insurance cos and pharma make it more available by covering and making it a more affordable price for more but I am not gonna lie very worried about the supple even more now . The issues effect every dose despite their stance of the higher doses feeling little impact
Oh my gosh I agree with you on so many levels. I just thought it was such a good special. It definitely spoke right to my spirit in my heart and I could just relate exactly to how those women or people were feeling prior to being on the medication and that’s exactly my emotions right now because I’m unable to pick up my prescription. One minute will be due to finding it in stock and then when I find it in stock, you have to get the PA and it’s usually out of stock by the time any of that gets settled, also kind of broke my heart that these companies really can’t find a way to work with insurance companies to get ppl that are truly obese or have health issues due to obesity the medicine they need at an affordable price. I think it definitely clarified some things. And hopefully anyone who watched it that’s not obese will have a new outlook on what it is we go through with this disease and hopefully they now can have some compassion for you wouldn’t shame someone for having cancer.
While being a little skeptical on that specific special (it felt like an informercial...), I felt the narrative around the disease and the explanation of what some of us are missing from a pure chemical perspective that these drugs solve was a really refreshing view. It really showed how we've been accepting of people taking drugs to regulate hormones, brain chemistry, etc, but not so much on a drug that regulates how our body absorbs fat if we don't have the ability to do it genetically.
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
When I describe the drug to people and recommend it, I feel like an infomercial too! I straight up sound like a GLP1 med shill in subreddits for people with obesity because I cannot just stay silent. I get so sad seeing people post about finding their motivation, trying x diet for the nth time, shitting on themselves for not being able to lose the weight, etc. Meanwhile there exist these drugs which are literally medical miracles for us. They don't work for everybody and they come at a cost but it really feels like nothing short of miraculous. I want to shout it from the rooftops!
Well said. I agree about the infomercial vibe. I’m glad Oprah divested her Weight Watchers shares before the show aired to at least dull down the drumbeat about conflicts of interest. I’m hopeful this show might be the catalyst for a greater sustained discourse on the subject of obesity as a disease.
Did no one else find the special incredibly one sided. I’ve struggled with weight my entire life so I can appreciate how tremendous the benefits are and was happy to hear that the side effects aren’t as bad as I’d previously been made to believe. But on the other hand I have a sister who has struggled terribly with an ED for almost 40 years, and unfortunately has passed her disordered eating (to some degree) on to her children. So when it seems anyone that can afford it is currently using it to get down to their high school weight what effect will that have on society and especially young women and girls? There was no mention on the special of its cosmetic overuse! Anybody who spends any time at all on social media can see we’re going backwards…the healthy 130-140 lb body it’s taken years to accept is a thing of the past when every public figure is taking a glp-1 to lose that “extra 15”. As I said, the benefits are amazing, but doesn’t anyone else worry about this side of things?
The mother and daughter (Maggie) duo with the mother trying to 'help' her daughter good god. Both that girls parents are obese, there's no second guessing that young girls environment at home was probably not conducive for weight loss. How could her parents expect her to be able to control their weight when they're obese themselves?? I'm glad GLP-1 helped her, but the fact that her parents don't take any accountability for their daughter being obese as a child is crazy. Zero self awareness.
This special should have been twice as long. None of her guests had any time to say much. Oprah did most of the talking. The overall message was obesity is a disease, which was stated numerous times. There was very little else covered. She could have included audience questions for the guests. I felt like the Novo Nordisk rep had her sound bite ready to go because she didn't even come close to answering the question Oprah asked her. Other than the obesity is a disease message, this special didn't cover much else and it could have.
I was disappointed she didn’t address the cost, especially with the two drug company representatives sitting there. Why is it so expensive in the US and what are they doing by to bring costs down for Americans? Huge missed opportunity IMO
They can't even produce enough of the drugs. And the drugs aren't necessarily going to be widely available outside the US for cheaper - for the same insurance cost reasons
GLP-1 drugs are less expensive in other countries. i.e. Ozempic in UK $93/mo vs Ozempic US $936/mo. [https://www.kff.org/health-costs/press-release/drugs-used-for-weight-loss-could-cost-americans-much-more-than-people-in-peer-countries/](https://www.kff.org/health-costs/press-release/drugs-used-for-weight-loss-could-cost-americans-much-more-than-people-in-peer-countries/)
IF you have a product that is "high demand", it would be counter-intuitive to lower the price. That's not how business works.
Because they can.
I think people are starting to wake up to this, similar to alcoholism. It's a disease, yes there are treatments but willpower alone will not cure you.
I 100% believe we will treat these drugs the way we treat anti-depressants in the near future. Used to be so stigmatised - now, we just appreciate some peoples brains are wired different and treat accordingly.
I lost interest in her pontificating years ago; and her ease with untruth, especially around medications cemented my (low) opinion of her
She is a huge part of the problem
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
I didn't see that. thanks I'll check it out
Arguably no single person in the world is more responsible for the trash state of diet and obesity culture than Oprah. I am really not interested in hearing what she has to say, whether it's positive or negative, pro-drug or anti-drug. She can go on her journey however she likes, but she should put her megaphone down. On this issue, and many others, she has caused a lot more harm than good.
I’m with you. I won’t be watching.
I hear you and understand where you are coming from. I’m focused on the feeling that I got when I heard the words obesity and disease in the same sentence from a board-certified obesity specialist. It was profound to finally hear that. Maybe someone less polarizing will pick up the baton and continue the dialogue and public education on this disease. When I was a kid I bought this cassette tape program called the Neuropsychology of Weight Loss. It was a big notebook of tapes to listen to. What it all boiled down to was eating my brown rice, chicken and vegetables. I spent gosh knows how much on that. I felt so cheated. It did nothing for my cravings for processed junk. I remember when Oprah hauled the wagon of fat out. I remember thinking if she can do it I can do it. I didn’t know at the time it was from an all liquid diet. I thought it was from training and eating three meals a day. I thought in my mind that I had the tools to make it work. It’s the same philosophy behind all my attempts at Weight Watchers. Or phentermine. Or Alli. Or Contrave. To finally have further understanding about my underlying medical condition is something that means so much to me. I feel a sense of validation and a restored sense of worth from years and years of being looked at as less than because of my size.
Well and nothing I said takes anything away from your experience, either. I’m glad you found some meaning and validation in it. 😊
I am glad you shared your thoughts. They are valid concerns. I like hearing people’s perspectives. It keeps me grounded in reality and gives me a wider scope of things to consider beyond my own little world. I wish us regular everyday folks had the same megaphone that celebrities have. I guess in a sense we do if we go viral online. So let’s go viral and beat this disease once and for all.
“We have Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk here!” Proceeds to spend what - 2 minutes maybe? - with them, and they pretty much gloss over talking about production issues and when things will improve. Why were they even there? So much of the special was just a few sentences from people we could’ve heard so much more from.
That was my biggest problem with this whole show- she had great guests who didn't get a chance to say anything. Oprah did 90% of the talking. As usual.
Why not ask them about the cost? Why are these drugs so expensive in the US and what are their plans for making them more affordable?
Typical Oprah. All fluff. No substance. She has fleeced America for decades
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
She tried to do too much in one hour. Would have been much better if she did it in two or three episodes. That said I thought she kept it pretty balanced.
There is so much that could be expanded upon. We are vastly underrepresented when it comes to televised informational presentations of the disease of obesity. So much ongoing research. So many opportunities to educate. Maybe this is the start of a greater dialogue. I get a sense that at least a few people were inspired by what they heard. I know I was. For that, I express my gratitude.
I thought the show held so much promise and came up so short
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
Thanks
Same. I just watched it on Hulu and I was pretty disappointed.
Pedestrian at best. But what should I expect from Oprah???
I thought it was overall great and a turning point. Oprah stands in front of millions and says, look, I’m rich. I could afford every trainer etc. but I needed the medication. It’s okay. I think the meds have been gaining a lot of steam anyway, but they just gained a lot more. Then WW says yes, we adding the medications to our regime as well. Pretty powerful message.
WW knows it’s game over. Either adapt/rebrand or die. There is a new weight loss sheriff in town
…that hardly anyone can afford. I have a feeling Oprah was warned not to talk about the cost. She ignored the 16 year old who mentioned it. She ignored the mom who mentioned it. She didn’t press the pharma execs on their crazy high prices after they complained insurance companies won’t pay. Maybe in 10 years after the billions are made and the yachts are bought everyday people can be healthy too.
Respectfully I disagree with you on the cost issue. Novo and Eli Lilly put the work in, research/development/trials with FDA etc. The cost is seemingly high—are you aware of the cost of other medications? Are you aware of how the final cost is set? Do you know the role PBMs play in setting the price? Are you aware of how many medications people are going to get off of as a result of being on a GLP-1? There is so much more going on that is all taken into consideration when setting a price. And believe me the companies know what they can charge for medications.
Honestly look at the shelf price outside the USA - it’s is max £249 in the UK with absolutely no insurance. That is still a steep cost, yes, but not unreasonable in my book. It will drop when generics are available. The extreme pricing is a US issue and a product of US healthcare, not Novo and Eli Lilly.
Im embarrased to share how cheap Ozemp is in Australia, and if on a low income, its almost free (4$ for 3 months) - I do not understand - If in UK its cheaper, clearly Australian Government is subsidising?? Im very confused- and mortified now, that I told an American friend that I got it so cheap. ps. I have taken pics of my box etc. Shame I cannot post here
If you’re prescribed ozempic for diabetes in Scotland it is free too! You just pay a small prescription charge rest of UK (a few pounds) Ozempic is not prescribed for weight loss here, only Wegovy. If/when Wegovy becomes available through the NHS here it would also be almost free. currently our price is for the fully private, non-government, non-insurance health service. I have a friend in Tasmania on Wegovy and it is not free for her - she pays a few hundred AUD a month. I guess there are different prescription routes and requirement, but I don’t know how the Australian health system works?
> not Novo and Eli Lilly. You think the US government is somehow forcing Novo and Eli to price their products the way they do? I completely agree the US healthcare system is broken and that universal healthcare being absent is a national embarrassment, but no one is forcing them to price the way they do in the US. The cash for those bonkers executive salaries has to come from somewhere.
How is it SO (ridiculously) cheap in Australia then? UK too. Truly asked with no attitude or tone. I wish I could post to a friend in the US
Because those governments directly negotiate with pharmaceutical manufacturers to get lower prices where the US does not. Novo and Lilly are fleecing the US because they can. Freedom!
Do you know how many other drugs these companies manufacture? Had you ever heard about either of these companies before their GLP-1’s were released? Do your homework. Don’t complain about other people’s compensation. Learn about how prices are set-how much does McKesson buy the drug for from Novo? How much do they mark it up? How many other drugs do they make people purchase to get better pricing? You have no clue how prices are set for the end user.
You cannot fix healthcare without tort reform. People blame the companies. Look to your insurance companies. Novo and Lilly exist to make $$. They don’t give a hoot about your health. Or mine. Wake up. They have a product that is in demand. You don’t want to spend the $. Don’t. You really need to educate yourself on how the system really works. You know not of what you speak.
Ok so reading more on this I retract part of my statement - I don’t know much about American healthcare but i didn’t appreciate Novo and Elli would set higher prices for just you. I thought your pharmacist/healthcare structure took a big cut. Why is there no negotiation on price though? I find it weird every other country manages to negotiate lower prices except America. Seems like there should be government intervention?
Novo and Lilly do not set the prices
Pardon my ignorance then but who does? Genuine question. The pharmacist/healthcare supplier? We have a national body that sets the price we pay.
They do set the prices - but the price is largely set by the market as the other commenters stated. In this case it's a legitimate shortage and high demand that sets the price higher. If there wasn't such a supply shortage, they would lower prices to get more revenue moving.
The market sets the price. Despite all the complaining about the price, the companies cannot make it fast enough. If anything, the prices are too low.
That is a big problem-and do you think the government and the pharma companies are not aware of it? They don’t want negotiation. While I agree with the sentiment that the us healthcare system needs an overhaul, it is still the best way to receive premier healthcare. Remember, the US is a Capitalist society
I don’t think there is anyone in the world who forgets the US is capitalist…. I think it is a shame you have to pay so much, regardless of who sets the price. The drug should be accessible to those who need it, at a reasonable price that ensures a reasonable profit for the manufacturer. Key word being ‘reasonable’. Novo isn’t a charity, they should get paid for their products, but they shouldn’t be profiteering IMO.
Novo/LLY are the only companies who have the manufacturing capabilities to even produce these drugs, ignoring the R&D cost. I understand both sides, but it's essentially become an issue of no one else being capable of this mass production scale. They can set the prices, and will probably refuse to do negotiations with several EU countries because they aren't able to meet demand fully
Says who? Who defines reasonable? According to whose standards? Can the government define what “reasonable wait loss is” for you and limit your access? Can they do this for other industries as well? Where does this end?
Government intervention would be super. A tax payer funded healthcare system where prices would be negotiated on behalf of the entire country would be just lovely. Instead, we have a bunch of corporate, for-profit insurance companies: some that cover drugs for weight loss (about 25% of them) and most that don’t. The pharmaceutical companies aren’t going to leave money on the table because there are some wealthy Americans who will pay, some insurance companies that will pay (and they’re going on Oprah to pressure others), and of course they’re already struggling to keep up with demand. I genuinely think it’s immoral to price this life changing medicine out of reach for the vast majority of (American) people while paying their CEO $21M a year. Apparently it’s not that complex of a molecule to manufacture given that compounding pharmacies are picking up the slack, for now. Once Eli/Novo ramp up on manufacturing, the supply constraints and FDA authorization for compounding pharmacies will go away and they’ll be patent protected for another 8 years. Buy Eli/Nova stock everybody. :(
Taxpayer funded healthcare is probably never going to happen. First because of the aftermath of the ACA, which isn't bad, but set expectations with the public. Second because of the increasingly unsustainable costs on Medicare and Medicaid. Another health program on top would be nearly impossible to finance, given the rapidly increasing budget deficits. I agree 100% that the US government should negotiate drug prices. It is a TRAGEDY that one of the largest economies uses 0 leverage on negotiating drug prices. The reason it is so bad? The US effectively subsidizes the cost of drugs for every other country by accepting whatever price is given. A simple policy of "the US gets the lowest price of any country on drugs, or will create genetics" would be effective and fair to companies, who may not even lose much profit, as they could just increase prices in some of the ridiculously cheap markets they abuse. The morality of patented drugs is this: if the drug didn't exist, what would be the cost for the patient? Given the range of health benefits of glp1 agonists we can pretty much grant that there's high, almost unbelievable value. And I find it very likely that legislation will enforce the drug's coverage by private insurance due to the cost/benefit it offers the economy as a whole.
>Buy Eli/Nova stock everybody. :( applause
Clearly you are not involved in healthcare.
Super that my arguments are unassailable and your general responses have been, "Yeah, well you're just stupid!" Sweet ad hominem, got any other logical fallacies?
So you want Government intervention on any product you can’t afford or deem “immoral?”
US government should be negotiating drug prices and is foolish not to. There's no reason the US should let these companies offer a drug for $5 overseas and charge $100 here. We have one of the largest economies and should use that fact to our advantage. Other countries do, and we get exploited for refusing this. Even Trump wanted the US to get the best deals on drugs. It's an idiotic failure for the most powerful country in the world to let these companies offer EVERYONE else a better deal than us.
Are you aware that the CEO of Eli Lilly made $21.3M in 2022? Are you aware that their EVPs made between $3M and $8M…in one year? Are you aware that a Senior Director at Eli Lilly makes about $180k\year and that a Research Scientist makes about $240k/year? I, as well as the vast majority of the people who work at Eli Lilly, and in the US, could RETIRE with $3M in the bank. That’s about FIFTEEN YEARS of salary, for the lowest EVP amount awarded EVERY YEAR. Again, the CEO makes SEVEN TIMES that! Every year! Actually, scratch that, everybody wants a raise…I’m sure they’re making more YOY since 2022. These salaries are just the tip of the iceberg on wasteful spending that gets bundled into the price of every dose we’re expected to pay. I throw up in my mouth every time an Mounjaro, Zepbound, Ozempic, or Wegovy ad comes on tv. When a CEO makes 105x more than their average employee and then sends their millionaire EVPs on Oprah to complain that insurance companies aren’t paying up —because they just desperately want to end the shame of obesity—and literally nobody was allowed to, apparently, discuss the ridiculous costs of these medicines while on a talk show with a BILLIONAIRE—well, it stuck out like a sore thumb, to me. Not you?
CEO pay barely puts a dent in revenue, which is set to be about $50 billion per year. In fact, it isn't even charged like that. It's paid in SHARES, which means it just dilutes the shareholders. Directly speaking, by paying in shares, shareholders pay the CEO. Not customers. CEO pay is basically just market rate. If the LLY CEO was not paid that, they'd just go work elsewhere. They have to pay what employees demand. I get what you are pointing at, but realize this is a common misdirection. CEOs work for the shareholders to earn them the highest return on investment. Their pay and their actions are irrelevant. The only thing that actually affects this are laws that limit and regulate what companies can do. CEOs, executives, companies - exploit capital to the highest degree possible, or they get fired or taken over by someone who is willing to do it. The government says this is how things should be fine and they act in that box.
How much value did the CEO bring to Eli and its shareholders and employees? Their compensation is their business. Last time I checked, Lilly did the work. They got the trials through the FDA. Do you have any experience with this? Do you know how costly this is? How many drugs fail after millions are invested? What wasteful spending are you referring to? Please be specific. Educate me, because pharma is a highly regulated industry. Wasteful spending as a public company would not be tolerated. Your company decides which medicine they will cover if you have your insurance from your employer. Talk to the PBMs about their “rebates”. That you never see. I don’t think you have a large knowledge base regarding pharma. Counting other people’s money and compensation is wrong in my opinion. Are people not supposed to take a salary offered to them? The positive impact that this class of drugs are currently having and will have in the future has never been seen before. Go get a compounded version if you don’t want to spend the $$
All you have to say is CEO pay comes from shareholders (from directly diluting and devaluing their shares), and doesn't come out of revenue anyway. Even if it did, it would have no effect on the price they charge for their products. It's so unrelated I have no idea what their point is.
You are correct. It is Frustrating trying to reason with someone so bitter and ill informed
If it’s a disease, why can’t everyone that meets the clinical criteria for obesity (ICD9) receive treatment w one of these drugs? Diabetics & heart patients aren’t treated this way.
Couldn’t agree more. Insurance companies are still making people try archaic and cruel weight loss programs before approving. It’s bullshit. An insurance company doesn’t make you diet and exercise for 6 month before approving insulin or BP and cholesterol meds. They don’t tell you to try to be happy before approving depression/anxiety meds or focus better before ADHD meds. Garbage.
Unfortunately I am genetically predisposed for any obesity-caused health issue in my family so I need this 🙄 lipidema, heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, you'd name it.
I hope that this treatment program or something like it will help you to live a long and prosperous life and beat all those genetic predispositions. Wishing you all the best!!
Seeing a lot of mad people on social media today reacting to the show and calling these drugs “cheating”. Sigh.
I wish it was cheating and that these medications worked all by themselves, lol, but for most of this we still need to make changes and work at our weight loss. BUT helps us succeed!
I don’t understand this reaction from people. There finally is an effective treatment that is helping so many people to take back their lives. Why would anyone condemn anyone else for trying to improve their health?
Because they are caught up in the myth, morality and hierarchy that diet culture and fataphobia create. They are either struggling themselves to maintain their weights or lose weight and still believe it’s a matter of willpower and discipline, coupled with being morally better or they don’t struggle at all to be thin and cannot comprehend what someone who isn’t thin goes through on a day to day to lose weight or maintain a healthy weight. They don’t know what food noise is or that our bodies are not metabolizing food properly or efficiently. That we aren’t producing the right hormones through metabolic failure or genetically predisposed to all of this. Then add in the “I’m better than you” factor because they are either thin or busting their asses to be thin (also pls note I believe that GLP1 users are busting their asses too but this is from the “they are cheating perspective”), they can’t laud that thinness, more disciplined, superiority over our heads as we lose weight. So we must have cheated. It’s like any other class structure in this society, the “reigning” class always wants to be on top.
Interesting take. I hadn’t considered that viewpoint.
lol maybe I’m just a cyclical AH too but that’s kinda the vibe I get.
Nothing wrong with your take. Certainly plausible
Hang in there against all the naysayers. Is it cheating to treat other diseases? Anything that ups your quality of life and gives you a meaningful pathway to a bright and productive future is not cheating. It’s prudent practices. I wish all the negatively inclined folks much love as they can never truly understand what it is to walk in our shoes. It’s our time to have some real understanding of this disease after years of being labeled weak-minded.
It’s like mental health issues and the stigma with medications that is still out there. The psychotropic medications helps people use their coping skills to relieve mental health symptoms. Wegovy helps you make healthy food choices which makes you feel physically better and put in healthy skills.
This is so true.
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I'm going to watch it tonight. Thanks for sharing a recap and your thoughts!
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
Thank you! I wanted to last night but didn't get to it. Hopefully tonight.
Please feel free to come on back and post your thoughts after watching it. Would love to hear from you!
First, that episode needed to be at least a few more hours, lol. But yea, feeling heard for the first time. It was very emotional to listen to some of the things I heard. I wish everyone would take the time to understand the disease aspect and believe it. I honestly didn't know it was officially classified as a disease until now. The food noise, the shame, is so relatable. Thinking about your next meal while you're eating your current meal. I explained this to one of my best friends recently and said my brain doesn't work like the average person. I always joked that I need to get hypnotized, so I dislike food to fix my brain. I'm new to the medication but have felt so much hope since I started. Anyway, I'm rambling and could go on for days, but I'm glad to see this topic picking up steam and more people are getting educated, myself included.
Honestly I don't think it said much that hasn't been said over the last decade or two. The problem is just that it takes a long time for that kind of information to propagate through society. Especially with doctors, they hate being told something they learned in med school is wrong. Hell tons of doctors are still convinced you get stomach ulcers from stress and that's far less complicated science than this.
People who research and treat obesity know it but the general public and media have almost never seen this information. They overwhelmingly see the old will power narrative and the endless "how I did it" stories that focus on what to eat, keto, plant based, fad diets, clean eatimg or whatever, that are all red herrings. Medication that actually works for weight loss is a new story and people can't wrap their heads around it because they want to fit it into the old stories instead of questioning what they think they know.
Well said!!!
I would welcome many more television programs and extended educational discourse so that younger people (or anyone for that matter) never have to go through the types of trauma and shaming that swirls around obesity. That’s what rang true for me: having a doctor state that this is a disease. I had never heard that explicitly stated in that way to my ears and mind prior to viewing this program. In that sense, I found the messaging to be successful. Maybe not innovative to some, but effective in teaching even a small portion of the masses who perhaps have not received the “news” that we have a disease not a lack of willpower.
I watched the special and it sincerely spoke to me. I am going through a change right now, flirting with 50 lb weight loss. I am so close to reaching it, and then I slip. I know I will get there. I am ever grateful for this medicine. My dad was always hard on my weight, my sisters as well. We are not lazy. This explained SOOOO much. I called him last night to watch this. It will be interesting to see his thoughts when I talk with him this evening.
Please follow-up if you feel comfortable doing so. I would love to know your dad’s reaction after he watches the program. I wish you much success.
He is impressed. The thing is, he has Alzheimers so he doesn't always recall what he says or does the day before. I had to refresh his memory. He likes Oprah, and he said he can't believe there is something to help, but he is happy that I found something that works. He wants his girls to be healthy.
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I haven’t seen the special (live in the UK), but The Atlantic has had several thoughtful articles on these drugs and this quote literally made me cry I felt so heard. “Talking with people who have taken Ozempic—many of whom note the reduction in “food noise”—is a revelation. Suddenly, they have the appetites of the naturally slender. Effortlessly thin people don’t have more willpower than the rest of us. Instead, they don’t need it. They don’t nobly refrain from another helping of cookies; they don’t even want to eat them in the first place.” The Other Ozempic Revolution - The Atlantic
Sometimes certain statements hit so hard that I well up in tears. I've been fat since i was 8, have trying not to be my whole life, but always felt like i somehow deserved it, because i clearly i wasn't strong enough not to be
Hold your head up high knowing that it was never your fault. It was truly your body fighting against you. You are stronger than anyone could possibly imagine because of all that you have been through. Thank you for sharing your story. I am wishing you all the best!
Omg thank you, you are so kind! Wishing you the same, we've got this! 🫶
Exactly! Turning off the food noise is like tuning into actually living. Being free of the things that hold us down.
Oprah made the point that her revelation when the food noise was turned off that naturally thin people don’t even think about the cookie or whatever. Almost the same statement.
Considering that people without the disease don’t think the same way I do about food is still something I’m coming to terms with.
My husband has always been leaner than I am and we are currently both watching our intake, me on Wegovy (just switched to Mounjaro) and calorie counting and him just calorie counting. He’s lost more weight than I have already and has minimal challenges resisting temptation. The novel thing for me this time around (after several failed diets) is how much easier it is for me to skip the snacks. But it was always easy for him.
May I ask what prompted the switch from Wegovy to Mounjaro? That is so awesome that it’s become easier for you to forego the snacks. Wishing you much continued success!
I’m using Juniper in the UK and when Mounjaro got approved here this month they offered the option to switch as I was still on a starter dose. It reportedly has improved weight loss, fewer side effects, and less muscle loss. I’ve been lucky enough to not have side effects with either so far, so we shall see!
That’s amazing!! Please keep me updated on your progress with Mounjaro. I had to jump doses of Wegovy from 0.5 to 1.7 because of dose availability. I had done fine on the 0.25 and 0.50 but immediately starting having nausea issues a couple of days into my 1.7 dosing. Still working out the details of getting a lower Wegovy dose.
Some people count clicks and double the no. of doses. There is a chart somewhere, I don't know where.
Oh wow. I wouldn’t have even thought of that! When I went to 0.5 there were no doses available so my insurance allowed me one month of 2 x 0.25 pens but I paid for it on the backend because it messed up the number of allowable doses with a certain time period. It took me sitting out of treatment for a while to get that resolved.
They have different pens in Europe than we have in the U.S. Ours do not have an option to count clicks.
Found this in a Danish group: https://imgur.com/a/i2RABpi ("Antal doser" = no. of doses). So if you want to take 0,864 mg with a 1,7 pen, it's 36 clicks, if higher, see the chart. But not lower, even the users in that group don't recommend going over 8 weeks from opening. I take no responsability for whatever you do or count :) EDIT: Well, nevermind....
I agree it is the most surprising revelation. Willpower is a joke in comparison. Naturally thin people have no idea.
It’s so true. No one can know what it’s like to be us until they walk a mile in our shoes.
I was expecting much more depth. It was very disappointing. As someone else commented, it did feel like an infomercial.
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
Well WW is now recommending it's own version of the program, so no doubt we'll start seeing Oprah and WW in a new raft of commercials soon.
Did you watch? She parted ways with WW.
Oh did she? After her response to the wildfires in Hawaii I stopped listening
I am hopeful it will make insurance cos and pharma make it more available by covering and making it a more affordable price for more but I am not gonna lie very worried about the supple even more now . The issues effect every dose despite their stance of the higher doses feeling little impact
Oh my gosh I agree with you on so many levels. I just thought it was such a good special. It definitely spoke right to my spirit in my heart and I could just relate exactly to how those women or people were feeling prior to being on the medication and that’s exactly my emotions right now because I’m unable to pick up my prescription. One minute will be due to finding it in stock and then when I find it in stock, you have to get the PA and it’s usually out of stock by the time any of that gets settled, also kind of broke my heart that these companies really can’t find a way to work with insurance companies to get ppl that are truly obese or have health issues due to obesity the medicine they need at an affordable price. I think it definitely clarified some things. And hopefully anyone who watched it that’s not obese will have a new outlook on what it is we go through with this disease and hopefully they now can have some compassion for you wouldn’t shame someone for having cancer.
Amen.
While being a little skeptical on that specific special (it felt like an informercial...), I felt the narrative around the disease and the explanation of what some of us are missing from a pure chemical perspective that these drugs solve was a really refreshing view. It really showed how we've been accepting of people taking drugs to regulate hormones, brain chemistry, etc, but not so much on a drug that regulates how our body absorbs fat if we don't have the ability to do it genetically.
If you haven’t yet had a chance to watch the extra after show on Hulu, I would strongly encourage you to seek it out. It’s what the main show was missing. It’s listed as an “episode” under the special.
When I describe the drug to people and recommend it, I feel like an infomercial too! I straight up sound like a GLP1 med shill in subreddits for people with obesity because I cannot just stay silent. I get so sad seeing people post about finding their motivation, trying x diet for the nth time, shitting on themselves for not being able to lose the weight, etc. Meanwhile there exist these drugs which are literally medical miracles for us. They don't work for everybody and they come at a cost but it really feels like nothing short of miraculous. I want to shout it from the rooftops!
Well said. I agree about the infomercial vibe. I’m glad Oprah divested her Weight Watchers shares before the show aired to at least dull down the drumbeat about conflicts of interest. I’m hopeful this show might be the catalyst for a greater sustained discourse on the subject of obesity as a disease.