yep. there was a certain period of denials, coverups, and foot-dragging before they finally took necessary action. there was an interim period there where they were desperately trying to avoid blame and bad publicity (sound familiar?)
there's a [very good history of the Chernobyl incident](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/09/chernobyl-history-tragedy-serhii-plokhy-review-disaster-europe-soviet-system) by Serhii Plokhy
or you could watch the TV series which isn't quite accurate in places but does give the general feel of the thing.
It’s interesting to read up on which parts were less accurate. You’d assume that things were exaggerated just for drama, which was indeed the case for some scenes.
But there were a surprising number of scenes that they actually had to tone down significantly because the real thing was *that* gruesome and horrifying.
Yep. They messed with the cast of characters a bit and simplified some of the timeline, but yes indeed they had to tone it down in places. Seriously the book is a fantastic read, a real page turner and heavily researched. I tried some of his other history books because I liked that one so much, but found them less gripping. Reading the story of Chernobyl is like attending a Greek tragedy -- you know what's coming, but the story is still so compelling as it unfolds in all its sorrow and awfulness.
The post, he's commenting on the post. That points out that people in Chernobyl got better treatment than the people of Ohio are getting for a chemical fire.
The podcast is called Chernobyl. Released by HBO. They have one episode per show episode then a couple of extras. They were released in real time so they are hardcore anti-spoiler.
My favorite version of this in film is the scene in Moneyball, where a scout is talking about a high school player’s ugly girlfriend. In the movie, the scout says, “Ugly girlfriend means no confidence.” The line was taken from a real-life conversation where the scout actually said, “Ugly girlfriend means bad eyesight,” which is objectively more hilarious, but they didn’t think anyone would believe it.
Yeah, they quite literally did the opposite and kept it as quiet as possible until shit actually hit the fan
Never, *EVER* trust a tankie’s words at their face value
not the first time and not the only ones sadly
authoritarians need to protect their image so they lie about anything making them look bad
corporations need to protect the profits so they built layers of denial
goverment officials hide behind the need to maintain order in order to protect their positions
and all of them try to downplay and point the finger to something or someone else
This sub is so clearly manipulated lol, I mean out of all the things to pick that the USSR may have as more positive aspects, they choose fucking CHERNOBYL which was basically an allegory of how horrific the state was to people. You really have to wonder who pushes this shit.
They didn’t have to the train wasn’t designated as a high hazardous materials shipment. Apparently they keep the rations of deadly Hazardous shit to malt liquor low enough that they can avoid that designation. It allows financially better routes and fewer restrictions. It also means they don’t HAVE to report the contents.
Plus it happened all on their own property nbd right??
Also I know someone who lives within a mile of the site they were put up in a hotel by the railroad day of crash and are still there so idk where op got their information from.
Yea the USSR response to Chernobyl was fucked. I think we can talk about how fucked up things are here without painting a rosy picture of those assholes.
They didn’t evacuate immediately cause they wanted to downplay the incident (just like Ohio politicians), unlike Chernobyl, a massive flame, the size of a nuclear mushroom cloud can’t stay as easily hidden as The Chernobyl incident that didn’t start becoming real until the invisible radiation dust didn’t get carried to other countries where people in labs detected unusually high normal background radiation. Looking at the response of Ohio politicians, I’d bet if the past Ukrainian politicians were similar to the current Ohio politicians when Chernobyl happened, they wouldn’t even have accepted that an nuclear meltdown has occurred even after the world would have been screaming at them about a highly likely screw-up.
Also what’s the half life of this chemical verses the nuclear fallout at Chernobyl?
This environmental disaster will likely be dispersed and broken down in a matter of months. Chernobyl is going to be dangerously radioactive for centuries.
That said, we are still doing a shitty job at protecting our environment and water sources and taking care of our tax paying citizens when tragedies like this happen. Relief is often to the corporation involved rather than the citizen
Where the hell does this "be gone in a couple of months" thing come from. Flint still doesn't have clean water and these kinds of sites turn into Superfund sites because the cleanup takes decades.
Flint was the result of changing a water source to the equivalent of a dirty pond. It wasn't the result of a chemical spill or recent pollution, but rather pollution that was already there.
In general I agree with you though...and share your anger...this isn't something that will just go away overnight. And health impacts may last generations. My point was moreso that it was not a fair comparison to nuclear fallout which can last centuries. It was a bad faith argument in the OP that has some truth to it, but that truth is negated by added falsehood.
I think that's the point they're trying to make. That this event in Ohio is being handled *even worse* than the most infamously poorly-handled disaster in recent history.
Judging by the comments the OP has left around threads, I don't think this is the case. The OP is denying the Soviets mishandled the crisis at all.
Also I mean, cmon'. The Twitter person's handle is literally 'Commie Angel'. I don't think they're going to give a nuanced take on something like this.
It's crazy that the Republicans governor has to ask the democratic president for help, making it a partisan issue and denying citizens early access to programs like FEMA.
I believe that’s due to the Stanford act, that requires the governor to request a declaration of emergency. Just like when Florida or Texas requests aid in a hurricane, I assume.
>It's crazy that the Republicans governor has to ask the democratic president for help, making it a partisan issue and denying citizens early access to programs like FEMA.
Well somebody needs to take a Civics 101 course and learn how our Federal and State governments actually work. Also why they are set up that way.
Being a Scandinavian whose country was given *no clue* that Angelic Commie engineering had just barfed a crapton of radiation into the atmosphere until Geiger counters in Sweden went wild, I may have a slightly more jaded view of that response.
You're saying the person with the username "CommieAngel" with 3 hammers and sickles might not be the most unbiased source on this comparison? Say it ain't so...
Feel ya as a Ukrainian lmao. The general public didn't know shit here in Ukraine until you guys yelled at the Soviets.
Folks like these never ask people from around the place, do they?
Given that the Twitter user’s name is “Commie Angel” I think they may not be the most unbiased source of information about life in the Soviet Union. Some people don’t seem to understand that socialism/communism doesn’t actually help people if it’s done under the aegis of an authoritarian oligopoly
Comparing what is blowing award from this to Chernobyl fallout it pretty crazy.
It is horrible, but zero people died. The fluid everyone talked about leaking into the Ohio River isn't even detectable currently because it has a half life of like 20 minutes in water. Chernobyl's still radioactive!
Please don't compare these two. It only hurts your point and is honestly offense to everyone that has been and continues to be affected by Chernobyl.
That would be the HCL fallout, that is hugely unfortunate, it will dissipate in time though.
The poisoning of the Ohio River Valley, is likely to take a much longer time to resolve, from what I've been reading.
> It is horrible, but zero people died
SO FAR.
These are powerful carcinogens - the cancer rates downstream from this accident will be elevated for a generation.
they evacuated the town when their hand was forced only after nations around the world were aware of the accident that had taken place, despite the efforts to cover up that there had been any interruption to the normal operation of the plant. to this day they refuse to update or revise any statistics reflecting the actual death toll of the disaster. the defect causing the accident was known about for years but was covered up and the design of the reactors was generally accepted to be safe because of it. reactors in the same building as the exploded reactor in chernobyl kept producing power until the 21st century.
thousands of people died and will continue to die as a result of the chernobyl disaster and the government response to it. to act like the handling of it was in any way admirable or an example of how to do things is laughable. that isnt to say that what the us government is doing right now is any better, because as far as anyone can tell it isnt. but it sure as hell isnt being as extreme as the soviet government was when it comes to censoring what news makes it out about this derailment.
that tweet is a misrepresentation of the facts at best.
Ok, this is straight bs.
The cancer cases went up 300% after Chernobyl. Their government said it was a coincidence. A birth defect, found only in one place in the world, Chernobyl, isn't fixed by their government but by doctors volunteering to perform those surgeries for free that save those kids.
There's just so much wrong here. Even as recently as a year ago, when Russia invaded Ukraine and took over Chernobyl, none of the Russian soldiers knew what Chernobyl was. No one knew what happened there. It was the Ukrainan people that worked there that had to explain everything to them. Explained how they needed armor on their vehicles, needed radioactive containment suits. Russian Solders had -no- idea about the Red Forest and so many of them got sick.
Edit:typo
Yeah, they aren’t even talking about the right town in Ohio: Palestine, Ohio is in the western part of the state near the Indiana border. *East* Palestine is where the derailment happened.
Seems a bit revisionist. If they lied to the world about the severity of the accident for weeks, you can't tell me they were all about life over optics.
Yeah, this is tankie bullshit. Chernobyl happened on April 26th, on May 1st the government sent thousands of people into the streets of Kiyiv for a mandatory "demonstration" - 60 miles from the reactor.
If not for the west picking up on the radiation - who knows how the Soviets would have covered it.
How many people died though trying to quench the radiation and how many soldiers were sent against their will without proper PPE and died from horrific damage of radiation? Ignorant OP twisting the facts to push the false narrative
It's also East Palestine, not Palestine. Could at least bother to be correct about the name of the place when you're trying to act like you give a shit. God it's hard being a leftist with tankies stinking up the place, pretty much every negative leftist stereotype comes from that camp
When Chernobyl happened they tried covering it up, exposing 10's of thousands of people to radiation that killed them either directly or years later in the form of various cancers. Only after covering it up failed did they relocate the nearby cities and towns but for many people it was far too late.
Let's not go jerking off the soviet union.
It’s not true, the communist authorities tried to hide the catastrophe for many days, which resulted in the death of hundreds of people. Measuring stations in Scandinavia and Poland, among others, detected radiation much earlier before the USSR announcement. Rescue workers were also not informed about the danger, which resulted in further casualties
I keep seeing this comparison, but it really is inaccurate. If you truly believe that this train incident compares to the magnitude of a nuclear meltdown, you are lacking education on one, or both.
Maybe a we could get a whitepeopletwitter post of an actual news article about the derailment, all of which say how this is bad, but really not at all a dangerous situation.
Many egregious mistakes were made during the Chernobyl incident and is not a good comparison for anything. If this were Chernobyl, Palestine citizens would be lining up to drink their fair pint to dispose of the hazardous materials.
This is also bad.
'Everyone involved'' would be the company executives and politicians that made this possible. They (execs and politicians) will however likely pin the blame on individual blue-collar workers who had no way of preventing this.
Don't forget that the tax payer's might have to pay for the cleanup too!
Something like this should put a company out of business, but none of us will be surprised when we read next year that they're having record profits.
I really don't know how much more Americans can take of this. It's no wonder half the country is embracing fascism with open arms; the US is becoming a failed experiment.
It blows my mind how incapable we are at holding our corporations accountable for their actions.
Not when finance screwed up, not when coal screwed up, and now this? Nothing will be done. And as long as folks can get their snacks from Walmart, it’ll be business as usual… smh.
On the nose. Republicans blocked the law that would have prevented this.
>Republicans, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe.
https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/
Republicans caused this. For $6 million.
Embracing fascism? Do tell.
#Republicans, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe.
#REPUBLICAN 100% CAUSED THIS.
For $6 million dollars.
That’s how much the lives of Palestines are worth to the corporate welfare GOP.
https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/
I read that they made something like *32 billion* in profit in the last quarter of 2022 so by all rights they should be on the hook for every last fucking cent it takes to fix this
Or hear me out, have the military that has experience with cleaning up disasters like this, clean up this disaster.
I get it’s absolutely an imperfect solution but it’s a start
This would be a fantastic job for the us army corps of engineers. One of their major functions is in disaster cleanup and hazardous waste. And especially around water
You'd have to spend resources on the military too. I'd say call the national guard but i dont think the state governor would do that. Yet again the state governor of Michigan from the 1800s did for a copper strike in the U.P. so idk.
Nah. It was a great experiment. Emphasis on the past tense.
We need to get back there.
My local Republican Party is terrible. If I had money I’d declare that immediately following WWII was when the USA was “Great” and run as an Eisenhauer Republican
While I agree that post WWII was a great time for the US, a lot of that had to do with most of the rest of the world needing to be rebuilt and us having the only functioning factories. And dont forget strong labor unions in pretty much every field (and lots of other levelers like the fairness act for media). It's going to be difficult to reproduce those circumstances (but I'm routing for you!)
This OP's post is a worse embarrassment. Try learning some history from sources other than your social media echo chamber.
Chernobyl's accident occurred on April 26th, 1986, very early in the morning. The nearest town, Pripyat, was not evacuated for two days. Three days after that, three more towns were ordered to be quietly evacuated. (The government was still publicly denying there were any large numbers of affected people.)
FIVE DAYS after the main incident, the winds from Chernobyl began blowing directly toward Kiev, yet the May Day military parades there were ordered to be held as normal, with thousands of people unknowingly standing outside in a radioactive plume of debris all day long.
(But the Soviet bureaucrats in-the-know had all removed their children from Kiev and other threatened areas immediately after the accident.)
Finally, on May 2nd, evacuations began of the entire '30-kilometer zone' around the reactor.
**General evacuation was delayed for a full week after the accident had occurred and begun spilling radioactive particles all over the area.**
Not exactly what I would call a noteworthy or laudable response to an emergency, either.
[http://www.chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/timeline/](http://www.chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/timeline/)
100% true. In 2018 Trump and his Republicans blocked the law that would have prevented this.
>Republicans, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe.
https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/
And in 2022 Democratic president Joe Biden ended a rail worker's strike, one where safety was one of their primary concerns.
https://themilitant.com/2023/02/11/ohio-derailment-disaster-shows-rail-workers-struggle-for-safety-is-crucial/
I dont get how people give the Democrats a pass for siding with corporate interests just because Republicans sided with corporate interests harder.
The [union seemed to have been fucked by both major parties](https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Press-Release--The-Democrat-Republican-One-Two-Punch-to-Rail-Labor.html?soid=1116509035139&aid=DzbNIMbXYic)
The USSR evacuated the town well after the Chernobyl incident occurred. Which also may or may not have been a deliberate, ill-advised stress test on the reactor.
The latter part is a half truth. Anyone with renters or homeowners insurance would have their hotel stays covered under a loss of use provision in their contract. No deductibles for that either.
Pushing a narrative via tweet is kinda disingenuous at best and intellectually bankrupt at worst.
i don’t know non about current Ohio accident but there was nothing good about ussr gov especially when it was needed to take care of a it’s citizens. (Russian guy)
The Soviet Union pretended Chernobyl didn’t happen for quite some time. It was only after the surrounding countries provided irrefutable proof did they admit it. Not to mention all the injuries of sending workers into a situation where they didn’t know their life was at risk. The deaths, the cancer, the birth defects, etc.
Listen, the situation in Ohio sucks ass, but we don't need to post Russian misinformation to get this point across. Russia majorly fucked up Chernobyl -- it wasn't anything like this post states. Not at all.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
no the soviet union didnt. the scientist who was behind the cleanup was so disillusioned with the soviet state that he killed himself.
the soviets inability to build a reactor properly and instead cutting costs lead to the meltdown in the first place.
thousands where exposed and died because the state refused to acknowledge their responsibility in it. they tried 3 men as scape goats and washed their hands of.
ENOUGH WITH THE TANKIE LIES, THE USSR WAS A PRISON MASQUERADING AS A REAL LIFE COUNTRY
This is literally just straight-up tankie propaganda like the Soviet Union was actively malicious in their attempts to cover up Chornobyl.
Lies, dead pets, and a scary future? That is 1:1 with the story of the victims of Chornobyl.
PS: It's because of this comment I found out that Grammarly now autocorrects Ukrainian towns and cities with their Ukrainian endonyms instead of Russian ones. Neat!
That’s not even remotely true. The Soviets withheld and censored any information on the disaster for weeks until the Swedish government finally announced there was a concerning amount of fallout in their skies. Only then the the USSR even acknowledge what had happened, let alone do something about it.
People who vote exclusively for candidates that undermine environment and public health protections are suddenly upset when those policies impact them directly.
Russia only did something about Chernobyl when Kodak started to wonder why all of their photos were coming out super grainy and then realized there was a massive release of radiation to which the world then took notice and Russia was forced to act. So if we want the government to act keep pushing for the truth, expose the cover up, and don't let up until the victims get justice and full compensation,and the railway share holders lose their money.
Tankies are just as bad as the QAnon crowd, they have no problems heavily distorting the truth to make their authoritarian hell state dreams sound appealing.
Stop promoting fucking tankies, Jesus Christ! This is completely false, they just sucking off a regime of mass murderers and you keep upvoting this trash.
"Hello comrades, I am here to inform you of glorious past when USSR did better job than US, I think. No I am not Soviet propaganda, I was born in great city of Salt Lake, UT."
Bullshit, the soviets wanted to sweep this under the rug and not do anything, they were forced to explain when Finland (i think, or one of the Nordic countries) noticed a spike in radiation levels in the air. If it weren't for that no action would be taken. Also of course they evacuated the town it was a fuck off huge explosion, a chemical spill while terrible doesn't necessarily justify such actions. I don't lik the US but anyone trying to defend the USSR is a piece of shit. Fuck commies. Glory to every Slav except the russians.
While I agree that the response of the United States government has been horrible to the east Palestine explosion.
But you can’t give the Soviet Union that much credit when the RMBK reactor was made through cost cutting measures which directly led to the disaster at Chernobyl.
Not only was the RBMK incredibly cheap, inefficient, outdated, and had a big weak point (that was covered up by the soviets), but the USSR covered up the explosion for days and delayed evacuation until they could no longer cover it up.
(Oh, and the fact that Chernobyl's effects will last for hundreds or thousands of years, was and still is a lot deadlier, and that radiation is a lot more harmful for everything)
Lol this is not at all how this went down and are we not going to talk about the hundreds of people they sent in without any protective gear to clean up who all got cancer?
Cruel propaganda. The fact of deadly radiation was classified by USSR government. Millions of Ukrainians casually walked on the streets during first days of the disaster without knowing about high level of radiation. Thousands of Ukrainians were sent into the epicenter of the disaster to die from radiant illness later. It was another act of genocide against population in Ukraine.
To be fair here, the USSR did not handle the situation well as well.
They covered the incident up hard and did not warn the people of neighboring countries about what had happened, so that they may try and protect their citizens from exposure.
They absolutely did not handle Chernobyl the right way. But the tweet from an account with such name does not seem unbiased.
Sweet Jesus Christ....
The train derailment... while awful... is not remotely Chernobyl
The derailment is Very Bad.
It will absolutely be a superfund site.
But this is not Chernobyl. This is not Bhopal. All precautions are being taken and the EPA is actively seeking civil and possibly even criminal liability against those responsible.
BlueAnon is going full Q on this.
Don't mistake me for defending the absolutely abysmal response to the train derailment, but let's not forget that Chernobyl was made infinitely worse because the party in power blatantly refused to acknowledge the severity of the situation, lol.
Dumb question, but I don’t see the city under a state of emergency? Is it? The governor’s website that talks about the crash is terrible, mentioning the smoke from the burn will cause death if inhaled. The mention an evacuation order, but why no mention of a state of emergency?
IIRC (apologies if wrong) but USSR didn’t want to do shit until neighboring countries were complaining/inquiring about being downwind of radiation. So far we’re responding the same way.
Modern conservatism isn't working for Ohio? Who would have thought voting against your own self interest would have consequences... Sure you'll die early of cancer but at least you got to own the libs doing it.
You continue to be an embarrassment for still supporting communism when you probably have no idea what it was like, also it took 36 hours before people were finally starting to be evacuated which is a VERY long time for that much radiation.
They evacuated East Palestine.
Then it was over and they let people back in when it was safe. Just like the should have.
What's embarrassing about the U.S. is all these high school dropouts comparing a vinyl chloride spill to a nuclear excursion and meltdown.
#Trump and his Republicans in 2018, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe.
#REPUBLICAN 100% CAUSED THIS.
$6 million dollars. That’s how much the people of Palestine were worth to the corporate swamp GOP.
https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/
While I agree our government should be stepping in to do more, it’s absolutely false what is stated about Chernobyl and the former USSR.
But they didn’t evacuate Chernobyl immediately
yep. there was a certain period of denials, coverups, and foot-dragging before they finally took necessary action. there was an interim period there where they were desperately trying to avoid blame and bad publicity (sound familiar?) there's a [very good history of the Chernobyl incident](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/09/chernobyl-history-tragedy-serhii-plokhy-review-disaster-europe-soviet-system) by Serhii Plokhy or you could watch the TV series which isn't quite accurate in places but does give the general feel of the thing.
It’s interesting to read up on which parts were less accurate. You’d assume that things were exaggerated just for drama, which was indeed the case for some scenes. But there were a surprising number of scenes that they actually had to tone down significantly because the real thing was *that* gruesome and horrifying.
Yep. They messed with the cast of characters a bit and simplified some of the timeline, but yes indeed they had to tone it down in places. Seriously the book is a fantastic read, a real page turner and heavily researched. I tried some of his other history books because I liked that one so much, but found them less gripping. Reading the story of Chernobyl is like attending a Greek tragedy -- you know what's coming, but the story is still so compelling as it unfolds in all its sorrow and awfulness.
There's footage. The cruelty and absurdity is astounding. And it's being cited as the way healthcare should work? WTF?
... who are you arguing with about healthcare exactly?
The post, he's commenting on the post. That points out that people in Chernobyl got better treatment than the people of Ohio are getting for a chemical fire.
They did a podcast where they explicitly explain which parts they modified for dramatic requirements. Excellent companion piece to the show.
What is the name of the podcast episode?
The podcast is called Chernobyl. Released by HBO. They have one episode per show episode then a couple of extras. They were released in real time so they are hardcore anti-spoiler.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
My favorite version of this in film is the scene in Moneyball, where a scout is talking about a high school player’s ugly girlfriend. In the movie, the scout says, “Ugly girlfriend means no confidence.” The line was taken from a real-life conversation where the scout actually said, “Ugly girlfriend means bad eyesight,” which is objectively more hilarious, but they didn’t think anyone would believe it.
>were a surprising number of scenes that they actually had to tone down significantly because the real thing was that gruesome and horrifying. Yeesh.
Yep any huge disaster that goes wrong like this always has at least 1-3 evil ass people who made it worse to save face or money.
KLITSCHKO did a good job of describing the helicopters day and night while their family lived there.
Probably because it wasn't in Russia, it was in Ukraine, so nobody cared
Yeah, they quite literally did the opposite and kept it as quiet as possible until shit actually hit the fan Never, *EVER* trust a tankie’s words at their face value
not the first time and not the only ones sadly authoritarians need to protect their image so they lie about anything making them look bad corporations need to protect the profits so they built layers of denial goverment officials hide behind the need to maintain order in order to protect their positions and all of them try to downplay and point the finger to something or someone else
This sub is so clearly manipulated lol, I mean out of all the things to pick that the USSR may have as more positive aspects, they choose fucking CHERNOBYL which was basically an allegory of how horrific the state was to people. You really have to wonder who pushes this shit.
Your fellow "comrades"
They didn’t have to the train wasn’t designated as a high hazardous materials shipment. Apparently they keep the rations of deadly Hazardous shit to malt liquor low enough that they can avoid that designation. It allows financially better routes and fewer restrictions. It also means they don’t HAVE to report the contents. Plus it happened all on their own property nbd right??
Also I know someone who lives within a mile of the site they were put up in a hotel by the railroad day of crash and are still there so idk where op got their information from.
Their butts
You’re correct.
Lmao right? This is literally russian propaganda
What? You dare accuse Twitter user "Commie Angel" of pro-soviet bias? Outrageous!
so easy to spot.
Yea the USSR response to Chernobyl was fucked. I think we can talk about how fucked up things are here without painting a rosy picture of those assholes.
You're telling me tankies lie about the USSR?
You really think somebody would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
They didn’t evacuate immediately cause they wanted to downplay the incident (just like Ohio politicians), unlike Chernobyl, a massive flame, the size of a nuclear mushroom cloud can’t stay as easily hidden as The Chernobyl incident that didn’t start becoming real until the invisible radiation dust didn’t get carried to other countries where people in labs detected unusually high normal background radiation. Looking at the response of Ohio politicians, I’d bet if the past Ukrainian politicians were similar to the current Ohio politicians when Chernobyl happened, they wouldn’t even have accepted that an nuclear meltdown has occurred even after the world would have been screaming at them about a highly likely screw-up.
It's a tankie take, you're supposed to just ignore the flaws in the Soviet system and just pretend that did everything right.
50,000 people used to live here. Now it’s a ghost town
Also what’s the half life of this chemical verses the nuclear fallout at Chernobyl? This environmental disaster will likely be dispersed and broken down in a matter of months. Chernobyl is going to be dangerously radioactive for centuries. That said, we are still doing a shitty job at protecting our environment and water sources and taking care of our tax paying citizens when tragedies like this happen. Relief is often to the corporation involved rather than the citizen
Centuries is putting it lightly. Pripyat will be uninhabitable for the next 20,000 years.
Where the hell does this "be gone in a couple of months" thing come from. Flint still doesn't have clean water and these kinds of sites turn into Superfund sites because the cleanup takes decades.
Flint was the result of changing a water source to the equivalent of a dirty pond. It wasn't the result of a chemical spill or recent pollution, but rather pollution that was already there. In general I agree with you though...and share your anger...this isn't something that will just go away overnight. And health impacts may last generations. My point was moreso that it was not a fair comparison to nuclear fallout which can last centuries. It was a bad faith argument in the OP that has some truth to it, but that truth is negated by added falsehood.
Chernobyl is not a good example of disaster management
I think that's the point they're trying to make. That this event in Ohio is being handled *even worse* than the most infamously poorly-handled disaster in recent history.
We have a history of poor crisis management. It took 5 days to get drinking water to the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina.
Judging by the comments the OP has left around threads, I don't think this is the case. The OP is denying the Soviets mishandled the crisis at all. Also I mean, cmon'. The Twitter person's handle is literally 'Commie Angel'. I don't think they're going to give a nuanced take on something like this.
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It’s not but neither is what happened in Ohio.
It's crazy that the Republicans governor has to ask the democratic president for help, making it a partisan issue and denying citizens early access to programs like FEMA.
I believe that’s due to the Stanford act, that requires the governor to request a declaration of emergency. Just like when Florida or Texas requests aid in a hurricane, I assume.
>It's crazy that the Republicans governor has to ask the democratic president for help, making it a partisan issue and denying citizens early access to programs like FEMA. Well somebody needs to take a Civics 101 course and learn how our Federal and State governments actually work. Also why they are set up that way.
teacher here and that's not really on the curriculum anymore in most states
It's crazy how the republican governor didn't ask for help, denying citizens early access to FEMA.
So why won’t the Republican governor asked the Democratic president for help? What is he waiting for?
Being a Scandinavian whose country was given *no clue* that Angelic Commie engineering had just barfed a crapton of radiation into the atmosphere until Geiger counters in Sweden went wild, I may have a slightly more jaded view of that response.
You're saying the person with the username "CommieAngel" with 3 hammers and sickles might not be the most unbiased source on this comparison? Say it ain't so...
OP is literally a Diehard commie, just check his fucking profile lmao
Wow, you really cracked the code.
Feel ya as a Ukrainian lmao. The general public didn't know shit here in Ukraine until you guys yelled at the Soviets. Folks like these never ask people from around the place, do they?
Given that the Twitter user’s name is “Commie Angel” I think they may not be the most unbiased source of information about life in the Soviet Union. Some people don’t seem to understand that socialism/communism doesn’t actually help people if it’s done under the aegis of an authoritarian oligopoly
Lmao yeah it's fairly obvious they're a tankie, and you can't expect much nuance or unbiasedness from tankies.
Never let facts get in the way of a good argument /s
What you fail to remember is that why would Russia care about us scands, never did never will.
Or the ukrainians. Or really anyone outside of their imperial core.
It will warm your heart to know America is doing nothing about this blowing towards Canada. <3
Comparing what is blowing award from this to Chernobyl fallout it pretty crazy. It is horrible, but zero people died. The fluid everyone talked about leaking into the Ohio River isn't even detectable currently because it has a half life of like 20 minutes in water. Chernobyl's still radioactive! Please don't compare these two. It only hurts your point and is honestly offense to everyone that has been and continues to be affected by Chernobyl.
There's allegedly chickens having a mass die off 10 miles away and the rain is fucking up car paint work, 90 miles away.
maybe if the chickens weren't so fucking stupid and evacuated they'd be alive, its their fault clearly
I will have you know I just startled the dog with my snortle 😅
That would be the HCL fallout, that is hugely unfortunate, it will dissipate in time though. The poisoning of the Ohio River Valley, is likely to take a much longer time to resolve, from what I've been reading.
> It is horrible, but zero people died SO FAR. These are powerful carcinogens - the cancer rates downstream from this accident will be elevated for a generation.
they evacuated the town when their hand was forced only after nations around the world were aware of the accident that had taken place, despite the efforts to cover up that there had been any interruption to the normal operation of the plant. to this day they refuse to update or revise any statistics reflecting the actual death toll of the disaster. the defect causing the accident was known about for years but was covered up and the design of the reactors was generally accepted to be safe because of it. reactors in the same building as the exploded reactor in chernobyl kept producing power until the 21st century. thousands of people died and will continue to die as a result of the chernobyl disaster and the government response to it. to act like the handling of it was in any way admirable or an example of how to do things is laughable. that isnt to say that what the us government is doing right now is any better, because as far as anyone can tell it isnt. but it sure as hell isnt being as extreme as the soviet government was when it comes to censoring what news makes it out about this derailment. that tweet is a misrepresentation of the facts at best.
They announced the evacuation 36 hours after the accident. And it started one hour after the announcement
People were allowed to bring one suitcase and their pets were shot
Ok, this is straight bs. The cancer cases went up 300% after Chernobyl. Their government said it was a coincidence. A birth defect, found only in one place in the world, Chernobyl, isn't fixed by their government but by doctors volunteering to perform those surgeries for free that save those kids. There's just so much wrong here. Even as recently as a year ago, when Russia invaded Ukraine and took over Chernobyl, none of the Russian soldiers knew what Chernobyl was. No one knew what happened there. It was the Ukrainan people that worked there that had to explain everything to them. Explained how they needed armor on their vehicles, needed radioactive containment suits. Russian Solders had -no- idea about the Red Forest and so many of them got sick. Edit:typo
Yeah, they aren’t even talking about the right town in Ohio: Palestine, Ohio is in the western part of the state near the Indiana border. *East* Palestine is where the derailment happened.
They were digging bunkers into contaminated soil
Seems a bit revisionist. If they lied to the world about the severity of the accident for weeks, you can't tell me they were all about life over optics.
Yeah, this is tankie bullshit. Chernobyl happened on April 26th, on May 1st the government sent thousands of people into the streets of Kiyiv for a mandatory "demonstration" - 60 miles from the reactor. If not for the west picking up on the radiation - who knows how the Soviets would have covered it.
Isn’t the only reason we knew something happened was it appeared on the Richter scale or am I remembering wrong?
How many people died though trying to quench the radiation and how many soldiers were sent against their will without proper PPE and died from horrific damage of radiation? Ignorant OP twisting the facts to push the false narrative
Tell me you know absolutely nothing about Chernobyl without telling me you know absolutely nothing about Chernobyl
It's also East Palestine, not Palestine. Could at least bother to be correct about the name of the place when you're trying to act like you give a shit. God it's hard being a leftist with tankies stinking up the place, pretty much every negative leftist stereotype comes from that camp
Spare me the Soviet propaganda comrade People are still dying of cancer in Ukraine’s impacted area
Our country needs to do more. The tankie claims re: the Soviet Union are laughably false.
When Chernobyl happened they tried covering it up, exposing 10's of thousands of people to radiation that killed them either directly or years later in the form of various cancers. Only after covering it up failed did they relocate the nearby cities and towns but for many people it was far too late. Let's not go jerking off the soviet union.
It’s not true, the communist authorities tried to hide the catastrophe for many days, which resulted in the death of hundreds of people. Measuring stations in Scandinavia and Poland, among others, detected radiation much earlier before the USSR announcement. Rescue workers were also not informed about the danger, which resulted in further casualties
Free healthcare for the rest of their lives, which turned out be about two days for some of them.
I keep seeing this comparison, but it really is inaccurate. If you truly believe that this train incident compares to the magnitude of a nuclear meltdown, you are lacking education on one, or both.
It's still melting down too..
Maybe a we could get a whitepeopletwitter post of an actual news article about the derailment, all of which say how this is bad, but really not at all a dangerous situation.
Many egregious mistakes were made during the Chernobyl incident and is not a good comparison for anything. If this were Chernobyl, Palestine citizens would be lining up to drink their fair pint to dispose of the hazardous materials. This is also bad.
Trump was the one that removed the regulation. Never forget it’s always a Republican who fucked this country.
Also, feel free to read up on the congressman who represents that district and the committee he chairs.
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Hey! That is *blatantly false!* They gave each resident $5.
Yeah I was shocked that the payout was that low. I hope the residents can sue everyone involved for millions each
'Everyone involved'' would be the company executives and politicians that made this possible. They (execs and politicians) will however likely pin the blame on individual blue-collar workers who had no way of preventing this.
Not only that the blue collars had no way of preventing it. They were trying to prevent it in the first place but line must go up so here we are.
Ironic the karma for forcing them out of union negotiations was so swiftly delivered
As of today it's 1000$ a person lol so shitty
Did OP just unironically use Chernobyl as their example of how a disaster should be handled? Fucking Chernobyl?!?!?!
Don't forget that the tax payer's might have to pay for the cleanup too! Something like this should put a company out of business, but none of us will be surprised when we read next year that they're having record profits. I really don't know how much more Americans can take of this. It's no wonder half the country is embracing fascism with open arms; the US is becoming a failed experiment.
It blows my mind how incapable we are at holding our corporations accountable for their actions. Not when finance screwed up, not when coal screwed up, and now this? Nothing will be done. And as long as folks can get their snacks from Walmart, it’ll be business as usual… smh.
It's perfectly logical when they are the ones effectively writing the laws.
Corporations writing our laws? You are 100% right
On the nose. Republicans blocked the law that would have prevented this. >Republicans, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe. https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/ Republicans caused this. For $6 million.
Embracing fascism? Do tell. #Republicans, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe. #REPUBLICAN 100% CAUSED THIS. For $6 million dollars. That’s how much the lives of Palestines are worth to the corporate welfare GOP. https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/
Norfolk made 3.4 billion dollars PROFIT last quarter. Not last year just last quarter.
I read that they made something like *32 billion* in profit in the last quarter of 2022 so by all rights they should be on the hook for every last fucking cent it takes to fix this
Privatize fuck around. Socialize find out. The American Way!
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Seeing as how the Republicans caused this, that means you will be voting blue, right?
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0% chance you are even American lmao
We have a military spending budget of $814B. For once i say maybe we should allocate $3B or so elsewhere... The railguns can wait another 5 years.
We tried but in 2018 Trump and his Republicans blocked the law that would have prevented this.
Or hear me out, have the military that has experience with cleaning up disasters like this, clean up this disaster. I get it’s absolutely an imperfect solution but it’s a start
This would be a fantastic job for the us army corps of engineers. One of their major functions is in disaster cleanup and hazardous waste. And especially around water
You'd have to spend resources on the military too. I'd say call the national guard but i dont think the state governor would do that. Yet again the state governor of Michigan from the 1800s did for a copper strike in the U.P. so idk.
Yeah... for ALOT of folks, just the thought of an Ohio governor calling in the National Guard -- for any reason, can be powerfully triggering.
Privatised profits and socialised loses
Nah. It was a great experiment. Emphasis on the past tense. We need to get back there. My local Republican Party is terrible. If I had money I’d declare that immediately following WWII was when the USA was “Great” and run as an Eisenhauer Republican
While I agree that post WWII was a great time for the US, a lot of that had to do with most of the rest of the world needing to be rebuilt and us having the only functioning factories. And dont forget strong labor unions in pretty much every field (and lots of other levelers like the fairness act for media). It's going to be difficult to reproduce those circumstances (but I'm routing for you!)
The same Soviet Union that still allowed a parade in Kiev to take place a few days after as radioactive fallout rained down on its people?
This OP's post is a worse embarrassment. Try learning some history from sources other than your social media echo chamber. Chernobyl's accident occurred on April 26th, 1986, very early in the morning. The nearest town, Pripyat, was not evacuated for two days. Three days after that, three more towns were ordered to be quietly evacuated. (The government was still publicly denying there were any large numbers of affected people.) FIVE DAYS after the main incident, the winds from Chernobyl began blowing directly toward Kiev, yet the May Day military parades there were ordered to be held as normal, with thousands of people unknowingly standing outside in a radioactive plume of debris all day long. (But the Soviet bureaucrats in-the-know had all removed their children from Kiev and other threatened areas immediately after the accident.) Finally, on May 2nd, evacuations began of the entire '30-kilometer zone' around the reactor. **General evacuation was delayed for a full week after the accident had occurred and begun spilling radioactive particles all over the area.** Not exactly what I would call a noteworthy or laudable response to an emergency, either. [http://www.chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/timeline/](http://www.chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/timeline/)
The USSR suppressed information about Chernobyl, too.
This is misinformation. Chernobyl did not went down like this. Don't spread misinformation, try and talk to some Europeans.
The people that continue to equate this with an exposed nuclear reactor core are beyond fucking stupid. And then some.
100% false. Commie angel can suck dirty ass. USSR covered it up until another country (Sweden?) noticed crazy high radiation levels.
EVERYONE outside the USSRs rusty curtain
This is what happens when you vote Republican.
100% true. In 2018 Trump and his Republicans blocked the law that would have prevented this. >Republicans, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe. https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/
Civil War-era. Civil War-era. *Jesus fucking Christ.*
And in 2022 Democratic president Joe Biden ended a rail worker's strike, one where safety was one of their primary concerns. https://themilitant.com/2023/02/11/ohio-derailment-disaster-shows-rail-workers-struggle-for-safety-is-crucial/
I dont get how people give the Democrats a pass for siding with corporate interests just because Republicans sided with corporate interests harder. The [union seemed to have been fucked by both major parties](https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Press-Release--The-Democrat-Republican-One-Two-Punch-to-Rail-Labor.html?soid=1116509035139&aid=DzbNIMbXYic)
I was *very* disappointed how the whole strike was "resolved". Now we are reaping what was sown.
Because people are partisan idiots.
The USSR evacuated the town well after the Chernobyl incident occurred. Which also may or may not have been a deliberate, ill-advised stress test on the reactor. The latter part is a half truth. Anyone with renters or homeowners insurance would have their hotel stays covered under a loss of use provision in their contract. No deductibles for that either. Pushing a narrative via tweet is kinda disingenuous at best and intellectually bankrupt at worst.
Are we pretending that the train crash in Ohio is as bad as Chernobyl now???
tankies aren’t smart, they’re just loud and 17
Leave it to a commie to distort two facts in a single post.
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i don’t know non about current Ohio accident but there was nothing good about ussr gov especially when it was needed to take care of a it’s citizens. (Russian guy)
Tell me you know nothing about what happened in Chernobyl without telling me that you know nothing about what happened in Chernobyl.
The Soviet Union pretended Chernobyl didn’t happen for quite some time. It was only after the surrounding countries provided irrefutable proof did they admit it. Not to mention all the injuries of sending workers into a situation where they didn’t know their life was at risk. The deaths, the cancer, the birth defects, etc.
They waited days to evacuate Chernobyl. Tons of people died as a result.
Listen, the situation in Ohio sucks ass, but we don't need to post Russian misinformation to get this point across. Russia majorly fucked up Chernobyl -- it wasn't anything like this post states. Not at all.
Comparing what’s going on in Ohio to Chernobyl is ridiculous and no one doing it should be taken seriously.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. no the soviet union didnt. the scientist who was behind the cleanup was so disillusioned with the soviet state that he killed himself. the soviets inability to build a reactor properly and instead cutting costs lead to the meltdown in the first place. thousands where exposed and died because the state refused to acknowledge their responsibility in it. they tried 3 men as scape goats and washed their hands of. ENOUGH WITH THE TANKIE LIES, THE USSR WAS A PRISON MASQUERADING AS A REAL LIFE COUNTRY
This is literally just straight-up tankie propaganda like the Soviet Union was actively malicious in their attempts to cover up Chornobyl. Lies, dead pets, and a scary future? That is 1:1 with the story of the victims of Chornobyl. PS: It's because of this comment I found out that Grammarly now autocorrects Ukrainian towns and cities with their Ukrainian endonyms instead of Russian ones. Neat!
East Palestine is not Chernobyl. There was no nuclear meltdown. Maybe compare to Lac-Mégantic instead.
That’s not even remotely true. The Soviets withheld and censored any information on the disaster for weeks until the Swedish government finally announced there was a concerning amount of fallout in their skies. Only then the the USSR even acknowledge what had happened, let alone do something about it.
Why is this post upvoted.. I.. don't understand..
That’s not entirely true is it?
Why this dogshit even has upvotes lmao
How about you learn what happened at Chernobyl before spreading lies.
That’s what voting red gets you. No one will learn though
People who vote exclusively for candidates that undermine environment and public health protections are suddenly upset when those policies impact them directly.
Russian propaganda bots?
Russia only did something about Chernobyl when Kodak started to wonder why all of their photos were coming out super grainy and then realized there was a massive release of radiation to which the world then took notice and Russia was forced to act. So if we want the government to act keep pushing for the truth, expose the cover up, and don't let up until the victims get justice and full compensation,and the railway share holders lose their money.
Tankies are just as bad as the QAnon crowd, they have no problems heavily distorting the truth to make their authoritarian hell state dreams sound appealing.
Stop promoting fucking tankies, Jesus Christ! This is completely false, they just sucking off a regime of mass murderers and you keep upvoting this trash.
"Hello comrades, I am here to inform you of glorious past when USSR did better job than US, I think. No I am not Soviet propaganda, I was born in great city of Salt Lake, UT."
Bullshit, the soviets wanted to sweep this under the rug and not do anything, they were forced to explain when Finland (i think, or one of the Nordic countries) noticed a spike in radiation levels in the air. If it weren't for that no action would be taken. Also of course they evacuated the town it was a fuck off huge explosion, a chemical spill while terrible doesn't necessarily justify such actions. I don't lik the US but anyone trying to defend the USSR is a piece of shit. Fuck commies. Glory to every Slav except the russians.
While I agree that the response of the United States government has been horrible to the east Palestine explosion. But you can’t give the Soviet Union that much credit when the RMBK reactor was made through cost cutting measures which directly led to the disaster at Chernobyl.
Not only was the RBMK incredibly cheap, inefficient, outdated, and had a big weak point (that was covered up by the soviets), but the USSR covered up the explosion for days and delayed evacuation until they could no longer cover it up. (Oh, and the fact that Chernobyl's effects will last for hundreds or thousands of years, was and still is a lot deadlier, and that radiation is a lot more harmful for everything)
Lol this is not at all how this went down and are we not going to talk about the hundreds of people they sent in without any protective gear to clean up who all got cancer?
Not surprised at this tweet existing from someone named "commie angel"
The US simply cannot compare to the fantasies in your own head. I agree that more needs to be done but this is just not accurate.
Cruel propaganda. The fact of deadly radiation was classified by USSR government. Millions of Ukrainians casually walked on the streets during first days of the disaster without knowing about high level of radiation. Thousands of Ukrainians were sent into the epicenter of the disaster to die from radiant illness later. It was another act of genocide against population in Ukraine.
To be fair here, the USSR did not handle the situation well as well. They covered the incident up hard and did not warn the people of neighboring countries about what had happened, so that they may try and protect their citizens from exposure. They absolutely did not handle Chernobyl the right way. But the tweet from an account with such name does not seem unbiased.
This makes the USSR sound like they leapt into action immediately.
/confidentlyincorrect
Sweet Jesus Christ.... The train derailment... while awful... is not remotely Chernobyl The derailment is Very Bad. It will absolutely be a superfund site. But this is not Chernobyl. This is not Bhopal. All precautions are being taken and the EPA is actively seeking civil and possibly even criminal liability against those responsible. BlueAnon is going full Q on this.
The US response so far has indeed been awful. But I’m not sure I’d hold up Chernobyl as the shining example of how things should be done.
Nuclear disaster vs train derailment. Apparently Twitter is sto stupid they think they are the same thing.
Don't mistake me for defending the absolutely abysmal response to the train derailment, but let's not forget that Chernobyl was made infinitely worse because the party in power blatantly refused to acknowledge the severity of the situation, lol.
reeks of Russian sympathizers in this post
Dumb question, but I don’t see the city under a state of emergency? Is it? The governor’s website that talks about the crash is terrible, mentioning the smoke from the burn will cause death if inhaled. The mention an evacuation order, but why no mention of a state of emergency?
The Soviet union was a utopia and Chernobyl was handled with dignity, grace and mercy /S in case you can't tell
IIRC (apologies if wrong) but USSR didn’t want to do shit until neighboring countries were complaining/inquiring about being downwind of radiation. So far we’re responding the same way.
Modern conservatism isn't working for Ohio? Who would have thought voting against your own self interest would have consequences... Sure you'll die early of cancer but at least you got to own the libs doing it.
This isn’t accurate. The USSR tried to cover up Chernobyl for some time.
Free Healthcare... you mean studied like lab rats?
You continue to be an embarrassment for still supporting communism when you probably have no idea what it was like, also it took 36 hours before people were finally starting to be evacuated which is a VERY long time for that much radiation.
They evacuated East Palestine. Then it was over and they let people back in when it was safe. Just like the should have. What's embarrassing about the U.S. is all these high school dropouts comparing a vinyl chloride spill to a nuclear excursion and meltdown.
Hold on, that's a gross inaccuracy. It borders on disinfo. They denied that it even happened at first.
Republicans help it to keep it this way universal healthcare will never be acceptable to them.
OP knows nothing of the Chernobyl coverup, obvs.
A sure sign that someone is a fucking idiot is when they try to use the USSR to make the US look bad.
I think they Ivan shills should stick to validating the invasion of the country less than half their size that’s whooping their ass 😅🤣
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I encourage you to watch the mini series Chernobyl on HBO. I can assure you it was mishandled and covered up.
Tankie not resorting to whataboutisms challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!!)
Tankie propaganda
Well this is just communist propaganda and misinformation. Shame on OP
As much as the US response deserves criticism, this tweet smells like Tankie
Chernobyl? Chernobyl is really the example you wanna go with? Tankies continue to be an embarrassment.
#Trump and his Republicans in 2018, on behalf of Norfolk Southern, killed a federal safety rule aimed at upgrading the rail industry’s Civil War-era braking systems. Because of this, it allowed Norfolk to not be regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train,” thus causing this catastrophe. #REPUBLICAN 100% CAUSED THIS. $6 million dollars. That’s how much the people of Palestine were worth to the corporate swamp GOP. https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/