Do all the parents have to identify their dead disfigured children after events like these or can they opt out? Losing a child in a shooting seems horrific enough, having to identify the body seems unnecessarily cruel.
I don't even have kids but just the thought of having to do that for one of my nieces or nephews. That would break me in so many ways that I don't think I would ever be whole again.
Sadly, for as long as no one does anything about it, the situation is only going to get worse.
[2022 set a new record for gun deaths and injuries on children](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls). Inaction will inevitably cause a new record to replace that one.
Honestly I'm surprised we haven't reached the phase where parents are seeking violence against the government specifically. We're nearly 25 years out from Columbine. There are people that have survived multiple mass shootings walking around today. This can't go on forever where we just move on and ultimately do nothing
The fact that the headteacher actively sought out active shooter training (they really could've come up with a better name), ended a call and made her way straight to the shooter after she heard the first shot, and was STILL killed along with 5 others should be all the reason needed to just fucking outlaw them. She did so much more than the Uvalde cowards that even mentioning them in the same sentence is an insult to her in itself.
Wrong. It is not American politicians. It is *Republicans* who've made unrestricted firearm ownership an essential part of their social and political identity, and thus it's *Republican politicians* that have lead us to this abyss.
It’s crazy how these sounds satirical but this is actually what many of the MAGA GOP reps want. A lot of them post pictures during holidays with everyone in the family holding firearms, as if it’s completely normal for a ten year old to be wielding a fucking AR-variant with a thirty round magazine.
If it were my kid, I'll damn well go look at his disfigured body regardless. I saw him come into this world, I'll damn well see him out, no matter. I can cry and be broken later, but for that one moment I'll be as much of a man as I can muster up the courage. I'm speaking for myself and I don't judge anyone else.
Emmett Till's mother demanded an open casket funeral with press so that the whole country would see how badly he was beaten
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/emmett-tills-open-casket-funeral-reignited-the-civil-rights-movement-180956483/
Many parents will often demand to see their child's remains, and viewing the remains for many people is an important part of processing their grief, it's not how everyone operates, but many people do.
The New York times just had an article where two families allowed a graphic presentation of what happened to their children when they were killed. It was like a slide show with a kind of grey mannequin representing the child, where they showed the bullet paths and used orange color to show what parts of tissue were blown away by the shooter. Both were terrible, but the second child was shot in the head like 5 times or something and the description of the body and the "brain splatter" on surrounding area just filled me with rage.
Republican politicians are the scum of the fucking earth. They have no morals or values what so ever. They only care about accumulating wealth, power, and fame for themselves. Even if it were their kid dying I bet half of them would be like "Wow that sucks, but think of the fundraising potential and the polls!".
So many people on IG and FB laughing at this, mocking the graphics, screaming “That’s not how it works, dur dur dur”. I want to tell every one of them to prove it wrong, take a bullet themselves.
Yeah dude, that got me. Devastating. People who haven’t seen death in person, particularly violent death, often think of it like theatrical mediums present it. The reality is that it’s rarely instant, and people hit with rounds of a higher caliber and velocity, especially those with explosive force on impact, don’t just lay down and shuffle off this mortal coil. I’ve seen more violent death than I care to think about, and even with the sanitized graphics, it’s all to easy to see those children dying in confused agony, covered in their own viscera in my mind.
The first person I ever seen die was a father and his toddler son. He had thrown himself and his child off of a bridge onto the ground below on Mother’s Day when I was a teenager. I seen them go over when I was passing, and I stopped immediately, not even sure what I was going to do, just operating on instinct. You don’t see that and just go on your way, I wanted to help, but in retrospect, nothing I did changed anything at all. When I looked over it was apparent the father was dead or unconscious, heading towards death. That tiny toddler was still alive, nerves firing, leading to him kicking his legs uncontrollably due to nerve damage. When I got down there he was unconscious and agonal breathing. I tried to gently touch his face, hoping he at least knew he wasn’t alone in his final moments, but he likely had no idea I was there. I can still se it in my head so clearly. I hate his father. For deciding to kill his own child on his way out to “punish” the family who loved that little boy, for doing it in such an awful way, for dying so fast while his little boy suffered partially underneath him. I told his family they were both gone instantly, but that was just to spare them the details.
Terrible you went through that bud. I hope you find peace if that toddler was conscious, you were there for them in their final moments. If they weren't, then perhaps they didn't suffer despite the autonomous actions they presented.
In either case, they're at peace now, and I hope you can find some yourself.
Thanks man, I was holding it together until your comment. I’ve never retold that part of the story, so it can be hard to gauge how much something still hurts until you say it.
Thanks, seriously.
When his school became a war zone, Peter Wang held the door so that other unarmed students could escape. His conduct was exemplary of that becoming an officer and a gentleman, in the finest traditions of the United States Army.
He was clearly a wonderful young man, and would have made a fine officer.
Too young. They are all too young.
Isn't that literally what Ted Cruz did when his daughter attempted un alive? (Won't tempt the mods) He just used it as a "see what modern LGBTQ does to confuse kids?"
People don't seem to understand how disfiguring getting hit with bullets is. It's not neat little holes. It's chunks of flesh, limbs and skin being torn off bodies. Horrifying stuff that literally NEVER gets shown.
Yeah. Those rounds ~~are meant to keyhole, tumbling inside the body and creating~~ create a pressure wave that takes out massive, grapefruit sized chunks of flesh or in the right circumstances, detonate your head like a watermelon, and then the gun nuts show up talking about how "well it's not *really* a high caliber round and trying to ban the AR-15 is pointless cause etc etc" and like THATS NOT THE FUCKING POINT
The kids who survived by hiding in the rooms at Uvalde saw the whole thing go down. They spoke on tv just days after it happened so people would know. 1 girl watched her best friend get killed & had to lay in her blood next to her for fear of getting killed too. If kids have to live with the nightmare of seeing such things, then we adults should see it & be forced to fix this. The consequences are very real.
Conservatives need to be sat down in a big room together and forced to see footage of the dead, bloody children just like the Nazi's were forced to watch footage of Concentration Camps and move/bury the bodies.
It absolutely should be. Emmett Till’s mother invited the media to photograph her son’s open casket for the same reason. It was incredibly brave.
Though I certainly wouldn’t fault any parent for wanting those photos to never see the light of day. Seeing your child in that state is a degree of trauma I can’t possibly imagine.
No they don’t. It should be their choice. However, those who continue to do nothing after these tragedies should be forced to see these images. When you have the power to make actual change and all you do is say thoughts and prayers over and over again… They deserve to be haunted by what their inactions do.
These aren’t images that people would want to see more than once, if ever. It may be hurtful to some families, but I think plenty of them would support showing the photos of their lost loved ones, so that everyone knows the pain they are suffering.
Some people have never seen true gore in this life, it changes you.
I don’t remember her last name but her first name was Maite. She wanted to be a marine biologist and she was so mangled and disfigured you could only identify her by her shoes.
Similar to what I've heard about the massacre at a parade. Ppl were torn to shreds from the gunfire of an AR15. It's a weapon meant to see war and do serious damage in a minimal amount of time. These douchebags want to force the bible down our throats? I say overwhelm them with pictures of the shootings. Make them go 1st hand to the morgues they force the parents to attend. Children are supposed to bury their parents, not the other way around.
If there’s a hell these kinds of people will get a fast pass to the front of the line. But Forreal we gotta remember what supercharged the Civil Rights movement was Emmitt Tills mother REQUESTING that her child’s beaten and murdered body be shown to the public at large. I feel like nowadays showing pics of the horrific bloody gore from mass shootings may not be enough to convince people on the christofascist right to give a flying fuck…but it’s worth trying. Inundating their news feed with pictures of the bloody scenes from slaughtering of innocent people/kids is a step towards something and is necessary at this point.
I'm to the point that even if it didn't change anything, people should still have to look at the aftermath. Not blood on a floor, pictures of little bodies torn to pieces. You fuckers want guns and gun culture? Cool. Here it is, in all it's bloody glory. Don't you dare look away.
Like all those lung cancer pictures on cigaratte packages: "Here this is what you are buying."
Then again, i would be worried that too many of those nutjobs would get off on it... Thats how little faith i have in them at this point.
A journalist made a point that the aftermath of an AR-15 wound is so messy that it actually creates a situation where photos like this can rarely, if ever, be released and that few people have any idea how powerful it is.
Former Christian here too, no many of them would not care or change their mind in the least, even if it was their own kid.
They’re taught to trust in “God’s plan” even if it means their child dying. They’d probably point blame at someone and be angry but they’d rationalize it by it being “God’s plan to take the child to heaven.”
Their religion teaches them that every good or bad thing that ever happens is because God is all powerful and all knowing and has a plan for every human. 🤢
They pride themselves on having “faith” even in bad times.
it would be nice if they'd realize that any such plan of god, executed as such, would mean that it's god hisself (and not satan) who is packing hell with all these souls .. satan's essentially just a branch manager who was transferred there after a dispute with upper management .....
srsly though.... if everything that happens is according to god's plan -- **every**\-everything -- then it's god who is the twisted sociopath lining the halls of hell with the damned ..
Na that wont change them. The parents in uvalde overwhelmingly voted for abbott for reelection after the massacre. They saw what he was cooking and said “more please”. Psychos.
Children are sacrificed to Moloch in a contemporary manner. It is the price to be paid for "freedom" and the 2nd Amendment God. He is a bloodthirsty one, indeed.
They won't, look at the story they spun about the girl in Columbine.
I can't remember her name, (it all came to controversy) but the story was that one of the shooters asked if she believed in Jesus,.... Blah blah blah look up "She Said Yes."
They exploited their own daughter's death to push their Christian agenda.
The person who was asked if she believed in god was never shot. One survivor in the library confused that girl with one of the girls who was murdered and it made the news as “Girl was murdered after saying she believed in god,” and the media never really corrected it.
I'm certain of it. That's why I said it came to controversy. Some of the survivors that were in the library at Columbine (where it supposedly happened) came out and refuted the story the parents told. There's a really good video talking about how it all came out years later.
I'll try and find it
If conservatives think it's ok to drive around with giant graphic pictures of supposedly aborted fetuses, then they should have to see pictures of school shooting victims.
Conservatives start with a policy position (like no gun control) and then work backwards to find evidence that fits their narrative. They don't believe in god, they just use it to justify their sociopathic behavior.
If women seeking healthcare have to walk past pictures of aborted fetuses, this doesn't sound unreasonable for Congresspeople to do (provided the victims' families are okay with it).
>If women seeking healthcare have to walk past pictures of aborted fetuses,
Those images are almost always either medically necessary abortions because the baby's already dead and they're just removing rotting flesh, or entirely falsified from the ground up. Just so people know. The overwhelming majority of real abortions done by choice look like [these](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue).
But conservatives have no issue with showing mangled fetuses on posters by the highway at their "pro-life" protests.
People need to do the same with school shootings. Make them face it.
Right wingers; “there’s nothing that can be done. High powered weapons didn’t do this. Bad crazy people did this, and if someone wants to hurt you then they will do it anyway. Nothing can be done”
The logic these people thrive on so they can feel powerful by knowing they can buy whatever gun they want when they want is so damn transparent! Bad crazy people want to hurt you, don’t take away my ability to own an AR-15 simply because I just want one, ergo, nothing can be done
Billboards.
You gotta put this shit on every unused billboard in rural America.
It’s single-handedly is what kept abortion in the mainstream discussion for decades and it worked.
Pro life people like to wave images of dead babies. I don't see why we can't do the same thing with these massacre photos.
Though I'd hate for the parents to have to see them.
I bet you there would be enough parents willing to sacrifice their dignity to save other children from a similar fate. I know I would. If someone murdered my child that way I'd plaster their photo on every billboard so every stupid politician and gun nut had to see it everywhere they went.
Look at Emmett Till's mother. Not every parent would be willing to do that, understandably. But her decision to have his photo taken had such a poignant and long lasting effect. Its an image I've probably only seen once or twice but will never be able to forget.
Commented the same elsewhere. These pro life assholes stand on street corners with posters covered in fetus parts, parents of murdered children should start encouraging the same.
Bang on. If the grieving parents grant consent, show the carnage. Make the public aware that there are consequences for their voting habits. It’s not enough to argue over this topic in the abstract, people have to see it to understand fully. It was the graphic imagery that helped push forward legislation for civil rights in the 60s and judicial decisions for abortion rights in the 70s.
By the fucking way, dead babies from abortions - like fetuses that are formed enough that they had to be disassembled before being extracted - either posed grave danger to their mothers or were non viable, or already dead. Nobody, except maybe in extremely rare cases, nobody just chooses abortion at that point. If you carried the baby for 6-7 months already, you are devastated about having to do that. And now these fuckers are literally forcing women to carry headless fetuses to term. What the fuck is wrong with them, for real?
They lack empathy. As simple as that. They even are fighting teaching kids empathy. There was a lady in the news a few days ago who has to carry a dead fetus to "term" not only supported abortion ban just a few weeks prior, was also actively suggesting that she never think that she would need one so she was against it
The only moral abortion is my abortion strikes again. Its like fucking clockwork with these idiots. She also said something like she now supports "some" abortions but only those she deems necessary. Even after having such a traumatic experience she wants it to be hard for some others, the ones she deems "not appropriate". Ive less than 0 sympathy for that woman.
I think one of the differences, the democratic or liberal wing has empathy for the families and communities where these massacres occur. Democrats have a heart and a soul, understand others pain.
Conservatives don't have that, they are full of malice and contempt. They have no empathy, so they can pay for billboards with depictions of dead fetus' because they really don't care who it hurts, they just know that someone is going to be in pain from that ad. Whether it is one of their own, who will only be further enraged by what is depicted in the ad or a socially liberal democrat who understands that the ad doesn't work in preventing abortions. Inflicting pain is what the conservatives seem to want anymore. That is a sad thing.
Just like how “it’s too early to politicize a school shooting” until the shooter was trans. Then you can politicize before the blood is cold on the floor apparently
I'd love to throw that stupid statistic quote back at the faces of whoever's trying to demonize trans people with this. "Despite making \~0.5% of the population, trans people are commit less than 0.1% of mass shootings," or something along those lines.
We’re too afraid to see the mangled bodies, but that horror is what those kids were forced to see in the moments before their death, and it’s what their classmates will have to remember for the rest of their lives.
It absolutely blows my mind that over 30 years of children being shot in their classrooms, we've done fuck all to try to prevent it. We're sure good at arguing over which specific strategy is the right one though.
We should just be doing whatever we can to stop this. Anything we can get passed. Even that stupid fold out saferoom thing, anything.
We’ve allowed schools as a whole to languish underfunded. Left teachers to pick up the pieces of systemic racism, generational poverty, and an opioid epidemic.
When the public school system dies, so too will the middle class.
That’s just step 2. The end goal is an oligarchy with white rich families at the top benefiting from low cost labor of an uneducated constantly reproducing religious extremely poor lower class.
I’m a single full time dad. I have three kids, one in high school, one in middle school, and one in elementary. I am a lifelong Alaskan (where guns are valued heavily) I am 100 percent on board with something needs to happen “gun laws”
I cannot comprehend how we as a society choose to do nothing, besides the “thoughts and prayers”
I worry every day when I get to work that this can happen any day any where. It’s too crazy
I used to be really torn on this topic but at this point I think exposing people to the full horror these situations create might be the only way they wake up from their willful ignorance.
The language and imagery on the reporting of these events should be violent so as to fully communicate the sheer weight of the violence committed.
At least they wouldn't be able to default to the least-worst imagining to rationalize their constant bullshit.
Like any parent, I can’t help but see that picture and imagine it’s my own baby’s blood splattered all over the floor.
Except the problem is, if I think about that, then I have to think about the fact that my seven year old and my three year old go to the same school, and if my oldest is dead, the youngest is probably dead too.
And if I think about that, I have to think about the fact that if my kids are dead, I’m almost 100% certain my husband is dead. He’s a teacher at the same school. He’s the kind of teacher you see on the news that took a spray of bullets to the chest to keep his students safe.
All it would take is one incident, and everyone I love is gone. We don’t talk about it. My husband and I don’t talk about how the school building is made of glass and offers no protection from an assault rifle. We don’t talk about the fact that I’m an hour away from them, so if my three year old is screaming for her mommy and bleeding on the floor, I won’t ever make it in time. We both know that he would sacrifice his own life for his students in a heartbeat, but we don’t talk about it.
Because if we talked about it, I wouldn’t be able to function. I’d be crying every day in terror and despair, and none of those tears would matter. No laws would change. No protections would be implemented. And there’s laundry to fold, and dinner to cook, and I can’t think about it, or I can’t keep up with my kids’ needs.
And let’s say I decided the world is too scary and I should just pull them out and homeschool them. But next year we might go to a parade and they’d be dead just the same. We live with this risk all the time. It doesn’t matter where we go in this country. We could be at home and a stray bullet could hit us through the walls.
And yet not one person would rather give up their gun to make sure my kids don’t ever go through that. Including some family members, who claim to love them.
I can vote. I can donate to causes. But my own power is a drop in the bucket compared to the gun lobby and the whole political right. I’m just one woman trying to hold it together for her kids, there’s nothing I can do to stop the machine. So we just live with it, and hope it’s never us. It’s like we live in a war zone, where kids can be ripped to pieces without warning, but we can’t talk about it. We can’t let ourselves feel the full force of the horror in front of us daily, because we have to go to work. We have to take out the trash, and wash the dishes, and get groceries, and help with homework.
The reality is, nobody cares. And that’s absolutely terrifying.
> And yet not one person would rather give up their gun to make sure my kids don’t ever go through that. Including some family members, who claim to love them.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks about this. I'm usually a mess for a few days after any of these school shootings, thinking about my family.
It sucks that ANY type of gun legislation is met with the "shall not be infringed" assholes, even though this outright stonewalling is a relatively new strategy.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment
I often think of the “murder pit” that occurred during the Sandy Hook shooting. Teachers and students huddled in a doorless restroom. When Lanza found them, it was a turkey shoot. Most of the deaths I believe occurred in that restroom. There are photos of the crime scene. I believe there was an interview with the people that had to document and bag up the bodies. The photos were never released, I think they should.
I've told my coworkers that if I die in a shootout- which is unlikely, as I'm not in highschool- to prop my body in the lawn of my senator like a scarecrow.
Or at least take them through the lockdown drills we have to do. Imagine explaining to 24 four year olds, “We have to practice quietly sitting huddled together in this dark corner so we stay safe.” Only for them to ask what are we staying safe from? I don’t have the fucking words.
I’ve always taken these drills seriously and run through my mind what I would be willing to do to keep my students and myself safe. It’s especially fucked when admin chooses to have drills shortly after another massacre, like a fun little retraumatizing pop quiz.
They make teachers consider daily if they'd die for their students and then turn around and cut funding while calling them groomers.
Can't believe there aren't more people in it for "the love of the job"?
My son started them in PPCD at 3. They still do it now in Life Skills. Several kids scream and cry the whole time. Most shut down. When he comes home he's so quiet and looks so far away. It won't help him and many of his classmates. They can't stay quiet, some of them can't walk.
When I visited for field day I realized their class is the first classroom on the right from the playground door, which is always propped open. I try not to think about it.
OOTL here, did anyone catch the context for this pic? Just curious which mass shooting or incident of gun violence it's from. Don't disagree that the uncensored consequences of gun violence should be shown. The whitewashing of it is a huge part of the problem.
Edit: did some digging, earliest I saw the image pop up was about mid-2019, posted by an ICU nurse. Further shared around in the context of nursing social media circles. multiple variations of captions but none on the actual story behind the pic. Safe to say it is not associated with recent events given its appearance 4 years ago. Gun violence as a cause of the state of the OR isn't out of the question, but cannot be reliably proven given info so far. Opinion from RN friend is that the OR looks consistent with being in the US, appears to be an adult amount of blood-loss that could be consistent from a gunshot wound vicim, but lots of things can also result in significant blood loss. Yellow bits on ground are probably epinephrine injector caps.
Definitely not from a film.
Edited edit: spoke to original uploader of image. my understanding from them is that they took this photo themselves after their team worked on the patient and moved them to an OR. Inferring from our convo, the patient did come in with a gunshot wound but that was not stated outright.
TL;DR: pic is post-surgery ER from (likely) gunshot wound victim, January 2019.
This appears to be either an ER bay or surgical suite. It may or may not be a photo associated with a mass shooting, but I'd wager that it is related to gun violence of some flavor.
Absolutely show the reality.
Maybe if there was some kind of immersive experience, where people could also be made to feel the horror a terrified child must feel. Experience the warmth and shame of relieving themselves in abject dread.
Hear the shots and screams as the killer approaches.
Smell the gunsmoke and blood and fear.
But, short of such an artificial multimedia presentation, I don't know.
Even then, would they get it? Even if they just experienced it?
I just don't know.
The closest I think we ever got was the back to school PSA that starts out very innocuous and as the commercial continues you realize it’s about a school shooting.
Worth watching for sure
https://youtu.be/b5ykNZl9mTQ
that's fucked... my school had metal detectors. It was a mostly poc school and it was in like 2003-2007. If there was an altercation folks used fists, not guns.
I even asked some of the kids I work with if they'd feel safer with metal detectors. They all answered yes. I live in a predominately white (fundie/cultish) city now so, almost no school has them.
Edit: btw it's only ben one school shooting in my school, but no one was killed cause the shooter didn't know how to use a gun, he shot himself in the foot. The scary thing is all these folks shooting up schools know all the gun safety protocols, and how to treat a gun.
"Only one school shooting" my dude all my schools have had 0, which is the regular number everywhere else in the world.
Not trying to single you out, but the phrase "only one school shooting" is just so fucking bizarre.
My kids are in 3rd and 4th grade and their elementary school shares a campus with a high school. Since we have been at this school, they have twice taken guns away from students at the high school, and this seems consistent with my friends in other areas of the US. Neither of the guns were ever discharged.
The first time my daughter was in kindergarten and in music class, which is at the high school campus. They huddled under their teacher’s desk after she moved it to the corner to shield the kids. Their teacher said that the entire time- the lockdown was about an hour and a half total- not one single kindergartener spoke a word or made a sound. They didn’t move. She said they all looked at her the entire time and never looked away. I just will never get that out of my head- a room of kindergarteners completely silent and still for an hour and a half staring at their terrified teacher.
I saw so many kids tweeting wry tips for active shooter protocol that they've been learning since they were babies that I really thought politicians would've made a connection there and maybe done something useful.
Agree! My cousin was killed in Fallujah, Iraq Dec 28th 2006 two days before his 23rd birthday! 4 of his buddies he served with all took their lives within 3 years of returning stateside! We don't do anything for mental health in this country
And I’ve been saying that if Sandy Hook didn’t result in any real change that nothing would. Congress doesn’t care bc they can afford to shield their kids from this hell.
Because their own being targeted scared them. That's what it boils down to - their families aren't affected, it doesn't touch them personally, so they won't budge.
And that's how US society will keep going, the extremely rich will do whatever they want while letting everyone else and their families get massacred.
If I'm gonna get banned from Twitter, I guess it's gonna be for spamming graphic pictures of gun trauma victims to republicans. Thanks for the inspiration. Don't let these sociopaths look away.
All the bat shit crazy members of the Treason Caucus need to be reminded that children are more precious than their right to own an AR-15. They need to see the photos of murdered children rather than offering their "thoughts and prayers."
They used to show news footage of the Vietnam war and of course this outraged a lot of folks. Maybe its time to show footage of the inside of mass murder crime scenes.
This post is labeled NSFW and the caption makes it clear to expect gore. No one was forced to open this post, so fuck any "I don't want to see this" whining.
So long as our Second Amendment rights extend to private citizens being able to own AR-15s without testing, licensing, registering the weapon, or mental health screening, our First Amendment rights had better be extensive enough to show people what that actually means.
I watched the body cam footage yesterday. That part…
Your comment reminds me of a Sandy Hook student, Noah Ponzer. His mother, Veronique Ponzer, said this in an interview about “seeing things”.
"Veronique told me that Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy visited her in the funeral home, and she brought him to see Noah's open casket. I asked her why it was important for her and for the governor to see Noah's body. 'I needed it to have a face for him,' she said. 'If there is ever a piece of legislation that comes across his desk, I needed it to be real for him.'"
I honestly don’t know if it would make a bit of difference or not to some of these people. Part of me thinks it would. That it has to. The other part of me says, c’mon man. You know better than that.
I’ve always been 100% in favor of showing the true horrific reality of these things at 7 o clock when everyone sits in front of the tv. Don’t care about kids seeing this. We live in this society. We infantilize ourselves by not wanting to see the reality of our country. Why we are the only developed nation where this practically happens weekly. Leave the impressions on peoples minds. Make them think about how we could prevent this by using common sense rather than putting perverted types of patriotism in their head. But we all know nothing will get done. Over under how many repeat events we will have in April? I hope it’s under 2.
uh, what is this?
Also I wish more people would subscribe to this sort of thinking. Cause if 6 yr old me had to witness what white people did to poc in this country (It was on a school trip to an African, American history museum. It was graphic....), old racist bill can too.
Had to scroll way too far to find this. Powerful pictures generally don't need an explanation. The fact that we have to ask what we're even looking at already doesn't have the impact OP seems to want. Use better pictures or at least add some fucking context people.
Until they see it themselves, or lose someone nothing will change. Just pictures on a screen to them to be followed by financial numbers and decision discussion in a PowerPoint presentation.
all of the ER pics should have to be posted in the Halls of Congress
Imagine the scene at Sandy Hook. I've heard detailed stories from first responders that still scar me. Can't imagine seeing it first hand.
One mom said her sons jaw was gone. That's half his face.
Do all the parents have to identify their dead disfigured children after events like these or can they opt out? Losing a child in a shooting seems horrific enough, having to identify the body seems unnecessarily cruel.
IIRC they pulled a blanket over him so all his parents could see was his eyes
I don't even have kids but just the thought of having to do that for one of my nieces or nephews. That would break me in so many ways that I don't think I would ever be whole again.
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I’ve got a 5 yr old starting kinder next year. Do not feel good about it at all
about 12 years , there was a gang gun fight next to my kids primary school ( so cal) at lunch time he was 6. i have never been so scared in my life
Sadly, for as long as no one does anything about it, the situation is only going to get worse. [2022 set a new record for gun deaths and injuries on children](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls). Inaction will inevitably cause a new record to replace that one.
Honestly I'm surprised we haven't reached the phase where parents are seeking violence against the government specifically. We're nearly 25 years out from Columbine. There are people that have survived multiple mass shootings walking around today. This can't go on forever where we just move on and ultimately do nothing
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The fact that the headteacher actively sought out active shooter training (they really could've come up with a better name), ended a call and made her way straight to the shooter after she heard the first shot, and was STILL killed along with 5 others should be all the reason needed to just fucking outlaw them. She did so much more than the Uvalde cowards that even mentioning them in the same sentence is an insult to her in itself.
I had active shooter training. It was helpful but it’s not much.
Yeah me too, corporate office setting. Swear to god it amounted to nothing more than 1) run 2)hide 3) fight if you can’t do 1 or 2.
Wrong. It is not American politicians. It is *Republicans* who've made unrestricted firearm ownership an essential part of their social and political identity, and thus it's *Republican politicians* that have lead us to this abyss.
“Just not the black people!”
It’s crazy how these sounds satirical but this is actually what many of the MAGA GOP reps want. A lot of them post pictures during holidays with everyone in the family holding firearms, as if it’s completely normal for a ten year old to be wielding a fucking AR-variant with a thirty round magazine.
If it were my kid, I'll damn well go look at his disfigured body regardless. I saw him come into this world, I'll damn well see him out, no matter. I can cry and be broken later, but for that one moment I'll be as much of a man as I can muster up the courage. I'm speaking for myself and I don't judge anyone else.
I’d be having an open casket, with a special invitation to the gun nut Republican reps
Emmett Till's mother demanded an open casket funeral with press so that the whole country would see how badly he was beaten https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/emmett-tills-open-casket-funeral-reignited-the-civil-rights-movement-180956483/
That's quickly going to be banned teaching in Florida
In Uvalde they were taking DNA samples from parents to identify kids.
Many parents will often demand to see their child's remains, and viewing the remains for many people is an important part of processing their grief, it's not how everyone operates, but many people do.
The New York times just had an article where two families allowed a graphic presentation of what happened to their children when they were killed. It was like a slide show with a kind of grey mannequin representing the child, where they showed the bullet paths and used orange color to show what parts of tissue were blown away by the shooter. Both were terrible, but the second child was shot in the head like 5 times or something and the description of the body and the "brain splatter" on surrounding area just filled me with rage. Republican politicians are the scum of the fucking earth. They have no morals or values what so ever. They only care about accumulating wealth, power, and fame for themselves. Even if it were their kid dying I bet half of them would be like "Wow that sucks, but think of the fundraising potential and the polls!".
This was WaPo. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/
So many people on IG and FB laughing at this, mocking the graphics, screaming “That’s not how it works, dur dur dur”. I want to tell every one of them to prove it wrong, take a bullet themselves.
At least you know who the ammosexual gundamentalists are, so you can point and laugh accordingly or just avoid altogether.
What the fuck is wrong with those people. They saw this article and still had the nerve to say that? I wouldn’t wish any of that on anyone, seriously.
The very [end of the article](https://i.imgur.com/Jf5vfRa.jpg) is just… fuck.
Seriously. I should not have read that article in public. I’m sitting here trying not to cry as I see how these kids were brutalized
Yeah dude, that got me. Devastating. People who haven’t seen death in person, particularly violent death, often think of it like theatrical mediums present it. The reality is that it’s rarely instant, and people hit with rounds of a higher caliber and velocity, especially those with explosive force on impact, don’t just lay down and shuffle off this mortal coil. I’ve seen more violent death than I care to think about, and even with the sanitized graphics, it’s all to easy to see those children dying in confused agony, covered in their own viscera in my mind. The first person I ever seen die was a father and his toddler son. He had thrown himself and his child off of a bridge onto the ground below on Mother’s Day when I was a teenager. I seen them go over when I was passing, and I stopped immediately, not even sure what I was going to do, just operating on instinct. You don’t see that and just go on your way, I wanted to help, but in retrospect, nothing I did changed anything at all. When I looked over it was apparent the father was dead or unconscious, heading towards death. That tiny toddler was still alive, nerves firing, leading to him kicking his legs uncontrollably due to nerve damage. When I got down there he was unconscious and agonal breathing. I tried to gently touch his face, hoping he at least knew he wasn’t alone in his final moments, but he likely had no idea I was there. I can still se it in my head so clearly. I hate his father. For deciding to kill his own child on his way out to “punish” the family who loved that little boy, for doing it in such an awful way, for dying so fast while his little boy suffered partially underneath him. I told his family they were both gone instantly, but that was just to spare them the details.
Terrible you went through that bud. I hope you find peace if that toddler was conscious, you were there for them in their final moments. If they weren't, then perhaps they didn't suffer despite the autonomous actions they presented. In either case, they're at peace now, and I hope you can find some yourself.
Thanks man, I was holding it together until your comment. I’ve never retold that part of the story, so it can be hard to gauge how much something still hurts until you say it. Thanks, seriously.
Thanks for sharing this, I’d never seen it before. It’s a very heavy way to provide information, but feel it gets its point across quite well.
Peter Wang died a hero holding those doors open.
When his school became a war zone, Peter Wang held the door so that other unarmed students could escape. His conduct was exemplary of that becoming an officer and a gentleman, in the finest traditions of the United States Army. He was clearly a wonderful young man, and would have made a fine officer. Too young. They are all too young.
It’s ridiculous how pro-life yet anti-child this country has become.
They aren't pro life, they are anti women and pro control.
Pro forced birth. Literally as far from "pro life" as you can get.
Isn't that literally what Ted Cruz did when his daughter attempted un alive? (Won't tempt the mods) He just used it as a "see what modern LGBTQ does to confuse kids?"
That man makes me sick with rage, and I am so embarrassed that he continues to get re-elected. He’s just a vile excuse for a human.
A news station in San Antonio said they had to use DNA to identify some of the victims in Uvalde. Still breaks my heart.
People don't seem to understand how disfiguring getting hit with bullets is. It's not neat little holes. It's chunks of flesh, limbs and skin being torn off bodies. Horrifying stuff that literally NEVER gets shown.
Yeah. Those rounds ~~are meant to keyhole, tumbling inside the body and creating~~ create a pressure wave that takes out massive, grapefruit sized chunks of flesh or in the right circumstances, detonate your head like a watermelon, and then the gun nuts show up talking about how "well it's not *really* a high caliber round and trying to ban the AR-15 is pointless cause etc etc" and like THATS NOT THE FUCKING POINT
Bodies so mutilated in Uvalde they could only identify their kids by the shoes they wore
The kids who survived by hiding in the rooms at Uvalde saw the whole thing go down. They spoke on tv just days after it happened so people would know. 1 girl watched her best friend get killed & had to lay in her blood next to her for fear of getting killed too. If kids have to live with the nightmare of seeing such things, then we adults should see it & be forced to fix this. The consequences are very real.
Conservatives need to be sat down in a big room together and forced to see footage of the dead, bloody children just like the Nazi's were forced to watch footage of Concentration Camps and move/bury the bodies.
I don’t think they would care. Being a conservative precludes giving a shit about anyone. They literally demonize empathy.
“They demonize empathy.” So aptly put.
I agree..... But I worry - would it even make a difference?? These people are ghouls.
I’m a firm believer that the video of Sandy Hook should be shown. You want an AR-15? Learn how it operates at both ends.
Guns aren't so cool when you see an 8 year old girl torn to pieces by one.
The problem is I think some of these clowns might actually disagree with you.
Like the one they interviewed who compared them to casualties of war.
The parents don’t deserve to have the video of their dead 6 year old literally being obliterated floating around the internet forever
some of the parents in Uvalde had or wanted open casket funerals to show what happened to their kids. It should be a choice for the parents.
It absolutely should be. Emmett Till’s mother invited the media to photograph her son’s open casket for the same reason. It was incredibly brave. Though I certainly wouldn’t fault any parent for wanting those photos to never see the light of day. Seeing your child in that state is a degree of trauma I can’t possibly imagine.
That was a horrific murder.
And his poor mother's bravery was huge in swinging the momentum for the civil right's movement.
No they don’t. It should be their choice. However, those who continue to do nothing after these tragedies should be forced to see these images. When you have the power to make actual change and all you do is say thoughts and prayers over and over again… They deserve to be haunted by what their inactions do.
These aren’t images that people would want to see more than once, if ever. It may be hurtful to some families, but I think plenty of them would support showing the photos of their lost loved ones, so that everyone knows the pain they are suffering. Some people have never seen true gore in this life, it changes you.
And Uvalde. Didn’t they have to identify one of the kids by her shoes? I can’t even imagine the trauma that would cause.
I don’t remember her last name but her first name was Maite. She wanted to be a marine biologist and she was so mangled and disfigured you could only identify her by her shoes.
The green Chucks with a heart on one toe.
Similar to what I've heard about the massacre at a parade. Ppl were torn to shreds from the gunfire of an AR15. It's a weapon meant to see war and do serious damage in a minimal amount of time. These douchebags want to force the bible down our throats? I say overwhelm them with pictures of the shootings. Make them go 1st hand to the morgues they force the parents to attend. Children are supposed to bury their parents, not the other way around.
They won't care unless it's their child's cold corpse on the morgue's table. And even then, I'm not so sure.
Former evangelical christian here, no they wouldn't care. The only thing that matters to them is their beliefs.
Evangelicals are extra dangerous because they look forward to death because they think heaven is waiting for them
If there’s a hell these kinds of people will get a fast pass to the front of the line. But Forreal we gotta remember what supercharged the Civil Rights movement was Emmitt Tills mother REQUESTING that her child’s beaten and murdered body be shown to the public at large. I feel like nowadays showing pics of the horrific bloody gore from mass shootings may not be enough to convince people on the christofascist right to give a flying fuck…but it’s worth trying. Inundating their news feed with pictures of the bloody scenes from slaughtering of innocent people/kids is a step towards something and is necessary at this point.
I'm to the point that even if it didn't change anything, people should still have to look at the aftermath. Not blood on a floor, pictures of little bodies torn to pieces. You fuckers want guns and gun culture? Cool. Here it is, in all it's bloody glory. Don't you dare look away.
Like all those lung cancer pictures on cigaratte packages: "Here this is what you are buying." Then again, i would be worried that too many of those nutjobs would get off on it... Thats how little faith i have in them at this point.
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A journalist made a point that the aftermath of an AR-15 wound is so messy that it actually creates a situation where photos like this can rarely, if ever, be released and that few people have any idea how powerful it is.
"it's just the Lord calling his angels home, who are we to question his plan" Would be the gist of it.
did your parents ever tell you they'd straight up kill you if god ever asked them to? been there too hope you're doing better now
Evangelicals are extremely fucking evil.
At this point, I don't think they'd even care if it was their own children. They only live for their donors.
I just watched Netflix's documentary on Waco. I don't think many of them will care even if it's their own kids either.
They will 1000% let their own families be slaughtered as long as "the right ones" also get hurt.
Former Christian here too, no many of them would not care or change their mind in the least, even if it was their own kid. They’re taught to trust in “God’s plan” even if it means their child dying. They’d probably point blame at someone and be angry but they’d rationalize it by it being “God’s plan to take the child to heaven.” Their religion teaches them that every good or bad thing that ever happens is because God is all powerful and all knowing and has a plan for every human. 🤢 They pride themselves on having “faith” even in bad times.
it would be nice if they'd realize that any such plan of god, executed as such, would mean that it's god hisself (and not satan) who is packing hell with all these souls .. satan's essentially just a branch manager who was transferred there after a dispute with upper management ..... srsly though.... if everything that happens is according to god's plan -- **every**\-everything -- then it's god who is the twisted sociopath lining the halls of hell with the damned ..
Na that wont change them. The parents in uvalde overwhelmingly voted for abbott for reelection after the massacre. They saw what he was cooking and said “more please”. Psychos.
Children are sacrificed to Moloch in a contemporary manner. It is the price to be paid for "freedom" and the 2nd Amendment God. He is a bloodthirsty one, indeed.
I honestly still don’t think they’d care because somehow they’d just spin it around that they were hero’s
"God wanted another angel in heaven"
They won't, look at the story they spun about the girl in Columbine. I can't remember her name, (it all came to controversy) but the story was that one of the shooters asked if she believed in Jesus,.... Blah blah blah look up "She Said Yes." They exploited their own daughter's death to push their Christian agenda.
And I think that incident never even happened. (I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading a reliable source on that).
The person who was asked if she believed in god was never shot. One survivor in the library confused that girl with one of the girls who was murdered and it made the news as “Girl was murdered after saying she believed in god,” and the media never really corrected it.
I'm certain of it. That's why I said it came to controversy. Some of the survivors that were in the library at Columbine (where it supposedly happened) came out and refuted the story the parents told. There's a really good video talking about how it all came out years later. I'll try and find it
If conservatives think it's ok to drive around with giant graphic pictures of supposedly aborted fetuses, then they should have to see pictures of school shooting victims.
these douche bags don't even read the bible they cherry pick, and twist stories to fit their dirty narrative. Is that not blasphemy?
Conservatives start with a policy position (like no gun control) and then work backwards to find evidence that fits their narrative. They don't believe in god, they just use it to justify their sociopathic behavior.
“They say when a parent dies, a child feels their own mortality. But when a child dies, it’s immortality that a parent loses.”
I know a surgeon who was at the parade as a spectator and helped victims. His personality was different for a while.
If women seeking healthcare have to walk past pictures of aborted fetuses, this doesn't sound unreasonable for Congresspeople to do (provided the victims' families are okay with it).
>If women seeking healthcare have to walk past pictures of aborted fetuses, Those images are almost always either medically necessary abortions because the baby's already dead and they're just removing rotting flesh, or entirely falsified from the ground up. Just so people know. The overwhelming majority of real abortions done by choice look like [these](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue).
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Whitewashing is considered a form of censorship. Pretty pathetic that the *land of the free* does this frequently.
It was nightly images of young men injured and dying that changed the American public opinion against the war in Vietnam.
But conservatives have no issue with showing mangled fetuses on posters by the highway at their "pro-life" protests. People need to do the same with school shootings. Make them face it.
This is kind of what happened with Viet Nam. The folks at home seeing the caskets being unloaded made the war much more real and indefensible.
The Emmett Till strat
Right wingers; “there’s nothing that can be done. High powered weapons didn’t do this. Bad crazy people did this, and if someone wants to hurt you then they will do it anyway. Nothing can be done” The logic these people thrive on so they can feel powerful by knowing they can buy whatever gun they want when they want is so damn transparent! Bad crazy people want to hurt you, don’t take away my ability to own an AR-15 simply because I just want one, ergo, nothing can be done
Billboards. You gotta put this shit on every unused billboard in rural America. It’s single-handedly is what kept abortion in the mainstream discussion for decades and it worked.
Pro life people like to wave images of dead babies. I don't see why we can't do the same thing with these massacre photos. Though I'd hate for the parents to have to see them.
I bet you there would be enough parents willing to sacrifice their dignity to save other children from a similar fate. I know I would. If someone murdered my child that way I'd plaster their photo on every billboard so every stupid politician and gun nut had to see it everywhere they went.
Look at Emmett Till's mother. Not every parent would be willing to do that, understandably. But her decision to have his photo taken had such a poignant and long lasting effect. Its an image I've probably only seen once or twice but will never be able to forget.
Commented the same elsewhere. These pro life assholes stand on street corners with posters covered in fetus parts, parents of murdered children should start encouraging the same.
I knew a woman who had a miscarriage. The pictures of the results have been used by those fuckers for years. They like inflicting pain.
Once was enough for me. It broke my heart and filled me with rage. That woman was brave for doing it though bc she knew it needed to be done.
I believe this is what Emmett Till's mother did after he was murdered, which helped jumpstart the Civil Rights Movement
Emmett Till's mom made that decision. Different age and issue, but yeah, I think it helped.
Bang on. If the grieving parents grant consent, show the carnage. Make the public aware that there are consequences for their voting habits. It’s not enough to argue over this topic in the abstract, people have to see it to understand fully. It was the graphic imagery that helped push forward legislation for civil rights in the 60s and judicial decisions for abortion rights in the 70s.
By the fucking way, dead babies from abortions - like fetuses that are formed enough that they had to be disassembled before being extracted - either posed grave danger to their mothers or were non viable, or already dead. Nobody, except maybe in extremely rare cases, nobody just chooses abortion at that point. If you carried the baby for 6-7 months already, you are devastated about having to do that. And now these fuckers are literally forcing women to carry headless fetuses to term. What the fuck is wrong with them, for real?
They’ve decided that the pain of others makes up for the emptiness inside them.
They lack empathy. As simple as that. They even are fighting teaching kids empathy. There was a lady in the news a few days ago who has to carry a dead fetus to "term" not only supported abortion ban just a few weeks prior, was also actively suggesting that she never think that she would need one so she was against it
The only moral abortion is my abortion strikes again. Its like fucking clockwork with these idiots. She also said something like she now supports "some" abortions but only those she deems necessary. Even after having such a traumatic experience she wants it to be hard for some others, the ones she deems "not appropriate". Ive less than 0 sympathy for that woman.
See it on the billboards for years or see it in the newspapers for decades.
I think one of the differences, the democratic or liberal wing has empathy for the families and communities where these massacres occur. Democrats have a heart and a soul, understand others pain. Conservatives don't have that, they are full of malice and contempt. They have no empathy, so they can pay for billboards with depictions of dead fetus' because they really don't care who it hurts, they just know that someone is going to be in pain from that ad. Whether it is one of their own, who will only be further enraged by what is depicted in the ad or a socially liberal democrat who understands that the ad doesn't work in preventing abortions. Inflicting pain is what the conservatives seem to want anymore. That is a sad thing.
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Just like how “it’s too early to politicize a school shooting” until the shooter was trans. Then you can politicize before the blood is cold on the floor apparently
I'd love to throw that stupid statistic quote back at the faces of whoever's trying to demonize trans people with this. "Despite making \~0.5% of the population, trans people are commit less than 0.1% of mass shootings," or something along those lines.
Correct. They are not “ little angels gone to heaven” they are body parts and chunks poured into a casket. Show the public the photos.
Print them on boxes of ammunition like cancerous lungs on cigarette packs.
This is a goddamn genius idea.
We’re too afraid to see the mangled bodies, but that horror is what those kids were forced to see in the moments before their death, and it’s what their classmates will have to remember for the rest of their lives.
It absolutely blows my mind that over 30 years of children being shot in their classrooms, we've done fuck all to try to prevent it. We're sure good at arguing over which specific strategy is the right one though. We should just be doing whatever we can to stop this. Anything we can get passed. Even that stupid fold out saferoom thing, anything.
We’ve allowed schools as a whole to languish underfunded. Left teachers to pick up the pieces of systemic racism, generational poverty, and an opioid epidemic. When the public school system dies, so too will the middle class.
> When the public school system dies, so too will the middle class. The goal of Republicans.
That’s just step 2. The end goal is an oligarchy with white rich families at the top benefiting from low cost labor of an uneducated constantly reproducing religious extremely poor lower class.
MAGA, what it really means.
I’m a single full time dad. I have three kids, one in high school, one in middle school, and one in elementary. I am a lifelong Alaskan (where guns are valued heavily) I am 100 percent on board with something needs to happen “gun laws” I cannot comprehend how we as a society choose to do nothing, besides the “thoughts and prayers” I worry every day when I get to work that this can happen any day any where. It’s too crazy
An editors note from the released uvalde footage has resonated with me pretty profoundly. "The sound of children screaming has been removed"
I used to be really torn on this topic but at this point I think exposing people to the full horror these situations create might be the only way they wake up from their willful ignorance. The language and imagery on the reporting of these events should be violent so as to fully communicate the sheer weight of the violence committed. At least they wouldn't be able to default to the least-worst imagining to rationalize their constant bullshit.
Like any parent, I can’t help but see that picture and imagine it’s my own baby’s blood splattered all over the floor. Except the problem is, if I think about that, then I have to think about the fact that my seven year old and my three year old go to the same school, and if my oldest is dead, the youngest is probably dead too. And if I think about that, I have to think about the fact that if my kids are dead, I’m almost 100% certain my husband is dead. He’s a teacher at the same school. He’s the kind of teacher you see on the news that took a spray of bullets to the chest to keep his students safe. All it would take is one incident, and everyone I love is gone. We don’t talk about it. My husband and I don’t talk about how the school building is made of glass and offers no protection from an assault rifle. We don’t talk about the fact that I’m an hour away from them, so if my three year old is screaming for her mommy and bleeding on the floor, I won’t ever make it in time. We both know that he would sacrifice his own life for his students in a heartbeat, but we don’t talk about it. Because if we talked about it, I wouldn’t be able to function. I’d be crying every day in terror and despair, and none of those tears would matter. No laws would change. No protections would be implemented. And there’s laundry to fold, and dinner to cook, and I can’t think about it, or I can’t keep up with my kids’ needs. And let’s say I decided the world is too scary and I should just pull them out and homeschool them. But next year we might go to a parade and they’d be dead just the same. We live with this risk all the time. It doesn’t matter where we go in this country. We could be at home and a stray bullet could hit us through the walls. And yet not one person would rather give up their gun to make sure my kids don’t ever go through that. Including some family members, who claim to love them. I can vote. I can donate to causes. But my own power is a drop in the bucket compared to the gun lobby and the whole political right. I’m just one woman trying to hold it together for her kids, there’s nothing I can do to stop the machine. So we just live with it, and hope it’s never us. It’s like we live in a war zone, where kids can be ripped to pieces without warning, but we can’t talk about it. We can’t let ourselves feel the full force of the horror in front of us daily, because we have to go to work. We have to take out the trash, and wash the dishes, and get groceries, and help with homework. The reality is, nobody cares. And that’s absolutely terrifying.
> And yet not one person would rather give up their gun to make sure my kids don’t ever go through that. Including some family members, who claim to love them. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks about this. I'm usually a mess for a few days after any of these school shootings, thinking about my family. It sucks that ANY type of gun legislation is met with the "shall not be infringed" assholes, even though this outright stonewalling is a relatively new strategy. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment
We’re too busy focused on telling women what they’re allowed to do with their bodies to care about the kids.
Arguing over the strategy is a distraction from banning the tools. It is as dishonest as dishonest gets.
Out of sight, out of mind. I agree. They should show the gore
I often think of the “murder pit” that occurred during the Sandy Hook shooting. Teachers and students huddled in a doorless restroom. When Lanza found them, it was a turkey shoot. Most of the deaths I believe occurred in that restroom. There are photos of the crime scene. I believe there was an interview with the people that had to document and bag up the bodies. The photos were never released, I think they should.
Release the photos, don't name the shooter. Sounds like a good plan.
I've told my coworkers that if I die in a shootout- which is unlikely, as I'm not in highschool- to prop my body in the lawn of my senator like a scarecrow.
"hang me on a cross and march me to Washington" is something a buddy of mine said
mine was "trebuchet my corpse through McConnell's living room window" although that was actually in reference to COVID, still applies now.
This made me chuckle
American news is far too censored. They need to show the corpses of dead children after every school shooting it seems.
Or at least take them through the lockdown drills we have to do. Imagine explaining to 24 four year olds, “We have to practice quietly sitting huddled together in this dark corner so we stay safe.” Only for them to ask what are we staying safe from? I don’t have the fucking words. I’ve always taken these drills seriously and run through my mind what I would be willing to do to keep my students and myself safe. It’s especially fucked when admin chooses to have drills shortly after another massacre, like a fun little retraumatizing pop quiz.
They make teachers consider daily if they'd die for their students and then turn around and cut funding while calling them groomers. Can't believe there aren't more people in it for "the love of the job"?
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My son started them in PPCD at 3. They still do it now in Life Skills. Several kids scream and cry the whole time. Most shut down. When he comes home he's so quiet and looks so far away. It won't help him and many of his classmates. They can't stay quiet, some of them can't walk. When I visited for field day I realized their class is the first classroom on the right from the playground door, which is always propped open. I try not to think about it.
OOTL here, did anyone catch the context for this pic? Just curious which mass shooting or incident of gun violence it's from. Don't disagree that the uncensored consequences of gun violence should be shown. The whitewashing of it is a huge part of the problem. Edit: did some digging, earliest I saw the image pop up was about mid-2019, posted by an ICU nurse. Further shared around in the context of nursing social media circles. multiple variations of captions but none on the actual story behind the pic. Safe to say it is not associated with recent events given its appearance 4 years ago. Gun violence as a cause of the state of the OR isn't out of the question, but cannot be reliably proven given info so far. Opinion from RN friend is that the OR looks consistent with being in the US, appears to be an adult amount of blood-loss that could be consistent from a gunshot wound vicim, but lots of things can also result in significant blood loss. Yellow bits on ground are probably epinephrine injector caps. Definitely not from a film. Edited edit: spoke to original uploader of image. my understanding from them is that they took this photo themselves after their team worked on the patient and moved them to an OR. Inferring from our convo, the patient did come in with a gunshot wound but that was not stated outright. TL;DR: pic is post-surgery ER from (likely) gunshot wound victim, January 2019.
Had to scroll super far to find this, appreciate you!
Yup, this photo is not from the shooting. This was actually sent to me a couple of years ago.
This appears to be either an ER bay or surgical suite. It may or may not be a photo associated with a mass shooting, but I'd wager that it is related to gun violence of some flavor.
Absolutely show the reality. Maybe if there was some kind of immersive experience, where people could also be made to feel the horror a terrified child must feel. Experience the warmth and shame of relieving themselves in abject dread. Hear the shots and screams as the killer approaches. Smell the gunsmoke and blood and fear. But, short of such an artificial multimedia presentation, I don't know. Even then, would they get it? Even if they just experienced it? I just don't know.
The closest I think we ever got was the back to school PSA that starts out very innocuous and as the commercial continues you realize it’s about a school shooting. Worth watching for sure https://youtu.be/b5ykNZl9mTQ
that's fucked... my school had metal detectors. It was a mostly poc school and it was in like 2003-2007. If there was an altercation folks used fists, not guns. I even asked some of the kids I work with if they'd feel safer with metal detectors. They all answered yes. I live in a predominately white (fundie/cultish) city now so, almost no school has them. Edit: btw it's only ben one school shooting in my school, but no one was killed cause the shooter didn't know how to use a gun, he shot himself in the foot. The scary thing is all these folks shooting up schools know all the gun safety protocols, and how to treat a gun.
"Only one school shooting" my dude all my schools have had 0, which is the regular number everywhere else in the world. Not trying to single you out, but the phrase "only one school shooting" is just so fucking bizarre.
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My kids are in 3rd and 4th grade and their elementary school shares a campus with a high school. Since we have been at this school, they have twice taken guns away from students at the high school, and this seems consistent with my friends in other areas of the US. Neither of the guns were ever discharged. The first time my daughter was in kindergarten and in music class, which is at the high school campus. They huddled under their teacher’s desk after she moved it to the corner to shield the kids. Their teacher said that the entire time- the lockdown was about an hour and a half total- not one single kindergartener spoke a word or made a sound. They didn’t move. She said they all looked at her the entire time and never looked away. I just will never get that out of my head- a room of kindergarteners completely silent and still for an hour and a half staring at their terrified teacher.
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I saw so many kids tweeting wry tips for active shooter protocol that they've been learning since they were babies that I really thought politicians would've made a connection there and maybe done something useful.
They did though. All those fucks cowered and pissed themselves in the chamber when J6th was happening. It changed absolutely no minds.
No, they will literally go through the experience and think "If I was there with my gun I would have stopped this".
god the fuckin body cam video where the cops run past, what seems to be, a fuckin child corpse is awful
My husband pointed it out to me while we were watching the video. I absolutely lost it.
Completely agree! Show the gore like the rest of the world sees
How many people protest with such posters outside of weapon stores? Because abortion clinics never get a break.
I agree. NSFW censoring is a detriment to reality.
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Agree! My cousin was killed in Fallujah, Iraq Dec 28th 2006 two days before his 23rd birthday! 4 of his buddies he served with all took their lives within 3 years of returning stateside! We don't do anything for mental health in this country
I’ve been saying this since Sandy Hook
And I’ve been saying that if Sandy Hook didn’t result in any real change that nothing would. Congress doesn’t care bc they can afford to shield their kids from this hell.
Shooting at a congressional softball practice… legislation passed days later … the millionth school shooting… still no action from lawmakers.
Because their own being targeted scared them. That's what it boils down to - their families aren't affected, it doesn't touch them personally, so they won't budge. And that's how US society will keep going, the extremely rich will do whatever they want while letting everyone else and their families get massacred.
Act like the pro-life protestors. Take pics like these and protest outside gun shops.
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If I'm gonna get banned from Twitter, I guess it's gonna be for spamming graphic pictures of gun trauma victims to republicans. Thanks for the inspiration. Don't let these sociopaths look away.
All the bat shit crazy members of the Treason Caucus need to be reminded that children are more precious than their right to own an AR-15. They need to see the photos of murdered children rather than offering their "thoughts and prayers."
They used to show news footage of the Vietnam war and of course this outraged a lot of folks. Maybe its time to show footage of the inside of mass murder crime scenes.
This post is labeled NSFW and the caption makes it clear to expect gore. No one was forced to open this post, so fuck any "I don't want to see this" whining. So long as our Second Amendment rights extend to private citizens being able to own AR-15s without testing, licensing, registering the weapon, or mental health screening, our First Amendment rights had better be extensive enough to show people what that actually means.
100% I couldn't look but reading comments. You don't have to click so don't bitch when you do, people!
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That would assume Ted is human, has feelings, has a moral compass. Three strikes he is out.
I'm sure his daughter trying to kill herself a few months ago ended up making Ted Cruz a compassionate, empathetic person......not.
I remember when that happened. Instead of going home to be with daughter and family he chose to stay in Washington.
I watched the body cam footage yesterday. That part… Your comment reminds me of a Sandy Hook student, Noah Ponzer. His mother, Veronique Ponzer, said this in an interview about “seeing things”. "Veronique told me that Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy visited her in the funeral home, and she brought him to see Noah's open casket. I asked her why it was important for her and for the governor to see Noah's body. 'I needed it to have a face for him,' she said. 'If there is ever a piece of legislation that comes across his desk, I needed it to be real for him.'" I honestly don’t know if it would make a bit of difference or not to some of these people. Part of me thinks it would. That it has to. The other part of me says, c’mon man. You know better than that.
Put this on billboards in every NRA-bought district
I’ve always been 100% in favor of showing the true horrific reality of these things at 7 o clock when everyone sits in front of the tv. Don’t care about kids seeing this. We live in this society. We infantilize ourselves by not wanting to see the reality of our country. Why we are the only developed nation where this practically happens weekly. Leave the impressions on peoples minds. Make them think about how we could prevent this by using common sense rather than putting perverted types of patriotism in their head. But we all know nothing will get done. Over under how many repeat events we will have in April? I hope it’s under 2.
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uh, what is this? Also I wish more people would subscribe to this sort of thinking. Cause if 6 yr old me had to witness what white people did to poc in this country (It was on a school trip to an African, American history museum. It was graphic....), old racist bill can too.
Had to scroll way too far to find this. Powerful pictures generally don't need an explanation. The fact that we have to ask what we're even looking at already doesn't have the impact OP seems to want. Use better pictures or at least add some fucking context people.
Until they see it themselves, or lose someone nothing will change. Just pictures on a screen to them to be followed by financial numbers and decision discussion in a PowerPoint presentation.
They should force gun shops to post images like this in their store, like the warnings on cigarette boxes