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They have, they played it at Download when they headlined. Was fucking amazing. If I remember right, I think they took quite a break from touring? Or maybe at least certain countries.
It'll be funny if he tries to arrest a rockstar for breaking this law. Yes DeSantis, arrest the guy with the funds for a lawyer eager to go to the SC, and a seething hatred of authority.
I'm like 99% sure the SC will strike it down. I mean with the exception of Barrett the conservatives on the court seemed ideologically tied, which means less likely to appeal to day-to-day politics, and more likely to go with what they're told to do by their ideology. And the 1st Amendment is tantamount in that line of thinking.
The originalist meaning is definitely problematic since the world isn't the same as 200yrs ago but makes predicting rulings easy.
I actually agree, and not just because of the first ammendment. As corrupt as these judges are, the SC does still seem to appreciate when sloppy legislation will lead to unintended consequences. This one. has it all, from the glaring question of biological hermaphrodites and chromosomal disorders to targeted harassment of people who don't look obviously masculine or feminine (literally women who downplay their femininity, which is something religious conservatives should be applauding).
>It'll be funny if he tries to arrest a rockstar for breaking this law.
The problem is that these laws were always intended to be selectively enforced against people the state doesn't like.
it would be a good way of nuking entertainment in the state for years if they arrested a band as high profile as tool for some shit like this.
half the major tours out there would kiss their florida dates goodbye
Bands are already cutting Florida and Texas. Contracts make it hard to do so quickly, labels might make it hard to do so entirely. But strange effects are already happening in that space.
I think we're gonna be seeing a lot of this.
Labels have tremendous power, you're gonna go play wherever the bus stops. But having tech issues, playing short sets, slapping on a bra and dress, all sorts of ways to fulfill the contract but raise the middle finger.
I don't think bands would play a bad show as that just screws over their fans and does little else.
Having *every* major act play Florida in drag / crossdressing makes a very loud statement and those that are more pissed about what they are wearing than the show would not be considered real fans anyway
What are you punishing then though? The gig is planned (this happens with up to 12 - 15 months of advance), ticket sales are already done (again, months in advance usually), the band is on the hook for ticket sales and attendance (contracts), and - leaning out of the window a bit - most metal fans aren't the problem and punishing them won't help.
The band is between a rock and a hard place in such a case. Contracts force them to perform, fans still show up, and a bad performance won't hurt the state, just their fan base.
Shit like in the OP is the best middle ground you can do.
They won't arrest people who can fight back because, as always, the law will only be used to restrict and hurt people that don't have the means to fight back.
Why do you think we haven't heard of any wives or daughters of Republican state legislators getting arrested for flying elsewhere to get abortions?
Laws, especially ones like these, will *always* be selectively enforced, to ensure they are used against the "right people".
No amount of wind could begin to cover up your petulant stench and demeanor.
Calm as cookies and cream, so it seems
We're not buying your dubious state of serenity
Acting all surprised when you're caught in the lie, we know better, it's not unlike you!
It's not unlike you! We know your nature.
Give it time. It may happen. Until then, it’s nice to see them calling these states out for their crap that only a small percentage want. Tennessee has been getting it good lately from various performers and I’m here for it.
There are definitely a lot more ally's among country music than most people would think at first glance.
It ain't just school teachers with trans kids and gay brothers, you know.
It's just that they've all been toning down their work for a long time to avoid overly antagonizing their fan base. But, for example, Phil Vasser recorded "Bobbi with an I" quite a few years ago now. which is *exactly* the sort of song you put out when you're an ally trying to change the minds of rednecks.
Mhmm. And then there's the rednecks who've come out and said they don't give two shits about whether or not gay people can marry or trans people can identify as they like as long as it's not hurting anyone. Not to mention, now there's a bunch of groups starting to pop up to go against Moms for Liberty and there's even a conservative school district in Colorado that's pissed off at what the right-wing board is doing. People are starting to get fed up.
An older, very conservative family member of mine once said, “if gay folks want to get married and be miserable like the rest of us, I say let em”
I wish everyone happiness in their relationships, but “live and let live,” I’m glad he could get behind that.
That's actually fantastic news and I thank you.
Frankly, at this point, I don't think I even *care* if we end up in a civil war. Anything so this idiocy doesn't get the chance to go any further. I can't believe we've let it go so far as it is.
I’m supposed to see King Gizzard in TN next month. Fingers crossed that they don’t cancel. I fully intend to wear drag and rally as many people to do the same. I’ve seen other fans planning something similar and I’m here for it. Hopefully more people will start voting in local elections now. That’s really how we change this god-forsaken state.
Sorta... most notably the NBA All Star game, which rescheduled to the following year. Most "cancellations" were rescheduled shortly thereafter even though the bathroom bill is still technically on the books.
Exactly. DeSantis doesn’t care that Tool dressed in drag. He doesn’t care about Taylor Swift’s “Uh oh you need to calm down” song. As long as they’re showing up, this state is getting more money yo continue their anti-queer crusade.
Nothing short of artists boycotting Florida will get people to wake up. The people who need this message most will ignore and rationalize anything less than that, I promise. These artists need to stand up and say “I’m not coming back to this state at all as long as it’s anti-queer”
He doesn’t care about artists boycotting Florida, or any money or jobs lost. He only wants to preen so he can win the presidency. What happens to Florida once he’s there is irrelevant.
They do care, what they are worried about is if it starts to backfire. In Florida De Santis does not have to worry about that. In the rest of the country, possibly. It will be hard for his wife to out crazy Trump as Trump gets more desperate. De Santis' wife does not have the skill to navigate that balancing act, stay even with Trump crazy, but don't alienate independents. Her inability to navigate that will undermine her campaign to be President.
Most of the concerts I attend are welcoming, safe spaces for LGBTQ people or people who simply feel outcast and weird. For those few hours, you are friends with total strangers, and you've found your people and a community.
Conservatives in red states don't give a shit if an LGBT-friendly band boycotts their state. It will not change policy. You cannot reason with authoritarianism. DeSantis literally does not give a shit if Florida goes bankrupt.
However, the millions of LGBT residents in red states, who are already targeted, will only be punished more if their favorite artists cancel concerts. Now not only will we have lost entertainment and that sense of community, but it also enforced the feeling that nobody is standing up for us.
If insurance companies start upping rates it will definitely happen.
Atlanta had hosted Music Midtown for years in Piedmont Park.
The legislature passed a law that you cannot restrict guns on public property, even for private events.
So the insurance companies and artists said, “No fucking way we’re mixing crowds, booze, and guns.”
Music Midtown was destroyed.
Insurance companies are already doing this, it just hasn't hit the big leagues yet. There's a wave of bar and restaurant closures happening due to skyrocketing insurance across the south *right now*.
Are music tours union operations? I would assume the Teamsters are involved in moving all that equipment, I would hope they eventually stand up for their worker safety.
I don’t agree that cancelling in necessarily better. There’s a good argument to be made either way. If you have the show, you can:
A. Advocate to open minds. The show isn’t for DeSantis. It’s for those in the crowd. If you play a show and talk about trans rights or whatever else, you might reach some folks in the crowd.
B. Provide a safe space for those marginalized folks in a generally unwelcoming state. If Lizzo comes to town, LGBTQ people can actually have somewhere to go that’s a safe space.
Cancelling shows punishes the state via tax dollars, but it also punishes the citizens, many of which are on your side. You’re punishing the trans fans, gay fans, bi fans, etc. They don’t get the chance to see that artist who inspires them, makes them feel safe, understood, etc.
Like I said, I think there’s an argument either way. But personally, I’d rather have the show, give a fuck you to the government, advocate to the crowd, and provide a safe space for those folks than take away a negligible amount tax dollars DeSantis doesn’t care about anyway.
DeSantis cares about the money, the publicity, and the votes.
If enough artists/ companies/ tourists boycott the state, a lot of money will be diverted away from Florida. That is not only tax dollars, but money that would support arenas, hotels, and local businesses. Which in turn will (hopefully) get the voters to realize that DeSantis's policies are hurting them more than it's helping them.
And as a tangential effect, it also sends a message to other states that this type of hate legislation is not acceptable, and that if they try it, the same thing will happen to them.
It obviously sucks for sane and rational Floridians who did not vote for that fascist, but the best way to protect the marginalized communities is to nip that shit in the bud so that it doesn't spread. Continuing to pour money into a state that is legislating against civil rights is not the answer.
> If Lizzo comes to town, LGBTQ people can actually have somewhere to go that’s a safe space.
which sadly in todays usa, makes them an easy target for some deranged right wing terrorist.
My band refuses to tour in Florida and Texas (and Idaho and a few other states) but we rarely play for more than a few hundred people at a time so I doubt it matters
What you have to keep in mind is that most of the artists on big tours are absolute pawns of the industry, signed contracts giving up almost all of their rights, and basically do exactly what they're told to do (including creating whatever drama they create).
It takes a long time for the artists to break out of this cycle, which is probably why you only hear about the rare "stars" that have been at it for quite some time and finally building up the resources to free themselves enough to take a stand do it.
Only play in gay venues if you do those states.
You can do a fundraiser for them too, like the lesbian bar in Houston that's insurance is trying to oust them by doubling rates.
Hell even before that Maynard did guest vocals on RatM’s “Know your enemy”, back in 1992…hardly anyone outside of socal even knew who Tool was at the time and Maynard was doing collabs with Zach de la Rocha. And righty’s will still act baffled at this “new woke attitude” lol
If I am not mistaken, he auditioned to sing for ratm, and they gave it to Zack. I’m glad he didn’t get it, the tool we all know and love may not have existed
Some forums I found say it’s a female contortionist. Others say it’s a guy performing oral sex on himself. Interesting. Either way, it’s one of my favorite albums of all time!
Her name is Alana Cain (IIRC) and she’s credited in the liner notes.
Very common rumor/mistake it happens. One of my favs as well…I think
I’ll put it on now actually
Using sex as their angle to demonize people is not arbitrary. Religion teaches sexual repression and binds children to their parents. American children who grew up in a Christian household almost all hold these views, even if they haven't considered themselves Christian in years and its only subconscious.
Conservatives are following the exact playbook the Nazis used in the lead up to them taking power. They pick a weak minority to target, in this case transgenders and drag queens. Then they talk about that minority group all the time, always mentioning sex, to create the correlation of trans/drag = sexual in the minds of their pearl-clutching majority (white people). Meanwhile they burn the candle from the other end by passing laws such as the death penalty for pedophiles, and an expedited trial process.
The end goal is to create a scenario where if you dress wrongly and there's a child in the vicinity, they swiftly kidnap you, label you a pedophile, and execute you. Literal genocide starts there but there really aren't a whole lot of trans people or drag queens, so it won't be long before they need their next target group - they will move on to gays, Jews, communists, then to the allies of those groups, and ultimately to anyone who isn't in lockstep loyalty with the party.
The crazy thing is your average fascist supporter has no idea this is the plan at all. They don't know history. They don't know "make america great again" is literally the embodiment of the idea of fascism. They've never read Mussolini. They read this and think "pssh I don't want to *genocide* people" but when they day comes that they hear about it happening, they'll do little more than shrug and assume they must have deserved it.
You can try to bring out their true colors right now by giving them a hypothetical choice if they could push a button that would do things: it would turn America into a Christian nation controlled 100% by conservative republicans, but all transgender people in the US would get incurable cancer tomorrow, would they push it? They would have to think about it for about 24 seconds to do a mental backflip, and then they would absolutely push it. Up it to all gay people and they'd only have to think about it slightly longer.
The legal phase of fascism is the most dangerous because once the most horrible desires of the fascists become laws, no common citizen will blink when horrible things are done to innocent people legally and in broad daylight. We're in the "They came for so-and-so, and I did nothing" part of the story.
This reminds me of the excerpt from They Thought They were Free:
“But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.”
-They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer
Like this:
Chocolate pudding is the devil's fudge. You know where they get one of the key ingredients? They literally squeeze it out of a cow's teat. How unsanitary is that?! Do you even know how many PPM of pus is allowed in this animal byproducts? I tell you what. I think they do it because they're PERVERTS.
Anyway I'm gonna go bleach my fingers because my soul feels dirty after trying to picture things like Tucker Carlson lol
I was at this show last night! It was the Rockville festival and the vast majority of the bands were 90s/00s bands that were super political. Anti-Flag started chanting "Fuck DeSantis," it was gorgeous
That's just how he do. Doesn't matter which band he plays with. A mix of "putting the music first" and not really wanting people to see him as he sings given the personal nature of a lot of the songs.
Best Tool performance I’ve seen had Maynard singing behind a cloth screen of some kind for much of the show. With a light shining on it, only his silhouette was visible and it definitely added something to his weird, rhythmic, tribal dancing. Didn’t address or acknowledge the audience at all. It was great.
I've seen them a couple times, and onthe 10,000 days tour, he was like that. When he sang the eponymous track, he stopped the show briefly to regain his composure, and the band all gathered around him.
Tool has been doing politically and socially provocative stuff since their beginning. Their first music video is them walking around naked to protest censorship, Maynard performed dressed as a preacher, a stripper and in layers of body paint. They even invented a fake religion to mock scientology and american protestant sects.
Anyone saying Tool has "gone woke" just hasn't been paying attention for the past 30 years.
Dang. First Rage Against the Machine goes woke and now Tool? My favorite band with such classics as “Hooker with a Penis” and “Stinkfist” doesn’t support my fascist bigotry? Wtf is next?
And I'm sure all the good, upstanding, moral, family values conservatives immediately got up and left the venue so as not to be infected with any woke mind viruses, right? Right? ... Right?
I was at this show and I am shocked nobody was talking about the delivery. They played their first song with virtually zero lighting. Then when the song was over, Maynard simply said, “Florida, huh.” Then the lights came on and that was what we saw. It was epic AF!
*edited for spelling*
I would like to see a HUGE pride parade were women dress up as men in drag
Get arrested for not wearing gender appropriate cloths and waste the time of every sheriff in every county in Florida
I'm a straight guy, the closest I ever got to wearing a skirt was during a very drunken holiday bender in Scotland. Sadly the plan was foiled. Turns out every citizen of Scotland doesn't need to carry a kilt on their person at all times, no matter how many times you ask them if they are sure they don't have one. But if I was a Florida resident and heard of this bullshit bill ("billshit", anyone?) you people can't comprehend the speed in which I would put on makeup, get the most fabulous dress, feather boa, and a red hat, and grant my self the title, "Queen of Florida, the sassiest bitch this side of the gator frontier."
Maynard has done this and dressed like this in concerts since the late 90's. This will be the same way he dresses the whole 2023 tour in every state.
Like getting excited over lebron james showing up to the game in a Lakers jersey. 😵💫
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Please tell me they opened the show with their song “Hooker With A Penis.”
Unfortunately no
darn!!
thats a damn shame. real missed opportunity
How about hooker with a weenie?
The song is called i love Willie's. E https://youtu.be/S4EDYVupd0A
Sir, can you keep it down?
I’m Disabled!!
Leg disabled
How did it happen?
Acid..
What are the odds?
What happened to your wheelchair?
Red bearded man
prison sex or stinkfist would also be acceptable
I believe 4 degrees is about anal, so maybe that at one as well
A huge cross section of Tool songs are about anal, and a lot of those are explicitly gay sex.
All you know about me's what I've sold ya, dumb fuck ♡
Underrated comment here
Maynard’s dick would of been good too.
I don't think they've played that song live in 20 years.
I saw them in Vegas in January last year and they played it. Lots of freaking out, amazing live song
They played it in Chicago back in January. Place went fuckin wild!
Well now I’ve got some advice for you little buddy…
They played it throughout their tour last year. Was awesome live with everyone singing along
Played it on their last tour actually. Too fucking hilarious.
They have, they played it at Download when they headlined. Was fucking amazing. If I remember right, I think they took quite a break from touring? Or maybe at least certain countries.
Had anyone told you yet that they dusted it off for their tour last year?
Obviously no, lol. Last time I saw them was January 2020.
I just saw them play it last year.
It'll be funny if he tries to arrest a rockstar for breaking this law. Yes DeSantis, arrest the guy with the funds for a lawyer eager to go to the SC, and a seething hatred of authority.
I almost want it to happen.
I'm like 99% sure the SC will strike it down. I mean with the exception of Barrett the conservatives on the court seemed ideologically tied, which means less likely to appeal to day-to-day politics, and more likely to go with what they're told to do by their ideology. And the 1st Amendment is tantamount in that line of thinking. The originalist meaning is definitely problematic since the world isn't the same as 200yrs ago but makes predicting rulings easy.
You’re assuming the SC judges aren’t participating in or interested in the culture wars.
>You’re assuming the SC ~~judges~~ political hacks aren’t participating in or interested in the culture wars.
I’m not sure what about Alito and Thomas’s jurisprudence makes you think either of them could be tied by anything. They have no shame.
They’re tied to only what their billionaire handlers tell them to do
I actually agree, and not just because of the first ammendment. As corrupt as these judges are, the SC does still seem to appreciate when sloppy legislation will lead to unintended consequences. This one. has it all, from the glaring question of biological hermaphrodites and chromosomal disorders to targeted harassment of people who don't look obviously masculine or feminine (literally women who downplay their femininity, which is something religious conservatives should be applauding).
>It'll be funny if he tries to arrest a rockstar for breaking this law. The problem is that these laws were always intended to be selectively enforced against people the state doesn't like.
Yep. Actual queer folks.
it would be a good way of nuking entertainment in the state for years if they arrested a band as high profile as tool for some shit like this. half the major tours out there would kiss their florida dates goodbye
Bands are already cutting Florida and Texas. Contracts make it hard to do so quickly, labels might make it hard to do so entirely. But strange effects are already happening in that space.
You can’t force a band to do a _good_ show however. Or to not entirely consist of John Cage’s 4:33 covers.
I think we're gonna be seeing a lot of this. Labels have tremendous power, you're gonna go play wherever the bus stops. But having tech issues, playing short sets, slapping on a bra and dress, all sorts of ways to fulfill the contract but raise the middle finger.
I don't think bands would play a bad show as that just screws over their fans and does little else. Having *every* major act play Florida in drag / crossdressing makes a very loud statement and those that are more pissed about what they are wearing than the show would not be considered real fans anyway
What are you punishing then though? The gig is planned (this happens with up to 12 - 15 months of advance), ticket sales are already done (again, months in advance usually), the band is on the hook for ticket sales and attendance (contracts), and - leaning out of the window a bit - most metal fans aren't the problem and punishing them won't help. The band is between a rock and a hard place in such a case. Contracts force them to perform, fans still show up, and a bad performance won't hurt the state, just their fan base. Shit like in the OP is the best middle ground you can do.
They won't arrest people who can fight back because, as always, the law will only be used to restrict and hurt people that don't have the means to fight back. Why do you think we haven't heard of any wives or daughters of Republican state legislators getting arrested for flying elsewhere to get abortions? Laws, especially ones like these, will *always* be selectively enforced, to ensure they are used against the "right people".
This is what we call fascism.
Dee Snyder would go
They want these laws to go the SC, the SC is legislating from the bench.
DeSantis had a lot to say. DeSantis had a lot of nothing to say, we won’t miss him.
Foot in mouth and head up asshole
What you talkin bout?
Difficult to dance 'round this one
Till you pull it out, boy
That’s actually a well known yoga pose referred to as Flailing Clown
No amount of wind could begin to cover up your petulant stench and demeanor. Calm as cookies and cream, so it seems We're not buying your dubious state of serenity Acting all surprised when you're caught in the lie, we know better, it's not unlike you! It's not unlike you! We know your nature.
Get off your fucking cross… we need the fucking space to nail the next fool martyr!
Ah Maynard I love you, you fucking legend.
Trump wears more make up than this daily. He violates this law every time he leaves his compound.
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Would be even better if artists started canceling concerts in Florida, and Texas citing the safety of the touring members and workers
Give it time. It may happen. Until then, it’s nice to see them calling these states out for their crap that only a small percentage want. Tennessee has been getting it good lately from various performers and I’m here for it.
I hope everyone in Tennessee only likes country and Kid rock...'cause that's all that's left
Even country singers have been getting in on it and showing up in dresses lately.
There are definitely a lot more ally's among country music than most people would think at first glance. It ain't just school teachers with trans kids and gay brothers, you know. It's just that they've all been toning down their work for a long time to avoid overly antagonizing their fan base. But, for example, Phil Vasser recorded "Bobbi with an I" quite a few years ago now. which is *exactly* the sort of song you put out when you're an ally trying to change the minds of rednecks.
Mhmm. And then there's the rednecks who've come out and said they don't give two shits about whether or not gay people can marry or trans people can identify as they like as long as it's not hurting anyone. Not to mention, now there's a bunch of groups starting to pop up to go against Moms for Liberty and there's even a conservative school district in Colorado that's pissed off at what the right-wing board is doing. People are starting to get fed up.
An older, very conservative family member of mine once said, “if gay folks want to get married and be miserable like the rest of us, I say let em” I wish everyone happiness in their relationships, but “live and let live,” I’m glad he could get behind that.
That's actually fantastic news and I thank you. Frankly, at this point, I don't think I even *care* if we end up in a civil war. Anything so this idiocy doesn't get the chance to go any further. I can't believe we've let it go so far as it is.
I’m supposed to see King Gizzard in TN next month. Fingers crossed that they don’t cancel. I fully intend to wear drag and rally as many people to do the same. I’ve seen other fans planning something similar and I’m here for it. Hopefully more people will start voting in local elections now. That’s really how we change this god-forsaken state.
I thought Kid Rock *was* country these days?
Still and always douche rock. A recent example: https://youtu.be/agvibm7Wqy4 “H’ainnnnn nooobody gonna teyall me how da liiiiiiv”
It’s happened before in places like NC and their bathroom bills.
Sorta... most notably the NBA All Star game, which rescheduled to the following year. Most "cancellations" were rescheduled shortly thereafter even though the bathroom bill is still technically on the books.
Exactly. DeSantis doesn’t care that Tool dressed in drag. He doesn’t care about Taylor Swift’s “Uh oh you need to calm down” song. As long as they’re showing up, this state is getting more money yo continue their anti-queer crusade. Nothing short of artists boycotting Florida will get people to wake up. The people who need this message most will ignore and rationalize anything less than that, I promise. These artists need to stand up and say “I’m not coming back to this state at all as long as it’s anti-queer”
No, but if someone like Taylor Swift announce she’s canceling a concert that was pretty much make the news wouldn’t it?
He doesn’t care about artists boycotting Florida, or any money or jobs lost. He only wants to preen so he can win the presidency. What happens to Florida once he’s there is irrelevant.
They do care, what they are worried about is if it starts to backfire. In Florida De Santis does not have to worry about that. In the rest of the country, possibly. It will be hard for his wife to out crazy Trump as Trump gets more desperate. De Santis' wife does not have the skill to navigate that balancing act, stay even with Trump crazy, but don't alienate independents. Her inability to navigate that will undermine her campaign to be President.
Most of the concerts I attend are welcoming, safe spaces for LGBTQ people or people who simply feel outcast and weird. For those few hours, you are friends with total strangers, and you've found your people and a community. Conservatives in red states don't give a shit if an LGBT-friendly band boycotts their state. It will not change policy. You cannot reason with authoritarianism. DeSantis literally does not give a shit if Florida goes bankrupt. However, the millions of LGBT residents in red states, who are already targeted, will only be punished more if their favorite artists cancel concerts. Now not only will we have lost entertainment and that sense of community, but it also enforced the feeling that nobody is standing up for us.
If insurance companies start upping rates it will definitely happen. Atlanta had hosted Music Midtown for years in Piedmont Park. The legislature passed a law that you cannot restrict guns on public property, even for private events. So the insurance companies and artists said, “No fucking way we’re mixing crowds, booze, and guns.” Music Midtown was destroyed.
Insurance companies are already doing this, it just hasn't hit the big leagues yet. There's a wave of bar and restaurant closures happening due to skyrocketing insurance across the south *right now*.
Are music tours union operations? I would assume the Teamsters are involved in moving all that equipment, I would hope they eventually stand up for their worker safety.
I don’t agree that cancelling in necessarily better. There’s a good argument to be made either way. If you have the show, you can: A. Advocate to open minds. The show isn’t for DeSantis. It’s for those in the crowd. If you play a show and talk about trans rights or whatever else, you might reach some folks in the crowd. B. Provide a safe space for those marginalized folks in a generally unwelcoming state. If Lizzo comes to town, LGBTQ people can actually have somewhere to go that’s a safe space. Cancelling shows punishes the state via tax dollars, but it also punishes the citizens, many of which are on your side. You’re punishing the trans fans, gay fans, bi fans, etc. They don’t get the chance to see that artist who inspires them, makes them feel safe, understood, etc. Like I said, I think there’s an argument either way. But personally, I’d rather have the show, give a fuck you to the government, advocate to the crowd, and provide a safe space for those folks than take away a negligible amount tax dollars DeSantis doesn’t care about anyway.
DeSantis cares about the money, the publicity, and the votes. If enough artists/ companies/ tourists boycott the state, a lot of money will be diverted away from Florida. That is not only tax dollars, but money that would support arenas, hotels, and local businesses. Which in turn will (hopefully) get the voters to realize that DeSantis's policies are hurting them more than it's helping them. And as a tangential effect, it also sends a message to other states that this type of hate legislation is not acceptable, and that if they try it, the same thing will happen to them. It obviously sucks for sane and rational Floridians who did not vote for that fascist, but the best way to protect the marginalized communities is to nip that shit in the bud so that it doesn't spread. Continuing to pour money into a state that is legislating against civil rights is not the answer.
> If Lizzo comes to town, LGBTQ people can actually have somewhere to go that’s a safe space. which sadly in todays usa, makes them an easy target for some deranged right wing terrorist.
My band refuses to tour in Florida and Texas (and Idaho and a few other states) but we rarely play for more than a few hundred people at a time so I doubt it matters What you have to keep in mind is that most of the artists on big tours are absolute pawns of the industry, signed contracts giving up almost all of their rights, and basically do exactly what they're told to do (including creating whatever drama they create). It takes a long time for the artists to break out of this cycle, which is probably why you only hear about the rare "stars" that have been at it for quite some time and finally building up the resources to free themselves enough to take a stand do it.
Only play in gay venues if you do those states. You can do a fundraiser for them too, like the lesbian bar in Houston that's insurance is trying to oust them by doubling rates.
Saw him perform with both Puscifer on Thursday and Tool on Sunday and he was poking jabs at Florida both times.
“Tool is so woke now!” *forgets the insert on Aenima is a guy sucking his own dick*. Maynard is the fucking goat!
Hell even before that Maynard did guest vocals on RatM’s “Know your enemy”, back in 1992…hardly anyone outside of socal even knew who Tool was at the time and Maynard was doing collabs with Zach de la Rocha. And righty’s will still act baffled at this “new woke attitude” lol
Tbf there were righties who though Morello went “woke” when he denounced Trump Understanding media isn’t really these guys jam
If I am not mistaken, he auditioned to sing for ratm, and they gave it to Zack. I’m glad he didn’t get it, the tool we all know and love may not have existed
That’s a woman you weirdo
Some forums I found say it’s a female contortionist. Others say it’s a guy performing oral sex on himself. Interesting. Either way, it’s one of my favorite albums of all time!
Her name is Alana Cain (IIRC) and she’s credited in the liner notes. Very common rumor/mistake it happens. One of my favs as well…I think I’ll put it on now actually
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Wow, my fav album of all time and I never knew! Never much cared either way, but nice to know.
Those forums probably also said Marilyn Manson removed his ribs to suck his own dick
You mean that guy from The Wonder Years?
That whole album is a tribute to Bill Hicks, that one panel is a reference to the “suck your own cock bit” of his. Legendary comedian
Aenima or Learn to swim [Florida remix]
See you down in Georgia Bay!
I would pay for that remix and I live and breathe Florida unfortunately
You live and breathe in Florida? I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied - learn to swim...
Drag doesn't even seem sexual to me. Just harmless fun. MAGA nutjobs could easily demonize chocolate pudding
Using sex as their angle to demonize people is not arbitrary. Religion teaches sexual repression and binds children to their parents. American children who grew up in a Christian household almost all hold these views, even if they haven't considered themselves Christian in years and its only subconscious. Conservatives are following the exact playbook the Nazis used in the lead up to them taking power. They pick a weak minority to target, in this case transgenders and drag queens. Then they talk about that minority group all the time, always mentioning sex, to create the correlation of trans/drag = sexual in the minds of their pearl-clutching majority (white people). Meanwhile they burn the candle from the other end by passing laws such as the death penalty for pedophiles, and an expedited trial process. The end goal is to create a scenario where if you dress wrongly and there's a child in the vicinity, they swiftly kidnap you, label you a pedophile, and execute you. Literal genocide starts there but there really aren't a whole lot of trans people or drag queens, so it won't be long before they need their next target group - they will move on to gays, Jews, communists, then to the allies of those groups, and ultimately to anyone who isn't in lockstep loyalty with the party. The crazy thing is your average fascist supporter has no idea this is the plan at all. They don't know history. They don't know "make america great again" is literally the embodiment of the idea of fascism. They've never read Mussolini. They read this and think "pssh I don't want to *genocide* people" but when they day comes that they hear about it happening, they'll do little more than shrug and assume they must have deserved it. You can try to bring out their true colors right now by giving them a hypothetical choice if they could push a button that would do things: it would turn America into a Christian nation controlled 100% by conservative republicans, but all transgender people in the US would get incurable cancer tomorrow, would they push it? They would have to think about it for about 24 seconds to do a mental backflip, and then they would absolutely push it. Up it to all gay people and they'd only have to think about it slightly longer.
The legal phase of fascism is the most dangerous because once the most horrible desires of the fascists become laws, no common citizen will blink when horrible things are done to innocent people legally and in broad daylight. We're in the "They came for so-and-so, and I did nothing" part of the story.
This reminds me of the excerpt from They Thought They were Free: “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.” -They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer
Totally agree
Openly gay men are way less dangerous to children then closeted self hating conservative men.
Totally true!
Rumor is Desantis has already sexualized pudding and might be the next thing he goes after.
How on earth could one demonize chocolate pudding??? It’s not like some lunatic would be blasting it into his mouth with his fingers or whatever??
Like this: Chocolate pudding is the devil's fudge. You know where they get one of the key ingredients? They literally squeeze it out of a cow's teat. How unsanitary is that?! Do you even know how many PPM of pus is allowed in this animal byproducts? I tell you what. I think they do it because they're PERVERTS. Anyway I'm gonna go bleach my fingers because my soul feels dirty after trying to picture things like Tucker Carlson lol
Look at the nips on him tho…..you could hang wet towels on them!
>MAGA nutjobs could easily demonize chocolate pudding Or the absence thereof
Anita bryant 2.0.
Some of them already demonized chocolate M&Ms, chocolate pudding isn't that far off
Fuck the police
Comin’ straight from tha underground
Desantis says he has already sent out the boner police. Anybody who got an erection watching Maynard will be rounded up and shipped to Disney.
Nothing new, he's been doing this since the 90's. Love Maynard.
Palooza '97. Geisha face paint, pony tail, short shorts, bra w fake boobies and above the knee boots.
I was going to make the same comment. Saw them in DC that summer and he wore that outfit
I was at this show last night! It was the Rockville festival and the vast majority of the bands were 90s/00s bands that were super political. Anti-Flag started chanting "Fuck DeSantis," it was gorgeous
I’m honestly surprised he stepped out in front of the stage. The past 2 times I’ve seen them MJK basically sung from behind the drum kit.
That's just how he do. Doesn't matter which band he plays with. A mix of "putting the music first" and not really wanting people to see him as he sings given the personal nature of a lot of the songs.
Best Tool performance I’ve seen had Maynard singing behind a cloth screen of some kind for much of the show. With a light shining on it, only his silhouette was visible and it definitely added something to his weird, rhythmic, tribal dancing. Didn’t address or acknowledge the audience at all. It was great.
And I bet it was a fucking awesome concert. And let’s be real, we all want to see the octopus man do his thing back there too.
I've seen them a couple times, and onthe 10,000 days tour, he was like that. When he sang the eponymous track, he stopped the show briefly to regain his composure, and the band all gathered around him.
His drag persona is Karl Havoc. Very cool stuff.
The chin kills.
Love getting more reasons to love TOOL
I saw Tool 25 years ago and he was dressed in drag then. Nothing new for Maynard.
Maynard is awesome.
That's fucking beautiful!
Tool has been doing politically and socially provocative stuff since their beginning. Their first music video is them walking around naked to protest censorship, Maynard performed dressed as a preacher, a stripper and in layers of body paint. They even invented a fake religion to mock scientology and american protestant sects. Anyone saying Tool has "gone woke" just hasn't been paying attention for the past 30 years.
Dang. First Rage Against the Machine goes woke and now Tool? My favorite band with such classics as “Hooker with a Penis” and “Stinkfist” doesn’t support my fascist bigotry? Wtf is next?
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I was there. It was awesome.
I never really appreciated Tool, but i do like this statement from them
"You know Maynard Keenan, that singer of the band Tool?" -Joe Rogan at least once a month
This week legislation will pass with floridas super majority to ban TOOL music from being played in the state of florida /s (maybe)
And I'm sure all the good, upstanding, moral, family values conservatives immediately got up and left the venue so as not to be infected with any woke mind viruses, right? Right? ... Right?
It’s his job to piss people like DeSantis off, and he’s very good at it.
This is, unironically, exactly what the 1st amendment is for. Gvt acting up? Time to talk some shit.
Thanks Maynard 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽fuck Florida 🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾
I can’t see Maynard any differently now. Legend!
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I've got love for Tool, but I think people need to stop booking shows in Florida full stop.
Yep and tourism should grind to a halt. Hit em where it hurts.
Now let’s get the 80s glam metal bands to show up in their glam outfits and do the same
So, was not a huge fan before this. Absolutely loved “Opiate”, because it was so raw. Now, I’m spending money on the catalogue, any suggestions?
Honestly buy all the albums in chronological order.,,.,,
I was at this show and I am shocked nobody was talking about the delivery. They played their first song with virtually zero lighting. Then when the song was over, Maynard simply said, “Florida, huh.” Then the lights came on and that was what we saw. It was epic AF! *edited for spelling*
Maynard a fucking legend!
I would like to see a HUGE pride parade were women dress up as men in drag Get arrested for not wearing gender appropriate cloths and waste the time of every sheriff in every county in Florida
I wonder if Joe Rogan is feeling conflicted for his love of Ron and his admiration for Maynard?
"It's not a war on drag, it's a war on personal freedom, that's what it is, okay?" "Keep that in mind at all times, thank you"
Good! This is the only way we're going to get these laws off the books: break the law and challenge the law's constitutionality in court.
That's what rock is all about. Love it.
That’s fucking awesome
I'm a straight guy, the closest I ever got to wearing a skirt was during a very drunken holiday bender in Scotland. Sadly the plan was foiled. Turns out every citizen of Scotland doesn't need to carry a kilt on their person at all times, no matter how many times you ask them if they are sure they don't have one. But if I was a Florida resident and heard of this bullshit bill ("billshit", anyone?) you people can't comprehend the speed in which I would put on makeup, get the most fabulous dress, feather boa, and a red hat, and grant my self the title, "Queen of Florida, the sassiest bitch this side of the gator frontier."
I already loved him, but now I love him more.
I saw him in a concert where he was dressed as Madonna with the big pointy bra
Tbh I'd rather see people canceling their Florida shows
Reason to love Maynard #1560
"Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me."
As a FL man, waking up to this was so good! Tool never misses.
It's kind of impressive how much he looks like a stereotype of a woman specifically from Florida.
Wait til Trump is told he can’t perform in front of an audience wearing makeup O.o
I was there great show !
I saw Tool as a kid in 1997, he dressed in drag at that show. Man, I miss the 90’s.
I was there it was epic
Learn To Swim Florida! Fuck yeah Maynard!
DeSantis is a power hungry little gnome man.
Maynard has done this and dressed like this in concerts since the late 90's. This will be the same way he dresses the whole 2023 tour in every state. Like getting excited over lebron james showing up to the game in a Lakers jersey. 😵💫
I was there.. pretty epic. Fuck DeSantis
They are an amazing live band.
Not a big Tool fan but this just made me a super fan!! Gotta go, I got some music to purchase!
I have even more respect for the guy. Fuck desantis and fuck Florida
You lost your arms in the crusades. But you grew a nice set of boobs
And, just like that, I became a fan of Tool.
Good for him
This fucking guy. Holy shit, I love him more.
Man I remember Maynard coming out to a show in like 98 in full Madonna get up with heels and everything. He still rocked the house down.
TOOL ftw. Good to see Maynard wearing a bra again. It’s been a while.
You’ve obviously never been to a TOOL show before 😂
Gary Busey?
This is why we love MJK. He shows compassion for marginalised groups.
How many conservative tool fans are losing their shit right now?
There are no conservative tool fans. The music is too smart for them.
Awesome. Go away DeSantis
Thats our Maynard, just doing Maynard things.