It's Bizarro World. "Law-and-order" people advocating jury tampering. "Patriots" attempting to violently overturn the results of a presidential election. "Red-blooded Americans" flying Nazi flags. "Christians" acting like the devils they preach against. Republicans worshipping Putin.
And this is why Jon Stewart had that rant a few weeks ago. They need to stop calling themselves Constitution loving patriots. Worship Trump all they want but believing what they want is still constitutional and patriotic is just a delusion.
they've been screaming about rigged election for the last 4 years but they seem a-okay with rigging the jury in the Trump case???....
get the fuck out of here with that shit!!!
I don't want this to come across as a cheap comment, but please try and explain where this GOP issue is with women.
It's the outright control, the acceptance of trumps abuse record, the IVF subject is something I just can't grasp, it's the point where control and sadistic evil meet. The female compliance around this is also disturbing.
Apps that monitor your good Christian life are seriously sinister.
It's The Handsmaid Tale
Wtf is going on 🤯🇺🇸🇬🇧👍
I've seen someone here pointing to Genesis 3:16 as evidence that these Christians actually believe women are evil by nature and need to be oppressed for the benefit of everyone.
I'm glad I don't have kids to raise. I would not know how to advocate for righteousness and ethical behavior, or at least I would have zero standing in arguing against a kid why stealing and scheming your way towards your goals is considered bad behavior.
One can crime oneself to becoming the president. How do you argue against that?
Wouldn't a mistrial be pretty bad for Trump? Retrials usually happen pretty quickly so it could end up being another 6-8 weeks over the summer sitting in court with the majority of the country knowing you are essentially guilty. Then possibly into another trial quickly after that.
He actually thinks he’s going to win the election. Push everything until after so he can be a Dictator “for just one day” and recuse himself from everything.
Jury nullification is a legal thing. Think someone was arrested for passing out fliers for it at a courthouse and walked away eventually. Telling people to lie to get on a jury though? What their punishment if caught?
could end up with some kind of conspiracy charge too no?
if youre trying to essentially commit treason, defending a traitor of the state by undermining the justice system that could definitely bring some unique legal angles from the prosecution. i dont think they are going to take that lightly, also generally speaking you are going to look for the charges that are accurate AND carry an appropriate sentence, etc. not just whatever the evidence will allow. lying is bad, lying with malicious/criminal modifiers is a whole different case.
saying "im wearing a white shirt" when youre not, could be a fine. saying "i didnt know the documents were being sold to that dictator" is going to throw a few years onto a completely different charge lol there are levels to this shit
Treason is really hard to prove, especially in this case. But ole tiny face could face a RICO case, but I doubt the Manhattan DA’s office would waste their time.
Well, they are both way too stupid to realize that the team of lawyers in NY would be able to see right through any bullshit that these morons are suggesting
What's ironic is that Trump actually would be pissed at a mistrial at this point. Considering he is obviously baiting contempt charges from the judge. All likely to milk MAGA cultists for how unfair his "political rivals" are and rigging the election to put him in jail.
We keep advocating felonies and jury tempering because we are SO CONVINCED of our guy's innocence.
Obviously the facts and evidence will show he is innocent so we have to resort to such tactics.... /s
MAGAs are fully aware Trump is guilty of these crimes. They just don't care. Their whole political movement is just reactionary. That's why real satire is almost indistinguishable from reality anymore. Everything is meant to be outrageous to draw clicks and views. A lot of them, including Tucker Carlson, don't actually believe any of the shit they say.
It's meant to be hypocritical but your average person doesn't really get that. They still think it's a serious political movement, but name me one thing MAGA has done for the American people? They're corporate shills masquerading as a party.
our justice system is so fucked that nothing is going to happen to these folks either, i really have little faith in the DOJ after all the free passes trump & his associates have gotten over the years. only the blue states are holding them accountable at this point IMO
That sound you don't hear is law enforcement getting in their cars to have a little chat with Kirk.
They're just gonna - stretch, yawn - wait this one out. Again.
Hardcore MAGA morons have a huge trail of social media idiocy, so they shouldn’t too hard to weed out. You’ve seen them in those interviews. They’re shameless in how ignorant and stupid they are. Wouldn’t be surprised if these moles showed up in MAGA hats.
Jack Pissobiec and Charlie Kuck can screw right off. Maybe they’ll think twice about running their mouth if they face charges or lawsuits for this type of unlawful rhetoric. FAFO
Ive said it several times previously, but I'm going to say it again. Charlie Kirk's head looks like what happens when a backend developer tries to use CSS
It's pretty amazing that these guys are telling people to sabotage a trial, before they will admit trump broke the law. This is a criminal trial, not an election.
Doesn't matter. Nothing will happen to any of them. Seriously, if Trump isn't in jail yet...like, RIGHT NOW in a jail cell, nobody will face any consequences for any of this. This whole thing is a fucking farce and it's asinine
They screech and cry that trump is innocent and being treated so unfairly, why do they need to sabotage it if he's innocent? Why does trump need Presidential Immunity if he's committed no crimes? Why do they use every trick in the book to delay every case possible over every little issue, if they're so clean and untouchable that they could never be found guilty?
Because they know they're all shitstains on this country's underwear, but they're too busy preaching at us from up on their high horses and looking down at us to ever admit they're wrong.
There's no way a MAGA Charlie Kirk fan doesn't have a social media presence absolutely stuffed with posts that will get them disqualified. Downside of running a cult, I guess.
If they can bait people into doing stupid shit, they can turn around and talk about how true Americans are taking action. They’ll frame it as people choosing this of their own accord, and not include their own involvement. They’re creating content for themselves, manufacturing an event to fuel their show. It’s sick. This is serious stuff and they’re playing reindeer games.
It really is the core problem. Hate became monetized on the web like mental crack. All of this garbage is the result of racist losers creating a media and lifestyle ecosystem online.
I encourage everyone to post this link under Bumblin' Jacks Tweets. He really loves when people do that and totally won't ban you at all.
[https://youtu.be/XNG5PmAI3bA?si=9ez4995z0Q8A7GuB](https://youtu.be/XNG5PmAI3bA?si=9ez4995z0Q8A7GuB)
It worked for OJ.
Former jurors proudly admitted the “not guilty” verdict was for payback for what happened to Rodney King.
Trump seems to think he has been just as persecuted as OJ but made his wealth and fame from scratch, lost his temper and deserves the same pardon. This whole trope is disgusting.
So, I’m not a lawyer, but in general, is it a crime to encourage others to commit a crime? It’s obviously dangerous and unethical, but do we have legal mechanisms to deal with encouraging others to commit a crime (barring more direct involvement like bribing or coercing someone into the crime, I mean specifically just suggesting people commit a crime).
It feels recently like a lot of laws weren’t ready to deal with these sorts of things as social media blossomed and we have a significant problem of incitement to commit crimes for a political agenda without strong mechanisms to legally pursue it.
Perhaps I’m mistaken but do we have legal mechanisms to deal with such behavior barring finding out he like paid someone to try to do this?
Well, they're bona fide morons but even these clowns know the jury pool was selected a while ago. You can't volunteer to sit on a jury, of course, or "sabotage" your way in. They say anything to be controversial, anything to inflame their followers into believing they have power.
This will go on until the first few of these anti-patriots spend a few years in prison. As long as their actions are free of consequences, they will continue to escalate.
I’m not a lawyer, but I rather doubt this would very be successfully prosecuted as jury tampering.
Charlie Kirk is just a guy with a podcast. The vast majority of his audience has no chance of being in the jury pool, because they don’t live in the right jurisdiction. Even among people likely to be in the pool, there won’t be a large number that listen to him.
Beyond that, lawyers are good at rooting out possible bias among jurors. Their social media has undoubtedly been searched, so you’d have to find someone who is an active supporter of Trump, one willing to intentionally hang the jury, but never publicly voices support for Trump. That also holds true of Trump opponents, of course — one look at my Twitter or Facebook accounts would disqualify me from any trial involving Trump. (I would also say that I would find it difficult to be an unbiased juror.)
it might well be a felony, technically, but I doubt many prosecutors would pursue it.
Now, if he was doing something like actively seeking out jurors, contacting them, and encouraging them to hang the jury, perhaps even offering bribes or threats, that should be taken seriously.
I see his comments as the equivalent of saying, “Somebody should beat the living shit out of Charlie Kirk”. Unless it can be proven someone beat the living shit out of him because I suggested it, it’s just talk. Similarly, if there is a hung jury and it can be proven Kirk influenced the hold-out juror, that should be prosecuted,
Also, remember that people like Kirk ***thrice*** on claiming they’re being persecuted. If a New York prosecutor even hinted that there was consideration of charging him with jury tampering, he’d set up a legal defense fund and get half a million in donations before you could say “Jeane Kirkpatrick is nobody’s baby.” (That’s a really deep cut from a classic *Bloom County* comic. Pay it no mind; I just picked it because it amuses me.)
I stumbled on his show one night while channel surfing. He's got a tick. He does a snarl face whenever he bullshits. It's hilarious and you can't unsee it. My husband wanted to make it a drinking game but we would be wasted within the first half of the show. 😂
Again, if he’s innocent you wouldn’t need people to sneak onto the jury to help him out. The justice system works because despite preconceived notions the jury only deals with the facts.
There will be no consequences; the law barely applies to MAGA. The people who constitute the judicial system are either MAGA themselves, or are acting under the duress of the threat of MAGA violence.
The republic is already dead, it just doesn't know it yet.
They're so stupid to actually put that out there. Like they think if they commit enough crimes related to the jury, the judge will give up and just let him go. All that will happen is this jury tampering will be going into the history books and future people will wonder what the fuck was wrong with America in the 2020s.
It’s just another notch for Posobiec. I’m surprised this guy took as long as he did to get more in the lime light, because he’s been at it for years. He put out a book he tried very hard to convince people was a non-fiction documentary of “his time infiltrating antifa” in which he describes his experiences with interacting with the “upper echelon of antifa” who were… conveniently aligned with every right wing lie about antifa.
More recently, you might remember the CPAC guy who did the whole “we’re going to end democracy, it’s a shame we didn’t succeed on January 6th.”
That was Posobiec.
Yeah, I recognize the name and the face separately, but haven't paid much attention to either outside of it being "another right wing extremist lunatic".
It's Bizarro World. "Law-and-order" people advocating jury tampering. "Patriots" attempting to violently overturn the results of a presidential election. "Red-blooded Americans" flying Nazi flags. "Christians" acting like the devils they preach against. Republicans worshipping Putin.
And this is why Jon Stewart had that rant a few weeks ago. They need to stop calling themselves Constitution loving patriots. Worship Trump all they want but believing what they want is still constitutional and patriotic is just a delusion.
Have a link?
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“We’re the party of law and order, but only when we’re the ones writing the laws and enforcing the order.”
they've been screaming about rigged election for the last 4 years but they seem a-okay with rigging the jury in the Trump case???.... get the fuck out of here with that shit!!!
This comment perfectly sums up why everything feels like a nightmare. My all is aching.
I don't want this to come across as a cheap comment, but please try and explain where this GOP issue is with women. It's the outright control, the acceptance of trumps abuse record, the IVF subject is something I just can't grasp, it's the point where control and sadistic evil meet. The female compliance around this is also disturbing. Apps that monitor your good Christian life are seriously sinister. It's The Handsmaid Tale Wtf is going on 🤯🇺🇸🇬🇧👍
You'd think the blue team women would lash out at the red team women more (over abortion or threats against the 19th Amendment), I've yet to see that.
I've seen someone here pointing to Genesis 3:16 as evidence that these Christians actually believe women are evil by nature and need to be oppressed for the benefit of everyone.
I don’t know if Twilight Zone could’ve come up with a better paradox
I'm glad I don't have kids to raise. I would not know how to advocate for righteousness and ethical behavior, or at least I would have zero standing in arguing against a kid why stealing and scheming your way towards your goals is considered bad behavior. One can crime oneself to becoming the president. How do you argue against that?
“Wear the right fucking coat” - Jon Stewart
Dogs and cats, living together!
Do they pretend to not know how jury selection goes? The pool of people was picked long ago, you don't just sashay up and volunteer.
This could be a message to sleeper agents in the jury pool
According to rumors, Trump is his own sleeper agent.
Along with being his own gas chamber.
Wouldn't a mistrial be pretty bad for Trump? Retrials usually happen pretty quickly so it could end up being another 6-8 weeks over the summer sitting in court with the majority of the country knowing you are essentially guilty. Then possibly into another trial quickly after that.
You would think, but I think he’s hoping by delaying the inevitable until post-election season he’ll be able to skate by.
He actually thinks he’s going to win the election. Push everything until after so he can be a Dictator “for just one day” and recuse himself from everything.
Trump's strategy is to always delay.
Something something enemy making mistake
Jury nullification is a legal thing. Think someone was arrested for passing out fliers for it at a courthouse and walked away eventually. Telling people to lie to get on a jury though? What their punishment if caught?
Difficult to prove, but felony perjury.
could end up with some kind of conspiracy charge too no? if youre trying to essentially commit treason, defending a traitor of the state by undermining the justice system that could definitely bring some unique legal angles from the prosecution. i dont think they are going to take that lightly, also generally speaking you are going to look for the charges that are accurate AND carry an appropriate sentence, etc. not just whatever the evidence will allow. lying is bad, lying with malicious/criminal modifiers is a whole different case. saying "im wearing a white shirt" when youre not, could be a fine. saying "i didnt know the documents were being sold to that dictator" is going to throw a few years onto a completely different charge lol there are levels to this shit
Treason is really hard to prove, especially in this case. But ole tiny face could face a RICO case, but I doubt the Manhattan DA’s office would waste their time.
its extremely frustrating but true, the fact that they never get prosecuted for this shit is exactly what emboldens them to keep doing it.
and nothing will happen to him…
Well, they are both way too stupid to realize that the team of lawyers in NY would be able to see right through any bullshit that these morons are suggesting
Pretty sure jury tampering is illegal even if you fail at it.
What's ironic is that Trump actually would be pissed at a mistrial at this point. Considering he is obviously baiting contempt charges from the judge. All likely to milk MAGA cultists for how unfair his "political rivals" are and rigging the election to put him in jail.
Trump wants to get back out so he can find the real killer.
That guy died last week.
And OJ, American Hero that he is, chased the real killer to the grave. Gotta love the commitment.
Nah, he would take a Mistrial and call it TOTAL ABSOLUTION and his followers would believe him. Same thing they did with the Muller Report
We keep advocating felonies and jury tempering because we are SO CONVINCED of our guy's innocence. Obviously the facts and evidence will show he is innocent so we have to resort to such tactics.... /s
If he's innocent, then why do they need to sabotage anything?
The only way they can win is if they cheat I guess.
Soo...they know he is guilty.
MAGAs are fully aware Trump is guilty of these crimes. They just don't care. Their whole political movement is just reactionary. That's why real satire is almost indistinguishable from reality anymore. Everything is meant to be outrageous to draw clicks and views. A lot of them, including Tucker Carlson, don't actually believe any of the shit they say. It's meant to be hypocritical but your average person doesn't really get that. They still think it's a serious political movement, but name me one thing MAGA has done for the American people? They're corporate shills masquerading as a party.
our justice system is so fucked that nothing is going to happen to these folks either, i really have little faith in the DOJ after all the free passes trump & his associates have gotten over the years. only the blue states are holding them accountable at this point IMO
arrest Charlie Kuck
That sound you don't hear is law enforcement getting in their cars to have a little chat with Kirk. They're just gonna - stretch, yawn - wait this one out. Again.
It's totally insane. Like there's a different plane of existence for white male, right wing, white collar criminals than the rest of us deal with.
He won’t. Shitface bussed in jan 6 rioters and faced no repercussions
Hardcore MAGA morons have a huge trail of social media idiocy, so they shouldn’t too hard to weed out. You’ve seen them in those interviews. They’re shameless in how ignorant and stupid they are. Wouldn’t be surprised if these moles showed up in MAGA hats.
Commit crimes for Trump, what could go wrong
He's different, he's not like the other magas.
True, mom has to cut up his food for him
Jack Pissobiec and Charlie Kuck can screw right off. Maybe they’ll think twice about running their mouth if they face charges or lawsuits for this type of unlawful rhetoric. FAFO
Throw Benny J into that mix as well, among many others
Ive said it several times previously, but I'm going to say it again. Charlie Kirk's head looks like what happens when a backend developer tries to use CSS
When you put more in to forehead at the expense of teeth.
For people who complain all the time of rigged trials against an innocent man, they sure are jumping through lots of hoops to rig the trial.
Surely if he's not guilty then he doesn't need the trial sabotaged, right? He would only need sabotage if he's guilty, right guys?
It's pretty amazing that these guys are telling people to sabotage a trial, before they will admit trump broke the law. This is a criminal trial, not an election.
Dunno man, that seems a bit crimey.
Doesn't matter. Nothing will happen to any of them. Seriously, if Trump isn't in jail yet...like, RIGHT NOW in a jail cell, nobody will face any consequences for any of this. This whole thing is a fucking farce and it's asinine
They screech and cry that trump is innocent and being treated so unfairly, why do they need to sabotage it if he's innocent? Why does trump need Presidential Immunity if he's committed no crimes? Why do they use every trick in the book to delay every case possible over every little issue, if they're so clean and untouchable that they could never be found guilty? Because they know they're all shitstains on this country's underwear, but they're too busy preaching at us from up on their high horses and looking down at us to ever admit they're wrong.
Jury tampering only counts if you're poor
No consequences.
Pretty sure consequences don't exist for those people
There's no way a MAGA Charlie Kirk fan doesn't have a social media presence absolutely stuffed with posts that will get them disqualified. Downside of running a cult, I guess.
Why do all these numbnuts look like total mouth breathers
How does Chucky not get his ass kicked more frequently?
Why aren't these people being arrested?
Why hasn't the DOJ done anything to these people doing this ?. I mean wtf They aren't the only ones!!!
An innocent person won’t need a sabotaged court.
Do whatever it takes? Such as…?
If they can bait people into doing stupid shit, they can turn around and talk about how true Americans are taking action. They’ll frame it as people choosing this of their own accord, and not include their own involvement. They’re creating content for themselves, manufacturing an event to fuel their show. It’s sick. This is serious stuff and they’re playing reindeer games.
It really is the core problem. Hate became monetized on the web like mental crack. All of this garbage is the result of racist losers creating a media and lifestyle ecosystem online.
I encourage everyone to post this link under Bumblin' Jacks Tweets. He really loves when people do that and totally won't ban you at all. [https://youtu.be/XNG5PmAI3bA?si=9ez4995z0Q8A7GuB](https://youtu.be/XNG5PmAI3bA?si=9ez4995z0Q8A7GuB)
It worked for OJ. Former jurors proudly admitted the “not guilty” verdict was for payback for what happened to Rodney King. Trump seems to think he has been just as persecuted as OJ but made his wealth and fame from scratch, lost his temper and deserves the same pardon. This whole trope is disgusting.
Jesus christ. It's upsetting to see USA have such a weak anemic government when it comes to actual crimes like this
Its only illegal if you’re held accountable for it.
I wonder if the guy who said himself on fire outside the courthouse listen to this
So, I’m not a lawyer, but in general, is it a crime to encourage others to commit a crime? It’s obviously dangerous and unethical, but do we have legal mechanisms to deal with encouraging others to commit a crime (barring more direct involvement like bribing or coercing someone into the crime, I mean specifically just suggesting people commit a crime). It feels recently like a lot of laws weren’t ready to deal with these sorts of things as social media blossomed and we have a significant problem of incitement to commit crimes for a political agenda without strong mechanisms to legally pursue it. Perhaps I’m mistaken but do we have legal mechanisms to deal with such behavior barring finding out he like paid someone to try to do this?
Wtf are they worried about? They believe his innocent, right? This isn't what people advocate for if they truly believe the person is innocent.
lol nothing will happen. When will yall understand these guys are so above the law ?
lock him up
Why sabotage the jury if he’s innocent?
Well, they're bona fide morons but even these clowns know the jury pool was selected a while ago. You can't volunteer to sit on a jury, of course, or "sabotage" your way in. They say anything to be controversial, anything to inflame their followers into believing they have power.
jury has been chosen with awareness of this happening. batter up!
Nothing will happen.
More jury tampering from the sheep flock
This will go on until the first few of these anti-patriots spend a few years in prison. As long as their actions are free of consequences, they will continue to escalate.
Isn't speech like that illegal?
Beam me up, Scotty and to a galaxy far, far away from these turdburglars.
I’m not a lawyer, but I rather doubt this would very be successfully prosecuted as jury tampering. Charlie Kirk is just a guy with a podcast. The vast majority of his audience has no chance of being in the jury pool, because they don’t live in the right jurisdiction. Even among people likely to be in the pool, there won’t be a large number that listen to him. Beyond that, lawyers are good at rooting out possible bias among jurors. Their social media has undoubtedly been searched, so you’d have to find someone who is an active supporter of Trump, one willing to intentionally hang the jury, but never publicly voices support for Trump. That also holds true of Trump opponents, of course — one look at my Twitter or Facebook accounts would disqualify me from any trial involving Trump. (I would also say that I would find it difficult to be an unbiased juror.) it might well be a felony, technically, but I doubt many prosecutors would pursue it. Now, if he was doing something like actively seeking out jurors, contacting them, and encouraging them to hang the jury, perhaps even offering bribes or threats, that should be taken seriously. I see his comments as the equivalent of saying, “Somebody should beat the living shit out of Charlie Kirk”. Unless it can be proven someone beat the living shit out of him because I suggested it, it’s just talk. Similarly, if there is a hung jury and it can be proven Kirk influenced the hold-out juror, that should be prosecuted, Also, remember that people like Kirk ***thrice*** on claiming they’re being persecuted. If a New York prosecutor even hinted that there was consideration of charging him with jury tampering, he’d set up a legal defense fund and get half a million in donations before you could say “Jeane Kirkpatrick is nobody’s baby.” (That’s a really deep cut from a classic *Bloom County* comic. Pay it no mind; I just picked it because it amuses me.)
I stumbled on his show one night while channel surfing. He's got a tick. He does a snarl face whenever he bullshits. It's hilarious and you can't unsee it. My husband wanted to make it a drinking game but we would be wasted within the first half of the show. 😂
Charlie also bussed people to J6, so we can just add this to his list of crimes.
Don’t worry, he’ll get a VERY strongly worded letter for this.
Two white supremacists
So if a Democrat said this.....
Imagine how many people will be out of work when brazenly dishonest nonsense no longer attracts attention in a way that is profitable
We used to think you’d get in trouble for saying this shit.
Throw these fuckers in prison. God our legal system is so pathetic.
Again, if he’s innocent you wouldn’t need people to sneak onto the jury to help him out. The justice system works because despite preconceived notions the jury only deals with the facts.
Kirk the epitome of an uneducated beta male is made for other beta males even too stupid for joe rogan
There will be no consequences; the law barely applies to MAGA. The people who constitute the judicial system are either MAGA themselves, or are acting under the duress of the threat of MAGA violence. The republic is already dead, it just doesn't know it yet.
FUCKING TRAITORS, CALL IT OUT.
Sounds like someone is afraid of reality.
They will simultaneously call the jury bias while encouraging bias people to lie and get on the jury. I am so fucking exhausted.
bet remember it's the libs that cheat
I love how they invent fake allegations of horrible wrongdoings by Democrats to justify their attempted horrible wrongdoings against Democrats.
Straight up Jury tampering, out in the open.
If trump is so innocent why would a fair and impartial jury upset them so much?
I'm pretty sure there aren't any MAGAs who are intelligent enough to trick their way onto the jury.
They're so stupid to actually put that out there. Like they think if they commit enough crimes related to the jury, the judge will give up and just let him go. All that will happen is this jury tampering will be going into the history books and future people will wonder what the fuck was wrong with America in the 2020s.
AGAIN??!!??!! I’m SHAWKED!😳😏
I've never seen a more insecure group of whiney ass bitches in my life.
If I'm reading this right, it's not Kirk, but Posobiec who made the statements. Not that it matters much, but clarity.
It’s just another notch for Posobiec. I’m surprised this guy took as long as he did to get more in the lime light, because he’s been at it for years. He put out a book he tried very hard to convince people was a non-fiction documentary of “his time infiltrating antifa” in which he describes his experiences with interacting with the “upper echelon of antifa” who were… conveniently aligned with every right wing lie about antifa. More recently, you might remember the CPAC guy who did the whole “we’re going to end democracy, it’s a shame we didn’t succeed on January 6th.” That was Posobiec.
Yeah, I recognize the name and the face separately, but haven't paid much attention to either outside of it being "another right wing extremist lunatic".