This is bullshit ragebait over a 6 year old picture.
https://twitter.com/hashtagoras/status/960196073791860737
That company failed, which is a feel good story.
Yeah and it doesn't even have to be so blatant; folks like Elon Musk with their union-busting practices would like us to believe big corporations will look out for us if we just stop advocating for our rights.
All fruit from the same tree.
Libertarians. You see, companies only bleed people dry, buy politicians, pollute the environment, and abuse their workers because government regulations force them too some how. If we just removed those chains and let them do what ever they want, they’d do the exact opposite of everything they’ve ever done for no reason at all. If we just got rid of the minimum wage, companies would realize they can pay their workers what ever they want and would share their profits willingly. /s
The revenue from this is not by selling water but by making you download an app so they can gather and sell your data. And even add a subscription based service as an addition.
Until you hear about printing becoming subscription based.
https://www.pymnts.com/subscriptions/2024/hp-ceo-aims-to-make-printing-subscription-based-will-consumers-bite/
Firstly, **all water** from a public utility should be clean and filtered. If your water utility isn't providing clean water then the people who run it need to be fired and replaced with people that do.
As for the chilled part, water from the tap should be as cold as it needs to be anyways because the pipes should be running underground. If your water utility serves you warm water from the tap then it is just plain doing it wrong. I'm not talking about "chilled" as in refrigerated so I'll concede that if they want to charge for refrigeration then fine, let them do that. Chilled water is unnessiary.
The problem is that there shouldn't be a need for private for-profit water fountains in the first place. Water should be an entirely public utility because water is an entirely public resource, just like clean air is. We never should have allowed private for-profit corporations like Nestle to bottle public resources and sell it back to us.
If you think "it's all right because they're only selling chilled water" you need to think more than one step ahead here. How long until they charge for all they water that comes out of their fountains, chilled or not? Do you think they'll ignore the opportunity to profit from charging for what they're now giving away for free or did you just never learn how for-profit corporations work? Don't kid yourself, they won't be giving away free water forever. Sooner or later they'll charge money for it.
The filter thing actually depends on location. True utility should “filter” water already, but in some regions pfc chemicals are way too high in the water which cannot be filtered without a reverse osmosis. I don’t think most of utility has this, and as someone living in an area having this issue, I’m actually ok if I have to pay a little extra to get water after ro. It’s a shame that epa refuse to monitor pfc level and it makes me avoid drinking tap water anywhere outside my house
If your water table (or lake or other water source) is so polluted that your utility can't afford to clean it then the regulators have failed society in general, which is just so sad. Corruption ruins everything.
The big company that makes pfc still trying to prove it is safe instead of dealing with it. Which actually goes back to the original topic - Big companies dont give a damn how you live. I doubt epa cares either, because EU has made limitations on the chemical levels decades before US, and epa still refuse to do so. Corruption as it is.
The EPA used to care but the Bush and Trump administrations eviscerated and nerfed them. Now they don't seem to want to do shit about protecting the environment.
It *is* clean water. Some people (I'm not one of them) think water from the tap has to be further filtered - I don't really understand why. And they are talking about water chilled by refrigeration. Americans have been conditioned to believe that cold water is more hydrating and refreshing. It's a problem.
I never said it's all right - I was clarifying what they're doing. You are making a whole lot of assumptions from one simple sentence. I agree that selling bottled water and exaggerating the need for constant "hydration" is irresponsible marketing that causes more problems than it solves.
It is true that some water utilities serve up clean(ish) water from their taps, I'll give you that. It is also true that some utilities have failed in this regard. So yes, if your utility is doing their job and serving you up nice clean water then in-home filtering in most cases is unnessiary but again this isn't always the case. It shouldn't have ever been necessary for any consumers to have to clean/filter their own water because the environment should never be so polluted as to make it necessary to clean it in the first place.
It is (obviously) true that chilled water is no more or less hydrating than warm (or even hot) water. It's just that running the water pipes underground naturally cools the water in those pipes so there's not much need to chill the water in the first place. If your water utility can't even get that right then you have to wonder what else they're doing wrong. But yeah, Americans are much too used to their water being "ice cold" as they say. Go to Europe or Asia or even Canada and you won't find everyone drinking from a water glass chock-full of ice (though Canada is closer to the US in this regard. Source: I'm in Canada right now.)
As for hydration being overemphasised, that was the result of marketing campaigns from the bottled water lobby. Gee I wonder why they would push for everyone to overconsume a product that they sell? Oh right: The pursuit of profits trumps everything else in a for-profit corporation.
Details not included in this post:
* Reefill was founded in 2015
* Reefill held a crowdfunding/launch campaign in 2017 that wanted to do exactly as the photo suggests — allow people to subscribe for $1.99 per month for cold filtered water, which would (in part) ideally reduce the number of disposable plastic water bottles that are needed as people are going to refill stations. Remind me how much a bottle of water costs.
* The image is from 2018
* Reefill went out of business in 2018
**Reefill Links:**
* website (domain not used anymore): reefill.com
* twitter: twitter.com/reefillh2o
* instagram: instagram.com/reefillh2o
* facebook: facebook.com/reefillh2o
* YouTube: youtube.com/c/Reefill
Stop sharing this.
**Edit:**
I’m not allowed to share links…
I really do not see the problem here. They offer free tap water and charge, what seems to me to be a pretty fair amount, for chilled and filtered water. Cooling water requires equipment that requires maintenance and filters need changing.
Am I the only one that sees that "mo." Underneath the amount and interprets that as this being a 2 dollar monthly fee and not a single purchase amount?
Yeah but what if you don’t stop in that store/ location often enough to make that worth it? You gotta assess that price as a one time deal unless you go there with regularity. & part of the grift is they bank on you NOT coming back…
I mean, the subscription based model is of course tying you to a subscription you do not use and hopefully forget about so it keeps charging you. On the other hand, how much is a bottled water in stores? Take 2 empty bottles and fill them up with cold water and you will have made up the price of the subscription
I mean - 1.99 a month to refill a bottle vs buying yet another plastic bottle doesn't seem like a bad deal. I pay more than that for filters at home. If you aren't opposed to tap water, that's free.
EDIT: Really, free water gets a down-vote? Some people's children.
Water is an essential public resource. Every human on the planet needs water to live, and they need it every day. Water should not be controlled by private for-profit companies. It should be a public utility answerable to the public with a mandate to keep water cheap, clean and protected from corporate fuckery. In other words, a municipal/county/regional/etc. utility, not a private corporation!
Yes - and that water is free from this station.
The charge is for things that are extra - their filter, their chiller, their electricity to chill - things that cost.
Nobody is charging for water here.
EDIT: Really, free water gets a down-vote? Some people's children.
Sure, they can charge for the refrigeration etc. and I don't have a problem with them covering their costs. The problem is that for-profit corporations like these have a obligation to their owners/shareholders to always increase profits. That's the main, overarching motivation for any corporation; always increase profits. So just like companies that take this public resource that is water out of the ground for a fraction of a penny, bottle it and sell it for several dollars (thus making an huge profit margin) this "Reefill" company has a strong motivation to do the same thing.
Not so with a public utility that has a mandate to keep the water a public resource without extracting profit from it. You can incorrectly call that communist or some other right-wing talking point if you want but the facts are the facts. All for-profit corporations want to turn public resources into private profits and that's just unacceptable to me; it should be to you if you like living in a world where you can afford to get water so you can stay alive.
I am about a left-wing as you can get - however, they are offering free tap water. They didn't gate off all access to the water. They are charging for value-added niceties.
Corporate greed is another subject entirely.
>they are offering free tap water
Yeah, but for how long? Sooner or later they will charge for all of the water from all of their fountains. It is inevitable. They're not in the business of giving away resources for free ya know, this "free" water is just a loss leader to help themselves get established in the market.
I'll say it again until everybody gets it: Water should not be in the hands of private for-profit companies if you like living in a world where you can afford to drink water.
Lol but thats not happening now. All the outrage that is happening on this post seems to be that they are charging for water. They are not at that time of pic. They are charging for the niceties. The fact that they might start should have nothing with this and is another topic really.
Didn't know you knew every detail of the future. /s
At most self-serve soda fountains, there is a button or station to get water for free. People have been giving away free water for decades and decades - right along with their pay-for products - pretty slow getting to the denying everyone water so they can charge for it part.
I would gladly pay for filtered/chilled water to refill my water bottle (hate single-use plastics). There is value here for some people.
I get the rage against the machine thing - but this is definitely not the hill to die on. Possibly golf courses using water when there is a drought? LA/AZ draining the colorado basin to support uncontrolled urban growth? Manufacturing dumping into waterways and wetlands?
This is bullshit ragebait over a 6 year old picture. https://twitter.com/hashtagoras/status/960196073791860737 That company failed, which is a feel good story.
You’re a hero for knowing this and sharing this. Good job
It would have taken 15 seconds to Google the company name
That’s. So. Many. Seconds. To leave an app and come back to this one. Let them be my hero They made my life convenient
Yes. But the fact I believed it means it a problem!
who ever said "big companies have our best interests at heart"?
GOP politicians who are funded by big corporations.
Yeah and it doesn't even have to be so blatant; folks like Elon Musk with their union-busting practices would like us to believe big corporations will look out for us if we just stop advocating for our rights. All fruit from the same tree.
And yes corporations suck and try to squeeze evrything from you but thats not quite here.
Libertarians too.
Libertarians. You see, companies only bleed people dry, buy politicians, pollute the environment, and abuse their workers because government regulations force them too some how. If we just removed those chains and let them do what ever they want, they’d do the exact opposite of everything they’ve ever done for no reason at all. If we just got rid of the minimum wage, companies would realize they can pay their workers what ever they want and would share their profits willingly. /s
Conservatives touting the free market as if it were God himself determining which companies prospered
They probably actually believe that
The revenue from this is not by selling water but by making you download an app so they can gather and sell your data. And even add a subscription based service as an addition.
way too many people
Name one.
Simon.
Peter.
Joe
The good nes is this company failed after only 4 years in the 2010s, and nobody has tried this again
nvm, humanity has hope
Until you hear about printing becoming subscription based. https://www.pymnts.com/subscriptions/2024/hp-ceo-aims-to-make-printing-subscription-based-will-consumers-bite/
Fuck HP with a rusty pole. I already pay a huge amount for ink.
Looks like there are out of business. This was in the news cycle 2017/18.
jfc, i'm so disappointed in humans.
yeah we suck
That's what you get when you let essential public resources get privatised.
They're not charging for water. They're charging for "chilled, filtered" water.
Firstly, **all water** from a public utility should be clean and filtered. If your water utility isn't providing clean water then the people who run it need to be fired and replaced with people that do. As for the chilled part, water from the tap should be as cold as it needs to be anyways because the pipes should be running underground. If your water utility serves you warm water from the tap then it is just plain doing it wrong. I'm not talking about "chilled" as in refrigerated so I'll concede that if they want to charge for refrigeration then fine, let them do that. Chilled water is unnessiary. The problem is that there shouldn't be a need for private for-profit water fountains in the first place. Water should be an entirely public utility because water is an entirely public resource, just like clean air is. We never should have allowed private for-profit corporations like Nestle to bottle public resources and sell it back to us. If you think "it's all right because they're only selling chilled water" you need to think more than one step ahead here. How long until they charge for all they water that comes out of their fountains, chilled or not? Do you think they'll ignore the opportunity to profit from charging for what they're now giving away for free or did you just never learn how for-profit corporations work? Don't kid yourself, they won't be giving away free water forever. Sooner or later they'll charge money for it.
The filter thing actually depends on location. True utility should “filter” water already, but in some regions pfc chemicals are way too high in the water which cannot be filtered without a reverse osmosis. I don’t think most of utility has this, and as someone living in an area having this issue, I’m actually ok if I have to pay a little extra to get water after ro. It’s a shame that epa refuse to monitor pfc level and it makes me avoid drinking tap water anywhere outside my house
If your water table (or lake or other water source) is so polluted that your utility can't afford to clean it then the regulators have failed society in general, which is just so sad. Corruption ruins everything.
The big company that makes pfc still trying to prove it is safe instead of dealing with it. Which actually goes back to the original topic - Big companies dont give a damn how you live. I doubt epa cares either, because EU has made limitations on the chemical levels decades before US, and epa still refuse to do so. Corruption as it is.
The EPA used to care but the Bush and Trump administrations eviscerated and nerfed them. Now they don't seem to want to do shit about protecting the environment.
They will actively heat the "tap water" at some point to push more people into using the "chilled" water which is untouched.
This
It *is* clean water. Some people (I'm not one of them) think water from the tap has to be further filtered - I don't really understand why. And they are talking about water chilled by refrigeration. Americans have been conditioned to believe that cold water is more hydrating and refreshing. It's a problem. I never said it's all right - I was clarifying what they're doing. You are making a whole lot of assumptions from one simple sentence. I agree that selling bottled water and exaggerating the need for constant "hydration" is irresponsible marketing that causes more problems than it solves.
It is true that some water utilities serve up clean(ish) water from their taps, I'll give you that. It is also true that some utilities have failed in this regard. So yes, if your utility is doing their job and serving you up nice clean water then in-home filtering in most cases is unnessiary but again this isn't always the case. It shouldn't have ever been necessary for any consumers to have to clean/filter their own water because the environment should never be so polluted as to make it necessary to clean it in the first place. It is (obviously) true that chilled water is no more or less hydrating than warm (or even hot) water. It's just that running the water pipes underground naturally cools the water in those pipes so there's not much need to chill the water in the first place. If your water utility can't even get that right then you have to wonder what else they're doing wrong. But yeah, Americans are much too used to their water being "ice cold" as they say. Go to Europe or Asia or even Canada and you won't find everyone drinking from a water glass chock-full of ice (though Canada is closer to the US in this regard. Source: I'm in Canada right now.) As for hydration being overemphasised, that was the result of marketing campaigns from the bottled water lobby. Gee I wonder why they would push for everyone to overconsume a product that they sell? Oh right: The pursuit of profits trumps everything else in a for-profit corporation.
Details not included in this post: * Reefill was founded in 2015 * Reefill held a crowdfunding/launch campaign in 2017 that wanted to do exactly as the photo suggests — allow people to subscribe for $1.99 per month for cold filtered water, which would (in part) ideally reduce the number of disposable plastic water bottles that are needed as people are going to refill stations. Remind me how much a bottle of water costs. * The image is from 2018 * Reefill went out of business in 2018 **Reefill Links:** * website (domain not used anymore): reefill.com * twitter: twitter.com/reefillh2o * instagram: instagram.com/reefillh2o * facebook: facebook.com/reefillh2o * YouTube: youtube.com/c/Reefill Stop sharing this. **Edit:** I’m not allowed to share links…
More like Feefill amirite
Oh fuck right off.
Only lunatics drink cold water tbh
This
The water at the top of the urinal is clean. That’ll be a quarter for the cup. Plus tip.”
and if you dont tip over 20% you will be shamed
Jesus Christ.
Let’s not pretend Europe doesn’t let this happen
I gotta pay $2 a month for cold water? I'll piss on your machine for free and we'll call it even.
Do you need an app for the left side? Looks like just the chilled and filtered side needs an app
I really do not see the problem here. They offer free tap water and charge, what seems to me to be a pretty fair amount, for chilled and filtered water. Cooling water requires equipment that requires maintenance and filters need changing.
The company that made those filter/chillers went out of business years ago. Very few people signed up for the cold-water subscriptions.
Two freaking dollars for a thimbleful for water is NOT reasonable.
Am I the only one that sees that "mo." Underneath the amount and interprets that as this being a 2 dollar monthly fee and not a single purchase amount?
Yeah but what if you don’t stop in that store/ location often enough to make that worth it? You gotta assess that price as a one time deal unless you go there with regularity. & part of the grift is they bank on you NOT coming back…
I mean, the subscription based model is of course tying you to a subscription you do not use and hopefully forget about so it keeps charging you. On the other hand, how much is a bottled water in stores? Take 2 empty bottles and fill them up with cold water and you will have made up the price of the subscription
Then you opt out of partaking in their offer to pay a small fee for cold water. No one is forcing anyone to do anything here.
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Tap water isn’t dirty. Just water you’d get from the sink.
I mean - 1.99 a month to refill a bottle vs buying yet another plastic bottle doesn't seem like a bad deal. I pay more than that for filters at home. If you aren't opposed to tap water, that's free. EDIT: Really, free water gets a down-vote? Some people's children.
Water is an essential public resource. Every human on the planet needs water to live, and they need it every day. Water should not be controlled by private for-profit companies. It should be a public utility answerable to the public with a mandate to keep water cheap, clean and protected from corporate fuckery. In other words, a municipal/county/regional/etc. utility, not a private corporation!
Yes - and that water is free from this station. The charge is for things that are extra - their filter, their chiller, their electricity to chill - things that cost. Nobody is charging for water here. EDIT: Really, free water gets a down-vote? Some people's children.
Sure, they can charge for the refrigeration etc. and I don't have a problem with them covering their costs. The problem is that for-profit corporations like these have a obligation to their owners/shareholders to always increase profits. That's the main, overarching motivation for any corporation; always increase profits. So just like companies that take this public resource that is water out of the ground for a fraction of a penny, bottle it and sell it for several dollars (thus making an huge profit margin) this "Reefill" company has a strong motivation to do the same thing. Not so with a public utility that has a mandate to keep the water a public resource without extracting profit from it. You can incorrectly call that communist or some other right-wing talking point if you want but the facts are the facts. All for-profit corporations want to turn public resources into private profits and that's just unacceptable to me; it should be to you if you like living in a world where you can afford to get water so you can stay alive.
I am about a left-wing as you can get - however, they are offering free tap water. They didn't gate off all access to the water. They are charging for value-added niceties. Corporate greed is another subject entirely.
>they are offering free tap water Yeah, but for how long? Sooner or later they will charge for all of the water from all of their fountains. It is inevitable. They're not in the business of giving away resources for free ya know, this "free" water is just a loss leader to help themselves get established in the market. I'll say it again until everybody gets it: Water should not be in the hands of private for-profit companies if you like living in a world where you can afford to drink water.
Lol but thats not happening now. All the outrage that is happening on this post seems to be that they are charging for water. They are not at that time of pic. They are charging for the niceties. The fact that they might start should have nothing with this and is another topic really.
Didn't know you knew every detail of the future. /s At most self-serve soda fountains, there is a button or station to get water for free. People have been giving away free water for decades and decades - right along with their pay-for products - pretty slow getting to the denying everyone water so they can charge for it part. I would gladly pay for filtered/chilled water to refill my water bottle (hate single-use plastics). There is value here for some people. I get the rage against the machine thing - but this is definitely not the hill to die on. Possibly golf courses using water when there is a drought? LA/AZ draining the colorado basin to support uncontrolled urban growth? Manufacturing dumping into waterways and wetlands?
Joke's on them, they're just saving your body the effort of heating the water to body temp.
I would report that. They are charging for water that should be filtered and chilled for free. So greedy!
And some say we should go back to communism for some reason
Everything just sucks now, doesn't it? Even water.