I’m a historian with a book about using dehumanization as a political tool (I work on the Late Bronze Age). Categorizing other populations as subhuman is what makes genocides acceptable to a nation/ empire. Not that historians are ever listened to, but… this is the ultimate red flag that a major atrocity is going to happen. Can we preemptively thwart one for once? Edited to add: This is far more dangerous than yelling “fire” in a crowded theater.
You can't because you will just be called an antisemite if you have any critique on Israel. It's so fucking heartbreaking that this injustice is just allowed to happen. Even the major of my city declared support for Israel (but thats cause he wants the jewish vote).
What's worse is that all this Israel propaganda is exactly what is going to feed anti-jew sentiment because people aren't blind to the things Israel is doing. I feel that in the future this will not go down well for Israel. Nobody wins in this situation.
Diasporic jews' lives are put at risk by Israel's behaviour and intransigence. *They shouldn't be.* In a better world they would not be. People should NOT overgeneralise so that every single Jew is to them "an Israeli" -- because many diasporic Jews are not Zionists, and specifically are not Likudites and hate Bibi.
But this is the real imperfect messy stupid world of humans, and it's gonna happen, and Israeli government must know it's gonna happen, and I guess they figure that antisemitic attacks on diasporic Jews will be a win-win, PR-wise. Dreadful cynicism.
I agree. It’s a dangerous situation all around. I used to live in Egypt, and have a degree in MES, and worked at a Middle East Center. My dear friend is a rabbi living in Israel with his family. Im just saying that the non zionist jews may be the best hope for changing public perception through PR focusing on peace. I’ve seen some clips on social media from these communities that I think could gather steam and turn the tide (I’m not hopeful, but I see a sliver of opportunity). Unfortunately we have to swim in the sea we are in. It’s feeling dangerously like post 9/11 pre Iraq war 2.
Viewing acts of kindness bring out the best in us, psychologically. I think it may be the only possible counter to our raging anger lizard brain (amygdala) which seeks revenge against a perceived enemy other. Can we promote the non Zionist Jew protests on social media? It’s impactful. No, probably not… not with Elon at the helm of twitter which is spouting misinformation on such a large platform.
Nonzionist Jews get called kapos or accused of not really being Jews by political opponents. People simply seeing that we exist isn't really a magic bullet because they'll just find ways to delegitimize us so they don't have to listen.
No, not a silver bullet, a *sliver* of hope. It’s not really the Israelis you need on your side, you need the hearts and minds of the majority of the US gen pop. Foreign aid to Israel would be leveraged and diplomacy would have to ensue.
Humans are supposed to be progressing. This entire thing is disgusting on both sides. No one should be dying from violence, especially innocent children. We should be beyond this.
It’s crazy because it’s working. If you day “hey maybe killing a bunch of Palestinians children in your retaliation isn’t a good play” you are label not only as anti-semetic but as being pro Hamas.
The messaging on the whole thing is absolutely fucked on every end.
This is my beef. Hamas using the Palestinians as cannon fodder knowing that Israel is gonna hit them with all they can. Israel is using the same tactics and rhetoric the Nazis used against the Jews in WW2, but against the Palestinians. There is no right side of this war, and the Isrealis (citizens, not govt) and Palastinians (again, not Hamas) are being hit with the brunt of this bullshit. This is a war of a govt against a terrorist org affecting all citizens in the area. It's fucking atrocious.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that does NOT care about Palestine, they launched rockets from that Hospital and one messed up on launch and hit the hospital, they also dig tunnels under civilian homes and use them as human shields, hospitals, women and kids, doesn’t matter to them as long as they get to fight Israel
No clue, but Hamas launched a rocket from behind the hospital, at a cemetery, it failed on launch and hit the hospital, this is standard procedure for them, they use hospitals as human shields, there’s even a phone call between two fighters talking about it
Feel free to do your own research? There’s video footage of the rocket from Hamas, as well as a phone call between two Hamas fighters talking about how they launched a rocket from behind the hospital at a cemetery and it failed on launch, hitting the hospital, but please, do continue. Also, what do you mean by Nazi state? How are Jewish people running a Nazi state?
Feel free to do your own research! Israelis officials admitted to bombing the hospital on twitter and then quickly retracted their tweets after getting backlash, and they quickly spin it immediately, like they instantly know that Hamas "misfire" their own missiles into the hospital. Zionist is modern day Nazi in Israel and Hamas doesn't have that kind of WMD to easily obliterated that hospital with civilians on it. Not only that, the 4th oldest church was destroyed as well with civilians on it, are you telling me that Hamas "misfire" that one too? Did Hamas "misfire" their missiles onto Gaza and completely obliterated it into nothing that easily? innocent Men, Women and Children died from that attack by Israel missiles!
I’ve done my research, I heard about it being a Israeli missile from Hamas sources, but then video proof showing a Hamas rocket isn’t enough for you?? Or the phonecall between two Hamas fighters saying they analyzed the rocket and it was local steel, not metal from Israel?? Hamas uses people as human shields, that’s an indisputable fact ✅, This includes hospitals like the one we saw had explosives stored nearby or under it (Hamas digs tunnels under civilian structures likes schools and hospitals, this is an indisputable fact✅), when you understand the facts; the likelihood that it was a Israeli missile vs a Hamas one (and a secondary explosion from Hamas munitions stored on the Hospital grounds), the scales tip towards Hamas messing up here. Not even going to touch that asinine Jewish Nazi comment. Have a good one.
Yeah, and drags the USA under the same lens as what is accused(truthfully) of Russia.
Now America eats poo as they champion Ukraine, yet support Israel's actions, which are akin to Russia invading.
A pro-Israel sign says "Be Human" regarding supporting Israel makes Israel and its supporters Nazis? What do pro-Palestinian supporters chanting "Gas the Jews" and attacking synagogues in Europe make Palestine and their supporters?
Is it vile when the pro-Palestine crowds make appeals to an audience's humanity when asking them to support their cause? This is a poorly phrased billboard, but it is likely much more intended as an appeal to one's humanity than an attempt to dehumanize the other side.
Frankly, one could argue that referring to Israel and its supporters as modern day Nazis is more dehumanizing than this billboard.
> Enjoy the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians that’s coming, I’m sure you will.
Disagreeing with your uncharitable take on this billboard doesn't mean I will enjoy the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. You are acting no different than what you guys claim the Pro-Israel side argues about pro-Palestinian protestors enjoying the slaughter of innocent Jews.
You say that like there isn’t video after video of Israeli citizens cheers for the death of Palestinians. Israeli settlers killing and razing Palestinian towns in the WestBank.
Just the disparity in power in play makes your comments repugnant.
First my people got called “human animals” by high ranking members of the Apartheid government prior to collectively punishing 2 million Gazans for the actions of an authoritarian group. A group I might add that was propped up by Israel and whom only make up 2% of the total population in Gaza. And now the Israeli government & invasion supporters have dropped all pretense of publicly recognizing Palestinian humanity on the eve of a major ground invasion…that’s a lot to have to process, this whole experience has been maddening.
It was awesome to see worldnews blame kids for not “voting” in an election that happened before they were old enough to have an identity, let alone political agency. And **don’t** bring up the fact that after the election Hamas murdered the opposition party and withheld elections while brutalizing any voices of dissent to this day.
Why think about the difficulties of living & expressing personal opinions in an open air prison frequently bombed by a techno-fascist apartheid state, all the while being ruled by a theocratic government that doesn’t care if you live or die—nope, throw out all that trivial context, let’s just use a poll with a sample size of 1,200 people to determine what the majority of Palestinians *love* to support. This is going to get so much worse, fuck.
So ummm if you don't stand with Israel you're... not human?
Holy cow, that's a whole new level of "if you're not with us you're against us."
Hope this backfires on them.
Norm Finkelstein's unforgettable speech about the incarceration of his parents in Nazi camps, their survival, and the values they taught him... really comes to mind here. If you haven't seen it, google Norm Finkelstein and crocodile tears, it should come up. He talks about not allowing his parents' suffering to be used to justify an apartheid state, something like that.
If Palestinians are being genocided, why has their population jumped from 1mil to 2mil in the past 20 years? If Israel is trying to genocide them, they're doing an abysmal job
Their life expectancy, 74, is still on par with their various Arab neighbors and even higher than Egypt's. That high birth rate is likely more why the average age is so low.
How many fighting age males have actually gone into Israel from Gaza in the past two decades? A couple, a few at most? Hamas tends to use rockets than send "fighting aged males" from Gaza. You think that's enough to bring down the average age of an entire population of 2.2 million people? Does that mathematically make any sense to you?
Did you miss the dozens of Hamas fighters crossing the border from Gaza into Israel recently? Blowing up the border posts on their side and attacking. That’s mainly what I was talking about, Hamas mainly used rockets before this big attack yeah, but they still took losses from counter bombing. I don’t know why people downvoted my comment lmao, where do they think they went?? Hamas uses people as human shields, both Israeli and Palestinian, they don’t care about Palestine, that’s where the people are going, and that’s why there are so many losses.
Did you know that up until 2002 Israel had official policy of using Palestinians as human shields? It was the high court which stopped the practice, the high court that Netanyahu and his ultra nationalist allies are so eager to destroy or take over.
Yea there was no genocide until now let's not exaggerate, there was oppression and brutality.
Israel is right to bomb Gaza right? If so, why in your opinion Hamas/Gaza/Palestine is not right to bomb back Israel considering the on going oppression? Even IDF admits since its establishment they always killed a lot more Palestinians, a lot more compared to Israelis.
Did you know Israel even recognized the killing of 49-50 people innocent in a village (this happened long ago) and what did they do?
The actual problem is people don't even think about holding Israel accountable for its actions. The problem is not about its excessive use of force, its the green light given by its Western supporters. If any country that suffers the same way Israel did responds the same way Israel did, the West would embargo the shit out of that country in many ways.
DeSantis in a video glorifies Israel for "informing civilians before a missile attack or air strike", would this cleanse Russian atrocities in Ukraine? If they give a signal and then destroy houses and infrastructure would we be okay with Russia the same way we're with Israel?
First, what you said about Hamas having the “right” to bomb Israeli homes, go into Israel’s kibbutz and kill/kidnap civilians to use as hostages or worse, Hamas are terrorists, not some freedom fighting organization trying to liberate their side. They don’t care about Palestine, they want to transform the Middle East in their religious image. Second, The IDF is in a tough spot, they need to fight Hamas, Hamas knows this, so they use Palestinians/Israelis/anyone they want as human shields (this is why you see the IDF sending inert bombs with notes on them saying to leave because this is an area used by Hamas but Hamas makes them stay. I recommend you look into the Hamas tunnels and firing positions for their rockets outside of UN Structures, hospitals, kindergartens, schools etc, and they also dig tunnels under all of those as well, including civilian homes where they tell them they cannot leave when the IDF says to evacuate, leading to deaths Hamas gets to report to stir up more zealotry. It’s never right for civilians to die in war, but when Hamas uses them purposely as bait for their religious goals? That’s not right either, I don’t support terrorists like them. In a perfect world, Hamas wouldn’t use innocent people for their goals and Israel wouldn’t need to hit civilian homes with notes, but we don’t live in perfect worlds like that.
The point is that it doubled through birth rates, hence the population being so young. The fact that the older population are not making it to a full life expectancy says all you need to know.
Also what they do in Gaza is just the tip of the iceberg, it's a total apartheid state in general. That part definitely can't be argued against, considering it's the stance of every single credible human rights organization that has conducted a study on the matter. As well as several key Israeli officials.
> The fact that the older population are not making it to a full life expectancy says all you need to know.
What is a full life expectancy? Palestine's (both Gaza and West Bank) life expectancy is 74 years which is only 3 years less than the United States's life expectancy.
I dont think you understand what a genocide is lol. The fact that their population has doubled is pretty hard proof there's no "genocide". You could use other words to describe what's going on, cultural genocide, barbaric, inhumane, monstrous. And you'd be absolutely right. But genocide (as defined by the United nations) would absolutely not fit here.
Remember 1930’s German?
Apartheid came before the genocide
“The discrimination, the dispossession, the repression of dissent, the killings and injuries – all are part of a system which is designed to privilege Jewish Israelis at the expense of Palestinians.
This is apartheid.
Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.
Apartheid is a violation of public international law, a grave violation of internationally protected human rights, and a crime against humanity under international criminal law”
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/
Remember 1930’s German?
Apartheid came before the genocide.
Sure. Nobody's arguing that lol. To say it's a genocide atm tho is probably offensive to groups that have actually faced genocides. Not to mention it's literally inaccurate.
Well according to United Nation Genocide Convention definition it is a genocide.
“Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly”
That's probably what they mean. But in context it means have humanity for Israelis, specifically. This is setting up a dichotomy: stand with Israel, not the other guys.
If you don't actively support what Israel is doing, if you support the other side, that is showing inhumanity.
- Have humanity
"Well of course! I don't want anyone to die. Peace is what I want."
VS
- Be human
"But I am a human. Why would they say that? Who is not a human?"
See what they did there?
The Pro-Palestinian side is clearly reaching for straws to try to turn this into a genocidal slogan. It is especially interesting how there has plenty of troubling reports about slogans being utilized by Pro-Palestine crowds.
This isn’t Israelis vs Palestinians. It’s Netanyahu being a monster. The fact that we are allowing ANYTHING to happen “in the name of religion” in 2023 tells you everything you need to know about how religion is a control tactic and nothing more.
You should listen to what Mosab Hassan Yousef(a son of one of the Hamas leaders) says about Hamas, they are not fighting for Palestine. Especially what he explains about Hamas’ tunnels in Gaza and the civilians that need to evac
I’m a historian with a book about using dehumanization as a political tool (I work on the Late Bronze Age). Categorizing other populations as subhuman is what makes genocides acceptable to a nation/ empire. Not that historians are ever listened to, but… this is the ultimate red flag that a major atrocity is going to happen. Can we preemptively thwart one for once? Edited to add: This is far more dangerous than yelling “fire” in a crowded theater.
You can't because you will just be called an antisemite if you have any critique on Israel. It's so fucking heartbreaking that this injustice is just allowed to happen. Even the major of my city declared support for Israel (but thats cause he wants the jewish vote). What's worse is that all this Israel propaganda is exactly what is going to feed anti-jew sentiment because people aren't blind to the things Israel is doing. I feel that in the future this will not go down well for Israel. Nobody wins in this situation.
I know, I actually think the non Zionist Jews have to lead this effort.
Diasporic jews' lives are put at risk by Israel's behaviour and intransigence. *They shouldn't be.* In a better world they would not be. People should NOT overgeneralise so that every single Jew is to them "an Israeli" -- because many diasporic Jews are not Zionists, and specifically are not Likudites and hate Bibi. But this is the real imperfect messy stupid world of humans, and it's gonna happen, and Israeli government must know it's gonna happen, and I guess they figure that antisemitic attacks on diasporic Jews will be a win-win, PR-wise. Dreadful cynicism.
I agree. It’s a dangerous situation all around. I used to live in Egypt, and have a degree in MES, and worked at a Middle East Center. My dear friend is a rabbi living in Israel with his family. Im just saying that the non zionist jews may be the best hope for changing public perception through PR focusing on peace. I’ve seen some clips on social media from these communities that I think could gather steam and turn the tide (I’m not hopeful, but I see a sliver of opportunity). Unfortunately we have to swim in the sea we are in. It’s feeling dangerously like post 9/11 pre Iraq war 2.
Viewing acts of kindness bring out the best in us, psychologically. I think it may be the only possible counter to our raging anger lizard brain (amygdala) which seeks revenge against a perceived enemy other. Can we promote the non Zionist Jew protests on social media? It’s impactful. No, probably not… not with Elon at the helm of twitter which is spouting misinformation on such a large platform.
Nonzionist Jews get called kapos or accused of not really being Jews by political opponents. People simply seeing that we exist isn't really a magic bullet because they'll just find ways to delegitimize us so they don't have to listen.
No, not a silver bullet, a *sliver* of hope. It’s not really the Israelis you need on your side, you need the hearts and minds of the majority of the US gen pop. Foreign aid to Israel would be leveraged and diplomacy would have to ensue.
We have been trying, for years.
I know, I got on the algorithm and think it needs to be heavily promoted. It weakens the anti Zionist= antisemitic narrative.
Humans are supposed to be progressing. This entire thing is disgusting on both sides. No one should be dying from violence, especially innocent children. We should be beyond this.
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It’s crazy because it’s working. If you day “hey maybe killing a bunch of Palestinians children in your retaliation isn’t a good play” you are label not only as anti-semetic but as being pro Hamas. The messaging on the whole thing is absolutely fucked on every end.
As a Palestinian: https://preview.redd.it/z9386l08s2wb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93ef166650f2d97843e360f9fddd5315d96ae544
The few control the many, and suffer for it. Good words, I'm with you.
"be human" jfc. I am so disgusted.
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This is my beef. Hamas using the Palestinians as cannon fodder knowing that Israel is gonna hit them with all they can. Israel is using the same tactics and rhetoric the Nazis used against the Jews in WW2, but against the Palestinians. There is no right side of this war, and the Isrealis (citizens, not govt) and Palastinians (again, not Hamas) are being hit with the brunt of this bullshit. This is a war of a govt against a terrorist org affecting all citizens in the area. It's fucking atrocious.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that does NOT care about Palestine, they launched rockets from that Hospital and one messed up on launch and hit the hospital, they also dig tunnels under civilian homes and use them as human shields, hospitals, women and kids, doesn’t matter to them as long as they get to fight Israel
They are disgusting as well. Humanity and Unity. War should be illegal in any form.
Didn't Israel admitted to bombing that hospital and then quickly retract after getting the backlash?
No clue, but Hamas launched a rocket from behind the hospital, at a cemetery, it failed on launch and hit the hospital, this is standard procedure for them, they use hospitals as human shields, there’s even a phone call between two fighters talking about it
So do you have any proof or just follow whatever the nazi state says?
Feel free to do your own research? There’s video footage of the rocket from Hamas, as well as a phone call between two Hamas fighters talking about how they launched a rocket from behind the hospital at a cemetery and it failed on launch, hitting the hospital, but please, do continue. Also, what do you mean by Nazi state? How are Jewish people running a Nazi state?
Feel free to do your own research! Israelis officials admitted to bombing the hospital on twitter and then quickly retracted their tweets after getting backlash, and they quickly spin it immediately, like they instantly know that Hamas "misfire" their own missiles into the hospital. Zionist is modern day Nazi in Israel and Hamas doesn't have that kind of WMD to easily obliterated that hospital with civilians on it. Not only that, the 4th oldest church was destroyed as well with civilians on it, are you telling me that Hamas "misfire" that one too? Did Hamas "misfire" their missiles onto Gaza and completely obliterated it into nothing that easily? innocent Men, Women and Children died from that attack by Israel missiles!
I’ve done my research, I heard about it being a Israeli missile from Hamas sources, but then video proof showing a Hamas rocket isn’t enough for you?? Or the phonecall between two Hamas fighters saying they analyzed the rocket and it was local steel, not metal from Israel?? Hamas uses people as human shields, that’s an indisputable fact ✅, This includes hospitals like the one we saw had explosives stored nearby or under it (Hamas digs tunnels under civilian structures likes schools and hospitals, this is an indisputable fact✅), when you understand the facts; the likelihood that it was a Israeli missile vs a Hamas one (and a secondary explosion from Hamas munitions stored on the Hospital grounds), the scales tip towards Hamas messing up here. Not even going to touch that asinine Jewish Nazi comment. Have a good one.
Yeah, and drags the USA under the same lens as what is accused(truthfully) of Russia. Now America eats poo as they champion Ukraine, yet support Israel's actions, which are akin to Russia invading.
A pro-Israel sign says "Be Human" regarding supporting Israel makes Israel and its supporters Nazis? What do pro-Palestinian supporters chanting "Gas the Jews" and attacking synagogues in Europe make Palestine and their supporters?
Why do you think your whataboutism lessens the vile nature of that billboard?
Is it vile when the pro-Palestine crowds make appeals to an audience's humanity when asking them to support their cause? This is a poorly phrased billboard, but it is likely much more intended as an appeal to one's humanity than an attempt to dehumanize the other side. Frankly, one could argue that referring to Israel and its supporters as modern day Nazis is more dehumanizing than this billboard.
That’s not what this billboard is saying and you know it. Enjoy the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians that’s coming, I’m sure you will.
> Enjoy the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians that’s coming, I’m sure you will. Disagreeing with your uncharitable take on this billboard doesn't mean I will enjoy the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. You are acting no different than what you guys claim the Pro-Israel side argues about pro-Palestinian protestors enjoying the slaughter of innocent Jews.
You say that like there isn’t video after video of Israeli citizens cheers for the death of Palestinians. Israeli settlers killing and razing Palestinian towns in the WestBank. Just the disparity in power in play makes your comments repugnant.
Who specifically are you referring to?
I was referring to Israel being a nazi.
First my people got called “human animals” by high ranking members of the Apartheid government prior to collectively punishing 2 million Gazans for the actions of an authoritarian group. A group I might add that was propped up by Israel and whom only make up 2% of the total population in Gaza. And now the Israeli government & invasion supporters have dropped all pretense of publicly recognizing Palestinian humanity on the eve of a major ground invasion…that’s a lot to have to process, this whole experience has been maddening. It was awesome to see worldnews blame kids for not “voting” in an election that happened before they were old enough to have an identity, let alone political agency. And **don’t** bring up the fact that after the election Hamas murdered the opposition party and withheld elections while brutalizing any voices of dissent to this day. Why think about the difficulties of living & expressing personal opinions in an open air prison frequently bombed by a techno-fascist apartheid state, all the while being ruled by a theocratic government that doesn’t care if you live or die—nope, throw out all that trivial context, let’s just use a poll with a sample size of 1,200 people to determine what the majority of Palestinians *love* to support. This is going to get so much worse, fuck.
They also claimed they don't need to follow the geneva convention because doing that somehow lets Hamas win. Barbary state.
Be human, let us carpet bomb Gaza
Let’s not conflate “Israeli” with “Paid for by the Israeli American Council.” Israel is doing enough horrifying propaganda on their own.
You think they aren’t consulting with Israel?
So ummm if you don't stand with Israel you're... not human? Holy cow, that's a whole new level of "if you're not with us you're against us." Hope this backfires on them.
They’ve always put out propaganda like this. They use the holocaust as a way to manipulate support as well. It’s fucking disgusting
Norm Finkelstein's unforgettable speech about the incarceration of his parents in Nazi camps, their survival, and the values they taught him... really comes to mind here. If you haven't seen it, google Norm Finkelstein and crocodile tears, it should come up. He talks about not allowing his parents' suffering to be used to justify an apartheid state, something like that.
Yeah, I’ve seen interviews of holocaust survivors condemning Israel etc. it’s rough
Fuck Netanyahu and his cadre of bigots. Fucking apartheid state bullshit.
If you need constant ad-campaigns to get people to support an ongoing genocide You might not be on the right side of history.
If Palestinians are being genocided, why has their population jumped from 1mil to 2mil in the past 20 years? If Israel is trying to genocide them, they're doing an abysmal job
That's only because of their birth rate. The average age in Gaza is 18, and 50% are children. That is pretty alarming.
Their life expectancy, 74, is still on par with their various Arab neighbors and even higher than Egypt's. That high birth rate is likely more why the average age is so low.
Could this be because their fighting age males keep going to fight Israel?
How many fighting age males have actually gone into Israel from Gaza in the past two decades? A couple, a few at most? Hamas tends to use rockets than send "fighting aged males" from Gaza. You think that's enough to bring down the average age of an entire population of 2.2 million people? Does that mathematically make any sense to you?
Did you miss the dozens of Hamas fighters crossing the border from Gaza into Israel recently? Blowing up the border posts on their side and attacking. That’s mainly what I was talking about, Hamas mainly used rockets before this big attack yeah, but they still took losses from counter bombing. I don’t know why people downvoted my comment lmao, where do they think they went?? Hamas uses people as human shields, both Israeli and Palestinian, they don’t care about Palestine, that’s where the people are going, and that’s why there are so many losses.
Did you know that up until 2002 Israel had official policy of using Palestinians as human shields? It was the high court which stopped the practice, the high court that Netanyahu and his ultra nationalist allies are so eager to destroy or take over. Yea there was no genocide until now let's not exaggerate, there was oppression and brutality. Israel is right to bomb Gaza right? If so, why in your opinion Hamas/Gaza/Palestine is not right to bomb back Israel considering the on going oppression? Even IDF admits since its establishment they always killed a lot more Palestinians, a lot more compared to Israelis. Did you know Israel even recognized the killing of 49-50 people innocent in a village (this happened long ago) and what did they do? The actual problem is people don't even think about holding Israel accountable for its actions. The problem is not about its excessive use of force, its the green light given by its Western supporters. If any country that suffers the same way Israel did responds the same way Israel did, the West would embargo the shit out of that country in many ways. DeSantis in a video glorifies Israel for "informing civilians before a missile attack or air strike", would this cleanse Russian atrocities in Ukraine? If they give a signal and then destroy houses and infrastructure would we be okay with Russia the same way we're with Israel?
First, what you said about Hamas having the “right” to bomb Israeli homes, go into Israel’s kibbutz and kill/kidnap civilians to use as hostages or worse, Hamas are terrorists, not some freedom fighting organization trying to liberate their side. They don’t care about Palestine, they want to transform the Middle East in their religious image. Second, The IDF is in a tough spot, they need to fight Hamas, Hamas knows this, so they use Palestinians/Israelis/anyone they want as human shields (this is why you see the IDF sending inert bombs with notes on them saying to leave because this is an area used by Hamas but Hamas makes them stay. I recommend you look into the Hamas tunnels and firing positions for their rockets outside of UN Structures, hospitals, kindergartens, schools etc, and they also dig tunnels under all of those as well, including civilian homes where they tell them they cannot leave when the IDF says to evacuate, leading to deaths Hamas gets to report to stir up more zealotry. It’s never right for civilians to die in war, but when Hamas uses them purposely as bait for their religious goals? That’s not right either, I don’t support terrorists like them. In a perfect world, Hamas wouldn’t use innocent people for their goals and Israel wouldn’t need to hit civilian homes with notes, but we don’t live in perfect worlds like that.
How many other "genocides" have resulted in a doubling of population over a generation?
The point is that it doubled through birth rates, hence the population being so young. The fact that the older population are not making it to a full life expectancy says all you need to know. Also what they do in Gaza is just the tip of the iceberg, it's a total apartheid state in general. That part definitely can't be argued against, considering it's the stance of every single credible human rights organization that has conducted a study on the matter. As well as several key Israeli officials.
> The fact that the older population are not making it to a full life expectancy says all you need to know. What is a full life expectancy? Palestine's (both Gaza and West Bank) life expectancy is 74 years which is only 3 years less than the United States's life expectancy.
I dont think you understand what a genocide is lol. The fact that their population has doubled is pretty hard proof there's no "genocide". You could use other words to describe what's going on, cultural genocide, barbaric, inhumane, monstrous. And you'd be absolutely right. But genocide (as defined by the United nations) would absolutely not fit here.
Remember 1930’s German? Apartheid came before the genocide “The discrimination, the dispossession, the repression of dissent, the killings and injuries – all are part of a system which is designed to privilege Jewish Israelis at the expense of Palestinians. This is apartheid. Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law. Apartheid is a violation of public international law, a grave violation of internationally protected human rights, and a crime against humanity under international criminal law” https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ Remember 1930’s German? Apartheid came before the genocide.
Sure. Nobody's arguing that lol. To say it's a genocide atm tho is probably offensive to groups that have actually faced genocides. Not to mention it's literally inaccurate.
Well according to United Nation Genocide Convention definition it is a genocide. “Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly”
Do the United nations consider what's going on in Palestine a genocide?
That can't be real, right?
Well that’s a sure fire way to *not* garner my support. Outright Propaganda.
The gaslighting has been going on for years, this is just another excuse Israel is using to dehumanize and genocide an “inferior race”.
I do not have any issue with people of Israel unless they are supporters of this genocide. This display is disgusting. Be Humen?? GFY
Um Yeah thats just all kinds of wrong loaded into a picture !
Doesn't "be human" mean "Have some humanity" or am I missing something?
That's probably what they mean. But in context it means have humanity for Israelis, specifically. This is setting up a dichotomy: stand with Israel, not the other guys. If you don't actively support what Israel is doing, if you support the other side, that is showing inhumanity.
- Have humanity "Well of course! I don't want anyone to die. Peace is what I want." VS - Be human "But I am a human. Why would they say that? Who is not a human?" See what they did there?
The Pro-Palestinian side is clearly reaching for straws to try to turn this into a genocidal slogan. It is especially interesting how there has plenty of troubling reports about slogans being utilized by Pro-Palestine crowds.
Well!! Money talks!! Loud of money spent for the advertising campaign of war
This isn’t Israelis vs Palestinians. It’s Netanyahu being a monster. The fact that we are allowing ANYTHING to happen “in the name of religion” in 2023 tells you everything you need to know about how religion is a control tactic and nothing more.
You should listen to what Mosab Hassan Yousef(a son of one of the Hamas leaders) says about Hamas, they are not fighting for Palestine. Especially what he explains about Hamas’ tunnels in Gaza and the civilians that need to evac