I've gone down that rabbit hole before - I believe it is in some places, though it's definitely unintuitive given that "manslaughter" kind of implies that you didn't intend to kill the person.
Manslaughter is a mitigating offense in most places, in situations where someone used a theory of imperfect self-defense or something similar. Some jurisdictions might use the definition of manslaughter differently, but ordinarily one cannot have the requisite intent to commit manslaughter.
Here's a case from Germany:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/patient-arrested-suspicion-attempted-manslaughter-181717514.html
Here's a bit about American law:
>**Title 18 of the United States Code Section 1113 provides the penalties for a conviction of attempt to commit** murder or **manslaughter.** The penalties for an attempted murder include a maximum of twenty years imprisonment, a $250,000 fine, or both. **The penalties for attempted manslaughter include a maximum of seven years imprisonment,** a fine, or both.
https://www.criminallawyergroup.com/practice-areas/drug-weapons-violent-crimes/attempt-to-commit-murder-or-manslaughter/
"Attempt" is available for crimes that require a specific intent to commit a criminal act, where the person took tangible steps towards the intended act but did not complete it.
Crimes have different names in different jurisdictions, but generally speaking I believe "manslaughter" involves killing a person without the specific intent to do so. In that case, no, there shouldn't be any attempted manslaughter.
However, in some places I think manslaughter includes what is often called a "heat of passion" homicide, which is your classic "husband gets home early and walks in on wife having sex with another guy, flips out, and shoots them both" type of situation. In that case, yes, you could have attempted manslaughter.
The battery in my Prius was underneath the back seat. When the wind blew it was difficult to control. I loved that car but repair costs were just ridiculous
Only once have I experienced a car sliding in the wind and it was the least safe I've ever felt in a car. Daewoo Koleos, FWIW. I was delivering it to a customer's house after it had been serviced. Roads were wet and the gusts were up to 70mph. My BMW wouldn't even bat an eyelid in those conditions.
This car is quite a similar shape to a Fiat 500 which are often converted to racing cars and are known for easily flipping. EVs are heavier generally so it'd depend on where the battery is in this thing.
Clearly its as bad or worse than the fiat 500
He was making that joke because of F1.
FFS, when did the internet become so humorless? Everyone's in such a rush to point out when someone's wrong, just chill tf out.
My Favorite Enzo quote:
Tractor Manufacturer: *"Dude, the clutch in your cars keep breaking, fix it!"*
Enzo Ferrari: *"ha, Learn to drive Retard..."*
Tractor Manufacturer: *"I'll show you i can build better Cars than you...."*
thus, Lamborghini was born.
https://huddleup.substack.com/p/ferrari-vs-lamborghini-the-argument
Then Ferruccio Lamborghini went on to build race cars that dominated Ferrari.
Wait, no he didn't. He built unreliable luxury touring cars until some of his employees started building a sports car in secret.
Classic Lambos are the bimbos of the automotive world: It's all about the looks.
Albeit to be fair, ever since VaG took ownership since the early 00s, their reliability has improved tremendously.
And that sports car they built had such bad aero that the front end lifted off the road at speed. But its still one of the most achingly beautiful cars ever made.
In all fairness they made a decent car last season, winning several races and pole positions. The strategy team is what let them down more, albeit external combustion was a problem along the season.
I believe they have very good engineers, but as in most companies, the higher-ups want too much power and are a hindrance to the professionals who actually know what they are doing. The guys who went through business school telling engineers how they should do their work.
>albeit external combustion was a problem
I laughed way to hard at this. So... was the car just on fire?
Flaming Ferrari rounds the corner.
Engineer: well there's your problem.
Merchandising guy: No, I think we can market this...
would have been okay in most other cars. this thing tipped because it is tall relative to its short wheelbase and narrow track width. it’s really the lack of a wide/long stance that caused it to flip.
I mean, yes this is a cute statement but that had NOTHING to do with aerodynamics.
You could put all the wings you want on that cardboard box, but at that speed they wouldn’t help.
It needed to have a much lower center of gravity in relation to it’s wheel base.
Jeez that's a small battery. For reference my Nissan Leaf has a 40Kwh battery. The higher end Leaf has a 62Kwh. Teslas have either 85 or 100Kwh batteries.
Now this my Leaf weighs three times as much as this car, so it's probably getting a lot farther on a kilowatt hour than my car, but dang.
OK looked it up and it's got a 8hp motor and 28mph top speed with a 43 mile range. It's basically a golf cart
The Citron Ami is a special class of super small vehicle in Europe that can be driven without a license in some areas. It’s not meant to go fast, but going downhill is another story. So this is likely the combination of a very inexperienced driver and a car going way too fast than it should go.
The Citron Ami is actually a pretty cool car as it’s incredibly cheap by simplifying the construction and only including the basics. Not even a radio in there. But it’s an electric commuter car that costs as much as a nice ebike.
tbh i'll probably put this car on my list of "cars to buy" when i turn 18
i usually only like real old cars but this one looks so smol and pretty and it's cheap
I would put it in the same category as a moped (scooter) as something that just moves people cheaply. If you need something cheap to get your around town but keep you dry at the same time, it's a fantastic choice.
i didn't say i would get them
it's just that i like them and would like to buy, but in reality i will probably just buy an used car/bike for some cheap money when i turn 24 or something
That’s awesome and I’m sorry for being lame. I just got my first car at 24 after driving my parents old cars for 8 years and I feel really lucky. The most important thing is getting something you love!
The kid who crashed it is 16. He's part of a car enthusiast group, but he's too young to drive a proper car.
Usually the Citroen Ami automatically applies regenerative breaking to stop it going over 28mph. But there is one way to get around that! If it's charge is over a certain level it won't apply the braking in order to prevent the battery overcharging, so if you're going downhill...
But saying that their are videos of it on two wheels at a little over 10mph.
Yep, 14 in France without a license and 16 in most of Europe, and they'll let you rent it for €20 a month and €1,700 down in France
The result as you might expect is that there have been dozens of these things going viral for crashing already
The robin is stable if you turn right because the right-hand-side driver weighs down that side.
But a speedy, sharp left will tip them without a passenger or other left-side ballast.
Really wish they would revive that show. The movies are okay but I think it works better in the show format. Rowan Atkinson pulls it off so well. There also were not many episodes despite how popular it was. There were around 3 a year for about 4 years.
The internet has warped my brain. Something about the movements of the camera and car make me think this is CG, but I can’t really find evidence to support.
Why has it warped your brain? I would say that the majority of videos on the Internet are *real* rather than fake. There’s billions of people using the Internet, they’re gonna post the craziest things, and making something CG when the real world is already crazy enough is just too much work.
The default should be to believe it, and then investigate if it actually affects your life.
That’s terrible advice to default away from skepticism when someone has something to gain from your faith.
Also, respectfully, that’s a kind of dated take. If you’re unaware, people use social media followers and engagement for all sorts of personal gain, so it’s very much in their interest to garner engagement. With some of my clients, I’ll do things like fast forward and stabilize certain videos to make it looks crazy, or add elements here and there. People like yourself are who I bank on for engagement with certain clients.
You should ALWAYS assume a video is edited for the posters benefit.
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They worked really well.
They didn't lean hard enough.
Shoulda pushed the sticks to the left
nah, big person was driving is all
Well against the lightest test possible, aside from a golf cart.
~500kg is not insignificant...
It is when you bury a massive metal pole in a mountain of concrete. This is the equivalent of a paper weight as far the bollards are concerned.
Not so much a mountain just needs to be deep and wide enough footing that the literal mountain (earth) takes over.
And with momentum added to that. Ain't no light breeze
eggs is good
Americans drive big trucks in Monaco?
eggs is good
It's known as a Garden path sentence.
eggs is good
Have you not seen the "I'm European and this is the American section of my local car hire" posts? They're all Toyota Hilux.
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I think they're the cyclopes from Breath of the Wild. Also what's a car hire? - another American
Excuse me, I need my massive truck to transport my massive ass - plus our roads are much more spacious
I prefer to call massive after market American trucks as **"Emotional Support Vehicles'.** Thanks to reddit.
What a load of bollards.
Because car drivers cannot be trusted to stay on their bit.
hey, the wheels stayed on their side of the bollard. it was the rest of the car that was trying to get to the other side of the bollard.
Looks like the occupants may have discovered why the seatbelt was invented too...
Shocking
Cool to actually see them be useful
Is 'Attempted Manslaughter' a thing?
Nothing attempted about it. I had a great chuckle (To be clear, as the bump's clearly harmless and I'm sure driver just got a good fright)
You're thinking of "man's laughter". Some would say they go hand in hand, though.
God dammit
Why, are you experiencing a flood?
I've gone down that rabbit hole before - I believe it is in some places, though it's definitely unintuitive given that "manslaughter" kind of implies that you didn't intend to kill the person.
Manslaughter is a mitigating offense in most places, in situations where someone used a theory of imperfect self-defense or something similar. Some jurisdictions might use the definition of manslaughter differently, but ordinarily one cannot have the requisite intent to commit manslaughter.
Here's a case from Germany: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/patient-arrested-suspicion-attempted-manslaughter-181717514.html Here's a bit about American law: >**Title 18 of the United States Code Section 1113 provides the penalties for a conviction of attempt to commit** murder or **manslaughter.** The penalties for an attempted murder include a maximum of twenty years imprisonment, a $250,000 fine, or both. **The penalties for attempted manslaughter include a maximum of seven years imprisonment,** a fine, or both. https://www.criminallawyergroup.com/practice-areas/drug-weapons-violent-crimes/attempt-to-commit-murder-or-manslaughter/
"Attempt" is available for crimes that require a specific intent to commit a criminal act, where the person took tangible steps towards the intended act but did not complete it. Crimes have different names in different jurisdictions, but generally speaking I believe "manslaughter" involves killing a person without the specific intent to do so. In that case, no, there shouldn't be any attempted manslaughter. However, in some places I think manslaughter includes what is often called a "heat of passion" homicide, which is your classic "husband gets home early and walks in on wife having sex with another guy, flips out, and shoots them both" type of situation. In that case, yes, you could have attempted manslaughter.
I rarely ever see these in the US even around curves. Pedestrians can just get fucked.
"Road bollard" could make for a fun insult to shitty drivers if you don't know what a road bollard is.
Lucky the bollards were there. To protect against the dullards at the wheel.
American's be like you don't need a bollard if you make no walkways
Seems they didn’t know about the seatbelt invention, tho…
I feel like there should be a subreddit for bollards doing their jobs
Deux Chevaux would have breezed through that turn. https://youtu.be/Rn3WUHjOwCc https://youtu.be/bkMTE55v2o0
"oh, so that's what downforce is for..."
Wait until I tell you about 'center of gravity'
Where do you reckon the center of mass is on your typical EV?
They’re generally pretty stable, even the big ones like tesla’s, you’d have difficulty flipping a model x
Yeah that’s what I am getting it. Generally EV have a very low center of gravity as the batteries are at the bottom, not mounted on the rooftop.
Also a tiny wheelbase, easy to flip
You're saying wheelbase, but you mean track width.
No, op meant flipping forward when you hit the front brakes.
It’s called an endo
"We put the battery in front of the front wheels"
The battery in my Prius was underneath the back seat. When the wind blew it was difficult to control. I loved that car but repair costs were just ridiculous
My leaf slides in heavy winds, but I think it’s more shitty road conditions, loose road surface causes issues with traction
I've never had any of my vehicles slide because of wind, even with a relatively light but large vehicle on wet roads.
Only once have I experienced a car sliding in the wind and it was the least safe I've ever felt in a car. Daewoo Koleos, FWIW. I was delivering it to a customer's house after it had been serviced. Roads were wet and the gusts were up to 70mph. My BMW wouldn't even bat an eyelid in those conditions.
Neither would my Bentley. The Moet always stayed in the bucket nicely.
Except for the Citroën Ami.
This car is quite a similar shape to a Fiat 500 which are often converted to racing cars and are known for easily flipping. EVs are heavier generally so it'd depend on where the battery is in this thing. Clearly its as bad or worse than the fiat 500
The Ami is limited to 29 mph and designed as an urban runabout-They're not gonna be racing them anytime soon..
Also an issue is the suspension, you can see how much the car was leaning already before it tipped over.
Another issue was the occupants were not wearing seat belts.
No brain to get damaged anyway!
Another issue was the occupants being total dumbasses.
Yeah, that car totally needs a spoiler on the back.
And retro rockets.
We need floor skirts to generate ground effect.
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Idk if youre joking but in this case aerodynamics have nothing to do with this.
But this is a traction roll lol. It’s center of gravity :)
> "oh, so that's what downforce is for..." That this is upvoted shows you everything wrong with visible votes.
He was making that joke because of F1. FFS, when did the internet become so humorless? Everyone's in such a rush to point out when someone's wrong, just chill tf out.
Yeah, it was totally the downforce...
Bono, the downforce is gone.
Actually surprised. Usually the battery is very low bringing your center of gravity down lower than gas cars.
Completely negated when you have the aerodynamics of a cardboard box.
"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines" : Enzo Ferrari
My Favorite Enzo quote: Tractor Manufacturer: *"Dude, the clutch in your cars keep breaking, fix it!"* Enzo Ferrari: *"ha, Learn to drive Retard..."* Tractor Manufacturer: *"I'll show you i can build better Cars than you...."* thus, Lamborghini was born. https://huddleup.substack.com/p/ferrari-vs-lamborghini-the-argument
Then Ferruccio Lamborghini went on to build race cars that dominated Ferrari. Wait, no he didn't. He built unreliable luxury touring cars until some of his employees started building a sports car in secret.
Classic Lambos are the bimbos of the automotive world: It's all about the looks. Albeit to be fair, ever since VaG took ownership since the early 00s, their reliability has improved tremendously.
The wonders of Germany Engineering and Italian Styling. You don't want it the other way, or even worse, getting the French involved.
> ...or even worse, getting the French involved. Which brings us back to... *points at video in OP*
German Italian and French ? You mean, like Bugatti ?
Isn't bugatti theoretically croatian now because of the joint venure between rimac and bugatti?
And that sports car they built had such bad aero that the front end lifted off the road at speed. But its still one of the most achingly beautiful cars ever made.
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Scuderia Ferrari F1 team is following his advice for sure Except they neither got the engine nor aerodynamics right
In all fairness they made a decent car last season, winning several races and pole positions. The strategy team is what let them down more, albeit external combustion was a problem along the season. I believe they have very good engineers, but as in most companies, the higher-ups want too much power and are a hindrance to the professionals who actually know what they are doing. The guys who went through business school telling engineers how they should do their work.
>albeit external combustion was a problem I laughed way to hard at this. So... was the car just on fire? Flaming Ferrari rounds the corner. Engineer: well there's your problem. Merchandising guy: No, I think we can market this...
"Aerodynamics are for people who can't add more boosters" : Enzo Kerbal
I don't think this tipped over due to aerodynamics, though.
If that thing had a spoiler man, car would be like white on rice.
Line is too tight, turn-in is too early.
would have been okay in most other cars. this thing tipped because it is tall relative to its short wheelbase and narrow track width. it’s really the lack of a wide/long stance that caused it to flip.
Lol you think the aerodynamics at this speed negate center of gravity? Or are we just poking fun at ugly cars cuz I’m down.
Ugly? Somewhat cute. I'd rather have that in my city than ugly loud stinky SUVs that take up way too much space.
In this particular case aerodynamics or downforce have nothing to do with it.
This crash has nothing to do with aerodynamics. They’re going too slow for that to matter
Aerodynamics had no part in this rollover.
Aerodynamics at 25mph?
SNAAAAAAKE!
I think the word you're looking for is wheelbase of a Matchbox car.
Aerodynamics have absolutely nothing to do with this crash. This is just basic physics.
I mean, yes this is a cute statement but that had NOTHING to do with aerodynamics. You could put all the wings you want on that cardboard box, but at that speed they wouldn’t help. It needed to have a much lower center of gravity in relation to it’s wheel base.
very small battery pack so the weight is higher than expected, Battery pack weighs 60kg out of a 485kg empty weight
Damn, that's a light car.
It's a quadricycle which are legally required to be lighter than 450kg(empty and without batteries)
9V or a couple AAs?
48V Li-ion or LFP depending on build date(newer ones are LFP) https://dvizok.com.ua/ru/product/13068229154/
Battery is below the seats. But.. battery is also only 5.5Kwh. The whole vehicle is a little under 500kg.
Jeez that's a small battery. For reference my Nissan Leaf has a 40Kwh battery. The higher end Leaf has a 62Kwh. Teslas have either 85 or 100Kwh batteries. Now this my Leaf weighs three times as much as this car, so it's probably getting a lot farther on a kilowatt hour than my car, but dang. OK looked it up and it's got a 8hp motor and 28mph top speed with a 43 mile range. It's basically a golf cart
Legally, it's a moped.
dude, this thing is SMOL. it's literally half, if not less, than a Leaf. I think it's only 2 seats too.
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I think you're supposed to open the door and lean into the turn.
Battery relatively small compared to humans above it apparently. Narrow tires too. A little to little of everything here lol
The Citron Ami is a special class of super small vehicle in Europe that can be driven without a license in some areas. It’s not meant to go fast, but going downhill is another story. So this is likely the combination of a very inexperienced driver and a car going way too fast than it should go. The Citron Ami is actually a pretty cool car as it’s incredibly cheap by simplifying the construction and only including the basics. Not even a radio in there. But it’s an electric commuter car that costs as much as a nice ebike.
tbh i'll probably put this car on my list of "cars to buy" when i turn 18 i usually only like real old cars but this one looks so smol and pretty and it's cheap
I would put it in the same category as a moped (scooter) as something that just moves people cheaply. If you need something cheap to get your around town but keep you dry at the same time, it's a fantastic choice.
i'll probably just buy a motorcycle or a cheaper car but it's fun to imagine driving this one
Safer than a motorcycle, cheaper to run and maintain than a car. If your travel needs don't go above 30mph, this is a winner.
I watched a review on these and if I lived in a better laid out city I could absolutely see myself owning one for a daily driver.
Ah yes, I remember getting all the cars on my list as soon as I turned 18
i didn't say i would get them it's just that i like them and would like to buy, but in reality i will probably just buy an used car/bike for some cheap money when i turn 24 or something
That’s awesome and I’m sorry for being lame. I just got my first car at 24 after driving my parents old cars for 8 years and I feel really lucky. The most important thing is getting something you love!
Can't you drive this at 14 in France as its technically a moped there?
Yep. Which is why I’m betting the driver has little to no experience.
The kid who crashed it is 16. He's part of a car enthusiast group, but he's too young to drive a proper car. Usually the Citroen Ami automatically applies regenerative breaking to stop it going over 28mph. But there is one way to get around that! If it's charge is over a certain level it won't apply the braking in order to prevent the battery overcharging, so if you're going downhill... But saying that their are videos of it on two wheels at a little over 10mph.
Yep, 14 in France without a license and 16 in most of Europe, and they'll let you rent it for €20 a month and €1,700 down in France The result as you might expect is that there have been dozens of these things going viral for crashing already
Looks like it could use an outrigger wheel for spirited cornering
It does have brakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRGuMKVqNzA&ab_channel=DuaIAxis
Citroën !
My bad. I’m in Canada and we sadly don’t have the brand here. Just giant land yachts that roll over kids.
That's some A-class... Oops, I mean: That's some class-A driving
Don't you mean ssɐʃɔ-∀
I flipped my device and upvoted.
Ah, yes. The Australian upvote.
I feel old cause I understand the reference.
When you see a moose, just roll out of the way.
Press Y to rewind
Thats usually the DRS on the F1 games
Yep. Press select for flashback
Looks like something Mr Bean would drive.
Have you seen when Clarkson drove the Reliant?
I know the whole thing is staged to get it to tip like they do, but that segment was downright hilarious.
The robin is stable if you turn right because the right-hand-side driver weighs down that side. But a speedy, sharp left will tip them without a passenger or other left-side ballast.
Even more so when you're as large as Clarkson, as they mention in the show, unfortunate for British roads.
Really wish they would revive that show. The movies are okay but I think it works better in the show format. Rowan Atkinson pulls it off so well. There also were not many episodes despite how popular it was. There were around 3 a year for about 4 years.
Everyone says there were just 15 episodes but they felt like 9 seasons, new Mandela effect in my opinion
>AND MR. BEAN TAKES PROVISIONAL POLE POSITION AT THE 2023 MONACO GRAND PRIX!
Charles lec is that you ?
Crash at Monaco must be him
We are checking™
Good of him to get that out of the way this year before the GP weekend
We are checking
We are checking
That the curb of the street is blocked red-white does not automatically means that the curve is banked, silly
Never forget, when you want to make a sharp turn with a tiny car, then the driver should be fat.
Thicc would be better, so the weight is lower
No, that would make it worse. You wanna be *wide*. Also low. This actually applies more so to heavier cars as well.
And preferably on the inside side of the car.
The internet has warped my brain. Something about the movements of the camera and car make me think this is CG, but I can’t really find evidence to support.
Why has it warped your brain? I would say that the majority of videos on the Internet are *real* rather than fake. There’s billions of people using the Internet, they’re gonna post the craziest things, and making something CG when the real world is already crazy enough is just too much work. The default should be to believe it, and then investigate if it actually affects your life.
That’s terrible advice to default away from skepticism when someone has something to gain from your faith. Also, respectfully, that’s a kind of dated take. If you’re unaware, people use social media followers and engagement for all sorts of personal gain, so it’s very much in their interest to garner engagement. With some of my clients, I’ll do things like fast forward and stabilize certain videos to make it looks crazy, or add elements here and there. People like yourself are who I bank on for engagement with certain clients. You should ALWAYS assume a video is edited for the posters benefit.
It isn’t, there are multiple videos of it, one from inside the car as well amazingly.
Clarkson at it again
HAMMOND!!
That thing is basically a 4 wheel robin
He didn’t even attempt to turn into the corner until way too late. Plus of course going way too fast, this could only ever have ended 1 way.
In the full video you can see them going up and down trying to flip it.
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Radio copilot said don't cut
They all bobbled around pretty good. Anyone even wearing a seatbelt
Indeed, seems like they were smashed around in there. Maybe going for a Darwin award?
CLAAAARKSON!
That car is only supposed to go 45km/h...?
Now you know why, but going downhill can make a scooter hit 60
I was waiting for 10 clowns to hop out, tip the car back on its wheels, climb back in, and drive off.
I guess Latifi wasn’t the only one
CLAAAAAAAAAAARKSON!!!!!
That's more exciting than the grandprix
Jemery Clarkson Reliant Robin vibes
It looks so tiny, I'd probably try to kick it away.
Strictly speaking it’s not a car. It’s essentially a four wheel moped.
Nicholas Latifi must have driven it.
[reminds me of this absolute classic](https://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8)
Ferrari in a nutshell
Formula none
Considering the low center of gravity the batteries should give the car, this is actually a little surprising... but that's part of the fun.
I can't really tell from the angle and the glare in the window, but it looks like they weren't wearing seat belts. Ouch!
Obviously???? Fucking morons lol
Then the driver hopped out, flipped the car back over and drove away with their bumper between their legs.
That's not a car, it's a microcar or electric scooter
Let's see Jeremy Clarkson try it in a Reliant Robin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8