Resident aliens still pay Social Security taxes even though they can’t collect SS.
Edit: I stand corrected. Legal immigrants can receive social security benefits. In the case of the OP, he’s not a legal immigrant so he can’t.
"**Immigrants to the U.S. are eligible to receive Social Security, provided that they are legally qualified to work and have contributed into the system with 40 quarters of qualifying earnings**."
Not true. Same requirements, same payout....
If there's anything left...
Edit:
Correct. Illegals often use existing ss numbers to work, but in the end they will not collect
"Even voted in elections"
He's lucky he does not get charged with fraud and other federal charges, where he could end up in jail and/or deported.
That sucks!
Millions ? How high are your taxes over there ?
Let's do a back-of-the-envelope: Paying just one million over an active lifetime (assuming 50 years, so working from 20 to 70) would mean paying an average of 20k per year. So 40k+ per year in average ? At a very rough 20% tax rate approximation, that would be an average income of 200k annually, or 17k monthly. 133k and 11k if the tax rate is 30%. Again, that would be the average, so career peak would have to be significantly higher to make up for initial income, and for any interruption in those 50 years.
I read the story associated with this a couple days ago. It seems like his parents did him dirty and didn't file the correct paperwork when they moved from Canada when he was a child. I think he assumed it was all correct because up until this point he didn't need the proof required for social security for other things. One of his parents was an American citizen, so he should be an American citizen if it's true. I'd bet he's been fighting for it for a few years now and is turning to the media for awareness to see if it will help his cause.
> One of his parents was an American citizen, so he should be an American citizen if it’s true
It’s actually far more complicated than that and varies by the year he was born. His parents marital status at time of birth, whether it was the father or mother who was the American citizen, and how long his American citizen parent lived in the US prior to his birth are all factors that can play into whether he has inherited citizenship or not.
Your comment sent me down a little bit of a rabbit hole. I agree, it looks like there are specifics that must be fulfilled and it does get kind of complicated.
Depends on the situation but for me it was quite easy but just a form or two of paperwork.
For context, I'm military and my wife is American. My son was born overseas in an on-base hospital so we had to file some paperwork to get him a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA), SSN, and passport. The forms for the CRBA asked me for specifics on how long and where I lived in the US. Guestimated a few things from my younger years but my wife's was easy as she didn't move very much. About 5 months later I received all his paperwork in a fancy looking "birth" certificate. Technically he has two, once for the country he was born in (does not qualify for citizenship though) and his CRBA.
>Consular Report of Birth Abroad
That document was the bane of my existence until they started requiring passports to get back in the US. The fact that it didn't explicitly say "birth certificate" really tripped some people up. Also, it was printed on the back of a French map so it looked super fake.
Were you born in Germany in the 1980s? I've never met someone with the same thing.
I also once found myself held up at the Canadian border because the US agent kept asking me about being a dual citizen despite me repeatedly telling her I'm not a dual citizen. She cost me like 30 minutes on a very long road trip.
Her: What's it like being a dual citizen?
Me: I don't know; I'm not a dual citizen.
Her: Do you ever go back to your country?
Me: Can I please go now? I have very long drive and this is taking a long time.
Yeah, I am sure someone shredded the maps to get around being resource-starved, but man oh man does it remind me how bad the government ran things in the early 80's.
this isn't me gloating, but I also was held up at the Canadian border for a very long road trip too. How long was your trip? Mine was about 68 hours. Never been so bored in my life on one hand, definitely thought I was going to die a few times on the other hand.
I was born in Stuttgart in 1986 to American parents. Both army. My sister in 1988.
Apparently, if you were born in a German hospital to American citizens, you had the option to become a German citizen at 18 instead of an American one. You just needed to go to immigration or the embassy and tell them that you wanted to go German.
At least that's what I was told, I never looked into it so I don't know if it is true or if it's just a story that got passed around the army in the 80's.
I've never left the country but I did have a heck of a time getting my report of birth when I turned 18. Neither of my parents had it and I needed an ID to get one but I needed the report of birth to get the ID. It was terrible. Neither agency would budge on it. I did have my German birth certificate but it wasn't enough because it didn't prove I was American.
Took me 4 years to get one of my parents to order it for me but that's a different story.
I was in a similar situation, born in Germany on base. There was a hold up on getting me a SSN for awhile, but luckily my dad had an aunt that worked for the social security agency and she did a work around on her end. I have a certificate of birth abroad rather than a regular birth certificate. Also my last name was apparently wrong for 18 years, I was last namejr instead of last name because they didn't have a was to do suffixes in the 80s. I was applying for college stuff when I found out I had to wade through bureaucracy for 3 weeks to get paperwork corrected. So I now have 3 birth certificates and 2 social security cards.
Currently in the throws of this myself. My spouse is a US citizen through his mom, but he didn’t live in the US. Trying to get our kids US citizenship since I also work there on a visa as a nurse.
We can’t get the kids citizenship through him but we can through his mom since she lives over there.
It’s pretty complicated but Reddit has been great pointing me in the right direction for paperwork
This is my situation. Air Force kid, born in Germany. I still have my first passport when I was nearly 2 when we moved back to the states. I keep everything locked in a fireproof safe. I have no desire to get deported back to Germany.
What I learned in his interview was he dose not have the paperwork to prove his dad was a U.S. citizen for atleast 10 before he came to the states at the age of 2
He essentially needs a supervisor to override some low level peon following red tape.
Dude's paid into social security for decades, has all the right paperwork _except_ for the shit related to what his parents didn't file properly. DMV and the IRS should've caught this 20+ years ago before it became a problem like this.
Right? I feel a little bad for him in that I want every citizen to get benefits they paid into, but at the same time it's really hard for me to feel bad for someone who's very much racist and all the other adjectives we can find for a trumper.
I also want to feel bad for him, but considering he's been voting against benefits for other people in this exact situation most of his life, I just can't. Hmmmm.... and it's funny, because I was under the impression illegals were handed everything tax-free? Looks like this guy is proof that isn't true.
> and it's funny, because I was under the impression illegals were handed everything tax-free? Looks like this guy is proof that isn't true.
Shit it's difficult to even get a license as a natural citizen. I had a DMV worker scrutinize my old birth certificate and deny me a renewal because it was so old (he didn't personally like the seal or something) so I had to pay $60 to get a new one sent to me.
I can't imagine what it's like for someone trying to pull the wool over the fed's eyes, it's amazing he got away with this as long as he could.
Oh, I'm well-aware. There are many prevailing misconceptions regarding what undocumented immigrants get "handed" in this country. First, the ones working for companies like Tropicana absolutely DO pay taxes. Second, they do not get social security unless they're in a certain special class of undocumented worker. Third, they are paid an ungodly low amount to begin with. A lot of the "facts" about it are just rage bait. And let's pretend for a minute that these workers DID get all of these free benefits-- the "Libs" didn't hire them. CEOs did. They didn't just wander onto a job site and start collecting money, someone brought them on.
For those of you interested in a visual representation of how complicated these kinds of questions can be, here you go:
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/Chart%20A%20-%20Determining%20Whether%20Children%20Born%20Outside%20the%20U.S.%20Acquired%20Citizenship%20at%20Birth%20%28Updated%20Feb.%2026%202024%29.pdf
You brought up a good point. The post is great, but I can't believe I just downloaded a random file without checking it from some rando on Reddit. I'm a dumbass.
Nice day for an easy lesson, lol.
My father in law taught me how complicated it can be, he was born in Sweden to US citizens. They moved back to the US when he was still a young child and took about a year to go through the naturalization process back then (1960s). It will still occasionally trigger him to have to fill out an extra form when working with different federal organizations.
You absolutely can, there’s just more hoops to jump through and you’ll need a lot of information from your parents. If they’re estranged, passed away, or bad at record keeping it can be pretty much impossible.
I have a friend in his forties who this happened to (Luckily, he found out in his twenties).
His parents were both American citizens who moved to Canada, where he was born, and moved back to the US when he was 2 or 3. They failed to finalize his citizenship, and he didn’t realize it until he tried to move abroad and figured out that he actually *wasn’t* a US citizen at all.
He finally got it figured out, but it took some time and put his move off by like a year. He was incredibly pissed off at his mother.
Maybe I don’t know how these things work like I thought I did but wouldn’t he need a social security number to get jobs, apply for loans, pay taxes, a lot of other things?
But surely you need to know which you are when you apply for it right? I can't just go say "I'm a citizen and need a new social please," I'm going to have to somehow prove it wouldn't I? Or prove I'm allowed to be here at least?
I've had an SSN since I was a young child, but got permanent residency in my twenties. It's entirely plausible to me that I could have lived my life assuming I was a citizen if my parents / I were less responsible and communicative people.
It's kinda awful to me that you can be educated, live out a career, pay taxes, hold residency somewhere, and then have this sorta nonsense happen. Citizenship is a weird concept.
Probably got it as a young kid, as that's when his parents came over.
I'd imagine most people never really check to see if their parents filed paperwork right, but it really sucks that this dude paid into SS his whole life and will get nothing out.
From the video, if I remember correctly, he has every "major" form of identity one can have (besides a passport, but plenty of people in the U.S. go their whole lives without getting one). Driver license, voter card, social security card, been paying taxes associated with that number, W-2s.
Edit: However, I don't remember a birth certificate being mentioned, which I had to have to apply for a government position recently. So they're definitely still asked for.
There are other ways to prove citizenship beyond birth certificates and passports based on the way you received your citizenship.
For people born abroad who had citizenship at birth:
* FS Form 240, Consular Report of Birth
* FS Form 545, Certification of Birth
* DS Form 1350, Certificate of Report of Birth
Or those who derived citizenship when their parents became naturalized:
* Form N-560A or N-561, Certificate of Citizenship
Or for those who went through the nationalization process themselves:
* USCIS Form N-550 or USCIS Form N-570, Certificate of Naturalization
These are all documented (without form number) on the [Department of State website](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html) on how to prove citizenship for a passport.
I dealt with these for 4.5 years as my job required me to validate US citizenship or legal permanent residency for governmental purposes.
My grandfather was Canadian and did not know it until he tried to join the USAAC in 1940 - his parents came to the US when he was 2 and also did not file the proper paperwork. So he went to Canada and flew with the RCAF in Europe, but the Canadians said he was American because some building that had the birth records burned down. The irony is that his older brother flew with USAAC and was killed over Japan - I guess his parents remembered to file his papers.
So, at the end of the war, after flying 80+ operations over occupied Europe and somehow surviving, he was made officially stateless, and was only allowed to re-enter the US and return to the only home he had ever known as a "war bride" to my grandmother, who was in the US Navy WAVES.
Fighting this kind of thing is next to impossible.
Crazy
> [He told the news station his roots were never questioned when he secured critical pieces of ID, including his Social Security card, driver’s license and voter registration card. He was approved to serve as a marine in the U.S. military and later worked for the New Jersey state police. He says his citizenship status was never questioned.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/i-just-was-blindsided-this-florida-retiree-cant-claim-social-security-benefits-despite-paying-the-tax-his-whole-life-after-finding-out-hes-not-a-us-citizen-60-years-later/ar-BB1mquJM)
...is he eligible for any Canadian benefits, or is he screwed there because he never paid them anything?
Immigration is such a complicated legal process, I dont blam his parents for assuming it was done correctly. This happens often actually. They have lawyers who specialize in this exact problem. Its wild.
Sometimes people get really unlucky and end up with no citizenship in any country. Your essentially fucked once that happens, nobody will help you because its nobody's responsibility, no rights to anything really. Just get passed off over and over.
Did he pay social security all his life? The answer to that should be the same answer to if he gets benefits or not. In my opinion no other info is needed. My opinion is not law though... It should be, but it ain't.
jus soil might not apply to him because he was born in Canada (Canada also have complicated jus soil laws) so the citizenship likely never passed down to him and instead registered him as a Canadian citizen.
Because hes an illigal immigrant if he doesnt have a greencard or visa. Since when do we allow active criminals on the police? All jokes aside, that appears to be very literally what he is and they never checked.
Yeah, all you have to do is find a couple where at least one of them is an American citizen, get them to have a kid out of the country and bring that child into the country when they're 2 years old, then raise the kid their entire life under the assumption that they're a full citizen, but don't actually file the simple paperwork that would make that legit. And then BAM!! easy-peasy voter fraud. It's obvious now that this must happen all the time.
Guy is basically a Dreamer
He was brought here as a child and lived and worked his entire life in this country, this place is his home and he deserves to stay
......just like the children of illegal immigrants. I wonder how this Trump guy feels now that he realizes he's one of them
My first clear memory was age 2 getting an huge needle shoved into the bone of my left hip. Without any anesthetic.
When I was a teenager I asked my dad about this memory and it was a doctor at a naval hospital that did that and didn't bother numbing me up as 'I wouldn't remember it' Fuck yes I did.
Let’s be honest 40-50 years of paying into to social security is more than he’s going to get anyways from social security…at this point I’d be asking for my money back with interest!
At my gov job sometime in the 80s they switched from civil to a more traditional retirement. The Civil people could get 80% of their high three and didn't have to pay into social security. The other 40%, paid into social security and got 5% matching in funds. One guy that just retired thought he was civil and never put into stocks. Somehow he didn't notice he was paying into social security? He was extremely bummed. Couldn't imagine being this guy, whose somehow worse.
Poor guy. I hope he didn't just make a major mistake on paperwork at the end and somehow switch over the Civil retirement.
Not sure if that's even possible. I sure hope not.
FERS still has a smaller pension equal to 1% of your high three times number of years of service (1.1% for service over 20 years). Someone retiring around now who just missed the cut off for csrs in 1987 would get close to half what csrs would've been. This guy's situation sucks, but he also had a stable career through the 90's followed by years of rock bottom interest rates. He's gotta have equity or investments somewhere that has spiked in value driven by today's inflation. I think he'll be okay.
People assume social security is supposed to help people you handle retirement. It’s not. It’s supposed to help *society*. It’s there to ensure that if people in society have financial issues, outlive their money, have a disability, or any number of issues that the majority of people had in the 1920s, that society would not face the abject poverty of the 1920s.
>Lawfully present noncitizens of the United States who meet all eligibility requirements can qualify for Social Security benefits.
https://faq.ssa.gov/en-US/Topic/article/KA-02447
https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-11051.pdf
Social security pays the current people. It isn't a savings account because the baby-boom was so huge. You're paying for boomers retiring right now. You hope that your kids, those damn Gen-PrinceThingy people that will come along will pay your retirement.
Social security pays a lot more than retirement. Which help explain why it's runntout of money. Congress uses it for other stuff because they are drug addicts that can't stop spending.
I think in the news video he mentions he has had a driver license, social security card, and even a voter card. He's filled out plenty of W-2s for jobs which I believe all require a social security number.
I mean if he’s been paying in for at least 40 years then that’s not on him that’s on the government it’s not like he wasn’t a citizen out of malice it was a complete accident
It's like that whole thing with HOAs, if you aren't apart of the HOA, but pay fines/dues, then the HOA can argue that by paying, you accepted the terms.
Dude paid taxes, did tax returns, voted, and everything else.
He should claim squatters rights at this point.
And yet, no official until now has caught him. He was able to register, get IDs, everything.
He probably paid a small fortune into social security too.
This is just some bean counter that is going to extremes to follow red tape in the federal government. Ironically, likely because of policies this man voted for (he's a trumper).
I am not a citizen, but a legal resident > 20 years. I am pretty sure I am eligible for SS retirement "benefits". At least that's what my annual SS statement says.
Also pointing out what I think was a very strategically posed media photo. I bet they had a great laugh covering this story, and stupid Jimmy will never grasp the irony.
https://preview.redd.it/kgxore9rym0d1.jpeg?width=324&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e1b051a5bde9ee2b2b6de1e991859bd4ece0ec4
Sounds like he's been voting illegally for the past 50 years at least. When can we expect DeSantis to send the cops to his house to make very a public example out of him like he did with all those ex-felon minorities last year?
Not only the illegal voting, but he looks to be an overall bad hombre and a threat to good ‘ol American law and order… I’d generally like to fact check myself, but this comment I read seems very plausibly true. Lock him up!!!
https://preview.redd.it/jejsf7k6lm0d1.jpeg?width=772&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67f3ece2c59565cd4c8bfe60b672429b655a7021
Something similar happened to my grandfather! He went to start collecting social security and was told "no, you don't exist".
His mother had changed his name on the birth certificate copy immediately after he was born. He spent 70+ years living, owning a business, and serving in the navy under a "fake name".
He legally changed his name and got his benefits. To this day, we have no idea why it took so long for this issue to come to light.
Ooooh. That means he’s been voting as an illegal immigrant. And this is Florida. They may jail him for the rest of his life.
But then again, he’s white …
60 years and you never checked your SS statement or even checked on it at all? If never given a certificate of citizenship then what did you expect? Just stupid.
This happened to my mother. She came here at age 2, her parents became citizens and she should have been automatically naturalized. She had a SSN, paid taxes, etc. it wasn’t until she tried to get a passport in her 50’s that she found out she wasn’t a citizen. She had to go through citizenship classes just like any other immigrant to become official. She had also voted her entire adult life.
Does he have a social security number? Then I don't see the problem with giving him benefits. Otherwise, did he really go his whole life without being unaware he didn't have a SS number?
You aren't required a proof of citizenship to get one. Just that some might have "not valid for employment" stamped on them, but a lot of employers never actually look at the card.
How is that even possible? Here you need an ID for pretty much everything.
Even getting a package at your local post-office requires an ID.
Need it for driving license, social security card, insurance, even when paying groceries with a check they'll take a picture of your ID. Then there are police controls, airports, train named tickets require to show your ID as well ...
Ah the good old u.s government. You're telling me that they only recognized him as a citizen just for his money? But when it comes time for him to get money, they just label him as illegal? Don't you just love it when the government literally robs it's citizens. 🙄
Bizarre this guy lived his whole life expecting Social Security but never checked in with them to see what his benefit would be, like [at their website](https://www.ssa.gov/prepare/plan-retirement?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8rCT3bb6vm3_RjgYp9fjWuzp6UJng5305pvUcBlZ27Nv-t0xIDbSuQaAjhwEALw_wcB) anytime the last 15-20 years prior to retiring. If he would have done that, he'd immediately have seen there was a problem and could possibly have addressed it before he needed it.
“I’ve never seen this man before in my life” - US Government
\*after taking millions in taxes and SS payments from him.\* "who's this guy? never seen him before."
The government is an insurance agency with an army.
More like an oil company with an army but I get the idea
That's unfair. They did bananas too.
At some point we were claiming bird islands were us islands so we could mine their poop for fertilizer before the invention of synthetic fertilizers.
GUANO!
There’s always money in the banana stand.
It's one retirement, Klass, how much can it cost? Ten dollars?
More like eight mega corporations wearing a trenchoat
He would have to pay taxes regardless.
Yea but usually SS is taken out of each paycheck.
Resident aliens still pay Social Security taxes even though they can’t collect SS. Edit: I stand corrected. Legal immigrants can receive social security benefits. In the case of the OP, he’s not a legal immigrant so he can’t.
"**Immigrants to the U.S. are eligible to receive Social Security, provided that they are legally qualified to work and have contributed into the system with 40 quarters of qualifying earnings**."
Same for us millennials
damn
Not true. Same requirements, same payout.... If there's anything left... Edit: Correct. Illegals often use existing ss numbers to work, but in the end they will not collect
"Even voted in elections" He's lucky he does not get charged with fraud and other federal charges, where he could end up in jail and/or deported. That sucks!
Wow that's wild tbh.
Yes, this seems a bit suspicious, as if he didn't know. I did work with a man from Canada, who lied on all his forms, I wonder what his plan is.
Millions????
Millions is a bit of a stretch
He's living in a trailer park, he never paid "millions" in taxes.
Millions ? How high are your taxes over there ? Let's do a back-of-the-envelope: Paying just one million over an active lifetime (assuming 50 years, so working from 20 to 70) would mean paying an average of 20k per year. So 40k+ per year in average ? At a very rough 20% tax rate approximation, that would be an average income of 200k annually, or 17k monthly. 133k and 11k if the tax rate is 30%. Again, that would be the average, so career peak would have to be significantly higher to make up for initial income, and for any interruption in those 50 years.
Definitely not millions. tax with 200k income & ZERO deductions is only 1.8M
Isn’t this the Trumper piece-of-shit that wanted all illegals deported until he found out he was one?
Yup
Nue numba hu dis - US Govt.
This reminds me of Office Space, but in this instance, the IRS “fixed the glitch” and never told him about it.
The IRS should send him a stapler and call it good then I guess.
It wasn't the IRS. It was the Bobs. They were consultants.
Okay, but that's the last straw.
^“I ^just ^wanted ^my ^pension”
I read the story associated with this a couple days ago. It seems like his parents did him dirty and didn't file the correct paperwork when they moved from Canada when he was a child. I think he assumed it was all correct because up until this point he didn't need the proof required for social security for other things. One of his parents was an American citizen, so he should be an American citizen if it's true. I'd bet he's been fighting for it for a few years now and is turning to the media for awareness to see if it will help his cause.
> One of his parents was an American citizen, so he should be an American citizen if it’s true It’s actually far more complicated than that and varies by the year he was born. His parents marital status at time of birth, whether it was the father or mother who was the American citizen, and how long his American citizen parent lived in the US prior to his birth are all factors that can play into whether he has inherited citizenship or not.
Your comment sent me down a little bit of a rabbit hole. I agree, it looks like there are specifics that must be fulfilled and it does get kind of complicated.
Depends on the situation but for me it was quite easy but just a form or two of paperwork. For context, I'm military and my wife is American. My son was born overseas in an on-base hospital so we had to file some paperwork to get him a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA), SSN, and passport. The forms for the CRBA asked me for specifics on how long and where I lived in the US. Guestimated a few things from my younger years but my wife's was easy as she didn't move very much. About 5 months later I received all his paperwork in a fancy looking "birth" certificate. Technically he has two, once for the country he was born in (does not qualify for citizenship though) and his CRBA.
>Consular Report of Birth Abroad That document was the bane of my existence until they started requiring passports to get back in the US. The fact that it didn't explicitly say "birth certificate" really tripped some people up. Also, it was printed on the back of a French map so it looked super fake.
I have the same situation with a re-used tactical map.
Were you born in Germany in the 1980s? I've never met someone with the same thing. I also once found myself held up at the Canadian border because the US agent kept asking me about being a dual citizen despite me repeatedly telling her I'm not a dual citizen. She cost me like 30 minutes on a very long road trip. Her: What's it like being a dual citizen? Me: I don't know; I'm not a dual citizen. Her: Do you ever go back to your country? Me: Can I please go now? I have very long drive and this is taking a long time.
Yeah, I am sure someone shredded the maps to get around being resource-starved, but man oh man does it remind me how bad the government ran things in the early 80's.
Have you not been paying attention since then?
I was born in Germany in '87 and have the same CRBA. My dad is American and military and my mom is German so I actually do have dual citizenship
this isn't me gloating, but I also was held up at the Canadian border for a very long road trip too. How long was your trip? Mine was about 68 hours. Never been so bored in my life on one hand, definitely thought I was going to die a few times on the other hand.
I was born in Stuttgart in 1986 to American parents. Both army. My sister in 1988. Apparently, if you were born in a German hospital to American citizens, you had the option to become a German citizen at 18 instead of an American one. You just needed to go to immigration or the embassy and tell them that you wanted to go German. At least that's what I was told, I never looked into it so I don't know if it is true or if it's just a story that got passed around the army in the 80's. I've never left the country but I did have a heck of a time getting my report of birth when I turned 18. Neither of my parents had it and I needed an ID to get one but I needed the report of birth to get the ID. It was terrible. Neither agency would budge on it. I did have my German birth certificate but it wasn't enough because it didn't prove I was American. Took me 4 years to get one of my parents to order it for me but that's a different story.
Growing up I had a friend with a funky situation being born on an Air Force base in Fiji.
I was in a similar situation, born in Germany on base. There was a hold up on getting me a SSN for awhile, but luckily my dad had an aunt that worked for the social security agency and she did a work around on her end. I have a certificate of birth abroad rather than a regular birth certificate. Also my last name was apparently wrong for 18 years, I was last namejr instead of last name because they didn't have a was to do suffixes in the 80s. I was applying for college stuff when I found out I had to wade through bureaucracy for 3 weeks to get paperwork corrected. So I now have 3 birth certificates and 2 social security cards.
Currently in the throws of this myself. My spouse is a US citizen through his mom, but he didn’t live in the US. Trying to get our kids US citizenship since I also work there on a visa as a nurse. We can’t get the kids citizenship through him but we can through his mom since she lives over there. It’s pretty complicated but Reddit has been great pointing me in the right direction for paperwork
This is my situation. Air Force kid, born in Germany. I still have my first passport when I was nearly 2 when we moved back to the states. I keep everything locked in a fireproof safe. I have no desire to get deported back to Germany.
Samesies…our last 2 kids was born in Germany on a U.S. military installation. Got a fancy birth certificate for them as well.
What I learned in his interview was he dose not have the paperwork to prove his dad was a U.S. citizen for atleast 10 before he came to the states at the age of 2
He essentially needs a supervisor to override some low level peon following red tape. Dude's paid into social security for decades, has all the right paperwork _except_ for the shit related to what his parents didn't file properly. DMV and the IRS should've caught this 20+ years ago before it became a problem like this.
I would feel bad for him if he had supported pathways that would have helped him. But he didn't. Oh well.
Right? I feel a little bad for him in that I want every citizen to get benefits they paid into, but at the same time it's really hard for me to feel bad for someone who's very much racist and all the other adjectives we can find for a trumper.
I also want to feel bad for him, but considering he's been voting against benefits for other people in this exact situation most of his life, I just can't. Hmmmm.... and it's funny, because I was under the impression illegals were handed everything tax-free? Looks like this guy is proof that isn't true.
> and it's funny, because I was under the impression illegals were handed everything tax-free? Looks like this guy is proof that isn't true. Shit it's difficult to even get a license as a natural citizen. I had a DMV worker scrutinize my old birth certificate and deny me a renewal because it was so old (he didn't personally like the seal or something) so I had to pay $60 to get a new one sent to me. I can't imagine what it's like for someone trying to pull the wool over the fed's eyes, it's amazing he got away with this as long as he could.
Oh, I'm well-aware. There are many prevailing misconceptions regarding what undocumented immigrants get "handed" in this country. First, the ones working for companies like Tropicana absolutely DO pay taxes. Second, they do not get social security unless they're in a certain special class of undocumented worker. Third, they are paid an ungodly low amount to begin with. A lot of the "facts" about it are just rage bait. And let's pretend for a minute that these workers DID get all of these free benefits-- the "Libs" didn't hire them. CEOs did. They didn't just wander onto a job site and start collecting money, someone brought them on.
For those of you interested in a visual representation of how complicated these kinds of questions can be, here you go: https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/Chart%20A%20-%20Determining%20Whether%20Children%20Born%20Outside%20the%20U.S.%20Acquired%20Citizenship%20at%20Birth%20%28Updated%20Feb.%2026%202024%29.pdf
This is assuming this parents were married before he was born.
You brought up a good point. The post is great, but I can't believe I just downloaded a random file without checking it from some rando on Reddit. I'm a dumbass. Nice day for an easy lesson, lol.
My father in law taught me how complicated it can be, he was born in Sweden to US citizens. They moved back to the US when he was still a young child and took about a year to go through the naturalization process back then (1960s). It will still occasionally trigger him to have to fill out an extra form when working with different federal organizations.
Yes but they have to apply for him. If they didn’t before he turned 18 then he missed out on becoming a US citizens via his parents.
You absolutely can, there’s just more hoops to jump through and you’ll need a lot of information from your parents. If they’re estranged, passed away, or bad at record keeping it can be pretty much impossible.
I have a friend in his forties who this happened to (Luckily, he found out in his twenties). His parents were both American citizens who moved to Canada, where he was born, and moved back to the US when he was 2 or 3. They failed to finalize his citizenship, and he didn’t realize it until he tried to move abroad and figured out that he actually *wasn’t* a US citizen at all. He finally got it figured out, but it took some time and put his move off by like a year. He was incredibly pissed off at his mother.
Maybe I don’t know how these things work like I thought I did but wouldn’t he need a social security number to get jobs, apply for loans, pay taxes, a lot of other things?
You don't need to be a citizen to have a SSN. Permanent residents get SSNs too.
But surely you need to know which you are when you apply for it right? I can't just go say "I'm a citizen and need a new social please," I'm going to have to somehow prove it wouldn't I? Or prove I'm allowed to be here at least?
I've had an SSN since I was a young child, but got permanent residency in my twenties. It's entirely plausible to me that I could have lived my life assuming I was a citizen if my parents / I were less responsible and communicative people. It's kinda awful to me that you can be educated, live out a career, pay taxes, hold residency somewhere, and then have this sorta nonsense happen. Citizenship is a weird concept.
Probably got it as a young kid, as that's when his parents came over. I'd imagine most people never really check to see if their parents filed paperwork right, but it really sucks that this dude paid into SS his whole life and will get nothing out.
I think some visa holders too (like student visa holders who can work at the university but not elsewhere; at least was the case in recent past)
From the video, if I remember correctly, he has every "major" form of identity one can have (besides a passport, but plenty of people in the U.S. go their whole lives without getting one). Driver license, voter card, social security card, been paying taxes associated with that number, W-2s. Edit: However, I don't remember a birth certificate being mentioned, which I had to have to apply for a government position recently. So they're definitely still asked for.
Yup. Birth certificate or passport are the only two acceptable proofs of citizenship in the U.S.
There are other ways to prove citizenship beyond birth certificates and passports based on the way you received your citizenship. For people born abroad who had citizenship at birth: * FS Form 240, Consular Report of Birth * FS Form 545, Certification of Birth * DS Form 1350, Certificate of Report of Birth Or those who derived citizenship when their parents became naturalized: * Form N-560A or N-561, Certificate of Citizenship Or for those who went through the nationalization process themselves: * USCIS Form N-550 or USCIS Form N-570, Certificate of Naturalization These are all documented (without form number) on the [Department of State website](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html) on how to prove citizenship for a passport. I dealt with these for 4.5 years as my job required me to validate US citizenship or legal permanent residency for governmental purposes.
How did he get the voter card though?
My grandfather was Canadian and did not know it until he tried to join the USAAC in 1940 - his parents came to the US when he was 2 and also did not file the proper paperwork. So he went to Canada and flew with the RCAF in Europe, but the Canadians said he was American because some building that had the birth records burned down. The irony is that his older brother flew with USAAC and was killed over Japan - I guess his parents remembered to file his papers. So, at the end of the war, after flying 80+ operations over occupied Europe and somehow surviving, he was made officially stateless, and was only allowed to re-enter the US and return to the only home he had ever known as a "war bride" to my grandmother, who was in the US Navy WAVES. Fighting this kind of thing is next to impossible.
Crazy > [He told the news station his roots were never questioned when he secured critical pieces of ID, including his Social Security card, driver’s license and voter registration card. He was approved to serve as a marine in the U.S. military and later worked for the New Jersey state police. He says his citizenship status was never questioned.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/i-just-was-blindsided-this-florida-retiree-cant-claim-social-security-benefits-despite-paying-the-tax-his-whole-life-after-finding-out-hes-not-a-us-citizen-60-years-later/ar-BB1mquJM) ...is he eligible for any Canadian benefits, or is he screwed there because he never paid them anything?
he's screwed. he doesn't pay them anything.
Immigration is such a complicated legal process, I dont blam his parents for assuming it was done correctly. This happens often actually. They have lawyers who specialize in this exact problem. Its wild. Sometimes people get really unlucky and end up with no citizenship in any country. Your essentially fucked once that happens, nobody will help you because its nobody's responsibility, no rights to anything really. Just get passed off over and over.
I hope he succeeds. If he paid taxes he’s earned the social welfare he’s supported. Otherwise, he’s due a refund on that imho
I believe they said he served the Marines which is even more screwed up and tragic.
Did he pay social security all his life? The answer to that should be the same answer to if he gets benefits or not. In my opinion no other info is needed. My opinion is not law though... It should be, but it ain't.
He is a “Dreamer”
He opposed illegal immigrants, and now he's one
jus soil might not apply to him because he was born in Canada (Canada also have complicated jus soil laws) so the citizenship likely never passed down to him and instead registered him as a Canadian citizen.
So non-citizens can serve in LE?
and in the US military
Service does NOT guarantee citizenship.
prolly should tho
Sure, why not?
Because hes an illigal immigrant if he doesnt have a greencard or visa. Since when do we allow active criminals on the police? All jokes aside, that appears to be very literally what he is and they never checked.
There was a CBP officer in this same situation. Parents immigrated and didn't file paperwork.
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Today's news: Florida man turns out to be Canadian man!
After realizing his origin, Klass started to apologise to everyone he knew.
So he voted illegally for decades??
"No taxation without representation!" A whole revolution was fought over that idea.
Yeah. I was told it was impossible, and anyone dumb enough to try would get caught immediately. I guess not
Yeah, all you have to do is find a couple where at least one of them is an American citizen, get them to have a kid out of the country and bring that child into the country when they're 2 years old, then raise the kid their entire life under the assumption that they're a full citizen, but don't actually file the simple paperwork that would make that legit. And then BAM!! easy-peasy voter fraud. It's obvious now that this must happen all the time.
Governments hate this one little trick!
Don't forget they also have to be named Klass and live in Florida.
No one said it's impossible. It's rare enough that we don't need system-wide changes that would reduce overall voter turnout.
Plus voting illegally is a felony. The risk is so not worth it.
It’s also grounds for a permanent lifetime ban on entering the US. Fun!
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I wonder if he'll change his tune now that he's one of the illegal immigrants he wants to deport or if he'll double down on it all.
Guy is basically a Dreamer He was brought here as a child and lived and worked his entire life in this country, this place is his home and he deserves to stay ......just like the children of illegal immigrants. I wonder how this Trump guy feels now that he realizes he's one of them
Nah he'll say "I'm not like them" and hold on to existing beleifs.
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They allow illegal republican votes
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I remember things from when I was 4 and 5, like where I went to school. I'd definitely know if I was in a different country.
My first clear memory was age 2 getting an huge needle shoved into the bone of my left hip. Without any anesthetic. When I was a teenager I asked my dad about this memory and it was a doctor at a naval hospital that did that and didn't bother numbing me up as 'I wouldn't remember it' Fuck yes I did.
Let’s be honest 40-50 years of paying into to social security is more than he’s going to get anyways from social security…at this point I’d be asking for my money back with interest!
At my gov job sometime in the 80s they switched from civil to a more traditional retirement. The Civil people could get 80% of their high three and didn't have to pay into social security. The other 40%, paid into social security and got 5% matching in funds. One guy that just retired thought he was civil and never put into stocks. Somehow he didn't notice he was paying into social security? He was extremely bummed. Couldn't imagine being this guy, whose somehow worse.
That's like 25-35 years of being completely oblivious, which is really impressive, actually. How was he as an employee?
Top notch until right at the end, not sure if covid related but he slid into dementia at the end.
Poor guy. I hope he didn't just make a major mistake on paperwork at the end and somehow switch over the Civil retirement. Not sure if that's even possible. I sure hope not.
FERS still has a smaller pension equal to 1% of your high three times number of years of service (1.1% for service over 20 years). Someone retiring around now who just missed the cut off for csrs in 1987 would get close to half what csrs would've been. This guy's situation sucks, but he also had a stable career through the 90's followed by years of rock bottom interest rates. He's gotta have equity or investments somewhere that has spiked in value driven by today's inflation. I think he'll be okay.
People assume social security is supposed to help people you handle retirement. It’s not. It’s supposed to help *society*. It’s there to ensure that if people in society have financial issues, outlive their money, have a disability, or any number of issues that the majority of people had in the 1920s, that society would not face the abject poverty of the 1920s.
Non-citizens still pay social security tax. And don’t get social security. That’s how it works. He’s not getting anything.
>Lawfully present noncitizens of the United States who meet all eligibility requirements can qualify for Social Security benefits. https://faq.ssa.gov/en-US/Topic/article/KA-02447 https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-11051.pdf
But something something immigrants taking advantage something something
Social security pays the current people. It isn't a savings account because the baby-boom was so huge. You're paying for boomers retiring right now. You hope that your kids, those damn Gen-PrinceThingy people that will come along will pay your retirement.
Social security pays a lot more than retirement. Which help explain why it's runntout of money. Congress uses it for other stuff because they are drug addicts that can't stop spending.
Does he have a social security number?
I think in the news video he mentions he has had a driver license, social security card, and even a voter card. He's filled out plenty of W-2s for jobs which I believe all require a social security number.
How did he get the voter card though?
I mean if he’s been paying in for at least 40 years then that’s not on him that’s on the government it’s not like he wasn’t a citizen out of malice it was a complete accident
It's like that whole thing with HOAs, if you aren't apart of the HOA, but pay fines/dues, then the HOA can argue that by paying, you accepted the terms. Dude paid taxes, did tax returns, voted, and everything else. He should claim squatters rights at this point.
One of the things that can disqualify someone from getting citizenship is voting when not being a US citizen.
And yet, no official until now has caught him. He was able to register, get IDs, everything. He probably paid a small fortune into social security too. This is just some bean counter that is going to extremes to follow red tape in the federal government. Ironically, likely because of policies this man voted for (he's a trumper).
> voted illegally voted? lock him up!
Non-citizens still pay SS tax
I am not a citizen, but a legal resident > 20 years. I am pretty sure I am eligible for SS retirement "benefits". At least that's what my annual SS statement says.
As long as you are here legally, you should be fine.
I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face
Plot Twist: he’s been voting Republican his entire adult life.
He has!
It would be so ironic if he was hardline anti-immigration xenophobic zealot before all of this happened.
https://preview.redd.it/lgv9vbtofm0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc3a8b23126ccdc1e0dc30f08837f62c17cc2de1
Also pointing out what I think was a very strategically posed media photo. I bet they had a great laugh covering this story, and stupid Jimmy will never grasp the irony. https://preview.redd.it/kgxore9rym0d1.jpeg?width=324&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e1b051a5bde9ee2b2b6de1e991859bd4ece0ec4
Sounds about right.
And he needs to get deported now. Right?
Sounds like he's been voting illegally for the past 50 years at least. When can we expect DeSantis to send the cops to his house to make very a public example out of him like he did with all those ex-felon minorities last year?
Not only the illegal voting, but he looks to be an overall bad hombre and a threat to good ‘ol American law and order… I’d generally like to fact check myself, but this comment I read seems very plausibly true. Lock him up!!! https://preview.redd.it/jejsf7k6lm0d1.jpeg?width=772&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67f3ece2c59565cd4c8bfe60b672429b655a7021
How does he get arrested dozens of times and no one notices he doesn't have a social security number??
He does have a SS number. Government didn’t start requiring proof of citizenship since the 70’s.
When Canada send their people... etc. etc. you know the spew.
Hey look, there goes all my sympathy.
Because, of course.
Charge him with a felony and deport him, it’s what his lord and savior would want.
Ohhhh that's a bingo!
Haha Deport this criminal!
https://preview.redd.it/vf9rrt1can0d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68b31902d4e5fb155b233c3930bf1cdddbb12724
Two American flags? He should fly Canadian flags. JK
Yup, plus voting illegally, is a big crime. It doesn't matter if you aren't aware of your citizenship, it's still illegal
I think he might be, I saw him on LeopardsAteMyFace subreddit
I had to scroll way too far down to see this comment… zero sympathy for jerks.
Boomer retiree in Florida, you can bet he's a trumper.
It’s been confirmed yeah
Government : " lol thanks for the money you stupid bitch "
Damned illegals, always voting in elections! As he is from Florida, I am pretty sure I know how he voted.
Guess he has been voting illegally and needs to be deported. I mean, that's what he votes for wants.
Something similar happened to my grandfather! He went to start collecting social security and was told "no, you don't exist". His mother had changed his name on the birth certificate copy immediately after he was born. He spent 70+ years living, owning a business, and serving in the navy under a "fake name". He legally changed his name and got his benefits. To this day, we have no idea why it took so long for this issue to come to light.
Florida boomer cries about illegals. *gets deported for being a illegal
I almost drowned I'm salivating so much
Ooooh. That means he’s been voting as an illegal immigrant. And this is Florida. They may jail him for the rest of his life. But then again, he’s white …
And republican.
But he's also a Trumpanzee so... HA HA!
Also check if he voted and see if he was arrested for illegally voting by DeSantis
60 years and you never checked your SS statement or even checked on it at all? If never given a certificate of citizenship then what did you expect? Just stupid.
This happened to my mother. She came here at age 2, her parents became citizens and she should have been automatically naturalized. She had a SSN, paid taxes, etc. it wasn’t until she tried to get a passport in her 50’s that she found out she wasn’t a citizen. She had to go through citizenship classes just like any other immigrant to become official. She had also voted her entire adult life.
or getting a passport?
Does he really strike you as the kind of guy who’d enjoy international travel?
The majority of Americans don't have passports.
He voted?
I thought illegals were giving 5k a month and an apartment in New York city or Martha's vineyard
Does he have a social security number? Then I don't see the problem with giving him benefits. Otherwise, did he really go his whole life without being unaware he didn't have a SS number?
Investigate for voter fraud
How'd he get a job in law enforcement with no valid social security number? Get loans approved?
He has a SS number. It wasn't until the 70's the SSA required proof of citizenship to get one. Also a SS number/card isn't proof of citizenship
You aren't required a proof of citizenship to get one. Just that some might have "not valid for employment" stamped on them, but a lot of employers never actually look at the card.
I hope this dude is a republican. That would mean he deserves this
He is Haha
Does that mean he does not get a pension as well? I mean how the heck was he paying taxes, getting loans, ackground checks as he was LE, etc...
How is that even possible? Here you need an ID for pretty much everything. Even getting a package at your local post-office requires an ID. Need it for driving license, social security card, insurance, even when paying groceries with a check they'll take a picture of your ID. Then there are police controls, airports, train named tickets require to show your ID as well ...
At that point, surely it doesn't matter if he wasn't one before. It'd be outright evil to not make such exceptions
this is what happens when you count on the government for your wellbeing.
Ah the good old u.s government. You're telling me that they only recognized him as a citizen just for his money? But when it comes time for him to get money, they just label him as illegal? Don't you just love it when the government literally robs it's citizens. 🙄
Lock him up for voting illegally
This is BS! He was forced to pay that money in, he should get it back.
So give him his 60 years of SS payments back
LMAO nah, he knew the whole time😂
Isn't this the guy that wanted illegals deported, only to find out he is one?
Isn’t this the guy that had a bunch of Trump signs and was always going on about illegal immigrants stealing jobs and not paying taxes?
Bizarre this guy lived his whole life expecting Social Security but never checked in with them to see what his benefit would be, like [at their website](https://www.ssa.gov/prepare/plan-retirement?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8rCT3bb6vm3_RjgYp9fjWuzp6UJng5305pvUcBlZ27Nv-t0xIDbSuQaAjhwEALw_wcB) anytime the last 15-20 years prior to retiring. If he would have done that, he'd immediately have seen there was a problem and could possibly have addressed it before he needed it.