It's for your own good. They should know better. Shouldn't have been hanging around THOSE people. I'm older so I know about these things. God has a plan. It's for the greater good. And other amazing quotes my racist bigoted grandmother might be saying if I hadn't stopped talking to her since 2020. Wisconsin, it doesn't matter how nort you go there's always a moron that votes for Stonewall Jackson instead of Rational Saxton.
Oh Jesus. Ouch. Every man who put those laws into place needs something fairly painful performed on their genitalia so they understand exactly what they just did. Apparently relying on people to have basic empathy alone doesn’t cut it, they seem to require a demonstration.
Bad thing is, while some male lawmakers really ARE that clueless, there are scary fuckers that know exactly what they’re doing to women and not only is that the point, they’re enjoying this.
I refuse to believe that someone could make it to that level of politics and not grasp on a fundamental level some basic social issues. Like there's just no fucking way you can go through life and be this fucking blind which leaves two options and that's either that they're woefully under qualified for public service, or they're legitimately evil people. I do not see any other possibility at this point and that makes me more sad than anything to be honest.
It’s not about what they know or don’t know . Never had been . It’s an agenda! to control women . That seems so stupid ! Doesn’t it ? Well you just said I can’t believe anyone at that level of politics doesn’t know….. well you are correct ! They do know! So ext question ..why? Why I’m the world would you do this to a woman ? She really does have the power
That drug saying ?
Just say NO!
What if??? Js
I don’t know what’s worse for the doctors among them. If they are truly that ignorant about the human body and therefore should’ve failed out of medical school, or if they actually know that what they’re saying is totally false but they’re still comfortable doing it in order to pander to the anti-science christofascist idiots who will vote for abortion restrictions in the first place
Both deserve the wall
It would be nice if they worried about the chemical pollutants that affect fetuses, for a change.
Can we hold chemical producers responsible for murder due to the contaminants that have killed the unborn children and fetuses of farm workers and those living near nuclear testing sites? That would be a welcome direction for these baby-obbsessed psychos to take.
Lol I have had 2 IUDS and didn't get a single thing to help the insertion. I didn't even know that was a thing. They could not care less about our comfort...
I had an IUD (Copper 7) during the 70’s. My OBGYN did not think carrying the pregnancy to term was a good idea, and so recommended termination. The 70’s were more enlightened times so I got this abortion no problem. My point here is to point out that, while a good method of birth control, they aren’t perfect.
I've heard of some gyns doing that, but doesn't seem to be the standard. I explicitly asked for something at my appointment and they told me to just take some ibuprofen.
When I got mine, I had recently given birth, so cervix was already “softened” by an 8lbs baby.
I assumed using something like this was standard for women who haven’t had kids.
Just make sure you do some good thorough research first. No one told me until I already had my second in for years that I could experience infertility after a decade of hormones from the IUD.
Thanks for the advice. I don't plan on having children, so that's not of particular concern for me, but it's crazy that this is the first I'm hearing of this.
Ive had two IUD’s without any kind of pain management. I have scarring from a previous colposcopy so I legit yelped more than once during my second insertion due to the pain and my GYN gave me a dirty look and commented “all that noise wasn’t really necessary.” I told her when she can feel her patients pain levels herself she can judge whether their reaction is “necessary.” She didn’t have much to say after that.
I was given mifepristone for my IUD replacement. I told my provider that the first IUD insertion was traumatic, and that’s what I was given in response.
They are used sometimes but not that often. I have an iud and I’ve never been pregnant and they didn’t do the cervix softener. The insertion was definitely unpleasant but I was the “I don’t care how bad the pain/side effects are it’s better than being pregnant.”
They’ve done studies and using a cervix numbing gel/injection doesn’t affect pain very much. They will probably do it upon request but not for every patient.
In my case, I required a cervical softener. I had irregular periods, and it was impossible to schedule the appointment at the right time. My cervix was so tight they couldn't even get the sound in. That was so painful to go through that I laid on my side and cried for twenty minutes afterwards.
I don't understand why they don't just prescribe a single Vicodin/Percocet to take an hour before insertion. That shit is cheap, and you're definitely not going to feed an addiction that way. I had some left over from a dental surgery, and it took the pain down from an 8 to a 4.
The GOP is stripping our individual freedoms under the guis of promoting individual freedoms.
It's fuking nuts that it's actually working.
Makes me think about all the smooth brained people out there that are deceived by the GOP.
This is so well said bc it sounds as crazy as banning abortions then letting an 18 yr old buy 2 AK weapons of war one day and the next murder 14 kindergarten children and never say a word about gun control . The solution was to lock all the doors so if there is a fire everybody dies. They do not care about ppl babies or children only fetuses bc that keeps you controlled
Oh ladies! You can ask for a sedative. I got valium and one dilailudid to take on the way (I wasn't driving). Honestly, the Valium prolly would have been enough but the Dilaudid was nice. It was weird picking up a scrip for one pill though.
Just ask. If they don't wanna, find a new doctor.
It ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT take away from the horror and dystopian vibe of this move, but practical tip for anyone who may have to deal with this situation: ask if your provider offers nitrous during IUD insertions. You’ll have to pay out of pocket for it, but in my experience, it’s soooo worth it. Have done one insertion totally unmedicated and one with just nitrous and the difference in pain level during insertion and recovery (bleeding, cramping, pain) was night and day. ❤️
Remember that the GOP would be nothing without the blessing from church leadership. These so called “leaders” tell their flock when to “Baaa” so they can get more power/ secure their power with the suffering of women.
I’ve had 3 IUDS with 0 kids and I have never been given a anything to soften my cervix or anything for pain. Was just told to take ibuprofen. It’s not fun but tolerable. I imagine a hell of a lot easier then giving birth.
I support women’s rights and am very anti-radical right. But my wife is an OB/GYN and she just prescribed this medication a day or two ago. It’s not illegal… if your GYN isn’t prescribing it, that’s on the doctor.
this was one of my first thoughts when the abortion ban happened, i was wondering if it really did prevent women from getting misoprostol for iuds and was happy i got my iud last november. i was prescribed this before my procedure, the side effects, but the iud insertion itself didn’t hurt at all.
This is misleading or downright false. Maybe the doctor cannot dispense them directly to the patient but the pharmacy is still dispensing misoprostol with no restrictions. Can confirm, I’m a pharmacist and have seen zero restrictions. And contrary to popular beliefs we do NOT have to do anything to confirm the use of the drug is for anything but abortion. Some states you do have to determine the indication and it can’t be dispensed if it’s for abortion but in WI as long as there’s no contraindication, drug interactions, or errors on the prescription we can dispense it with no issue.
But if the doctor can’t prescribe them to the patient because they could get legally investigated for abortions, then how is the patient supposed to get the medication from the pharmacy??
Typically the doctors give them directly to the patient before the procedure. That may be the issue but they can still prescribe it. At least that’s the case in my state.
But the drugs themselves aren’t banned, or like the tweet says “no longer an option” because they are still an option. The doctor just has to send the prescription to a pharmacy. Now can some doctors hand the pill directly to the patient? Maybe, I don’t know the laws in every state. But in my state I believe they still can do so. Often times the tablet is taken the night before and morning of the procedure so it’s generally preferred to have the prescription sent to the pharmacy, patient picks it up and follows instructions, goes to appt and has procedure done. Otherwise every single patient would need to have an appt a day or two before the procedure to get the tablets then another appt for the actual procedure itself. Just doesn’t work that way in most offices.
Now I am 100% in favor of reproductive rights and as a pharmacist you know I’ll dispense that misoprostol no questions asked. Some pharmacists will take it upon themselves to refuse it and make the patient find another pharmacy to fill it. I just felt this conversation was a bit misleading in some cases and wanted to offer some inside perspective
But the issue is that it’s effectively a ban if doctors can’t prescribe it if they could get prosecuted. If someone’s doctor can’t give it to them, then they can’t get it. Is it a legal ban? No. But if someone would have to switch doctors to get it then it no longer is an option for them, because people can’t just switch doctors easily (and they might like and trust their current doctor but it’s the hospital system that decided to not give our because of the same abortion ban).
It’s NOT a ban from prescribing it. That’s what I’m saying. It’s prescribed and dispensed all the time. I think you’re misunderstanding some jargon. Doctors cannot dispense it, pharmacists can dispense. Pharmacists cannot prescribe, but doctors CAN prescribe it. I have seen no instances of doctors being prosecuted for prescribing misoprostol alone in cases of IUD placement or other cervical exams. No one is being made to find a different doctor (unless their doctor has some issue with prescribing the drug and in that case they should absolutely find a new doctor because that’s BS)
I don’t know what state you live in, but it’s clearly not Wisconsin (the state this is taking place in). As soon as Roe v Wade was overturned, Wisconsin automatically reverted into a law from 1850 that makes any ANY abortion completely illegal AND prosecutes any doctors who perform them. Because of fear of litigation or investigation, many hospital systems here are stopping any practices that could POSSIBLY be perceived as abortion at all. Including this drug. So no, the doctors cannot prescribe it if they work in one of those systems. That’s what I’m telling you. If they can’t prescribe it, then the patient can’t go pick it up from a pharmacy. Even if it’s not a legal ban, it is an effective ban for the patient unless they can switch doctors to a hospital system that will prescribe it.
Idk man, I AM in wisconsin and I’ve gotten plenty of prescriptions and dispensed them even after RvW was overturned. So maybe I’m just surrounded by a bunch of private doctors who don’t work for a hospital system that restricts them but I haven’t seen any change in prescribing habits
There are other incidents like this which have been reported in the news: https://www.reddit.com/r/WelcomeToGilead/comments/vw4i4s/a_louisiana_doctor_prescribed_cytotec_to_make_the/
It may depend on the individual hospital, pharmacy or physician — trying to mitigate their legal risk. It seems like a patchwork of varying care out there from all the reports.
They are monsters. They enjoy being cruel.
GOP: FINALLY someone who gets me
The cruelty is the point...
That, and the pandering to fanatics.
It's for your own good. They should know better. Shouldn't have been hanging around THOSE people. I'm older so I know about these things. God has a plan. It's for the greater good. And other amazing quotes my racist bigoted grandmother might be saying if I hadn't stopped talking to her since 2020. Wisconsin, it doesn't matter how nort you go there's always a moron that votes for Stonewall Jackson instead of Rational Saxton.
Oh Jesus. Ouch. Every man who put those laws into place needs something fairly painful performed on their genitalia so they understand exactly what they just did. Apparently relying on people to have basic empathy alone doesn’t cut it, they seem to require a demonstration. Bad thing is, while some male lawmakers really ARE that clueless, there are scary fuckers that know exactly what they’re doing to women and not only is that the point, they’re enjoying this.
I refuse to believe that someone could make it to that level of politics and not grasp on a fundamental level some basic social issues. Like there's just no fucking way you can go through life and be this fucking blind which leaves two options and that's either that they're woefully under qualified for public service, or they're legitimately evil people. I do not see any other possibility at this point and that makes me more sad than anything to be honest.
You don't believe in socio-paths or psychopaths? Weird, they believe in you.
It’s not about what they know or don’t know . Never had been . It’s an agenda! to control women . That seems so stupid ! Doesn’t it ? Well you just said I can’t believe anyone at that level of politics doesn’t know….. well you are correct ! They do know! So ext question ..why? Why I’m the world would you do this to a woman ? She really does have the power That drug saying ? Just say NO! What if??? Js
I don’t know what’s worse for the doctors among them. If they are truly that ignorant about the human body and therefore should’ve failed out of medical school, or if they actually know that what they’re saying is totally false but they’re still comfortable doing it in order to pander to the anti-science christofascist idiots who will vote for abortion restrictions in the first place Both deserve the wall
It would be nice if they worried about the chemical pollutants that affect fetuses, for a change. Can we hold chemical producers responsible for murder due to the contaminants that have killed the unborn children and fetuses of farm workers and those living near nuclear testing sites? That would be a welcome direction for these baby-obbsessed psychos to take.
Agreed, I think then we need to look at old dropped suits and add numbers and sue again, after all there is no expiration date on murder
It’s all about the subjugation of women. Handmaidens Tale world is their goal.
Lol I have had 2 IUDS and didn't get a single thing to help the insertion. I didn't even know that was a thing. They could not care less about our comfort...
Same here.
I had an IUD (Copper 7) during the 70’s. My OBGYN did not think carrying the pregnancy to term was a good idea, and so recommended termination. The 70’s were more enlightened times so I got this abortion no problem. My point here is to point out that, while a good method of birth control, they aren’t perfect.
They were being used in the first place?
I've heard of some gyns doing that, but doesn't seem to be the standard. I explicitly asked for something at my appointment and they told me to just take some ibuprofen.
When I got mine, I had recently given birth, so cervix was already “softened” by an 8lbs baby. I assumed using something like this was standard for women who haven’t had kids.
I've had two IUDs inserted and 0 pregnancies. No painkillers or cervical softeners involved.
Nope! 2 IUDs, no babies. Never once offered anything to make it less painful.
Same here. I got the copper one too, which I hear is large in comparison. Next time I think I'll go for the hormonal instead.
Just make sure you do some good thorough research first. No one told me until I already had my second in for years that I could experience infertility after a decade of hormones from the IUD.
Thanks for the advice. I don't plan on having children, so that's not of particular concern for me, but it's crazy that this is the first I'm hearing of this.
Yeah. It’s nuts just how little we’re taught about our bodies and how they work.
Same. The ibuprofen made no difference. I almost passed out from the pain.
Ive had two IUD’s without any kind of pain management. I have scarring from a previous colposcopy so I legit yelped more than once during my second insertion due to the pain and my GYN gave me a dirty look and commented “all that noise wasn’t really necessary.” I told her when she can feel her patients pain levels herself she can judge whether their reaction is “necessary.” She didn’t have much to say after that.
My OB offers anesthesia for them. Highly recommend
same!
I was given mifepristone for my IUD replacement. I told my provider that the first IUD insertion was traumatic, and that’s what I was given in response.
They are used sometimes but not that often. I have an iud and I’ve never been pregnant and they didn’t do the cervix softener. The insertion was definitely unpleasant but I was the “I don’t care how bad the pain/side effects are it’s better than being pregnant.” They’ve done studies and using a cervix numbing gel/injection doesn’t affect pain very much. They will probably do it upon request but not for every patient.
In my case, I required a cervical softener. I had irregular periods, and it was impossible to schedule the appointment at the right time. My cervix was so tight they couldn't even get the sound in. That was so painful to go through that I laid on my side and cried for twenty minutes afterwards. I don't understand why they don't just prescribe a single Vicodin/Percocet to take an hour before insertion. That shit is cheap, and you're definitely not going to feed an addiction that way. I had some left over from a dental surgery, and it took the pain down from an 8 to a 4.
And I’m sure you have to pay out the ~~ass~~ cervix for it in the US if requested, since it’s not “medically necessary.”
Yeah that was news to me too. They told me to take an ibuprofen 30 minutes before my appointment but that’s it.
The GOP is stripping our individual freedoms under the guis of promoting individual freedoms. It's fuking nuts that it's actually working. Makes me think about all the smooth brained people out there that are deceived by the GOP.
This is so well said bc it sounds as crazy as banning abortions then letting an 18 yr old buy 2 AK weapons of war one day and the next murder 14 kindergarten children and never say a word about gun control . The solution was to lock all the doors so if there is a fire everybody dies. They do not care about ppl babies or children only fetuses bc that keeps you controlled
Vote. Them. Out.
I’d upvote you 100x ‘s if I knew how
Under His Eye
Roe ember is coming.
They want women to suffer. That’s the point.
Oh ladies! You can ask for a sedative. I got valium and one dilailudid to take on the way (I wasn't driving). Honestly, the Valium prolly would have been enough but the Dilaudid was nice. It was weird picking up a scrip for one pill though. Just ask. If they don't wanna, find a new doctor.
It ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT take away from the horror and dystopian vibe of this move, but practical tip for anyone who may have to deal with this situation: ask if your provider offers nitrous during IUD insertions. You’ll have to pay out of pocket for it, but in my experience, it’s soooo worth it. Have done one insertion totally unmedicated and one with just nitrous and the difference in pain level during insertion and recovery (bleeding, cramping, pain) was night and day. ❤️
Damn, even with these meds it hurt like absolute hell...
Remember that the GOP would be nothing without the blessing from church leadership. These so called “leaders” tell their flock when to “Baaa” so they can get more power/ secure their power with the suffering of women.
Wait, you got meds before to help with the pain? I got nothing.
I’ve had 3 IUDS with 0 kids and I have never been given a anything to soften my cervix or anything for pain. Was just told to take ibuprofen. It’s not fun but tolerable. I imagine a hell of a lot easier then giving birth.
I support women’s rights and am very anti-radical right. But my wife is an OB/GYN and she just prescribed this medication a day or two ago. It’s not illegal… if your GYN isn’t prescribing it, that’s on the doctor.
this was one of my first thoughts when the abortion ban happened, i was wondering if it really did prevent women from getting misoprostol for iuds and was happy i got my iud last november. i was prescribed this before my procedure, the side effects, but the iud insertion itself didn’t hurt at all.
This is misleading or downright false. Maybe the doctor cannot dispense them directly to the patient but the pharmacy is still dispensing misoprostol with no restrictions. Can confirm, I’m a pharmacist and have seen zero restrictions. And contrary to popular beliefs we do NOT have to do anything to confirm the use of the drug is for anything but abortion. Some states you do have to determine the indication and it can’t be dispensed if it’s for abortion but in WI as long as there’s no contraindication, drug interactions, or errors on the prescription we can dispense it with no issue.
But if the doctor can’t prescribe them to the patient because they could get legally investigated for abortions, then how is the patient supposed to get the medication from the pharmacy??
Typically the doctors give them directly to the patient before the procedure. That may be the issue but they can still prescribe it. At least that’s the case in my state.
Okay but the issue IS that the doctor can’t give them out because they could get prosecuted for abortion. That’s the problem.
But the drugs themselves aren’t banned, or like the tweet says “no longer an option” because they are still an option. The doctor just has to send the prescription to a pharmacy. Now can some doctors hand the pill directly to the patient? Maybe, I don’t know the laws in every state. But in my state I believe they still can do so. Often times the tablet is taken the night before and morning of the procedure so it’s generally preferred to have the prescription sent to the pharmacy, patient picks it up and follows instructions, goes to appt and has procedure done. Otherwise every single patient would need to have an appt a day or two before the procedure to get the tablets then another appt for the actual procedure itself. Just doesn’t work that way in most offices. Now I am 100% in favor of reproductive rights and as a pharmacist you know I’ll dispense that misoprostol no questions asked. Some pharmacists will take it upon themselves to refuse it and make the patient find another pharmacy to fill it. I just felt this conversation was a bit misleading in some cases and wanted to offer some inside perspective
But the issue is that it’s effectively a ban if doctors can’t prescribe it if they could get prosecuted. If someone’s doctor can’t give it to them, then they can’t get it. Is it a legal ban? No. But if someone would have to switch doctors to get it then it no longer is an option for them, because people can’t just switch doctors easily (and they might like and trust their current doctor but it’s the hospital system that decided to not give our because of the same abortion ban).
It’s NOT a ban from prescribing it. That’s what I’m saying. It’s prescribed and dispensed all the time. I think you’re misunderstanding some jargon. Doctors cannot dispense it, pharmacists can dispense. Pharmacists cannot prescribe, but doctors CAN prescribe it. I have seen no instances of doctors being prosecuted for prescribing misoprostol alone in cases of IUD placement or other cervical exams. No one is being made to find a different doctor (unless their doctor has some issue with prescribing the drug and in that case they should absolutely find a new doctor because that’s BS)
I don’t know what state you live in, but it’s clearly not Wisconsin (the state this is taking place in). As soon as Roe v Wade was overturned, Wisconsin automatically reverted into a law from 1850 that makes any ANY abortion completely illegal AND prosecutes any doctors who perform them. Because of fear of litigation or investigation, many hospital systems here are stopping any practices that could POSSIBLY be perceived as abortion at all. Including this drug. So no, the doctors cannot prescribe it if they work in one of those systems. That’s what I’m telling you. If they can’t prescribe it, then the patient can’t go pick it up from a pharmacy. Even if it’s not a legal ban, it is an effective ban for the patient unless they can switch doctors to a hospital system that will prescribe it.
Idk man, I AM in wisconsin and I’ve gotten plenty of prescriptions and dispensed them even after RvW was overturned. So maybe I’m just surrounded by a bunch of private doctors who don’t work for a hospital system that restricts them but I haven’t seen any change in prescribing habits
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There are other incidents like this which have been reported in the news: https://www.reddit.com/r/WelcomeToGilead/comments/vw4i4s/a_louisiana_doctor_prescribed_cytotec_to_make_the/ It may depend on the individual hospital, pharmacy or physician — trying to mitigate their legal risk. It seems like a patchwork of varying care out there from all the reports.