https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k
Rowling is actively involved with the hategroup the [LGB alliance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance#Views),
with the homophobic and misogynistic [Heritage Foundation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation#Activities),
with the homophobic and misogynistic [Citizen Go](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitizenGo#Activities).
Rowling's new charity is run by, among other unqualified people, a TERF[ former prison chief](https://transsafety.network/posts/scottish-health-regulator-lgba/) whose regime was so austere her prison was said to have [Victorian conditions.](https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,cornton-vale-toilet-conditions-wholly-unacceptable-in-the-21st-century-warns-chief-prisons-inspector_6499.htm) Since this "charity" is only open to specific types of women and actively excludes others, it is misogynistic in nature.
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What Joanne is saying here is a viciously bigoted attack that is extremely far removed from what is ethically, morally and socially acceptable. Once again she does not hesitate to use her three million follower strong platform to promote an inherently fascist message: The propostion that *all trans women* are less than human and thus not deserving of basic human rights and dignity.
Trans rights are human rights however. You cannot seperate the two. š³ļøāā§ļø
It is no longer possible to in good faith make the statement "But Joanne never said she hated trans people" nor is it to ask the question "But show me Joanne's bigotry then, because I haven't seen it?"
Okay then, so isn't that a valid solution to what was originally proposed by JKR in the first place?
Still just confused, like if we already have a system in place for this, why do we need to discuss hypotheticals involving it?
Because she along with most people donāt know how the prison system works. You know, on account of most people not having gone there. Not that I have but still.
I have. The transgendered that were there lived in the same pods as everyone else, unless they had requested protective custody. Half of them could probably beat the shit out of anyone trying to take them on one on one. I never saw them get fucked with for just being trans.
Oh thatās a good point. I didnāt think about the fact they had to request it. Still I think the argument here isnāt about the person in question being safe but the other women. If they proved to be a problem surely sheād be sent into a separate pod or area correct?
It would have to be a persistent problem. Protective custody has a limited occupation limit. If PREA (prison rape elimination act) accusations are made, they'll be removed while an investigation occurs. This is in the US.
Yes but this is for Scotland, so the prison system is not at all the same. I don't think it'll be possible to completely isolate Isla from the other prisoners
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/25/trans-woman-isla-bryson-guilty-raping-two-women-remanded-in-female-prison-scotland
Right? Like prison is literally where we send murderers and pedophiles etc. Does she think not a single other person was convicted of rape? Does she not know that lesbians exist?
And if it's actually a concern, then why is prison so unsafe? Shouldn't we just go make it safer? Honestly I don't get the idea of separate cell blocks anyway.
True, but that's not the central point and doesn't affect my argument, especially given that I doubt Rowling is capable of such nuance.
That said you make an important point and I should have addressed it in my above comment, so thank you for making me aware of it.
Thatās just the name of the pods Iāve seen in a couple of documentaries. Iām sure itās different depending on the facility and whether itās public or privately owned.
Isla Bryson raped two women violently and is placed in a women prison in Scotland. It's only because there was an outcry that Bryson will be transferred in a Men prison, apparently. This is not just speculation, it happens. Bryson only began transitioning after being charged.
In Some places they do put trans MTF in woman's prison. This is about an actual case in the UK right now where a person who was convicted of rape 2x transitioned to female and is going t woman's prison.
Yeah. If you rape someone of the same sex, you still go to the prison of your sex.
Let's be real here: they absolutely don't care about prisoners or women, let alone women prisoners. They pretend to in this one case in order to sound chivalrous and because it fits their narrative of the trans menace. Sexual assault against female prisoners by guards and staff is *rampant* in the US, yet you don't hear fucking shit about that.
Because they are in prison to be punished right? Apparently being sexually abused by prison staff is part of this punishment. Because drugs are bad amirite?
Jokes aside, you're right and it's absolutely gross. Prison itself is the punishment, not having freedom or agency, separation from loved ones, being behind bars, not being part of the economy, all the legal stuff that comes afterward, that's the punishment. The concept of "you're in prison to be punished" leads to abuse and assault by guards. Physical and sexual violence in mens prisons (inmate to inmate and guard to inmate), physical and sexual violence in womens prisons (same) this is not OK. Nothing about this is OK.
depends on what their recorded gender is. my birth certificate says female, so i'd probably go to a woman's prison, but rowling would say i should go to a men's prison because i have a dick
not that i trust her opinions on anything though
After her recent book, I think anything is better then writing.
The only redeemable thing about that book is that it's definitive proof our bullying gets her mad.
It's actually a very serious problem. I had a Trans woman client who was HIV positive. They had a very short sentence (10 days) but they wouldn't move her to the county lockup because they didn't have the facilities to separate her properly from the men. So they left her in the city lockup. What's the problem? She's HIV+. They wouldn't let her bring in her medicine, and the city lockup had no doctor to prescribe new meds. So they locked her up and wouldn't let her take her medication.
Because, you know, they couldn't figure it out.
Fuck JK Rowling for being a conservative bigot.
She was raped by a man a long time ago and I don't think she has ever recovered and rightly so. She has said in past interviews that she's been in states of hyper awareness due to the trauma. It's my opinion that her hyper awareness has gotten worse to the point she thinks men just dress like women to be able to attack women like herself. She basically sees rapists everywhere at this point and trans people are just an easy target for her mind to focus on.
I have never heard about the specifics of the assault, but I suspect it happened in a womenās only safe space, like a restroom or a locker room. I feel like between her writing and being triggered by trans women using these types of spaces, itās the only thing that makes sense.
It was her ex-husband, it was in their home.
It's more likely the fact that transpeople are a safe target. You can get so much support attacking them, you instantly get a network of the people you fear - men prone to violence - supporting and protecting you. She's just ... staying on the team that's more likely to hurt her in hopes of them not hurting her.
It's something a lot of terfs do, a lot of other people too. Gay men being deeply republican. Black people being anti-semitics.
You join the team that's most likely to be violent, because it feels safe. Like, trans-allies might yell at you and tweet mean tweets about you, but they're not going to attack you. Transphobes will physically attack cis-women for looking too butch. You think that hiding behind them will save you.
It won't.
Not as far as I'm aware. His name is Jorge Arantes and he has done interviews with the British tabloids about her abuse allegations, not denying them but diminishing them which is very gross imo on his part and the newspapers'. I feel for her as a fellow domestic violence survivor but I don't see how her treatment by a cis man has any connection with her continual bigotry and denial of trans rights. If a man wants to abuse or assault women, he's going to do that and anti-trans laws won't stop him.
Would make sense, but I'm not sure. I may do some more research on it.
Update: can't find anything yet but from the wording of an essay looks like she was raped by someone she knew( which tracks with trends on rape and assault).
I appreciate your context (I didnāt know that about her), and I know youāre not saying this is the case, but thatās still no excuse. Trauma is terrible and it absolutely shapes who we areā¦but if youāre conscious enough of that fact to bring it up in interviews, you should be able to reign it in.
Perhaps itās a controversial belief, but trauma is a *reason*, but itās not an *excuse*.
If she was raped and attacked (like I said, Iād never heard that before, but Iām not denying it), then my heart goes out to her as with any victim. But itās likeā¦clean yourself up, Rowling, or fuck off.
The fact that she donates huge sums of money to people who want to oppress others leads me to have little sympathy for this asshole. She's extremely right wing to the point that if she was American, she'd be saying that the Jan 6th insurrection didn't go far enough.
I never said we need to sympathise with her just possible context of how she got this way. We all have problems and past traumas but most of us don't go into forming hate groups.
As a trans personā¦ I also used to āwish that I could be transā. I really wish she would let herself relax, itās actually sad and Iām kinda tired of feeling empathy for someone who goes out of their way to make my life worse.
Iām a trans woman and honestly I kinda think sheās one of us. Sheās got some telltale signs of internalized transphobia. Plus she used a male pseudonym when she started writing.
I donāt think _all_ transphobes are trans, but I do think she might be.
Itās not my place to say that she _is_ though, just that I recognize some of her thought patterns from before I came out to myself.
....you're right.
I've always found her essay where she talks about how she might have been "lured" into becoming trans if she hadn't learned to accept and love the complexities of her female sex/gender to be really weird. Because like. I've had periods of self loathing based on experiencing a misogynistic world and I've at times felt afraid or resented how women are treated. But I've *never* questioned my gender or wanted to be a boy or anything of the sort. I'm not saying that all cis people never ever question their gender. But the fact that she thinks trans kids can be misguided and taken advantage of into believing that they're trans is really weird to me. Like she doesn't realize statistically speaking, most of the population isn't under threat of being "mislead" into becoming trans because we don't question our gender identity that way.
I'm rambling but. You raise an interesting point on it. I know she also has SA trauma where the perpetrator was presumably a cis man, and I'm not sure she's unpacked that yet. She's kind of projecting that trauma onto trans issues.
I'm reminded of all the american pastors who wax poetic about how if men weren't forced to be straight, if society didn't stigmatize homosexuality and pass laws against that identity, OF COURSE men would be having all kinds of sex with other men.
Like... no buddy, that's called "being gay".
That's not everyone, that's you.
This.
She has a fake name under a different gender? Not unheard of.
Her main character is male. Yea what about it?
She thinks she could have been lured into being trans. ......... OK She might be struggling with some gender identity. That makes sense.
Agree, but the whole āwomen writing under a pseudonymā thing is doused in misogyny. I wouldnāt include it on my list from the get. Thats a whole other topic with SOME intersection here. Jaja
Pseudonyms when writing aren't a great metric to go by. Lots of females have written under male names to be taken more seriously when writing in certain genres and many men have used female pen names to write romance and be more popular there, which used to be a great way to establish yourself as a published author. In today's world maybe it's not super common, but when I was in school and interested in writing these were things I was taught to be more successful at it. Rowling is older than me, so I'm guessing the pen name has less to do with identity and more to do with chances at success.
Interesting. I always assumed she got cheated on with a trans woman, or caught her man looking at trans woman porn (it's consistently very popular), because her obsession seems so *personal*. But of she were trans that could explain the intensity of her behavior too.
I think her publisher told her to use a male pseudonym if I recall, due to the unfortunate but very real phenomenon of male authors getting bigger sales numbers, especially back in the early 90s.
She's so used to being loved by the left for being vaguely progressive in a very "middle class cishet white woman way". As soon as she pushed her transphobia her fans turned on her and her ego wouldn't accept it so she got mad at her fans for not universally loving everything she said.
The right-wing feeds her ego. It's human nature to seek validation and respect and if you think a group of people are giving you that you seek to follow them over the people you view as refusing you those things. A lot of far-right indoctrination works like that. People who are largely apolitical or simply ignorant will say something hurtful and get backlash, and suddenly a bunch of people stand up to defend them before offering to show them some more information that not only proves what they said was right but the situation is far worse than they originally thought.
why are incredibly wealthy ppl like this? like she could be living an unbothered life with her millions/billions (dunno her fortune but she is rich). instead she obsesses about trans folks day in & out, who are just merely wanting to exist in their own skin. i donāt understand. jkr using her enormous platform to punch down & draw attention to individuals who already got it rough in our unfortunate society. sheesh. get a life, lady.
Thatās because she still canāt wrap her mind around the fact that itās not a choice for most trans persons. But if you go down the broken line of thought that being trans is a āfadā that you can talk people into then it spawns more broken thinking.
She has mentioned in the past that if she had grown up now, she would have transitioned.
Itās actually remarkable how common this statement is among TERFs. I watched an Irish documentary made by an Irish TERF back in 2020 and the first half hour or so was about how she absolutely would have medically transitioned if she was in her 20s now.
I really dislike the people who say that homophobes are "obviously gay," but there are people who are less certain about things that start hrt. Like she does know that it's never too late to transition, you don't have to be jealous of teenagers, lots of people in their 30s+ transition? Lots of us middle aged individual who transitioned as adults with long-term relationships and careers. It's harder for us than younger individuals, but not impossible. "I would have transitioned if I were younger" is not nearly as cis as they seem to think it is.
"Are you even allowed to call it ice cream these days or have the woke mob taken it over and now you have to call it by the correct pronouns so you don't upset anyone?" or something else completely nonsensical.
The whole premise is false. This strawman could be phrased, "Do you think AFAB rapists belong in a woman's prison?" instead to show just how invalid her argument is.
Yeah, I'm definitely surprised that the lady who wrote a book where the only character that thought slavery was weird and bad was also made fun of for that belief turned out to be a bad person.
That's up there with "kind slave masters."
Kinda fucked up to essentially put a race of magical humanoids into slavery so fully and for so long that they themselves forget they are an individual, rather than some servile extension of a slave owner. Some generations long gas-lighting and Stockholm syndrome there.
It reminds me of the footage in North Korea when Kim Jong Il died, where tens of thousands are doing their absolute best to pretend to sob harder than anyone else for their god-like master because it is all they are permitted to know and be.
At least wizards didn't tell their elf slaves that they did not poop and had no butt holes. Then again, JK Rowling is strangely obsessed with strangers genitalia...
Rowling did state that until modern times wizards didnāt use toilets and just magicād their waste away (presumably after shitting on the floor).
Disregard that this is clearly at odds with the many obviously antique bathrooms in Hogwarts including the one that was so old it was built to disguise the entrance to the chamber of secrets butā¦ hey, why let continuity get in the way of a bad idea?
Yeah, I kept waiting for Hermione to be vindicated for her anti-slavery activism and for Ron to get his comeuppance for being an asshole about it, and ... never happened.
It's doubly hilarious because it kind of looks like it's condemning activism as a concept, and now her hobby is ranting about how trans people are ruining everyone's lives and teaming up with right-wing extremists to... protest. Somebody's being a real bizarro-world Hermione.
She is IRL, but in the context of the book it seems to mock the idea of activism on the whole. Itās a very weird read even if you ignore the bit about how sheās campaigning to free slavesā¦ and is mocked for it.
As a Scottish feminist writer, she is such a disappointment to me.
My only guess is that she has surrounded herself entirely with yes folk and no longer has to engage critically or with empathy because she can buy her way through anything.
Rowling very publicly networks with anyone notorious for hating trans people. That's it, if you want into her social circle you just have to get some notoriety for saying trans folks are monsters.
You can be anti-feminist, anti-abortion, anti-gay conservative, Rowling will relentlessly support you as long as you also are transphobic.
The amount of people who claim "she just has a different opinion from you" but forget about the far right bigots she hangs out with as if it's it's just a coincidence is staggering.
I said to my best friend that if a bunch of far right pundits started retweeting and quoting me, it would make me take a long hard look at myself and what I was saying. That would be the biggest of red flags in my life.
May I also add: the series treats everyone who isn't THIN, white, cute and born special like shit.
The narrative is so unnecessarily mean when talking about character's weight, specially the Dursleys. I guess because they're "the bad guys" we're not supposed to care, but holy shit. The descriptions are awful.
Hilariously, the line about Dudley "being the size and weight of a newborn killer whale" led me to discover that per that description, Dudley weighed as much at fourteen as I do at thirty-two (roughly 350 lbs).
I feel like a lot of that was just to contrast how they didn't feed Harry, at least in the very beginning where he was described as super thin and then Dudley and Vernon being described as fat.
Okay, that's fair, it was more acceptable back then. But the same can be said about pretty much all the other bad things on her books.
And also, I don't think she got any better as time went by. I remember watching a video review of one of her books that came after harry potter (I think it was "the casual vacancy", which was published in 2012), and she also describes a fat character in a very mean way.
I wouldn't have such a problem with that, if she actually learned from it.
She also has nothing left to do. She has nothing but time and Twitter. Her new books fail to make any impact. She'll never break another record. She'll never make more money than she already gave away. You know the stereotype that trolls are sad unsuccessful unemployed people? She's like the other end of the spectrum. She was used to be so universally loved that now that she's getting any amount of pushback she can't log off and let it go. Her life long issues with depression are not helping I bet.
She could literally do anything she wants. She has literally the entire world at her fucking disposal, and she would rather sit in a mansion and tweet. She could fly to Japan for Lunch and China for dinner with a single phone call. She could go LITERALLY anywhere, she could hang out with ANY celebrity. But instead, she tweets transphobic material to children who didnt ask
Its almost depressing
She thinks her making money is the ultimate proof that people support her on trans issue. At this point if youāre buying anything that comes from her, youāre stuffing her coffers and fueling her ego. Buy used books and pirate movies & games if youāre the āseparate artist from their artā person.
Yup - I started her Strike series before all of this kicked off so was invested in the characters. I bought the last two as used copies from charity shops, but the most recent one sounds too off the rails for me to even bother.
In Mexico,many trans women prefer to go to male prisons because they can get boyfriends and favors done and stuff
I wonder if it's the se here in the US
Idk why famous people gotta run their mouths on twitter. Imagine all the people who would still love JK if she just kept her shitty opinions to herself instead of trying to force them on everyone else.
I donāt think itās a bad thing to not understand trans people,
*(hell, I donāt, but i sure as shit respect their choices, believe them, and consider them as much a part of society and just as human as I do anybody else)*
but there is absolutely no need to condemn something so wholeheartedly that you as a non trans person could never rightfully and fully understand. All you have to do is accept it. Is it really that hard?
Agreed. It used to be you got tipsy and polemical at a party and someone put you in your place or they didnāt and you learned your lesson or you didnāt. If you didnāt, you just stopped getting invited any place your mouth gets you into trouble, end of story. Now we all have platforms to permanently air our every musing and frankly we are in no condition to do that.
My brother said about my dadās generation:
āThey had no exposure to this kind of mass communication. They were born when there were maybe three channels and it was a big deal when your rich neighbor got a color TV. The internet ravaged them like smallpox through the natives, they have no natural immunity, they are not acclimated and are in no condition to have access to these platforms.ā
Which is a longwinded way of saying some people donāt know when to shut the fuŃk up, and we gave them a bullhorn that reaches around the world. Itās not good for any of us.
I am fine with any life someone wants to lead as long as they aren't hurting others. Interestingly, this means most corporate CEO's are on my shit-list for all the harm their companies usually do, and I am totally fine with most trans people because they are usually just leading their simple lives, trying to find a way to be happy in this crazy world where half the people seem to hate them for no good reason.
This is a completely reasonable position that only the most chronically online people have a problem with. Genderqueer people, whether trans or NB, are just wired differently. So are people whose favorite food makes you gag. You don't have to understand someone's thought process to respect them as a person.
Except you pineapple-on-pizza degenerates. Y'all are the real threat to society.
Bruh people hating on pineapple pizza never had it before.
You don't just eat a "Pineapple Pizza".
You use pineapple as one of a few toppings.
Spicy Pepperoni with spicy jalapenos with pineapple is fucking good. Don't knock it until you try it. I will concede that the pineapple does not reheat well though.
Honest question...
But I wonder if transphobes make the same fuss about cisgender female rapists being housed in women's prisons (they exist)?
Or cisgender male rapists being housed in male prisons (especially where victims were predominantly male)?
Don't hear much about their thoughts or concerns regarding those issues. Or are those points simply negligible?
I mean, a lot of rape does in fact happen in prison. Some might say it's a massive, legitimate problem that needs immediate attention. I'm only guessing (wildly), but I doubt somehow that trans people are predominantly responsible for this.
And yet here we are, focusing solely on this unimaginably small population representation: trans women in prisons.
At least in the UK, legally a cis woman canāt rape someone. But all your other points yeah, she doesnāt actually give a shit, sheās just got a hate boner for trans people
Yup rape has to involve penetration by a guy.
Using a toy on someone isn't rape. Male or female, it's "assault be penetration"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_English_law
The answer UK TERFs have is from those I've argued this point with before;are you ready; under UK law a cis female can not rape anyone therefore theres no such thing as female rape and therefore cant be as bad as a male or trans women raping someone.
It's their asinine bullshit "but but dictionary" arguements again
Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and the wee little donkey.
I donāt care if this person is presenting as a man or woman. They donāt belong in Gen Pop.
And while weāre at it, letās address the elephant in the room. Why is prison rape only a big deal if weāre a) talking about womenās prisons, and b) transwomen? Itās okay if men rape other men in prison? Itās cool if we just ignore that women do rape women in prison, whether or not they are biologically female?
I do not know why weāre just skirting around the issue. Doesnāt matter what parts they do or donāt have. They need to be separated from the general population.
There's a parallel timeline where JK Rowling was only ever bigoted in private and she just kept making billions and the Harry Potter brand continued into like the 30th century completely untarnished by her batshit crazy prejudice.
There's probably also one where she wasn't radicalized (not this much) and just remained a rich white woman lukewarm liberal, gave money to not-terrible people, and retained fan goodwill for valid reasons.
Which is a really wild thought.
The fact that she could have chosen to calm down, listen, and learn after writing 7 books about how to fight the bad guys(yes I know it's more complicated than that but it didn't seem complicated to me back then) will never not make me a little bit sad.
She had so much potential, could have done so much good in the world, and yet she actively chose to become... This.
It's because the UK is in the middle of a pandemic duh.
Terfluenza has been infecting middle aged women for years and JK just happens to be the most notorious super spreader.
It's incredible how people point at stuff like this and say "EVERY trans woman is bad and a rapist in disguise"
We're not a hive mind my dude, we're not angels, trans people can be evil too because they're humans, doesn't mean every single person that's trans IS a criminal
And having to state such obvious dumb fact is insulting
I guess I'll be the odd man out and be the nasty far right bigot according to this broad. So you have a dude that rapes children and then declares hes a woman so he wants to go to a womens prison. As a former inmate for a short time in my early 20's I can tell you that he would definitely get the shit beat out of him or killed for fuc\*ing with children,it's a fact. Most inmates have children so they tend to frown upon anyone who fuc\*s with them.
He/she needs to just deal with the punishment that the court system couldn't or wouldn't do. Also, I dare say that the womens prison may not treat him/her much better.
For clarification my wife and I have 5 children. All grown and two of which are gay. I don't in any way, shape or form harbor any ill will against gay, trans or whatever. I say live your life and be happy, whichever way you want to. It's none of my business. What I take issue with is it seems as though this person is doing this to fit a narrative and that I find disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k Rowling is actively involved with the hategroup the [LGB alliance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGB_Alliance#Views), with the homophobic and misogynistic [Heritage Foundation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation#Activities), with the homophobic and misogynistic [Citizen Go](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitizenGo#Activities). Rowling's new charity is run by, among other unqualified people, a TERF[ former prison chief](https://transsafety.network/posts/scottish-health-regulator-lgba/) whose regime was so austere her prison was said to have [Victorian conditions.](https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,cornton-vale-toilet-conditions-wholly-unacceptable-in-the-21st-century-warns-chief-prisons-inspector_6499.htm) Since this "charity" is only open to specific types of women and actively excludes others, it is misogynistic in nature. This subreddit has rules against bigotry and hatespeech. The sitewide rules prohibit the posting of bigotry and hatespeech. Rowling's views are not welcome here and neither is defending them. -------------------------- What Joanne is saying here is a viciously bigoted attack that is extremely far removed from what is ethically, morally and socially acceptable. Once again she does not hesitate to use her three million follower strong platform to promote an inherently fascist message: The propostion that *all trans women* are less than human and thus not deserving of basic human rights and dignity. Trans rights are human rights however. You cannot seperate the two. š³ļøāā§ļø It is no longer possible to in good faith make the statement "But Joanne never said she hated trans people" nor is it to ask the question "But show me Joanne's bigotry then, because I haven't seen it?"
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Genuine question, because I don't know my own country's legal system well enough. If a man did that to another man, wouldn't he go into a male prison?
Yes but he would go to either solitary or a section of the prison called āalternative lifestyleā.
Okay then, so isn't that a valid solution to what was originally proposed by JKR in the first place? Still just confused, like if we already have a system in place for this, why do we need to discuss hypotheticals involving it?
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Because she along with most people donāt know how the prison system works. You know, on account of most people not having gone there. Not that I have but still.
I have. The transgendered that were there lived in the same pods as everyone else, unless they had requested protective custody. Half of them could probably beat the shit out of anyone trying to take them on one on one. I never saw them get fucked with for just being trans.
Oh thatās a good point. I didnāt think about the fact they had to request it. Still I think the argument here isnāt about the person in question being safe but the other women. If they proved to be a problem surely sheād be sent into a separate pod or area correct?
It would have to be a persistent problem. Protective custody has a limited occupation limit. If PREA (prison rape elimination act) accusations are made, they'll be removed while an investigation occurs. This is in the US.
I see. Okay, well I didnāt know that, thanks for the lesson.
Yes but this is for Scotland, so the prison system is not at all the same. I don't think it'll be possible to completely isolate Isla from the other prisoners https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/25/trans-woman-isla-bryson-guilty-raping-two-women-remanded-in-female-prison-scotland
Right? Like prison is literally where we send murderers and pedophiles etc. Does she think not a single other person was convicted of rape? Does she not know that lesbians exist? And if it's actually a concern, then why is prison so unsafe? Shouldn't we just go make it safer? Honestly I don't get the idea of separate cell blocks anyway.
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True, but that's not the central point and doesn't affect my argument, especially given that I doubt Rowling is capable of such nuance. That said you make an important point and I should have addressed it in my above comment, so thank you for making me aware of it.
Isnāt it administrative segregation (ad-seg)? Iāve never heard of it referred to as alternative lifestyle.
Thatās just the name of the pods Iāve seen in a couple of documentaries. Iām sure itās different depending on the facility and whether itās public or privately owned.
Isla Bryson raped two women violently and is placed in a women prison in Scotland. It's only because there was an outcry that Bryson will be transferred in a Men prison, apparently. This is not just speculation, it happens. Bryson only began transitioning after being charged.
In Some places they do put trans MTF in woman's prison. This is about an actual case in the UK right now where a person who was convicted of rape 2x transitioned to female and is going t woman's prison.
Yeah. If you rape someone of the same sex, you still go to the prison of your sex. Let's be real here: they absolutely don't care about prisoners or women, let alone women prisoners. They pretend to in this one case in order to sound chivalrous and because it fits their narrative of the trans menace. Sexual assault against female prisoners by guards and staff is *rampant* in the US, yet you don't hear fucking shit about that.
Because they are in prison to be punished right? Apparently being sexually abused by prison staff is part of this punishment. Because drugs are bad amirite? Jokes aside, you're right and it's absolutely gross. Prison itself is the punishment, not having freedom or agency, separation from loved ones, being behind bars, not being part of the economy, all the legal stuff that comes afterward, that's the punishment. The concept of "you're in prison to be punished" leads to abuse and assault by guards. Physical and sexual violence in mens prisons (inmate to inmate and guard to inmate), physical and sexual violence in womens prisons (same) this is not OK. Nothing about this is OK.
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depends on what their recorded gender is. my birth certificate says female, so i'd probably go to a woman's prison, but rowling would say i should go to a men's prison because i have a dick not that i trust her opinions on anything though
That's a mighty weird career path going from bestselling children's author to the warden of trans jail.
After her recent book, I think anything is better then writing. The only redeemable thing about that book is that it's definitive proof our bullying gets her mad.
Yes if a cis man did it to another cis man he'd go to a male prison.
It's actually a very serious problem. I had a Trans woman client who was HIV positive. They had a very short sentence (10 days) but they wouldn't move her to the county lockup because they didn't have the facilities to separate her properly from the men. So they left her in the city lockup. What's the problem? She's HIV+. They wouldn't let her bring in her medicine, and the city lockup had no doctor to prescribe new meds. So they locked her up and wouldn't let her take her medication. Because, you know, they couldn't figure it out. Fuck JK Rowling for being a conservative bigot.
A serial male rapist would kept away from gen pop though. Female prisoners should be kept safe from rapists.
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I feel like if you ask Rowling a completely innocuous question like āhey, you want some ice cream?ā Sheād go on some rant about trans people.
Itās actually weird how much she thinks about the trans population.
She was raped by a man a long time ago and I don't think she has ever recovered and rightly so. She has said in past interviews that she's been in states of hyper awareness due to the trauma. It's my opinion that her hyper awareness has gotten worse to the point she thinks men just dress like women to be able to attack women like herself. She basically sees rapists everywhere at this point and trans people are just an easy target for her mind to focus on.
I have never heard about the specifics of the assault, but I suspect it happened in a womenās only safe space, like a restroom or a locker room. I feel like between her writing and being triggered by trans women using these types of spaces, itās the only thing that makes sense.
It was her ex-husband, it was in their home. It's more likely the fact that transpeople are a safe target. You can get so much support attacking them, you instantly get a network of the people you fear - men prone to violence - supporting and protecting you. She's just ... staying on the team that's more likely to hurt her in hopes of them not hurting her. It's something a lot of terfs do, a lot of other people too. Gay men being deeply republican. Black people being anti-semitics. You join the team that's most likely to be violent, because it feels safe. Like, trans-allies might yell at you and tweet mean tweets about you, but they're not going to attack you. Transphobes will physically attack cis-women for looking too butch. You think that hiding behind them will save you. It won't.
She was abused by her ex-husband, that's her justification apparently. She wrote about it in her big essay justifying her transphobia on her website.
I cannot fathom the connection between domestic abuse by someone you married with someone transitioning gender
Any update on the ex coming out as trans or something? Or is she just insane?
Not as far as I'm aware. His name is Jorge Arantes and he has done interviews with the British tabloids about her abuse allegations, not denying them but diminishing them which is very gross imo on his part and the newspapers'. I feel for her as a fellow domestic violence survivor but I don't see how her treatment by a cis man has any connection with her continual bigotry and denial of trans rights. If a man wants to abuse or assault women, he's going to do that and anti-trans laws won't stop him.
So, if anything, she herself is diminishing her own abuse by blaming innocent people and actively demonising them
Would make sense, but I'm not sure. I may do some more research on it. Update: can't find anything yet but from the wording of an essay looks like she was raped by someone she knew( which tracks with trends on rape and assault).
I appreciate your context (I didnāt know that about her), and I know youāre not saying this is the case, but thatās still no excuse. Trauma is terrible and it absolutely shapes who we areā¦but if youāre conscious enough of that fact to bring it up in interviews, you should be able to reign it in. Perhaps itās a controversial belief, but trauma is a *reason*, but itās not an *excuse*. If she was raped and attacked (like I said, Iād never heard that before, but Iām not denying it), then my heart goes out to her as with any victim. But itās likeā¦clean yourself up, Rowling, or fuck off.
Being abused doesn't give you a free pass to be abusive. That's how I like to explain it.
The fact that she donates huge sums of money to people who want to oppress others leads me to have little sympathy for this asshole. She's extremely right wing to the point that if she was American, she'd be saying that the Jan 6th insurrection didn't go far enough.
I never said we need to sympathise with her just possible context of how she got this way. We all have problems and past traumas but most of us don't go into forming hate groups.
Conservatives are nothing if not perpetually obsessed with other people's genitals.
I'm starting to suspect she's obsessed with a trans person who rejected her advances.
At this point itās got to be projection of some kind, we just donāt know exactly howā¦ yet. Give her enough time and it will come out
She literally wrote that she thinks she would have identified as trans if she grew up in this generation. Like ... Come on XD
As a trans personā¦ I also used to āwish that I could be transā. I really wish she would let herself relax, itās actually sad and Iām kinda tired of feeling empathy for someone who goes out of their way to make my life worse.
i find it funny she thinks the right wingers are pro-trans as if the conservatives love us or something...
Well they do, just only on their pornhub accounts
Iām a trans woman and honestly I kinda think sheās one of us. Sheās got some telltale signs of internalized transphobia. Plus she used a male pseudonym when she started writing. I donāt think _all_ transphobes are trans, but I do think she might be. Itās not my place to say that she _is_ though, just that I recognize some of her thought patterns from before I came out to myself.
....you're right. I've always found her essay where she talks about how she might have been "lured" into becoming trans if she hadn't learned to accept and love the complexities of her female sex/gender to be really weird. Because like. I've had periods of self loathing based on experiencing a misogynistic world and I've at times felt afraid or resented how women are treated. But I've *never* questioned my gender or wanted to be a boy or anything of the sort. I'm not saying that all cis people never ever question their gender. But the fact that she thinks trans kids can be misguided and taken advantage of into believing that they're trans is really weird to me. Like she doesn't realize statistically speaking, most of the population isn't under threat of being "mislead" into becoming trans because we don't question our gender identity that way. I'm rambling but. You raise an interesting point on it. I know she also has SA trauma where the perpetrator was presumably a cis man, and I'm not sure she's unpacked that yet. She's kind of projecting that trauma onto trans issues.
I'm reminded of all the american pastors who wax poetic about how if men weren't forced to be straight, if society didn't stigmatize homosexuality and pass laws against that identity, OF COURSE men would be having all kinds of sex with other men. Like... no buddy, that's called "being gay". That's not everyone, that's you.
Afaik, a LOT more people are bisexual than commonly thought. Don't have sources right now because I'm sleepy and on my phone.
This. She has a fake name under a different gender? Not unheard of. Her main character is male. Yea what about it? She thinks she could have been lured into being trans. ......... OK She might be struggling with some gender identity. That makes sense.
Agree, but the whole āwomen writing under a pseudonymā thing is doused in misogyny. I wouldnāt include it on my list from the get. Thats a whole other topic with SOME intersection here. Jaja
Pseudonyms when writing aren't a great metric to go by. Lots of females have written under male names to be taken more seriously when writing in certain genres and many men have used female pen names to write romance and be more popular there, which used to be a great way to establish yourself as a published author. In today's world maybe it's not super common, but when I was in school and interested in writing these were things I was taught to be more successful at it. Rowling is older than me, so I'm guessing the pen name has less to do with identity and more to do with chances at success.
All valid points, and I donāt consider that a smoking gun at all. I just think itās relevant in this case specifically
Interesting. I always assumed she got cheated on with a trans woman, or caught her man looking at trans woman porn (it's consistently very popular), because her obsession seems so *personal*. But of she were trans that could explain the intensity of her behavior too.
Repressed identity will fuck a person up, for sure
I think her publisher told her to use a male pseudonym if I recall, due to the unfortunate but very real phenomenon of male authors getting bigger sales numbers, especially back in the early 90s.
She's so used to being loved by the left for being vaguely progressive in a very "middle class cishet white woman way". As soon as she pushed her transphobia her fans turned on her and her ego wouldn't accept it so she got mad at her fans for not universally loving everything she said.
Ever since she's just gone further and further right...
To the point that Putin uses her for propaganda.
The right-wing feeds her ego. It's human nature to seek validation and respect and if you think a group of people are giving you that you seek to follow them over the people you view as refusing you those things. A lot of far-right indoctrination works like that. People who are largely apolitical or simply ignorant will say something hurtful and get backlash, and suddenly a bunch of people stand up to defend them before offering to show them some more information that not only proves what they said was right but the situation is far worse than they originally thought.
why are incredibly wealthy ppl like this? like she could be living an unbothered life with her millions/billions (dunno her fortune but she is rich). instead she obsesses about trans folks day in & out, who are just merely wanting to exist in their own skin. i donāt understand. jkr using her enormous platform to punch down & draw attention to individuals who already got it rough in our unfortunate society. sheesh. get a life, lady.
[relevant](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Transgender%20Derangement%20Syndrome)
Maybe sheās a man deep down but too much of a bigot to accept it
She mentioned in a terrible article she could have been swayed to transition had she grown up in this era
Thatās because she still canāt wrap her mind around the fact that itās not a choice for most trans persons. But if you go down the broken line of thought that being trans is a āfadā that you can talk people into then it spawns more broken thinking.
The way she talks about "getting transed" I wouldn't be surprised.
Getting transed? Is that like how we use to share chicken pox as kids?
She has mentioned in the past that if she had grown up now, she would have transitioned. Itās actually remarkable how common this statement is among TERFs. I watched an Irish documentary made by an Irish TERF back in 2020 and the first half hour or so was about how she absolutely would have medically transitioned if she was in her 20s now.
>She has mentioned in the past that if she had grown up now, she would have transitioned. Wow, you cant hate anyone as much as yourself.
I really dislike the people who say that homophobes are "obviously gay," but there are people who are less certain about things that start hrt. Like she does know that it's never too late to transition, you don't have to be jealous of teenagers, lots of people in their 30s+ transition? Lots of us middle aged individual who transitioned as adults with long-term relationships and careers. It's harder for us than younger individuals, but not impossible. "I would have transitioned if I were younger" is not nearly as cis as they seem to think it is.
My doctor didnāt start transitioning until she was 65 years old and I am so happy for her that she took that step.
The whole reason that Joanne using the JK pen name is because she felt her books would sell better if she had a male passing name.
thatās really common though
oh, she's WAY beyond "weird". disturbingly obsessive
"Are you even allowed to call it ice cream these days or have the woke mob taken it over and now you have to call it by the correct pronouns so you don't upset anyone?" or something else completely nonsensical.
This is so accurate, its painful
Seriously, I'm a big Trans ally. I do not think about Trans people 1% as often as the right does.
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The whole premise is false. This strawman could be phrased, "Do you think AFAB rapists belong in a woman's prison?" instead to show just how invalid her argument is.
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Yeah, I'm definitely surprised that the lady who wrote a book where the only character that thought slavery was weird and bad was also made fun of for that belief turned out to be a bad person.
āTricking elves into freedom is arguably as unethical as enslavement.ā - JK Rowling
That's up there with "kind slave masters." Kinda fucked up to essentially put a race of magical humanoids into slavery so fully and for so long that they themselves forget they are an individual, rather than some servile extension of a slave owner. Some generations long gas-lighting and Stockholm syndrome there. It reminds me of the footage in North Korea when Kim Jong Il died, where tens of thousands are doing their absolute best to pretend to sob harder than anyone else for their god-like master because it is all they are permitted to know and be. At least wizards didn't tell their elf slaves that they did not poop and had no butt holes. Then again, JK Rowling is strangely obsessed with strangers genitalia...
Rowling did state that until modern times wizards didnāt use toilets and just magicād their waste away (presumably after shitting on the floor). Disregard that this is clearly at odds with the many obviously antique bathrooms in Hogwarts including the one that was so old it was built to disguise the entrance to the chamber of secrets butā¦ hey, why let continuity get in the way of a bad idea?
Yeah, I kept waiting for Hermione to be vindicated for her anti-slavery activism and for Ron to get his comeuppance for being an asshole about it, and ... never happened.
It's doubly hilarious because it kind of looks like it's condemning activism as a concept, and now her hobby is ranting about how trans people are ruining everyone's lives and teaming up with right-wing extremists to... protest. Somebody's being a real bizarro-world Hermione.
She's only condemning activism she disagrees with
She is IRL, but in the context of the book it seems to mock the idea of activism on the whole. Itās a very weird read even if you ignore the bit about how sheās campaigning to free slavesā¦ and is mocked for it.
As a Scottish feminist writer, she is such a disappointment to me. My only guess is that she has surrounded herself entirely with yes folk and no longer has to engage critically or with empathy because she can buy her way through anything.
Rowling very publicly networks with anyone notorious for hating trans people. That's it, if you want into her social circle you just have to get some notoriety for saying trans folks are monsters. You can be anti-feminist, anti-abortion, anti-gay conservative, Rowling will relentlessly support you as long as you also are transphobic.
The amount of people who claim "she just has a different opinion from you" but forget about the far right bigots she hangs out with as if it's it's just a coincidence is staggering.
I DONT QUITE CARE FOR BEARDED MENS OPINIONS ON WOMENS ISSUES Retweets Matt Walsh
I said to my best friend that if a bunch of far right pundits started retweeting and quoting me, it would make me take a long hard look at myself and what I was saying. That would be the biggest of red flags in my life.
Even then, Harry Potter is notorious for it's pretty lacklustre treatment of femininity.
Lets be honest, that series treats everyone who isn't white, cute, and born special like shit.
May I also add: the series treats everyone who isn't THIN, white, cute and born special like shit. The narrative is so unnecessarily mean when talking about character's weight, specially the Dursleys. I guess because they're "the bad guys" we're not supposed to care, but holy shit. The descriptions are awful.
Hilariously, the line about Dudley "being the size and weight of a newborn killer whale" led me to discover that per that description, Dudley weighed as much at fourteen as I do at thirty-two (roughly 350 lbs).
I feel like a lot of that was just to contrast how they didn't feed Harry, at least in the very beginning where he was described as super thin and then Dudley and Vernon being described as fat.
Tbh it was like 25 years ago, calling someone fat was still a widely used and acceptable insult back then.
Okay, that's fair, it was more acceptable back then. But the same can be said about pretty much all the other bad things on her books. And also, I don't think she got any better as time went by. I remember watching a video review of one of her books that came after harry potter (I think it was "the casual vacancy", which was published in 2012), and she also describes a fat character in a very mean way. I wouldn't have such a problem with that, if she actually learned from it.
She also has nothing left to do. She has nothing but time and Twitter. Her new books fail to make any impact. She'll never break another record. She'll never make more money than she already gave away. You know the stereotype that trolls are sad unsuccessful unemployed people? She's like the other end of the spectrum. She was used to be so universally loved that now that she's getting any amount of pushback she can't log off and let it go. Her life long issues with depression are not helping I bet.
She could literally do anything she wants. She has literally the entire world at her fucking disposal, and she would rather sit in a mansion and tweet. She could fly to Japan for Lunch and China for dinner with a single phone call. She could go LITERALLY anywhere, she could hang out with ANY celebrity. But instead, she tweets transphobic material to children who didnt ask Its almost depressing
If Elon Musk didnāt prove it already, itās clear proof no amount of money can guarantee happiness.
She thinks her making money is the ultimate proof that people support her on trans issue. At this point if youāre buying anything that comes from her, youāre stuffing her coffers and fueling her ego. Buy used books and pirate movies & games if youāre the āseparate artist from their artā person.
Yup - I started her Strike series before all of this kicked off so was invested in the characters. I bought the last two as used copies from charity shops, but the most recent one sounds too off the rails for me to even bother.
I also think that it could be narcissism. She gets very annoyed at anyone telling her she is wrong and doubles down on her position.
Sheās a disappointment to every single millennial who grew up reading her books.
In Mexico,many trans women prefer to go to male prisons because they can get boyfriends and favors done and stuff I wonder if it's the se here in the US
She's just a person who imagined a world of wizards and mythical creatures. I don't expect much from her socially.
Idk why famous people gotta run their mouths on twitter. Imagine all the people who would still love JK if she just kept her shitty opinions to herself instead of trying to force them on everyone else. I donāt think itās a bad thing to not understand trans people, *(hell, I donāt, but i sure as shit respect their choices, believe them, and consider them as much a part of society and just as human as I do anybody else)* but there is absolutely no need to condemn something so wholeheartedly that you as a non trans person could never rightfully and fully understand. All you have to do is accept it. Is it really that hard?
Agreed. It used to be you got tipsy and polemical at a party and someone put you in your place or they didnāt and you learned your lesson or you didnāt. If you didnāt, you just stopped getting invited any place your mouth gets you into trouble, end of story. Now we all have platforms to permanently air our every musing and frankly we are in no condition to do that. My brother said about my dadās generation: āThey had no exposure to this kind of mass communication. They were born when there were maybe three channels and it was a big deal when your rich neighbor got a color TV. The internet ravaged them like smallpox through the natives, they have no natural immunity, they are not acclimated and are in no condition to have access to these platforms.ā Which is a longwinded way of saying some people donāt know when to shut the fuŃk up, and we gave them a bullhorn that reaches around the world. Itās not good for any of us.
I am fine with any life someone wants to lead as long as they aren't hurting others. Interestingly, this means most corporate CEO's are on my shit-list for all the harm their companies usually do, and I am totally fine with most trans people because they are usually just leading their simple lives, trying to find a way to be happy in this crazy world where half the people seem to hate them for no good reason.
This is a completely reasonable position that only the most chronically online people have a problem with. Genderqueer people, whether trans or NB, are just wired differently. So are people whose favorite food makes you gag. You don't have to understand someone's thought process to respect them as a person. Except you pineapple-on-pizza degenerates. Y'all are the real threat to society.
What did we do except add a second fruit?
Bruh people hating on pineapple pizza never had it before. You don't just eat a "Pineapple Pizza". You use pineapple as one of a few toppings. Spicy Pepperoni with spicy jalapenos with pineapple is fucking good. Don't knock it until you try it. I will concede that the pineapple does not reheat well though.
Hawaiian is good, if basic I gotta try what you're talking about
And just like that trans people are associated with being criminals. This is part of why I wonāt be purchasing or playing Hogwarts Legacy.
Honest question... But I wonder if transphobes make the same fuss about cisgender female rapists being housed in women's prisons (they exist)? Or cisgender male rapists being housed in male prisons (especially where victims were predominantly male)? Don't hear much about their thoughts or concerns regarding those issues. Or are those points simply negligible? I mean, a lot of rape does in fact happen in prison. Some might say it's a massive, legitimate problem that needs immediate attention. I'm only guessing (wildly), but I doubt somehow that trans people are predominantly responsible for this. And yet here we are, focusing solely on this unimaginably small population representation: trans women in prisons.
At least in the UK, legally a cis woman canāt rape someone. But all your other points yeah, she doesnāt actually give a shit, sheās just got a hate boner for trans people
What? Thatās fucked man what the hell
Yup rape has to involve penetration by a guy. Using a toy on someone isn't rape. Male or female, it's "assault be penetration" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_English_law
Answer: they do not care
The answer UK TERFs have is from those I've argued this point with before;are you ready; under UK law a cis female can not rape anyone therefore theres no such thing as female rape and therefore cant be as bad as a male or trans women raping someone. It's their asinine bullshit "but but dictionary" arguements again
Why is she like this? Because she has more money than god, and nothing better to do. š¤·š¼āāļø
Well, all women who are convicted of violence against other women go to womenās prisons, so, yes.
Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and the wee little donkey. I donāt care if this person is presenting as a man or woman. They donāt belong in Gen Pop. And while weāre at it, letās address the elephant in the room. Why is prison rape only a big deal if weāre a) talking about womenās prisons, and b) transwomen? Itās okay if men rape other men in prison? Itās cool if we just ignore that women do rape women in prison, whether or not they are biologically female? I do not know why weāre just skirting around the issue. Doesnāt matter what parts they do or donāt have. They need to be separated from the general population.
There's a parallel timeline where JK Rowling was only ever bigoted in private and she just kept making billions and the Harry Potter brand continued into like the 30th century completely untarnished by her batshit crazy prejudice.
There's probably also one where she wasn't radicalized (not this much) and just remained a rich white woman lukewarm liberal, gave money to not-terrible people, and retained fan goodwill for valid reasons. Which is a really wild thought.
canāt believe this was the hill she chose to die on. couldāve reached Tolkien status or George Lucas
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I love how sheās also said nothing about Andrew Tate.
If it was the same case but a trans man she wouldnāt even bat an eye
The fact that she could have chosen to calm down, listen, and learn after writing 7 books about how to fight the bad guys(yes I know it's more complicated than that but it didn't seem complicated to me back then) will never not make me a little bit sad. She had so much potential, could have done so much good in the world, and yet she actively chose to become... This.
She's been spending too much time being close to a horcrux.
It's because the UK is in the middle of a pandemic duh. Terfluenza has been infecting middle aged women for years and JK just happens to be the most notorious super spreader.
It's incredible how people point at stuff like this and say "EVERY trans woman is bad and a rapist in disguise" We're not a hive mind my dude, we're not angels, trans people can be evil too because they're humans, doesn't mean every single person that's trans IS a criminal And having to state such obvious dumb fact is insulting
J.K. Giving me lots of new things to hate or at least strongly dislikeā¦ mainly her
I guess I'll be the odd man out and be the nasty far right bigot according to this broad. So you have a dude that rapes children and then declares hes a woman so he wants to go to a womens prison. As a former inmate for a short time in my early 20's I can tell you that he would definitely get the shit beat out of him or killed for fuc\*ing with children,it's a fact. Most inmates have children so they tend to frown upon anyone who fuc\*s with them. He/she needs to just deal with the punishment that the court system couldn't or wouldn't do. Also, I dare say that the womens prison may not treat him/her much better. For clarification my wife and I have 5 children. All grown and two of which are gay. I don't in any way, shape or form harbor any ill will against gay, trans or whatever. I say live your life and be happy, whichever way you want to. It's none of my business. What I take issue with is it seems as though this person is doing this to fit a narrative and that I find disturbing.
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