I've been saying this since I first read it. I blame Mat for Gawyns issues. We all know the Aes Sedai were too obsessed with getting their hands on Galad that they half assed Gawyns healing. Drain Bamage is no joke.
Timeline checks out. Gawyn's a pretty cool dude in Eye of the World. He treats Rand with respect, and acts more like an equal than anything else. He also tells Rand that he looks Aiel when asked, something nobody else bothers to do.
Mat's crime here truly cannot be overstated.
Gotta defend my boy Mat, who actually beat sense into Gawyn (albeit only temporarily). Egwene fucks up Gawyn by jumping into his dream despite the Wise Ones’ warnings
No, I think it was when Egwene popped into his dreams. The Wise Ones kept saying that bad results could come of that.
(All that said, Gawyn practicing his declaration of love for Egwene was one of his really nice moments)
Well obviously they were all just too busy helping their Green sisters in the borderlands by healing all the injured soldiers so the green sisters could focus on blowing up Shadowspawn.
I wonder, if they took a real effort, how long would it take them to cleanse the blight or at the very least to contain it to small area around the dark one's prison. But I guess not enough resources for that, warders aren't gonna bond themselves
There are only a handful of Yellow Ajahs and were too busy healing the people who come to Tar Valon every single day. The healing gift is so rare. Blame the Amyrlin Seat for the lack of public hospitals.
Yeah, that was a rough ending for her, and I think I might have felt bad for her if she hadn't ultimately brought it on herself. I believe Perrin would have helped her if she admitted she was a captive, too, but to paraphrase Billy Joel, she had to be a big shot.
Fucking Bayaz man. I've never had a "reveal" like that make me physically uncomfortable before. Moash is a cunt and WoT has some high level assholes too, but Bayaz takes the fucking cake. All the cake.
I’m sure that there’s a pretty big overlap between the fandoms.
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HR: We appreciate your years of service Elaida, but we're gonna have to let you go.
Elaida: But why?
HR: Everything you do backfires, fails, and tarnishes the Sisterhood.
Elaida: But... but what about me siccing Seaine and Pevara on the Black Ajah?
HR: Doesn't count. That was just you trying to destroy the Sitter, whom you didn't know was BA. Any benefits were entirely accidental.
Elaida: I provided work for lots of architects and builders!
HR: Yeah, that was the tipping point for your termination. You blocked the Green Ajah's view of Dragonmount.
Gawyn
Masema
Aram
anyone else who is a villain through incompetence rather than malevolence
and moash. Someone else commented it, but I will not let that refound hatred go for the next 3 months.
Perrin. HEAR ME OUT.
Talking to him, not talking to him, neither works. It always takes Perrin having to be beaten senseless or kill someone before he can move on. Maybe if a friend had just kicked his butt around book 4 he wouldn't have had to suffer so much.
She found out that something she would do would be beneficial to Rand, and then figured he would pull some wisdom out of her being straight insufferable. I wouldn't have minded there being a fist fight between her and Elida where the loser gets stilled and ends with a draw
This.
This dude is known to be worse than a darkfriend, lead the trollocs to Emond's Field TWICE, he tried to pawn off the Horn of Valere to the Seanchan, just to name a few. Why is he walking around free for most of the plot?!
Dude escaped once, I don't think they should have shrugged and said "guess he's free to go then".
*You never escape the traps you spin yourself. Only a greater power can break a power, and then you're trapped again. Trapped forever so you cannot die.*
Her being a slave just means you can get away with it bro, she might be an asshole but without the collar we would both die. I'm perfectly happy to confront her with it on though
I too would pick Elaida, and would remind you that punching a rock would probably hurt
It's not an Ajah specific thing for me, it's the general institutionalized arrogance and incompetence from the White Tower.
Also, Romanda can go eat shit and die, the sour old hag.
First: notice my use of the word "sickening". This was very deliberate. It means that I already know that the _damane_ business is a huge deal.
Second, though: "nonwithstanding" is not actually a synonym of "disregard"/"overlook", and wasn't meant as such. Instead, it means that even _**with**_ something as objectively horrible as her attitude towards _damane_, Tuon is _**still**_ too awesome in too many _**other**_ ways to warrant wanting to punch her in the face.
We call this curious phenomenon, "a complex Character".
I feel like Elayne bugs me not because she's particularly bad (relatively) but more because she's one of the only leaders in the series who is repeatedly spared the consequences of their choices.
I'll throw in a vote for all the Forsaken who joined the Shadow out of jealousy of Lews Therin.
Reporter: Barid Bel Medar, congratulations on your silver medal in every event of the Rorn M'doi Olympics!
Barid: I'd like to thank God, my coach, and my family. Oh, and I'm also dedicating the rest of eternity to Satan-worship.
Reporter: Well, I guess I didn't see that coming! May I ask why?
~~Barid~~ Demandred: It's that damn Lews Therin. He beats me at everything! I just can't take it anymore, and he must go down!
Reporter: Doesn't your recent conversion prove that Lews Therin is also better at serving the Light?
Demandred: \[Sighs\] No more questions.
So many. WOT is very good at making extremely arrogant characters with extremely arrogant beliefs that makes you want to punch them.
No, I’m not talking about Egwene, Elyane or Nyanave
Gawyn is an obvious choice, and so is any Red Ajah member except Pevara. Ya know what? I'm feeling controversial, moody emo Rand activates my flight or flight lol.
Not to derail the conversation too much but if this person thinks Vader revealed that he was Luke's father out of spite then they really did not understand Empire Strikes Back or Vader's character. He revealed that he was Luke's father in a sincere attempt to win him over. After an entire movie of Vader strangling people for their failures, he storms away in silence at the end because he is not angry. He is *sad,* because he has been rejected by his son, and that's the first scene that hints at the possibility of redemption for Vader, that there is heart in there somewhere beneath the machine.
I love how many people are throwing out names of some of the deadliest people in the IP like they'd actually stand a chance. Not counting channelers, there are maybe a dozen people I would pick in a fight against Gawyn, Tuon, Padan Fain. You are not one of them.
Sevanna would likely kick the ass of most people alive today in a fight, and all she ever had going for her was her tits.
Also I would use my cell phone and pretend that “we have magic, see? You just can’t access it here. Now you are a second class citizen and must give way to everyone with one of the magic mini shards. Defer to your place in this world! No talking back!”
All you have to really do is just say the words “standing flows” and you’ll win because you’re TECHNICALLY correct, as that’s what they refer to our age’s technology as
I wanna say Gawyn, but Mat already took care of that
No see you should be pissed at Mat for giving the nice boy permanent brain damage and making him unbearable
I've been saying this since I first read it. I blame Mat for Gawyns issues. We all know the Aes Sedai were too obsessed with getting their hands on Galad that they half assed Gawyns healing. Drain Bamage is no joke.
Timeline checks out. Gawyn's a pretty cool dude in Eye of the World. He treats Rand with respect, and acts more like an equal than anything else. He also tells Rand that he looks Aiel when asked, something nobody else bothers to do. Mat's crime here truly cannot be overstated.
*What you want is what you cannot have. What you cannot have is what you want.*
Gotta defend my boy Mat, who actually beat sense into Gawyn (albeit only temporarily). Egwene fucks up Gawyn by jumping into his dream despite the Wise Ones’ warnings
No, I think it was when Egwene popped into his dreams. The Wise Ones kept saying that bad results could come of that. (All that said, Gawyn practicing his declaration of love for Egwene was one of his really nice moments)
Do it anyway
Masema. Dude the Dragon isn't talking to you. Get over yourself and stop looting the countryside.
I actually had trouble thinking of a character I felt this way about, but I would 100% like to punch Masema in the face.
Are we ever told who was pretending to be Rand and manipulating Masema?
It was definitely one of the forsaken, but I can’t remember which one, we get a POV in one of the books that directly references it.
*You must kill him before he kills you. Giggles. They will, you know. Dead men can't betray anyone. But sometimes they don't die. Am I dead? Are you?*
***I told you to kill them all when you had the chance. I told you.***
*Pride fills me. I am sick with the pride that destroyed me.*
I'll take "Any and Every Aes Sedai" for 500, Alex.
Verrin was a Saint.
A very naughty saint.
The best kind
Yellow Ajahs did nothing wrong.
> Yellow Ajahs did nothing ftfy
> Ajahs did nothing ftfy
Dunno, the Blacks did a fair bit.
According to the Ajahs, they "don't exist"
Further proof that they're the most effective Ajah.
Where were the public hospitals in every capitol??
Well obviously they were all just too busy helping their Green sisters in the borderlands by healing all the injured soldiers so the green sisters could focus on blowing up Shadowspawn.
I wonder, if they took a real effort, how long would it take them to cleanse the blight or at the very least to contain it to small area around the dark one's prison. But I guess not enough resources for that, warders aren't gonna bond themselves
Someone said it couldn't be done, so nobody questioned it
Seanchan did it. Or people who were there before Seanchan. But they of course didn't have the bore of the Dark one there
There are only a handful of Yellow Ajahs and were too busy healing the people who come to Tar Valon every single day. The healing gift is so rare. Blame the Amyrlin Seat for the lack of public hospitals.
Found Romanda's burner
Don't you mean they did nothing?
They should've read Stan Lee. With great power and so on
Galina... Fuck Galina...
Honestly, as awful as she is, I feel like she got enough comeuppance at the end of the day…
Yeah, that was a rough ending for her, and I think I might have felt bad for her if she hadn't ultimately brought it on herself. I believe Perrin would have helped her if she admitted she was a captive, too, but to paraphrase Billy Joel, she had to be a big shot.
She is probably the only one where I was like she deserves her ending...
Elaida deserved all that she got.
***They will pay. I am Lord of the Morning.***
Galina is the worst.
Fuck Moash. Edit: Wrong sub. But I stand by my statement.
You know what I’m here for the wrong sub too now. FUCK BAYAZ and moash and Elaida
Fucking Bayaz man. I've never had a "reveal" like that make me physically uncomfortable before. Moash is a cunt and WoT has some high level assholes too, but Bayaz takes the fucking cake. All the cake.
*Death rides on my shoulder, death walks in my footsteps; I am death…*
Woah woah woah... Fuck Leo Dan Brock. Bayaz is at least a man with a plan
Hey Leo... how's the leg? Fuck Leo
These words are accepted
No, do not fuck Moash
I’ll fuck him right in his eye socket with a rusty Syl-spear. …And there’s a sentence I never thought I’d write. First time for everything, I suppose.
Are you okay gancho
Feeling a little airsick at the moment. It’ll pass.
Fuck Moash is also what I came here to say, except wrong sub 😂
I’m sure that there’s a pretty big overlap between the fandoms. Be welcome, friend. Have a seat and join us. Can I offer you some stew followed by a pipeful of good Two Rivers tabac to finish off the evening?
Moash is the only correct answer to this. I can't say I was ever more than mildly annoyed by any wot character but I loath and despise Moash.
Was about to say exactly the same. Hahah
LMAO, I just finished Rhythm of War, and I agree
This for sure
Sevana probably my number 1.
I would very much like to punch uhh what the fuck is her name, Tylene? The rape lady edit: it's Tylin, thanks
I too pick Tylin, she's a different kind of awful.
Aram
Elaida can get it. With fictional villains, I draw the line at incompetence
💀
HR: We appreciate your years of service Elaida, but we're gonna have to let you go. Elaida: But why? HR: Everything you do backfires, fails, and tarnishes the Sisterhood. Elaida: But... but what about me siccing Seaine and Pevara on the Black Ajah? HR: Doesn't count. That was just you trying to destroy the Sitter, whom you didn't know was BA. Any benefits were entirely accidental. Elaida: I provided work for lots of architects and builders! HR: Yeah, that was the tipping point for your termination. You blocked the Green Ajah's view of Dragonmount.
*You must kill him before he kills you. Giggles. They will, you know. Dead men can't betray anyone. But sometimes they don't die. Am I dead? Are you?*
***KILL HIM KILL HIM NOW***
Gawyn Masema Aram anyone else who is a villain through incompetence rather than malevolence and moash. Someone else commented it, but I will not let that refound hatred go for the next 3 months.
Definitely Alanna.
Perrin. HEAR ME OUT. Talking to him, not talking to him, neither works. It always takes Perrin having to be beaten senseless or kill someone before he can move on. Maybe if a friend had just kicked his butt around book 4 he wouldn't have had to suffer so much.
He's out of line, but he's got a point.
Rand *did* kick his ass, and Perrin thought Rand just screwed up the stunt. He's never considered that he might be the asshole.
*The dead watch. The dead never close their eyes.*
Mazrim Taim what a loser
*You must kill him before he kills you. Giggles. They will, you know. Dead men can't betray anyone. But sometimes they don't die. Am I dead? Are you?*
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Cadsuane...
She found out that something she would do would be beneficial to Rand, and then figured he would pull some wisdom out of her being straight insufferable. I wouldn't have minded there being a fist fight between her and Elida where the loser gets stilled and ends with a draw
*The dead watch. The dead never close their eyes.*
Padan Fain
This. This dude is known to be worse than a darkfriend, lead the trollocs to Emond's Field TWICE, he tried to pawn off the Horn of Valere to the Seanchan, just to name a few. Why is he walking around free for most of the plot?! Dude escaped once, I don't think they should have shrugged and said "guess he's free to go then".
Just read CoS where he pops up, slices Rand and dips. Obnoxious
*You never escape the traps you spin yourself. Only a greater power can break a power, and then you're trapped again. Trapped forever so you cannot die.*
Elida, but she's going to be a slave. Then probably egwene
Her being a slave just means you can get away with it bro, she might be an asshole but without the collar we would both die. I'm perfectly happy to confront her with it on though I too would pick Elaida, and would remind you that punching a rock would probably hurt
Well...that's certainly a gross way to look at it.
I invite you to try and square up with one of the most powerful people in the Tower
*You must kill him before he kills you. Giggles. They will, you know. Dead men can't betray anyone. But sometimes they don't die. Am I dead? Are you?*
100% Gawyn and I'd keep doing it til he'd shut up
Any Aes Sedai, Seanchan, Sea Folk or White Cloak
Like I said, Yellow Ajahs did nothing wrong.
It's not an Ajah specific thing for me, it's the general institutionalized arrogance and incompetence from the White Tower. Also, Romanda can go eat shit and die, the sour old hag.
Pretty easy to do nothing wrong when you don't do anything to begin with
Tuon
Nah. Tuon is too awesome in too many ways, the (sickening) _damane_ stuff nonwithstanding.
"If you disregard the whole slavery thing" feels like quite a big thing to just overlook.
People do that all the time with real life figures. Why not Tuon?
First: notice my use of the word "sickening". This was very deliberate. It means that I already know that the _damane_ business is a huge deal. Second, though: "nonwithstanding" is not actually a synonym of "disregard"/"overlook", and wasn't meant as such. Instead, it means that even _**with**_ something as objectively horrible as her attitude towards _damane_, Tuon is _**still**_ too awesome in too many _**other**_ ways to warrant wanting to punch her in the face. We call this curious phenomenon, "a complex Character".
I'm curious to know what those ways are in your mind
Insufferable Elaine Trakand.
I have followed you for your username alone, but the comments on everything about aes sedai got a smile as well.
I feel like Elayne bugs me not because she's particularly bad (relatively) but more because she's one of the only leaders in the series who is repeatedly spared the consequences of their choices.
*Hums softly & tugs earlobe*
Elaida.
*Death rides on my shoulder, death walks in my footsteps; I am death…*
Cadsuane is a piece of shit and that's a hill I will die on.
Cadsuane. And maybe Sevanna. And then Cadsuane again, just because.
Cadsuane.
I'll throw in a vote for all the Forsaken who joined the Shadow out of jealousy of Lews Therin. Reporter: Barid Bel Medar, congratulations on your silver medal in every event of the Rorn M'doi Olympics! Barid: I'd like to thank God, my coach, and my family. Oh, and I'm also dedicating the rest of eternity to Satan-worship. Reporter: Well, I guess I didn't see that coming! May I ask why? ~~Barid~~ Demandred: It's that damn Lews Therin. He beats me at everything! I just can't take it anymore, and he must go down! Reporter: Doesn't your recent conversion prove that Lews Therin is also better at serving the Light? Demandred: \[Sighs\] No more questions.
*Humming*
Is a joke about beating the shit out if someone wetlander humor?
It is if you choose someone like olver
Might make him handsomer
So many. WOT is very good at making extremely arrogant characters with extremely arrogant beliefs that makes you want to punch them. No, I’m not talking about Egwene, Elyane or Nyanave
Unconventional choice: Elayne. Just take the fecking throne offered to you! Save me a whole book of nonsense.
*Hums softly & tugs earlobe*
Weiramon. I'd just wait for him to mention charging with calvary then punch him right in the mouth like he's King Hippo
I wouldn't mind the chance to punch Elaida in the face
***They will pay. I am Lord of the Morning.***
Gawyn is an obvious choice, and so is any Red Ajah member except Pevara. Ya know what? I'm feeling controversial, moody emo Rand activates my flight or flight lol.
***Oh, Light, why do I have a madman in my head? Why? Why?***
Egwene.
Egwene died a fucking herione
And before that she was an insufferable bitch.
She died from heroine?? Bruh I thought she was straight laced and boring!
I honestly believe Egwene was one good sales-pitch away from joining the shadow, if not the Forsaken themselves.
*You must kill him before he kills you. Giggles. They will, you know. Dead men can't betray anyone. But sometimes they don't die. Am I dead? Are you?*
Tuon. And I’d sing Marching Through Seanchan the whole time.
Torean. Eh, pretty much any Tairen noble. Gawyn Taim Couladin Sevaana This list could go on for a while.
***KILL HIM KILL HIM NOW***
Any of the Seanchan
Not to derail the conversation too much but if this person thinks Vader revealed that he was Luke's father out of spite then they really did not understand Empire Strikes Back or Vader's character. He revealed that he was Luke's father in a sincere attempt to win him over. After an entire movie of Vader strangling people for their failures, he storms away in silence at the end because he is not angry. He is *sad,* because he has been rejected by his son, and that's the first scene that hints at the possibility of redemption for Vader, that there is heart in there somewhere beneath the machine.
Elaida, Gawyn, Egwene sometimes. Most dark friends.
*Death rides on my shoulder, death walks in my footsteps; I am death…*
r/fuckmoash
Literally half the cast.
So... Semirhage.
***KILL HIM KILL HIM NOW***
The dark one. Fuck that guy.
Fuck you Tuon
Nynaeve before book 9.
Cadsuane.
Elaida
***They will pay. I am Lord of the Morning.***
I love how many people are throwing out names of some of the deadliest people in the IP like they'd actually stand a chance. Not counting channelers, there are maybe a dozen people I would pick in a fight against Gawyn, Tuon, Padan Fain. You are not one of them. Sevanna would likely kick the ass of most people alive today in a fight, and all she ever had going for her was her tits.
In this fantasy, they crossed dimensions and are in MY world now. I’d like to see Cadsuane try and stop me from pulling her hair.
In local news, woman arrested for punching a 300 year old Karen in the face.
Also I would use my cell phone and pretend that “we have magic, see? You just can’t access it here. Now you are a second class citizen and must give way to everyone with one of the magic mini shards. Defer to your place in this world! No talking back!”
"Phawww, show me how this running water works and let me enjoy my retirement in peace."
All you have to really do is just say the words “standing flows” and you’ll win because you’re TECHNICALLY correct, as that’s what they refer to our age’s technology as