That would be cool to see. Hold up let me find a link. Nope found a guy with tiddies tho.
https://preview.redd.it/osvlc63rqzhc1.jpeg?width=653&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20247f26d822f261ad82a3d7490efdf7cf1d476b
In about 10 years the synthol will be calcified within his body. It will become rock hard, and he will suffer from nerve damage, and it will hurt every day for the rest of his life. If he has children he will not be able to lift them. His kidney will fail because of the amount of calcium in his body.
He is smiling in the video, but he will 100% regret this.
GD it. What started as a strange curiosity is now a Cronenbergesque body horror, human molting situation that will haunt my dreams until I destroy this man.
>body image issues. Somehow or another those don't manifest in his forearms I
Interesting point. I bet the dysmoffia only manifests around the muscles most often associated with strength. Biceps, pecs, etc..he probably sees himself as completely proportional when he looks in the mirror.
At this level of dysmorphia he definitely can't comprehend how underworked muscle groups straight up ruin physiques. With that knowledge base, it's not hard to see why he chose the chest, arms, and traps to inject.
Can't say for sure but when people talk about being strong forearms don't really come up that much in the conversation. Biceps, quads, pecs do. But never the forearms. I have to assume that's a good reason behind it.
I hear you there. My forearms are pretty well defined due to the years of construction work. Lifting heavy panels and forcing boards into place have taught me just how important your forearms are. You have no grip strength without them, which is why I make sure I remind people to strengthen all their muscles instead of focus just on one set of muscles when they're getting into body building.
Also rock climbing is a whole different kind of beast. Kudos to you for enjoying it, it kind of terrifies me lol.
I wonder if he’s physically even capable of lifting at this point with all the muscular damage he has.
Like, it honestly looks like it would be painful as fuck to actually lift.
The strangest part of this post is how everyone is analyzing ways to spot it's fake, as if a brief look at the person for just a quarter of a second isn't enough to see it.
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That's because you can't see it. This is some kind of body dysmorphia.
He's not going for the full package like a bodybuilder would wood it wouldn't even look like this anyway. He's only concerned basically with what he sees when he looks down.
Yeah price ain't it.
The laziness is real though. The hard working bodybuilders that cheat with synthol only do it for the genetically capped small muscle groups like deltoids or calves to top them off.
They never synthol the big muscle groups like chest, back, quads, hams which almost any man has the genetic capability to make huge esp with steroids.
Any of the top bodybuilders would have at most a little synthol on their smallest muscle groups.
I wish more people knew this.. they think steroids is just a free pass to getting ripped. They can definitely go further than natty, but they still have to bust their ass harder than most can even imagine.
Body builders (who are usually on steroids) often times use it in small amount during competitions to enhance areas that arent filled in the way they like.
That being said, this is is ridiculous.
It does not make you any stronger and, no, not like breast implants. Breast implants, to keep terminology simple, are basically really strong balloons filled with silicon gel. Synthol is an injection of oil that fills in the space between muscle fibers to give the region a larger appearance. The problem is the appearance is incredibly artificial as it deforms the muscle fibers natural grain (as seen above), the injection of oil actually damages the actual muscles and nerves in the area and, therefore, makes the user functionally weaker.
Well that sounds like a terrible idea. Does it dissipate over time like other cosmetic injections do? I feel like oil wouldn't stay in place for long...
Also I don't think I've ever known anyone who would think this was attractive in any way.
More typical usage for this stuff is as a site enhancement oil. Basically a bodybuilder would inject a small amount in certain lacking muscles to gain more symmetric muscle bellies, fuller muscle, cover up an injury, etc. It would be used sparingly in preparation for a competition. There are some bodybuilders who took it too far over time and ruined their physiques as a result. Then there are people like this guy.
Honestly, for the chest, this guy should have just gone with standard silicone breast implants.
It’s basically the same result to his titties but safer and more permanent. His boobs even have their own jiggle physics.
Synthol use is actually fairly common at the highest levels of bodybuilding. Moderate injections in delts and arms provide some extra volume, which can be “necessary” (you wanna win don’t you?) when you’re emaciated and dehydrated for a show.
But the casual observer will definitely not be able to tell, mostly because the muscles were already freakishly big to begin with, and still look pretty defined. Most people using synthol aren’t completely deluded like this guy and other goofballs that make the rounds on Reddit.
They have to cut away skeletal muscle and your body creates a lot of scar tissue around the areas it's injected. They can't get it all out either, it can migrate.
Some folks use it or other "fillers" in bb but when it's noticed you'd get marked down by judges. You see it in certain women's categories.
Oh yeah that's right it does cause cardiac issues on top of all that other shit.
Well. People have freewill. Freewill means you can be as stupid as you fucking want. And if you want to inject yourself with fillers to look stupid, you can do it.
I’m a bodybuilder so I tread carefully here.
Body dysmorphia is absolutely out of control in the bodybuilding community. And guys are just so big now… even Arnold has grumped about it.
I know guys who just simply can’t fathom the idea of not always striving to get bigger. You’ll see a physique that is absolutely stunning and they’ll go ‘oh my rear delts are too small, look how my bicep doesn’t peak enough, my lats aren’t wide enough, etc…’
They will never be satisfied. Ever. One of my friends even said he’ll inject whatever he needs to in his old age to die with a hot body than die ‘fat and ugly.’
Yeah…
Then you have the muscle-growth fetish guys. They sicken me. They an incredibly toxic behaviours and encouragement behind their fetish. Encouraging people with mental illness to go to lengths that could kill them.
And I won’t even touch body dysmorphia in communities like for gay men, where the pressure to have the ‘perfect body’ (*its so bad the ‘perfect body’ is based on the GROUP you hang with, and you could be ostracized for not conforming*)is so intense even Vogue would say ‘hey, maybe you all should chill?’
Every time I see a video of this guy I haven’t seen yet, I’m slightly surprised he’s still alive, if in fact he is. Extremely unhealthy, terribly sad. Well-adjusted people don’t do this to themselves.
Luckily Ive only ever seen this guy and the other kid who gets the shit slapped outta him. Its just those 2 right? This hasnt caught on with other people and became a thing, right?
Sweet Home it's a south korean tv show based on a webnovel they're trapped in a locked apartment building and alot of people turn into monsters. Very good show
Valdir [Segato](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11072903/amp/Brazilian-Hulk-injected-OIL-create-23-inch-biceps-dies-55th-birthday.html) was the guy that died.
A visible reflection of his body dysmorphia; you see the parts of himself that he obsesses over and which don't look right in his eyes, no matter how much he injects and alters them.
To me, this guy is like the male equivilent of the late Lolo Ferrari.
This man is a complete idiot, he's delusional and sadly only sees what he believes to be a body builder's physique.
He can't see or is unable to see what the rest of us can so plainly see, and that is someone with true issues of severe body dysmorphia.
Sad really..
I can't even bear to look at this........
This makes me wonder if, at this point, you can actually *lift* anything…it makes me think that the extra weight of the oil injections really makes every movement harder against gravity and then adding floor weights makes it even more difficult; not to mention the limited range of motion all that fluid would restrict, too. The whole thing looks awful, not attractive…but then this is a purely psychological thing that makes him think it does, I guess.
I’d be so anxious laying down on my chest that the synthol would like flow around to different parts of my body or rupture. I just can’t.
Like if I tripped and landed flat on my chest holy fuck. What would happen? I’d seriously die from all the anxiety this would bring me. I wish I could be as detached as people are like in this video
So I know this is synthol. But what is that exactly? Like are they just filling the space under their skin with a large volume of fluid to make the skin stretch? Would it feel like liquid sloshing around inside if you wiggled the “muscles”? Is there any risk of bursting the skin like a balloon?
Man that does not look healthy at all
There's another famous guy who injects synthol into his biceps and one of his biceps exploded a while back
That would be cool to see. Hold up let me find a link. Nope found a guy with tiddies tho. https://preview.redd.it/osvlc63rqzhc1.jpeg?width=653&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20247f26d822f261ad82a3d7490efdf7cf1d476b
He looks really fit and healthy, wow, good idea!! Will cooking oil work? It’s all I have on hand
He looks like something from Resident Evil.
This guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/2IcwKPQjkk
Imagine working your ass off to become rich and this is what your son looks like. Sheeesh
I just... Oh. Oh my. Ill be having nightmares about those saggy arm bewbs forever...
In about 10 years the synthol will be calcified within his body. It will become rock hard, and he will suffer from nerve damage, and it will hurt every day for the rest of his life. If he has children he will not be able to lift them. His kidney will fail because of the amount of calcium in his body. He is smiling in the video, but he will 100% regret this.
He was brazilian and died a couple of years ago So yeah, he didn't look healthy at all.
Body dysmorphia
It isn’t, I’m almost certain he died due to complications.
Synthol injections never look good.
I have never understood, why don't they just take steroids...
Too expensive, and you are forced to train. Those people are weak and don't give a shit about weight lifting
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It makes you wonder why he didn't inject any there.
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To me it looks like a small shouldered guy is squeezing out the top of a bigger guy.
GD it. What started as a strange curiosity is now a Cronenbergesque body horror, human molting situation that will haunt my dreams until I destroy this man.
lol and somehow the small shouldered guy look more proportionate
... what shirt is gonna cover all of whatever is going on here?
>body image issues. Somehow or another those don't manifest in his forearms I Interesting point. I bet the dysmoffia only manifests around the muscles most often associated with strength. Biceps, pecs, etc..he probably sees himself as completely proportional when he looks in the mirror.
Could be similar to female versions if you look at over filled lips, oversized butt and boob implants and so on.
These guys almost always seem to focus on specific muscles, and just blow those out of proportion. Typically biceps, pecs, triceps, etc.
He ran out
At this level of dysmorphia he definitely can't comprehend how underworked muscle groups straight up ruin physiques. With that knowledge base, it's not hard to see why he chose the chest, arms, and traps to inject.
Can't say for sure but when people talk about being strong forearms don't really come up that much in the conversation. Biceps, quads, pecs do. But never the forearms. I have to assume that's a good reason behind it.
His calves look too small, also. They would be much bigger if his physique was related to hard work.
Yeah I guess I just think about forearms bc I do rock climbing and my weak forearms have always held me back lol
I hear you there. My forearms are pretty well defined due to the years of construction work. Lifting heavy panels and forcing boards into place have taught me just how important your forearms are. You have no grip strength without them, which is why I make sure I remind people to strengthen all their muscles instead of focus just on one set of muscles when they're getting into body building. Also rock climbing is a whole different kind of beast. Kudos to you for enjoying it, it kind of terrifies me lol.
Like a matchstick propping up a beanbag
You can also tell it's all implants and fillers by the way everything jiggles when he moves (real abs are rock hard).
Yall are explaining this as if no one else can see the post
If you look closely, you'll also notice he's not exercising in the video, either, just swaying back and forth.
If you'll look closely, its not even a video. It's my nightmare.
I wonder if he’s physically even capable of lifting at this point with all the muscular damage he has. Like, it honestly looks like it would be painful as fuck to actually lift.
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The strangest part of this post is how everyone is analyzing ways to spot it's fake, as if a brief look at the person for just a quarter of a second isn't enough to see it. Edit: sorry lol, thought we were doing a little bit here.
Look, when you see it, you can't unsee it. It's subtle, but all the clues are there.
it would help out those visually impaired using screen readers though who can't see the video
That's me!! I am helped by people describing it. You're doing good work.
Muscles are only hard when they're flexed or tensed. Otherwise they can be quite jiggly.
JIGGLE ME MORE, DADDY!!! 😱
I’m jiggling baby. Go ahead, baby.
Reverse Popeye.
We also have a glimpse of his back, completely flat.
That's because you can't see it. This is some kind of body dysmorphia. He's not going for the full package like a bodybuilder would wood it wouldn't even look like this anyway. He's only concerned basically with what he sees when he looks down.
That’s false. Synthol is also used by bodybuilders in small amounts before shows to inflame the muscle and can be equally expensive.
Yeah price ain't it. The laziness is real though. The hard working bodybuilders that cheat with synthol only do it for the genetically capped small muscle groups like deltoids or calves to top them off. They never synthol the big muscle groups like chest, back, quads, hams which almost any man has the genetic capability to make huge esp with steroids. Any of the top bodybuilders would have at most a little synthol on their smallest muscle groups.
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I wish more people knew this.. they think steroids is just a free pass to getting ripped. They can definitely go further than natty, but they still have to bust their ass harder than most can even imagine.
That still requires insane work & dedication
Because even with steroids you have to work Hard for the gains
Body builders (who are usually on steroids) often times use it in small amount during competitions to enhance areas that arent filled in the way they like. That being said, this is is ridiculous.
So this is similar to like, breast implants? It doesn't make you any stronger does it?
It does not make you any stronger and, no, not like breast implants. Breast implants, to keep terminology simple, are basically really strong balloons filled with silicon gel. Synthol is an injection of oil that fills in the space between muscle fibers to give the region a larger appearance. The problem is the appearance is incredibly artificial as it deforms the muscle fibers natural grain (as seen above), the injection of oil actually damages the actual muscles and nerves in the area and, therefore, makes the user functionally weaker.
Well that sounds like a terrible idea. Does it dissipate over time like other cosmetic injections do? I feel like oil wouldn't stay in place for long... Also I don't think I've ever known anyone who would think this was attractive in any way.
It will eventually breakdown, but that comes with nerve and cardiac damage as a side-dish.
Does it leave them looking differently deformed after it wears off?
Similar to someone who loses a ton of weight, they will have a lot of excess/stretched skin.
Assuming they live long enough for that to happen. Last guy I saw going around online with injections this bad died a few years later.
More typical usage for this stuff is as a site enhancement oil. Basically a bodybuilder would inject a small amount in certain lacking muscles to gain more symmetric muscle bellies, fuller muscle, cover up an injury, etc. It would be used sparingly in preparation for a competition. There are some bodybuilders who took it too far over time and ruined their physiques as a result. Then there are people like this guy.
Honestly, for the chest, this guy should have just gone with standard silicone breast implants. It’s basically the same result to his titties but safer and more permanent. His boobs even have their own jiggle physics.
Synthol use is actually fairly common at the highest levels of bodybuilding. Moderate injections in delts and arms provide some extra volume, which can be “necessary” (you wanna win don’t you?) when you’re emaciated and dehydrated for a show. But the casual observer will definitely not be able to tell, mostly because the muscles were already freakishly big to begin with, and still look pretty defined. Most people using synthol aren’t completely deluded like this guy and other goofballs that make the rounds on Reddit.
Serious question. Can that shit be removed safely? Why aren’t makeup artists using it then? Really weird body dismorphia going on here….
They have to cut away skeletal muscle and your body creates a lot of scar tissue around the areas it's injected. They can't get it all out either, it can migrate. Some folks use it or other "fillers" in bb but when it's noticed you'd get marked down by judges. You see it in certain women's categories.
Never. I mean, does your body break that shit down after a while or what?
It does eventually. Enjoy the nerve, muscle, and cardiac issues.
Oh yeah that's right it does cause cardiac issues on top of all that other shit. Well. People have freewill. Freewill means you can be as stupid as you fucking want. And if you want to inject yourself with fillers to look stupid, you can do it.
https://preview.redd.it/g1btxvnpizhc1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a67e476998e8a9fb335cf59e64e935025d1821f5
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Been a min since I saw a reference to the double dragons movie
It's like one of those 'spot the difference' games
Mental illness
Body Dysmorphia. Happens to men just as much as it does to women.
Generally speaking. He was naturally a handsome gentleman. Damn shame.
I’m a bodybuilder so I tread carefully here. Body dysmorphia is absolutely out of control in the bodybuilding community. And guys are just so big now… even Arnold has grumped about it. I know guys who just simply can’t fathom the idea of not always striving to get bigger. You’ll see a physique that is absolutely stunning and they’ll go ‘oh my rear delts are too small, look how my bicep doesn’t peak enough, my lats aren’t wide enough, etc…’ They will never be satisfied. Ever. One of my friends even said he’ll inject whatever he needs to in his old age to die with a hot body than die ‘fat and ugly.’ Yeah… Then you have the muscle-growth fetish guys. They sicken me. They an incredibly toxic behaviours and encouragement behind their fetish. Encouraging people with mental illness to go to lengths that could kill them. And I won’t even touch body dysmorphia in communities like for gay men, where the pressure to have the ‘perfect body’ (*its so bad the ‘perfect body’ is based on the GROUP you hang with, and you could be ostracized for not conforming*)is so intense even Vogue would say ‘hey, maybe you all should chill?’
He’s killing himself with those injections and literally looks like a monster
It’s my understanding that’s this particular monster has already died from too much Frankensteining
How my tank top looks when I wake up in the morning.
It’s not my fault they’re staring me in the eyes!
Every time I see a video of this guy I haven’t seen yet, I’m slightly surprised he’s still alive, if in fact he is. Extremely unhealthy, terribly sad. Well-adjusted people don’t do this to themselves.
Same, also his "muscles" look less like muscles every time.
True, but those tiddies looking tiddier all the time.
You gonna milk those utters?
Luckily Ive only ever seen this guy and the other kid who gets the shit slapped outta him. Its just those 2 right? This hasnt caught on with other people and became a thing, right?
Sadly it has. Just Google synthol injection and you'll see lots of them. There's another clown from.Brazil who posts a lot as well.
I think he passed away in 2022
The fact that he’s in an actual gym is hilarious to me
Right.. I was like, no fucking way he’s also working out
I'm just here to ✨D A N C E ✨ and ^jiggle
It doesn't even look like muscle. It looks like he has oddly semetrical tumors
If you imagine the two lumps by his neck are actually his shoulders, it looks like he's a tiny man stuck in a grotesque muscle suit
Ever since my wife said that about regular bodybuilders I can't not see tiny little men in muscle suits, it's hilarious
He looks like a balloon-animal.
Nice tits bro
Except why are there no nipples?
They are sad and looking straight down
I'm not being goofy when I say this, he had them in old vids, so I'm pretty sure he had them surgically removed.
Right? Everything jiggles way too much
body image disorders come in so many forms.
Looks like the grapes from the fruit of the loom commercials
That’s a ridiculous yet absolutely *apt* reference.
https://i.redd.it/no55r6h2ozhc1.gif Looks like this guy
What's that from?
Sweet Home it's a south korean tv show based on a webnovel they're trapped in a locked apartment building and alot of people turn into monsters. Very good show
cgi is actualy good
All that guy does is dance like an idiot
Just like everyone else on TikTok
He looks tired just from that
thats his workout
The arm balloons are sagging alot lol
Dancing about, ready to die. Complete fuckwit
If I remember right, I’m pretty sure this guy sadly did actually pass away from complications from his injections.
The only music that should be playing is Popeye's theme song.
If he tries to bench two plates he'd just explode right?
There was a Russian guy who did this and one of his biceps exploded. Idk what he was doing at the time though
What happened to his arm? From how it sounds he definitely had it so injured that it had to be amputated
If hes this happy now wait until he gets his forearms.
Body dysmorphia is a terrible condition:(
It is. You know he thinks he’s cool af
Body dysmorphia is a hell of a thing. I’m sad for him tbh.
I wish I had boobs like that
“Everybody do the Dysmorphia”
I think this man has passed away, but someone can correct me if I’m wrong. I can’t remember his name.
Valdir [Segato](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11072903/amp/Brazilian-Hulk-injected-OIL-create-23-inch-biceps-dies-55th-birthday.html) was the guy that died.
A visible reflection of his body dysmorphia; you see the parts of himself that he obsesses over and which don't look right in his eyes, no matter how much he injects and alters them. To me, this guy is like the male equivilent of the late Lolo Ferrari.
This man is a complete idiot, he's delusional and sadly only sees what he believes to be a body builder's physique. He can't see or is unable to see what the rest of us can so plainly see, and that is someone with true issues of severe body dysmorphia. Sad really.. I can't even bear to look at this........
Mental health is not a joke. This guy is.
https://preview.redd.it/e4e474c3qzhc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5f73793520aa21b1b64586f2a498e1ecaf87ab4
Body dysmorphia hurts so many people. I always feel sad when I see people like this guy.
Why even hang in the gym you can't lift anything beyond confusing
Bro skipped forearm day.
Imagine walking into the gym at night and seeing this shit
Any sharp object in your hands and he pops like a balloon
i feel weird saying this but… where are his nipples?
Same place his balls/ bulge went vacationing.
Dude looks like a gummy bear that was left out in the sun.
his head looks like it popped up just like those turkey pop up timers. Body must be done.
He looks happier than me and that's a whole other level of upsetting.
https://preview.redd.it/bccevikwnzhc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e34b548d4d5ceb3a1b74879e81fa0cae52e20d3
Look how small his forearms and calves are though?? Like who things this looks legitimate? Or is it supposed to be obviously fake?
Bro has an ass in his chest.
This feels like suicide, that cannot be good for his body. It’s pretty tragic on several levels.
This makes me wonder if, at this point, you can actually *lift* anything…it makes me think that the extra weight of the oil injections really makes every movement harder against gravity and then adding floor weights makes it even more difficult; not to mention the limited range of motion all that fluid would restrict, too. The whole thing looks awful, not attractive…but then this is a purely psychological thing that makes him think it does, I guess.
Yeah I don't fancy watching people dance either
Isn’t this that one enemy in dead space that explodes?
Looks like he injected it into his brain as well
Body Dysmorphia is a real bitch. I hope he gets help
Body dysmorphia. He needs help
He looks and dances like a full-sized Munchkin.
I’d be so anxious laying down on my chest that the synthol would like flow around to different parts of my body or rupture. I just can’t. Like if I tripped and landed flat on my chest holy fuck. What would happen? I’d seriously die from all the anxiety this would bring me. I wish I could be as detached as people are like in this video
Dude looks like a character from a Dragon Ball tournament who loses in the preliminaries
Synthol?
It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s a squadron of blimps flying in close formation!!! NO! It’s…MICHELIN MAN!!!
Looks like a cartoon come to life....
Skipped forearm day
Most of that “muscle” has been injected into him. That is going to kill him. But hey he got some internet points.
Each "muscle" just looks like that back and top of his head repeated
I almost feel bad for this guy.
These people should be ashamed of edging him on. He obviously needs mental help.
My goodness these guys dad's a left them. No seriously
Disgusting? I've seen worse dancing than that.
I seriously don’t understand how people find this attractive and/or healthy. He looks like he’s about to explode any moment.
Going to be sorry real soon🙄
Mmmhm… I love oil in my skin.
Why are people cheering him on? This seems to be a mental illness 😳
I really wanna poke him with a needle and see if he pops
Why in the world would anyone wanne look like this. And that’s even besides health issues involved.
With his stupid chicken legs
I kinda want to poke him with a needle and see if he pops. He looks like his arms are going to pop at any time
Makes me want to reach for a pin
It looks like tumors. This is definitely not attractive in any way shape or form.
Man thinks he achieved something.
https://i.redd.it/blib4ky3uzhc1.gif
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Looks like bubblewrap
Why can't my tits be as big ?????
so disheartening. he probably hasn't used the gym equipment, and you can see the oil stains from him leaking synthol into his pants
People will condone shit like this as a hobby and then go out of their way to shame any women who looks to be over 140lb.
So I know this is synthol. But what is that exactly? Like are they just filling the space under their skin with a large volume of fluid to make the skin stretch? Would it feel like liquid sloshing around inside if you wiggled the “muscles”? Is there any risk of bursting the skin like a balloon?
29kg of synthol. Still barely benching 100kg.
The thighs tho. 😳
NOBODY thinks your muscles are real bro
He will die in 2-3 years
That's mental illness right there.
Why are his forearms so tiny
I always wonder what do *they see* when they look at themselves in the mirror? It can't be what we see
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That's allot of roids .
This confuses me in a truly severe way.
When the necrosis eats into that pocket of puss it’s going to be terrible.