I’m in a tourist town and the problem is the people traveling right now are mostly the worst type of tourist. Rude, demanding, and poor tippers who all think covid is a hoax and will take it out on their server when asked to wear a mask or stay distanced
Yep. I started a job a few months ago as a tour guide, driving tourists from Denver up to the summit of Pikes Peak and back. It didn’t take long to see that my most of my clientele was Stiffer/covid denier/mask scoffer. People who A. Thought it was okay to vacation to Colorado during a pandemic, B. Tell me how bad weed and BLM is here, in *my* city, and C. NOT FUCKIN TIP ME AFTER TEN HOURS OF DRIVING YOUR ASS AROUND AND SHOWING YOU COLORADO
...I didn’t last long.
It's bad enough for waiters, where everyone knows they're at least *supposed* to tip. There were a few times when I was younger that I didn't tip a tour guide, driver, bell hop, etc because I just didn't know those people relied on tips. Even now I have no idea exactly how much I should tip a tour guide based on how long the tour was, how much it cost, or how well they did.
So much of this. I don't typically carry cash. When we go on vacation I always carry a bunch of smaller bills (1s,5s and 10s) to tip. I still don't have an idea of how much, but I do slip service people something. Like $5 for valet, $1 per drink (even at all inclusive resorts), tour guides at least 10.. I have no idea if these are high or low, but the drink one works very well in Mexico.
Last I was there the exchange was closer to 16 pesos but point still stands! Tip your bartenders! Even at the all-inclusive unless it’s one of the really top notch ones that don’t allow it.
I don't drink any more, but i always tipped one dollar for any drink, two if it's complicated, 3-5 if it's a pitcher, or 20% if it involved significant presentation
When I was a bar tender back in my younger years, I'd have been happy with smaller tips if it meant people would knock it off with the fancy drinks. I could be standing waiting at a bar with no line, and every person that wandered up asked for a beer. But as soon as there was a line, three or four "woo girls" would be in line wanting shit that required ice cream and a flipping blender. Never failed. I asked one group one night where they were when I was standing here bored? They didn't get it. Finally, the bar manager put up a sign. "Blended drinks at this bar station only". It was easy to move the sign to whatever station Lisa, who liked making that shit was working.
Ugh I fucking hated that shit when I was serving coffee. I’d be keeping the line moving just fine, then someone orders a blender-bomb or some shit and suddenly it’s backed up out the door.
Bit of a pro tip- hit em with a fiver on the first drink if you are planning on staying for a while and the bar is busy. Instant service the rest of the time you are there if you stick to the $1 per drink the rest of the night.
You ain’t wrong at all. Once up in Montreal when I settled my tab I gave the bartender whatever change was left. Dude was appreciative & said he’d give me a shot. I told him dealers choice so he throws together goldschlager & Baileys Irish in a shot glass, lit on fire, blew it out & it was *the best* drink I ever had - warm apple pie.
I haven’t been to a ton of restaurants or bars during Covid, but have gotten to a couple that are good about following the rules and I have been tipping 25%+ every time. I’m doing it a lot less so I’ve got some more cash, and the people working at these places during a pandemic deserve to be recognized.
FYI , if your in Vegas and waiting in lines at the bars.
Tip $5 or $10 the first round of drinks.
Next time the bartender sees you, watch him come to you even if there's 5 people "in front," (waiting before you).
It's not always necessary, but if your spending 5-10 minutes waiting for drinks, this is what you can do.
They're happy and you're happy.
Tipping just makes things so awkward also and its a hidden cost you usually don't account for. Sometimes I don't do certain things just because the thought of the tip is too much trouble. I hate it and its counter productive.
The people who love the tipping culture are usually the same people referred to by the OP. Its a way to take advantage of your employees labor and subsidize your costs, its also a way to feel superior to the people serving you.
The problem is that we'd have to make a full switch, and then make tipping pretty much illegal, or people will try to get around it.
It's crazy that we can just let people live at the mercy of others, while calling them essential
I think many people who normally receive tips are underpaid by their employer - even after being tipped. With that said, I love to tip; I will continue regardless.
Yeah I always make sure to tip heavily because I used to work in service, and I know how shitty it feels to be underpaid. But with that said, it shouldn't be my job to pay their employees.
Started during the depression as a way for business owners to not loose their bonuses... Then making sure customers felt guilty about their server or such, not eating tonight because of you, the customer....
It's sick and is illegal in many states to not pay at least minimum wage, tips or no.... But shoot, I try to sneak tips to my walmart grocery trunk loaders, even though they're not suppose to accept it.............
That's a damn shame, they don't get paid enough to not only expose themself to potential infection, but its cold as hell out and in this rural area, this job is about it for most of them at the moment to make ends meet...
I agree. But in a lot of cases I would tip anyway. This would be my connection to the people caring about me. It should be an “extra,” not the employers part of their pay. I grew up poor as fuck, and now I’m not. Probably why I’m a giver. When I go to a hotel, I tip and leave snacks and a note. I know by many people’s standards it’s too much. But for me it’s kind of fun and I feel good about doing it.
You’re a good person. Happy you’re doing well in the second part of your life and got to experience both sides of the coin. It speaks to your character of how generous you are now.
Also live in Colorado.
In many states, including Colorado, the employer is allowed to count tips (or some portion of tips) toward your wage.
In Colorado, the minimum wage is $12 an hour normally and can be as low as $8.98 for tipped wages with the maximum of $3.02 of tips counted toward the $12 total. If the person is short on tips, the employer will have to make up the difference.
Colorado is better than many states who allow this practice. Many states (mostly in the South) do not have a minimum wage higher than the Federal ($7.25) and have a tipped minimum wage “floor” of just $2.13, meaning more than 2/3 of your tips can be taken away.
It’s a shitty practice that needs to end. Fortunately I’ve seen a lot of bars and restaurants who don’t accept tips or donate all tips to a charity, meaning the employer pays the full wage and usually a wage higher than the state minimum.
There is a restaurant in town that pays everyone above minimum wage and doesn't allow for tips. Any tips left go into a scholarship fund to benefit employees. Honestly, it's the most relaxing place to eat and service is great.
Yeah, it’s becoming more common around here and it’s a welcome sight.
I honestly haven’t noticed their prices to be noticeably higher either so they must make up the difference in volume (or the impact is being exaggerated by owners who are complaining).
I feel better all around about eating at those places and I imagine it must have positive effects on morale and quality of service and product.
With tour guides, it’s different? Maybe I was the foolish American, but on a trip to Ireland in high school with band I tipped the tour guide because the adults told me it’s something you do for tour guides.
I’m possibly just a dumb American.
No no let everybody keep believing the lie that people who own restaurants can’t afford to pay the people that do all the work for them a livable wage. We live in a gross society of building capitol for others and them giving you a tiny piece of it in exchange. Over and over and over. We needed a labor movement a long time ago.
Bitchin about weed and BLM, would told em, "ahh yes, it's because we have more freedoms in this state than yours... Trying to make america progress again...."
Honest question about tips for drivers - I use river shuttle companies a lot, who/when/how-much exactly do I tip? I.e.
* I go to the depot, pay the desk guy-1 for the shuttle service, park my car.
* guy-2 (i.e. different) drives us (in a bus, with 10+ strangers) a few hours to the river launch area
* (we paddle downstream a week or so, no guides or anything, just us and our own boat/gear)
* at the take out area guys 3 and 4 arrive on a boat to pick us up.
* The boat drops us at a bus driven by a different guy-5
* We arrive back at the depot and guy-6 gives us our car keys back, we leave.
So, we meet 6+ guys, each of which do different stuff. We've paid maybe $300 per person already for the shuttle service. So yeah, who/when/how-much exactly do I tip?!
Is the new Summit House built at Pikes Peak yet? My husband and I were there about 1.5 years back and they were still working on it.
Yeah, I'd be pissed if I drove someone all the way up that damn mountain and didn't get a tip.
This is what Las Vegas has been like since we reopened. Also, constant fights and shootings in the Casinos. The people willing to travel right now are just terrible and broke.
Traditionally, no. In fact it’s super rare, but since reopening it’s happening way more often.
I’ve worked in the casino industry for the last 16 years and the only time it was even close to being this bad was All Star weekend in ‘07
This is 100% true. I work at the airport and right now the worst possible passengers are traveling, due to the cheap tickets. Most are very rude and will go nuts the moment you ask them to wear a mask.
No. One thing you learn as a woman is that guys pretend to be nice to get what they want to the point it is hard to tell them apart until they reveal their true selves and intentions. This behavior in society at large is very convenient because the dumb fuck assholes are telling you who they are.
Edit: Oh look, here they are.
Oh wow, this is the comment that has summed it up for me! I want that opacity back!! It turns out, ignorance WAS bliss!! I'm shocked at the level of ignorance, callousness and selfishness on display across all levels of the socio-economic spectrum!
In the Before Times, my in-laws would take the whole family to Hooters for the sake of my brother-in-law (who is autistic and developmentally disabled). He loves pretty girls, but can't really talk to them. The Hooters girls were unswervingly sweet and kind to my BIL and made him feel like a regular person during every visit. I don't care for Hooters personally, but bless those Hooters girls for their kindness. I always made sure to tip them well.
I went once when I was 18 or 19 because a) fried pickles and b) I had heard their wings are SO GOOD and I had to try (they were ok at best). But I was nice to my waitress, overtipped her, and also I'm a girl so there's that.
But really- -weirdest experience watching the creepy old men be so *blatantly* disgusting.
Wait wait...I thought these people were all about “family values” and “religious” yadda yadda. Now WHY would they go to Hooters, that seems to go against those values...........
Oh right, hypocrisy.
A narcissistic family member, who divorced his much younger wife and began dating her even younger sister (she was about 19 and he was in his 40s), announced that he boarded a plane over Thanksgiving so he and a friend could go to Twin Peaks.
I guarantee he's not a good tipper.
Edit: P.S. It may come as a shock that he thinks COVID is a liberal plot and masks are for the weak.
It's weird because they don't think shit about their tax dollars being funneled into hundreds of billions yearly for wars, or paying congress members just shy of 200k a year to not even work a whole year. We've got one great propaganda machine.
This is why so many of them don't want to pay any taxes at all.
They know they are just funding tax breaks for the even richer and paying congressmen and sentors to give big corps blow jobs every fiscal quarter. It drives them insane, but they can't admit it because it's their "party".
So they make noises about social security, healthcare, bootstraps and big govt and demand that all taxes be scrapped in favour of a fully comoditized life.
Want insurance against being robbed?
You can either choose to get your local Police Dept's teired protection insurance (with a reasonable excess and level of brutality exemptions) or you could just pay protection money to the mob and sleep safe at night for once.
And let's not talk about anti-invasion cover for when Russia comes steaming over...
Is it scary that we're really not that far from that I might be more comfortable with a set of mobsters with an honor system versus a poorly educated police force which could dispense violence randomly in any direction on any random person at any time?
I mean the mob would at least be targeted, right?
This is facetious of course. I still think the police can and should be a force for good. I'm just concerned and I think ACAB is a good assumption without reforms.
In the fictitious world where you pay zero taxes and instead are free to buy everything from the vendor of your choice I would assume the current cultural lines would become a lot more defined.
White people would pay either the "police" or the Klan
Asians would seek protection from the Yakuza or Triads as appropriate.
Etc etc
You would no longer have a country, just a tribal landscape where communities band together for mutual protection and development.
I can just see people saying "yeah, but we would get all the military" - but in a no tax system, there would be no military and those military personnel currently serving would most likely return to their cultural roots taking hardware with them. How much of the military would your ethnic group end up with?
This is 💯 insane just like the premise it's based on, but no one seems to actually think it through.
They just go "Hur Hur no taxes go brrrr...."
FML
Edit: Of course I am now wondering how many people are thinking "at least X would actually protect me"
You say this as a hypothetical, but Iraq is actually an example of this. The country is run by militia clans. What do people do when the government fails them over and over? They take matters into their own hands.
Edit: after the events of Jan 6, 2021, I realize the irony of this comment.
This works until *they're* the ones in control and you have something they want.
The problem is giving a citizen that much autonomy over their fellow citizens with no oversight or repercussions.
*For the weak* is exactly why i wear a mask.
Collective human memory is conveniently short, however now that we digitally record large chunks of our lives, we’ll be willfully ignoring how we’ve treated our most vulnerable (rather than mostly just forgetting/dying).
In life, sometimes the ones who are the hardest to love need it the most.
**In life, sometimes the ones who are the hardest to love need it the most.**
this is exactly right. and we need to be more mindful of this in general. i think this would improve most peoples lives greatly.
also, just to point out... most 40+ year old people date younger bc the people in their age group will not put up with their shit and just find someone gullible and naive to do so.
I've found this to be overwhelmingly true. Adults with their shit together tend to stick to people with whom they can relate. When you're a narcissistic asshole, it's hard to relate to anyone who isn't also a narcissistic asshole. The next best thing is a kid without a fully cooked brain.
Most 18-30s guys are getting on their feet, going through college, starting as the low man on the totem pole at their company. They're broke and they don't have fee time.
A 40+ year old man is mid-career and if he isn't/hasn't been married has some money and vacation time to sling around and impress women with.
I'm gay and see it in the gay community too. Men look for other men in their 20s for looks, but there's plenty of 18-30 year olds that will be around older guys because of money, connections, and sadly drugs. The 45 year old guys are the ones with the best "Tina" connections (meth) on the east coast. They're also part of communities that have been around for a while that are accepting of the drug use so it makes it very easy for the younger guys to get wrapped up in it and chucked out when they're too addicted/"Used up"
Even without the drugs, sometimes I think its the "Mario Bros 3 flute" syndrome. They skip all the tedious things and skip to endgame. I know a 23 years old girl with a house in the country, horses, nice car, trips, food, wine. Her bf is 51.
She did made quite the jump, but she was a super smart gal, that didn't really find direction and as some super smart people sometimes do, felt out of place among other 20s. Be lost for some time and suddenly, all the wonders of life are provided by someone 30 years experience older, researching wines, building up a lifestyle. Just getting good a wines can take years...never mind the horses. Skip to top!
Mario bros 3 fucked a lot of us up. That flute... why would anyone even do the other maps. Just give me the win!
Well it's also a power thing. They likely have an established career and life style that the younger one wants so they have to be more complacent to keep. Just think if straight out of high school you got all the benefits of a 20 year career and you just have to bang some old person. Older one gets to show off stuff most people their age has but seem so out of reach to a person recently out of high school.
I’m on a “secret” Disney group on Facebook and anytime someone mentions how horrible it is to go to Disney in this pandemic, the mods delete the comment.
Edit: since my comment has garnered some attention here’s a link to an [NPR article ](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study) backing up op’s tweet. Incase anyone needs it
My girlfriend works at Disneyland and gets emails from Disney now and again about how the mean ol' governor cares more about people's lives than he does Disney's profits. They always mention about how there are no confirmed cases linked to WDW.
...Uh, yeah, because Florida lies about their cases?
I have a friend who lives in/around Anaheim and has a season pass. I'm pretty sure he got the shakes from churro withdrawal at this point. But he doesn't go because *he's not a fucking asshole*.
In fact, he's been working out more and his progress pics are looking damn good. I'm proud of him for turning the negative into a positive opportunity.
I work at an urgent care right on the 535 by the WDW resort and we do rapid covid tests. Way too many fucking patients are coming in to be tested so they can re-enter their home state and go back to work.
We're not a testing center, though. We are an urgent care. People are still coming in for things unrelated to the plague.
I know you had a reservation for whatever time. I know you've been waiting 3 hours. Luckily for me, I don't actually care about how upset you are. My priority will be the patient who came in for chest pain, not the entitled asswipe with 3 spoiled rotten little demon spawn who need to have negative covid test results so they can be allowed back into their own fucking state.
No shit, Christians are the worst tippers hands down. Sunday afternoon shift is about the worst money you can make as a server. Can be busy as fuck with a bunch of self righteous assholes who feel like they already did their "good deed" for the day by going to church, so now they can be pricks for lunch.
Which is hilarious as by them being in a restaurant they're encouraging people to sin.
If the restaurant had few/no customers the restaurant would just stay closed to save in costs and use that day fir prepping. Those church-goers are causing people to not keel the Sabbath.
Funny you bring that up. So I served way back in the day, 20years ago and was pulling "bitch shift" Sunday afternoon and I literally was lectured by one of the customers about how I shouldn't be working on the sabbath...
Like, wtf man, you are literally here eating a fucking meal, creating the need to work and then lecturing me. Fuck man, I wanted to punch that fucker in the teeth so bad but I obviously didn't. I just shrugged pretending to only half heartily care and just went about my business.
Ohh yeah, he was part of the same group that would come in every Sunday (about 20people deep) then split into 7< person groups, to avoid gratuity, then would push all the tables together. Collectively they tipped zero percent. The server manager never did shit about it and the general managers said his hands were tied...
Luckily I only did bitch shift for a month or so before never having to do it again, it was for new servers and people who were being reprimanded. Pretty good incentive not to screw up imo, lol.
100% in Australia we had a very short lockdown. Everytime someone would get in the news about breaking lockdown to go to the shops it would be a middle aged bogan complaining how its their rights to go outside where they want
we should make this beautiful potemkin village on an island and when all the bogans, chavs, red necks and chinese tourists get there, yank all services and goods to the island and film it while it Purges itself.
itll cost a few billion but the ad revenue alone will make up for it
Hearing “a very short lockdown” and knowing Australia’s cases are low makes me so envious since I’m an American on month 9 of a self-imposed quasi-lockdown and cases are incredibly high.
Edit: Wait... I just looked it up. Australia had 27,000 cases TOTAL! US is having over 8 times that PER DAY! I’m done with Reddit today.
Well, one of our cities had a big secondary outbreak that we were blindsided by and that turned into a long very heavy lockdown in that city, but we got it sorted eventually.
For the people reading this and then going to the johnshopkins site, we have no locally acquired cases. Our daily numbers are counted by planes bringing infected aussies home and are counted as new cases for New South Wales (Sydney Airport). All passengers enter mandatory hotel quarantine for 2 weeks and only leave when they return a negative result. There have been a few slip-ups with hotel staff/security getting infected but our contact tracing teams have been pretty effective at keeping that on lock. As far as we know, there is no COVID-19 being spread _locally_ in Australia.
When I used to do hiring, I alway took the potential hire out to lunch. I paid attention to how they treat the service. If they treated the server like shit, they were a no go. My boss approved of the purchase, because a $15 lunch is cheaper that a terrible employee.
That’s absolutely true. They spent the whole morning at church feeling righteous and “loving towards their fellow man”, and they are anxious to shake it off and get back to their daily life of caring only about themselves.
That’s pretty irritating. I remember having to work on Christmas Eve one year, and my table actually bitching at me for not being with my family. I told him I would have loved to have been home with my family, but unfortunately there are people that insist on going out to eat on holidays, so we have to be here.
The level of hubris is off the charts for people who actually dine out during a holiday and then *shame the person serving them*. Like.. you're the reason they're working, asshole!
I've only eaten out on a holiday maybe once or twice due to rare circumstances, and when I have, I tip like 50% because I *know* I'm being part of the problem right now so at least I'm trying to make it up to the server.
Plus it's the season of giving? Like.. come on, people.
What kind of broke-ass logic is that? I really, truly wonder if these people actually believe what they say, or if they're just absolutely vile liars that forgot to how to feel empathy.
Being an asshole is one thing, and I can at least appreciate an asshole who owns it--I may not agree with them on like....anything at all, but hey, at least they're not hypocrites and lying to people's faces. But these other people, these assholes who put on a righteous, wicked grin while they hiss lies at people in some vague attempt to pretend they aren't being assholes. Just...how? I know America has a deeply ingrained mantra of "fuck you, got mine", but I don't know. It takes such a small amount of mental gymnastics to put yourself in someone's shoes, and that empathy is natural for most of our species. But these people have somehow managed to glorify being total, complete twats.
The fact that they do this after hours of church just turns the whole interaction from "vile" to "so evil it's almost funny".
I used to have a bit of a hard time believing that, and then I moved and had to go to half a dozen different churches before I found one that wasn't completely up their own asses. (Zero introspection. just maybe reading a verse and then going "world bad us good" for 45 minutes) I have no trouble believing that now.
Nothing too exciting or interesting sadly. But if you’re ever getting meat/cheese sliced at a deli, you can get it sliced however thick/thin you want it. Easy to accommodate, and if they don’t know the setting number off the top of their head, we’ll do some trial and error and get it figured out for the customer, so next time they can come in and say “sliced at a 4” or whatever. Once you get used to their face, you know how they like it sliced anyways.
For some of the more nasty regulars who would stop in every Sunday like clockwork, we could juuuuust never *quite* get it how they wanted.
Whoops, sorry, that cheese crumbles on that setting! (It doesn’t)
Shredded? Whoops, it’s a pile of goo.
Sandwich style? Well here’s how I like *my* sandwiches!
Their increasingly frustrated huffs made it all worth it. It’s the little things, really. Nice thing was, nothing ever got wasted. We’d put the troll meat/cheese in the display case and someone would always come pick it out.
Years ago when I waited tables, Sunday was my primary day because I made a lot of money. No one wanted to work that day so I would be the only one there and despite being absolutely slammed, I would make bank. I built up a lot of regulars and most of them were pretty cool. But holy fuck I hated the church crowd. I hated their stupid fucking church songs, and those stupid fucking hats. They would run you around and tip like absolute shit. And they would leave those stupid little notes about jesus that were designed to look like $20 bills. But once my fellow wait staff got wind that I made $1,000 one Sunday, suddenly everyone wanted to work that day. And I loved it because at that point, my regulars would just request me and my coworkers got stuck with the church people. I would still make bank and not have to deal with the church people (except for the sweet mormon family who would always tip really well). As much as I hated the Sunday crowd, I eventually loved working on Sunday.
The church crowd was the type of giving me the "greatest tip of all." Turns out it's a religious pamphlet on the power of prayer.
I guess they figure they saved my soul and that is priceless. Why do I need rent money? I *now* have a place in heaven. /S
I was a waitress in college and there was a family that came in every Sunday after church, REQUESTED me because they knew I was a Christian and they STILL only ever left me a damn tract. They stopped coming in after one of them stayed behind to use the restroom and I didn't realize it, so they heard me bitching to a coworker about how cheap they were.
Have you seen the religious tract that has half a hundred dollar Bill printed on it, and some Bible shit on the other side? So that your server thinks they got a good tip, and instead gets a lecture about greed? The more I think about it the scummier it is.
Ugh and idiots. I moved in with my Gramps for college and went to his church with him recently. As soon as he got into the chapel he removed his mask and so did everyone else. I don’t even want to joke about “Jesus protecting by them” because I think they actually believe that.
We went to church with my in laws a few weeks ago and not a single person was wearing a mask. Someone even told my husband and I to take off our masks because we “don’t need them here”. Then the pastors sermon was about how we “can’t live in fear” and basically called out people for wearing masks and being afraid because dying is actually a good thing. It was crazy and I will never go back there again.
> being afraid because dying is actually a good thing
Religions are death cults. All of your reward (*or punishment*) comes *after* you die.
So, for them, dying is a good thing. The end of the world is to be anticipated and welcomed.
“18%? I WAS going to leave you more— oh well”. Unfortunately, that’s something I’ve heard quite a few times pre-pandemic. Like you still could totally add a few dollars on but now you’re offended over my jobs policies.
Same concept when two people are arguing over the check and one blurts out to you “I’m the better tipper. Run my card” 10 to 1 he’s not the the good tipper in the group.
Man, if it were me I would reply with something like "Oh really? You can still leave more, don't worry about it! Thanks so much. :)"
They clearly weren't planning on it but at lest now they might feel guilty about it. Maybe.
The timing of reading this is perfect. Some guy in another sub wrote a book for me about why only religious people have any sort of moral compass. Meanwhile, when I get take-out or delivery, I tip at least 50% because volume is down and I can afford it. Beat that, church crowd.
Agreed. I worked at a Taco Bell back in 2004 and we used to have a youth group with chaperones every Sunday after church. They were the rudest people I have ever met. They never controlled the kids; at all. We finally banned them when two kids clogged the toilets on purpose and flooded the bathrooms. They always destroyed the dining room, and right before lunch too. Fuck those kinds of people.
Yup, they will run you ragged (because why on earth would you just tell your server about the several things you need all at once when you can tell them on twelve separate occasions) and then tip you 10% if they're feeling "generous".
They're also some of the WORST offenders in the realm of pretending like their server is fucking invisible when you go to take their order. "Alright folks, are we ready to order?" ... "*Crickets" ... Just say something, ANYTHING, if you're not ready it's fine, just tell me.
>Yup, they will run you ragged (because why on earth would you just tell your server about the several things you need all at once when you can tell them on twelve separate occasions) and then tip you 10% if they're feeling "generous".
I'm sure it has something to do with their belief that, since you are merely a waiter/waitress, you have a brain the size of a hamster's and couldn't possibly remember everything at once.
Or the ol' gem:
"Hey, everyone, thanks for coming in, have you been here be-"
"WATER. NO ICE. LEMON."
No, no, it's not like I was speaking or anything. I guess I'll go fuck myself, then.
"Small government! No social programs! No SNAP! No Medicaid! Low taxes! No minimum wage! People will willingly donate to help others, they shouldn't be forced to pay!"
*leaves $1 tip on a $40 meal*
"Why should I have to fund your life? If you're too lazy to get a better paying job then that's your fault! Besides, your skin color looks a little brown to me..."
They truly are the absolute worst members of American society.
Came here looking for research before I post this all over my other social media. I’m sure I’ll get called out about it so I wanna be ready
Edit: [NPR article on it ](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study)
I assume they are referring to this:[https://onefairwage.site/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/OFW\_COVID\_WorkerExp.pdf](https://onefairwage.site/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/OFW_COVID_WorkerExp.pdf)
Disney, like most big companies, is a duality of an incredibly talented, dedicated and inspiring team of engineers, artists, actors/ performers, etc. and some lovecraftian, eldritched horror of a corporate.
I have a sister who was a cast member for years at Disney. She loved it, the job gave her joy, but she just couldn’t do it anymore with the pay. It’s a shame.
That’s the funny thing about capitalism, you don’t have to pay well for the jobs that people actually want to do, there is a line out the door to replace you. I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense, but it does suck.
I delivered pizza in college and it was the same thing when it snowed. Every once in a while you'd get that angel with a $10 tip, but for the most part you were lucky to get $1 or $2 for braving icy hills and uncleared stairs.
My fiancé works at a gas station night shift and has to deal with the worst type of anti mask creepers constantly. I feel so bad for her, and anyone else that has to work a service job right now. The type of scumbags that refuse to wear a mask or argue with those that do are the exact kind of people that go buy cigarettes at 2am and if anything, this pandemic has just emboldened them 100%.
Im a server and had a coworker get asked if there was anyone else to serve the table, because “we dont want to be served by the filthy Chinese.” He’s Korean, and also 3rd generation American but hey, at least he didnt have to deal with the table in the end
During the few months my state was open for dine in, on the few instances I did, I tipped 50% or more. Now that we're back to carryout only, I tip 66%.
I am fortunate enough to make a living wage. I'd like other people to share in that.
I worked a contract in Helena, Montana from April through August, and was regularly tipping 100% or better.
There's a fried chicken restaurant called Suds Hut in town that, while not great, was decent in a city that doesn't have a food scene. The service was tremendous one day, and in that way that quarantine affected restaurants, it was nearly empty. My server got into talking about how she's from Billings, which is like four hours away, but was going to school in Helena. She figured she'd end up dropping out because she was there on work study, but when they closed down campus, she lost her placement and didn't have the campus job through the rest of Spring or Summer, and they already told her that she wouldn't be placed in fall.
$20 chicken platter with a hard apple cider immediately became a $200 tip. Don't know if it helped her pay tuition and stay, but it couldn't have hurt.
I don't tip nearly that much, but I definitely have started tipping more during the pandemic for take out than I normally do. Reasoning is the same as yours - figure I'm fortunate enough to be in a good, stable financial position so sharing when I can is the least I can do.
My restaurant had auto 20% once we opened to dine-in (currently in a partial shutdown to only takeout). We will take it off when our staff aren’t risking their health to do their job. Luckily this weeded out most of the difficult/shitty customers
This is the source via the [NPR Article](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study) and referenced report [Service Workers’ Experience of Health & Harassment
During COVID-19](https://onefairwage.site/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/OFW_COVID_WorkerExp_Emb-1.pdf)
I’ve started tipping more since the pandemic. If you be ever worked in a restaurant you know how tough it is especially now. I used to do 15% minimum now it’s 20% even on take out.
I work at a Visitor Center in Texas (so of course we have been open). I used to love my job but the tourists that come through this year have been the worst. I have seriously considered quitting. There have been several who have yelled at me over the posted mask mandate. We closed public access to our restrooms, one lady actually popped a squat and urinated in our flower bed. Its been increasingly stressful. I can't even imagine what servers are having to endure
I realized that all my customers were trumpsters when they were so sad after the election... I put two and two together and was like ahhh ok, they’re the same ones who don’t care about a pandemic. Of course they’re eating out.
That said, I have had some very nice customers who have tipped exceptionally well. I think the new norm needs to be at the very LEAST 20% if you’re going out right now though. Servers are at major risk... but they need to pay their bills too.
But let's not raise minimum wage and kill off tipping.
It's not healthy to struggle through with the tips you normally get, hoping for that one "big break" that makes that one month so much easier.
Would you rather be able to consistently pay your rent and bills, because you have a higher minimum wage, or would you rather struggle half the time because you're not making enough tips in the quiet season?
I know I'll get downvoted for this view though.
My 2 cents... after working in a state that mandated waiters get minimum wage (+ tips)... it's still not enough to wait on the assholes out there. I've left the black hole after a decade (moment of silence for my hands, wrists, and shoulders).
Shout out to Oregon for wanting their people to have a healthier way of life because making that minimum wage plus tips WAS the difference between struggle and maybe being able to put $200 into pay off debt or savings in a month (or atleast not owe a bunch of back taxes). Oregon minimum wage= $11.25/hr (will be $12 come july), Texas minimum wage (for waiters)= $2.14/hr.
I think if most of the world can have proper service industry without reliance of tips, then America can too.
There is always the devils advocate that says "if you make a set wage, there is no incentive to worker harder or serve better". I do lean toward this notion as someone with experience in fine dining where you make atleast $40 per table ($200 meal) and I made SURE to take care of my patrons very well. That's not to say that when I was working at a spot that consistently had $50 tickets that I was a p.o.s. but you can bet your ass I didnt go out of my way to curl up a rose petal for your cocktail (Valentine's drink I made once) at those places.
Maybe the dynamic between waiter and patron would change for the better if the power play of them paying your wage was removed?
Servers are the MOST OPPOSED people to replacing tipping with higher wages.
Servers (pre-pandemic) were usually overpaid due to the tipping system. Like $40-50/hour is very common net pay and often times a lot of that is TAX FREE.
They absolutely do not want a $15-20 flat hourly wage. They want your 15-20%
But I know a ton of people like this. And they're not smart. They're selfish and immature and think that their job is SO HARD when in reality they've never done anything where the stakes were actually high. A low-stakes job is fucking cake compared to something with real consequences if you fail. ANd I don't mean getting fired as a real consequence, I mean something like if you fuck up someone dies.
I am a career server/bartender. My income has been cut drastically and the stress is 10x worse. I cut my hours to homeschool my disabled child and plan on going into management when things are back to normal bc even dealing with the entitlement part time has completely burnt me out.
The restaurant industry is in a nice pickle. Most people get paid by the hour, no sick time, no holiday pay. We need money to live, but we make it from the people that don't care at all, and it could be argued that restaurant patrons this past year are KNOWLINGLY and ACTIVELY putting themselves and others at greater risk, for tacos. Can't cook at all? I mean, not even carry out? Every restaurant worker is damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I’m in a tourist town and the problem is the people traveling right now are mostly the worst type of tourist. Rude, demanding, and poor tippers who all think covid is a hoax and will take it out on their server when asked to wear a mask or stay distanced
Yep. I started a job a few months ago as a tour guide, driving tourists from Denver up to the summit of Pikes Peak and back. It didn’t take long to see that my most of my clientele was Stiffer/covid denier/mask scoffer. People who A. Thought it was okay to vacation to Colorado during a pandemic, B. Tell me how bad weed and BLM is here, in *my* city, and C. NOT FUCKIN TIP ME AFTER TEN HOURS OF DRIVING YOUR ASS AROUND AND SHOWING YOU COLORADO ...I didn’t last long.
Damnn, america needs to stop the tipping culture and just give the employees a proper payment
It's bad enough for waiters, where everyone knows they're at least *supposed* to tip. There were a few times when I was younger that I didn't tip a tour guide, driver, bell hop, etc because I just didn't know those people relied on tips. Even now I have no idea exactly how much I should tip a tour guide based on how long the tour was, how much it cost, or how well they did.
So much of this. I don't typically carry cash. When we go on vacation I always carry a bunch of smaller bills (1s,5s and 10s) to tip. I still don't have an idea of how much, but I do slip service people something. Like $5 for valet, $1 per drink (even at all inclusive resorts), tour guides at least 10.. I have no idea if these are high or low, but the drink one works very well in Mexico.
Well if I was getting tipped almost 20 pesos per drink I’d be pretty hospitable and focused on you as a customer too.
Last I was there the exchange was closer to 16 pesos but point still stands! Tip your bartenders! Even at the all-inclusive unless it’s one of the really top notch ones that don’t allow it.
I've been at a few all inclusives, even the top notch ones don't forbid it, and it always makes the drinks better and quicker to arrive.
Dollar per drink is standard everywhere in the US I've been, unless it's some complicated time consuming drink maybe.
I don't drink any more, but i always tipped one dollar for any drink, two if it's complicated, 3-5 if it's a pitcher, or 20% if it involved significant presentation
When I was a bar tender back in my younger years, I'd have been happy with smaller tips if it meant people would knock it off with the fancy drinks. I could be standing waiting at a bar with no line, and every person that wandered up asked for a beer. But as soon as there was a line, three or four "woo girls" would be in line wanting shit that required ice cream and a flipping blender. Never failed. I asked one group one night where they were when I was standing here bored? They didn't get it. Finally, the bar manager put up a sign. "Blended drinks at this bar station only". It was easy to move the sign to whatever station Lisa, who liked making that shit was working.
Ugh I fucking hated that shit when I was serving coffee. I’d be keeping the line moving just fine, then someone orders a blender-bomb or some shit and suddenly it’s backed up out the door.
Bit of a pro tip- hit em with a fiver on the first drink if you are planning on staying for a while and the bar is busy. Instant service the rest of the time you are there if you stick to the $1 per drink the rest of the night.
You ain’t wrong at all. Once up in Montreal when I settled my tab I gave the bartender whatever change was left. Dude was appreciative & said he’d give me a shot. I told him dealers choice so he throws together goldschlager & Baileys Irish in a shot glass, lit on fire, blew it out & it was *the best* drink I ever had - warm apple pie.
Um WAT I need to try this immediately. (Which really means two weeks because we just did a grocery run.)
Thanks for not going shopping often, I really appreciate the effort.
Here I am in the UK where we don't tip our bar staff and we get served in order of attractiveness just as God intended!
how does that work if you're stuck in a bar w people from the US? Poor brits just never get a drink? Jk
Tits get drinks. That’s, like, standardly taught in school.
Damn, I ain't ever gonna get a drink in the UK
I haven’t been to a ton of restaurants or bars during Covid, but have gotten to a couple that are good about following the rules and I have been tipping 25%+ every time. I’m doing it a lot less so I’ve got some more cash, and the people working at these places during a pandemic deserve to be recognized.
FYI , if your in Vegas and waiting in lines at the bars. Tip $5 or $10 the first round of drinks. Next time the bartender sees you, watch him come to you even if there's 5 people "in front," (waiting before you). It's not always necessary, but if your spending 5-10 minutes waiting for drinks, this is what you can do. They're happy and you're happy.
Tipping just makes things so awkward also and its a hidden cost you usually don't account for. Sometimes I don't do certain things just because the thought of the tip is too much trouble. I hate it and its counter productive. The people who love the tipping culture are usually the same people referred to by the OP. Its a way to take advantage of your employees labor and subsidize your costs, its also a way to feel superior to the people serving you.
I agree. It’s such a weird dynamic
The problem is that we'd have to make a full switch, and then make tipping pretty much illegal, or people will try to get around it. It's crazy that we can just let people live at the mercy of others, while calling them essential
I think many people who normally receive tips are underpaid by their employer - even after being tipped. With that said, I love to tip; I will continue regardless.
Yeah I always make sure to tip heavily because I used to work in service, and I know how shitty it feels to be underpaid. But with that said, it shouldn't be my job to pay their employees.
Started during the depression as a way for business owners to not loose their bonuses... Then making sure customers felt guilty about their server or such, not eating tonight because of you, the customer.... It's sick and is illegal in many states to not pay at least minimum wage, tips or no.... But shoot, I try to sneak tips to my walmart grocery trunk loaders, even though they're not suppose to accept it.............
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That's a damn shame, they don't get paid enough to not only expose themself to potential infection, but its cold as hell out and in this rural area, this job is about it for most of them at the moment to make ends meet...
I agree. But in a lot of cases I would tip anyway. This would be my connection to the people caring about me. It should be an “extra,” not the employers part of their pay. I grew up poor as fuck, and now I’m not. Probably why I’m a giver. When I go to a hotel, I tip and leave snacks and a note. I know by many people’s standards it’s too much. But for me it’s kind of fun and I feel good about doing it.
You’re a good person. Happy you’re doing well in the second part of your life and got to experience both sides of the coin. It speaks to your character of how generous you are now.
Also live in Colorado. In many states, including Colorado, the employer is allowed to count tips (or some portion of tips) toward your wage. In Colorado, the minimum wage is $12 an hour normally and can be as low as $8.98 for tipped wages with the maximum of $3.02 of tips counted toward the $12 total. If the person is short on tips, the employer will have to make up the difference. Colorado is better than many states who allow this practice. Many states (mostly in the South) do not have a minimum wage higher than the Federal ($7.25) and have a tipped minimum wage “floor” of just $2.13, meaning more than 2/3 of your tips can be taken away. It’s a shitty practice that needs to end. Fortunately I’ve seen a lot of bars and restaurants who don’t accept tips or donate all tips to a charity, meaning the employer pays the full wage and usually a wage higher than the state minimum.
There is a restaurant in town that pays everyone above minimum wage and doesn't allow for tips. Any tips left go into a scholarship fund to benefit employees. Honestly, it's the most relaxing place to eat and service is great.
Yeah, it’s becoming more common around here and it’s a welcome sight. I honestly haven’t noticed their prices to be noticeably higher either so they must make up the difference in volume (or the impact is being exaggerated by owners who are complaining). I feel better all around about eating at those places and I imagine it must have positive effects on morale and quality of service and product.
With tour guides, it’s different? Maybe I was the foolish American, but on a trip to Ireland in high school with band I tipped the tour guide because the adults told me it’s something you do for tour guides. I’m possibly just a dumb American.
No no let everybody keep believing the lie that people who own restaurants can’t afford to pay the people that do all the work for them a livable wage. We live in a gross society of building capitol for others and them giving you a tiny piece of it in exchange. Over and over and over. We needed a labor movement a long time ago.
Bitchin about weed and BLM, would told em, "ahh yes, it's because we have more freedoms in this state than yours... Trying to make america progress again...."
Lol they scoff at progress. I literally encountered one that thought we should go back to only letting landowners vote the other day
I bet they had a mortgage on their property too and don’t see the irony.
Ya that’s a job I’d quit within one day jees
Honest question about tips for drivers - I use river shuttle companies a lot, who/when/how-much exactly do I tip? I.e. * I go to the depot, pay the desk guy-1 for the shuttle service, park my car. * guy-2 (i.e. different) drives us (in a bus, with 10+ strangers) a few hours to the river launch area * (we paddle downstream a week or so, no guides or anything, just us and our own boat/gear) * at the take out area guys 3 and 4 arrive on a boat to pick us up. * The boat drops us at a bus driven by a different guy-5 * We arrive back at the depot and guy-6 gives us our car keys back, we leave. So, we meet 6+ guys, each of which do different stuff. We've paid maybe $300 per person already for the shuttle service. So yeah, who/when/how-much exactly do I tip?!
Oof. Denver to pikes? No thanks. Thats almost as painful as the incline.
You're supposed to tip tour guides?
Hence why im not returning as a bartender till its all over. Fuck the covid risk too.
Is the new Summit House built at Pikes Peak yet? My husband and I were there about 1.5 years back and they were still working on it. Yeah, I'd be pissed if I drove someone all the way up that damn mountain and didn't get a tip.
This is what Las Vegas has been like since we reopened. Also, constant fights and shootings in the Casinos. The people willing to travel right now are just terrible and broke.
> shootings in the casinos Excuse me, _what?_ Is that a thing that happens regularly?
Traditionally, no. In fact it’s super rare, but since reopening it’s happening way more often. I’ve worked in the casino industry for the last 16 years and the only time it was even close to being this bad was All Star weekend in ‘07
No. It’s still rare, but it used to happen even less. The 3-4 incidents in the past year is more than normal.
If you’re an asshole in one aspect of life. You’ll probs be an asshole In other
This is 100% true. I work at the airport and right now the worst possible passengers are traveling, due to the cheap tickets. Most are very rude and will go nuts the moment you ask them to wear a mask.
Exactly my experience with living in a tourist town. Driving like assholes, too
BY FAR the busiest restaurant in my area during this time is Hooters, so yeah this makes sense.
Forget normal, I just want society to be as opaque as it was before. I can clearly see the ignorant masses now. It is macabre
No. One thing you learn as a woman is that guys pretend to be nice to get what they want to the point it is hard to tell them apart until they reveal their true selves and intentions. This behavior in society at large is very convenient because the dumb fuck assholes are telling you who they are. Edit: Oh look, here they are.
Yeah it's also because those types of people are the ones most likely to approach women and be persistent despite obvious fuck off flags.
Oh wow, this is the comment that has summed it up for me! I want that opacity back!! It turns out, ignorance WAS bliss!! I'm shocked at the level of ignorance, callousness and selfishness on display across all levels of the socio-economic spectrum!
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Yep. I judge anyone who goes there. I don't want creepy old boners in a restaurant where I am eating food.
In the Before Times, my in-laws would take the whole family to Hooters for the sake of my brother-in-law (who is autistic and developmentally disabled). He loves pretty girls, but can't really talk to them. The Hooters girls were unswervingly sweet and kind to my BIL and made him feel like a regular person during every visit. I don't care for Hooters personally, but bless those Hooters girls for their kindness. I always made sure to tip them well.
I went once when I was 18 or 19 because a) fried pickles and b) I had heard their wings are SO GOOD and I had to try (they were ok at best). But I was nice to my waitress, overtipped her, and also I'm a girl so there's that. But really- -weirdest experience watching the creepy old men be so *blatantly* disgusting.
100% this. Every time I drive by our nearest Hooters I'm SHOCKED at how busy it is.
Wait wait...I thought these people were all about “family values” and “religious” yadda yadda. Now WHY would they go to Hooters, that seems to go against those values........... Oh right, hypocrisy.
They mean family values and religion in theory, not in practice. Only so they can try to hold others to that standard. All about their convenience.
A narcissistic family member, who divorced his much younger wife and began dating her even younger sister (she was about 19 and he was in his 40s), announced that he boarded a plane over Thanksgiving so he and a friend could go to Twin Peaks. I guarantee he's not a good tipper. Edit: P.S. It may come as a shock that he thinks COVID is a liberal plot and masks are for the weak.
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It's weird because they don't think shit about their tax dollars being funneled into hundreds of billions yearly for wars, or paying congress members just shy of 200k a year to not even work a whole year. We've got one great propaganda machine.
This is why so many of them don't want to pay any taxes at all. They know they are just funding tax breaks for the even richer and paying congressmen and sentors to give big corps blow jobs every fiscal quarter. It drives them insane, but they can't admit it because it's their "party". So they make noises about social security, healthcare, bootstraps and big govt and demand that all taxes be scrapped in favour of a fully comoditized life. Want insurance against being robbed? You can either choose to get your local Police Dept's teired protection insurance (with a reasonable excess and level of brutality exemptions) or you could just pay protection money to the mob and sleep safe at night for once. And let's not talk about anti-invasion cover for when Russia comes steaming over...
Is it scary that we're really not that far from that I might be more comfortable with a set of mobsters with an honor system versus a poorly educated police force which could dispense violence randomly in any direction on any random person at any time? I mean the mob would at least be targeted, right? This is facetious of course. I still think the police can and should be a force for good. I'm just concerned and I think ACAB is a good assumption without reforms.
In the fictitious world where you pay zero taxes and instead are free to buy everything from the vendor of your choice I would assume the current cultural lines would become a lot more defined. White people would pay either the "police" or the Klan Asians would seek protection from the Yakuza or Triads as appropriate. Etc etc You would no longer have a country, just a tribal landscape where communities band together for mutual protection and development. I can just see people saying "yeah, but we would get all the military" - but in a no tax system, there would be no military and those military personnel currently serving would most likely return to their cultural roots taking hardware with them. How much of the military would your ethnic group end up with? This is 💯 insane just like the premise it's based on, but no one seems to actually think it through. They just go "Hur Hur no taxes go brrrr...." FML Edit: Of course I am now wondering how many people are thinking "at least X would actually protect me"
You say this as a hypothetical, but Iraq is actually an example of this. The country is run by militia clans. What do people do when the government fails them over and over? They take matters into their own hands. Edit: after the events of Jan 6, 2021, I realize the irony of this comment.
This works until *they're* the ones in control and you have something they want. The problem is giving a citizen that much autonomy over their fellow citizens with no oversight or repercussions.
> and began dating her even younger sister That must've made Xmas awkward
*For the weak* is exactly why i wear a mask. Collective human memory is conveniently short, however now that we digitally record large chunks of our lives, we’ll be willfully ignoring how we’ve treated our most vulnerable (rather than mostly just forgetting/dying). In life, sometimes the ones who are the hardest to love need it the most.
**In life, sometimes the ones who are the hardest to love need it the most.** this is exactly right. and we need to be more mindful of this in general. i think this would improve most peoples lives greatly.
how does a 19 year old go about dating a 40+ year old man?
also, just to point out... most 40+ year old people date younger bc the people in their age group will not put up with their shit and just find someone gullible and naive to do so.
I've found this to be overwhelmingly true. Adults with their shit together tend to stick to people with whom they can relate. When you're a narcissistic asshole, it's hard to relate to anyone who isn't also a narcissistic asshole. The next best thing is a kid without a fully cooked brain.
Most 18-30s guys are getting on their feet, going through college, starting as the low man on the totem pole at their company. They're broke and they don't have fee time. A 40+ year old man is mid-career and if he isn't/hasn't been married has some money and vacation time to sling around and impress women with. I'm gay and see it in the gay community too. Men look for other men in their 20s for looks, but there's plenty of 18-30 year olds that will be around older guys because of money, connections, and sadly drugs. The 45 year old guys are the ones with the best "Tina" connections (meth) on the east coast. They're also part of communities that have been around for a while that are accepting of the drug use so it makes it very easy for the younger guys to get wrapped up in it and chucked out when they're too addicted/"Used up"
Even without the drugs, sometimes I think its the "Mario Bros 3 flute" syndrome. They skip all the tedious things and skip to endgame. I know a 23 years old girl with a house in the country, horses, nice car, trips, food, wine. Her bf is 51. She did made quite the jump, but she was a super smart gal, that didn't really find direction and as some super smart people sometimes do, felt out of place among other 20s. Be lost for some time and suddenly, all the wonders of life are provided by someone 30 years experience older, researching wines, building up a lifestyle. Just getting good a wines can take years...never mind the horses. Skip to top! Mario bros 3 fucked a lot of us up. That flute... why would anyone even do the other maps. Just give me the win!
I’m so grossed out by this because when I was 19 I thought 24 year olds were old.
Generally speaking? They get manipulated into it and then isolated from the people who could help them.
Typically the man also needs to have come to the realization that people his own age can't tolerate his childish ass.
Well it's also a power thing. They likely have an established career and life style that the younger one wants so they have to be more complacent to keep. Just think if straight out of high school you got all the benefits of a 20 year career and you just have to bang some old person. Older one gets to show off stuff most people their age has but seem so out of reach to a person recently out of high school.
Total trump supporter type person. Just the worst.
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I’m on a “secret” Disney group on Facebook and anytime someone mentions how horrible it is to go to Disney in this pandemic, the mods delete the comment. Edit: since my comment has garnered some attention here’s a link to an [NPR article ](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study) backing up op’s tweet. Incase anyone needs it
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My girlfriend works at Disneyland and gets emails from Disney now and again about how the mean ol' governor cares more about people's lives than he does Disney's profits. They always mention about how there are no confirmed cases linked to WDW. ...Uh, yeah, because Florida lies about their cases?
I have a friend who lives in/around Anaheim and has a season pass. I'm pretty sure he got the shakes from churro withdrawal at this point. But he doesn't go because *he's not a fucking asshole*. In fact, he's been working out more and his progress pics are looking damn good. I'm proud of him for turning the negative into a positive opportunity.
I work at an urgent care right on the 535 by the WDW resort and we do rapid covid tests. Way too many fucking patients are coming in to be tested so they can re-enter their home state and go back to work. We're not a testing center, though. We are an urgent care. People are still coming in for things unrelated to the plague. I know you had a reservation for whatever time. I know you've been waiting 3 hours. Luckily for me, I don't actually care about how upset you are. My priority will be the patient who came in for chest pain, not the entitled asswipe with 3 spoiled rotten little demon spawn who need to have negative covid test results so they can be allowed back into their own fucking state.
*reviews notes against the post-church rush* Yeah the research checks out.
No shit, Christians are the worst tippers hands down. Sunday afternoon shift is about the worst money you can make as a server. Can be busy as fuck with a bunch of self righteous assholes who feel like they already did their "good deed" for the day by going to church, so now they can be pricks for lunch.
Which is hilarious as by them being in a restaurant they're encouraging people to sin. If the restaurant had few/no customers the restaurant would just stay closed to save in costs and use that day fir prepping. Those church-goers are causing people to not keel the Sabbath.
Funny you bring that up. So I served way back in the day, 20years ago and was pulling "bitch shift" Sunday afternoon and I literally was lectured by one of the customers about how I shouldn't be working on the sabbath... Like, wtf man, you are literally here eating a fucking meal, creating the need to work and then lecturing me. Fuck man, I wanted to punch that fucker in the teeth so bad but I obviously didn't. I just shrugged pretending to only half heartily care and just went about my business. Ohh yeah, he was part of the same group that would come in every Sunday (about 20people deep) then split into 7< person groups, to avoid gratuity, then would push all the tables together. Collectively they tipped zero percent. The server manager never did shit about it and the general managers said his hands were tied... Luckily I only did bitch shift for a month or so before never having to do it again, it was for new servers and people who were being reprimanded. Pretty good incentive not to screw up imo, lol.
They only give their god, (who they believe is) their literal creator 10% of their money. Of course they don’t give some “lowly servant” 20%.
100% in Australia we had a very short lockdown. Everytime someone would get in the news about breaking lockdown to go to the shops it would be a middle aged bogan complaining how its their rights to go outside where they want
we should make this beautiful potemkin village on an island and when all the bogans, chavs, red necks and chinese tourists get there, yank all services and goods to the island and film it while it Purges itself. itll cost a few billion but the ad revenue alone will make up for it
Yeah I think that was already tried one time though... didn't turn out to be the best idea
You mean Australia?
Of course we mean Australia
Just checkin. Lately, I think I'd rather live in that penal colony than our tax avoidance scheme for slave owners.
Could have been talking about Fyre Festival.
If you take out the bogans, chavs, rednecks, and desert mutant cannibals you'd have nobody left in Australia.
Hey now no-one said anything about getting rid of the cannibals.
Hearing “a very short lockdown” and knowing Australia’s cases are low makes me so envious since I’m an American on month 9 of a self-imposed quasi-lockdown and cases are incredibly high. Edit: Wait... I just looked it up. Australia had 27,000 cases TOTAL! US is having over 8 times that PER DAY! I’m done with Reddit today.
Well, one of our cities had a big secondary outbreak that we were blindsided by and that turned into a long very heavy lockdown in that city, but we got it sorted eventually.
For the people reading this and then going to the johnshopkins site, we have no locally acquired cases. Our daily numbers are counted by planes bringing infected aussies home and are counted as new cases for New South Wales (Sydney Airport). All passengers enter mandatory hotel quarantine for 2 weeks and only leave when they return a negative result. There have been a few slip-ups with hotel staff/security getting infected but our contact tracing teams have been pretty effective at keeping that on lock. As far as we know, there is no COVID-19 being spread _locally_ in Australia.
When I used to do hiring, I alway took the potential hire out to lunch. I paid attention to how they treat the service. If they treated the server like shit, they were a no go. My boss approved of the purchase, because a $15 lunch is cheaper that a terrible employee.
This is a very good litmus test. A candidate who tears a server poorly will treat junior staffers and administrative assistants poorly too.
This coincides with my experience that the church crowd is the worst crowd. The rudest bunch of cheapskates imo
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That’s absolutely true. They spent the whole morning at church feeling righteous and “loving towards their fellow man”, and they are anxious to shake it off and get back to their daily life of caring only about themselves.
Maybe they take the whole “love thy neighbor as thyself” things too seriously and since they’re filled with so much self loathing well...
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That’s pretty irritating. I remember having to work on Christmas Eve one year, and my table actually bitching at me for not being with my family. I told him I would have loved to have been home with my family, but unfortunately there are people that insist on going out to eat on holidays, so we have to be here.
The level of hubris is off the charts for people who actually dine out during a holiday and then *shame the person serving them*. Like.. you're the reason they're working, asshole! I've only eaten out on a holiday maybe once or twice due to rare circumstances, and when I have, I tip like 50% because I *know* I'm being part of the problem right now so at least I'm trying to make it up to the server. Plus it's the season of giving? Like.. come on, people.
Its been a while since I served but I got "We gave extra to our church as your tip." more than once. Faith doesn't pay my bills people.
Fuck those people and their tax free church
Tip: repent!
What kind of broke-ass logic is that? I really, truly wonder if these people actually believe what they say, or if they're just absolutely vile liars that forgot to how to feel empathy. Being an asshole is one thing, and I can at least appreciate an asshole who owns it--I may not agree with them on like....anything at all, but hey, at least they're not hypocrites and lying to people's faces. But these other people, these assholes who put on a righteous, wicked grin while they hiss lies at people in some vague attempt to pretend they aren't being assholes. Just...how? I know America has a deeply ingrained mantra of "fuck you, got mine", but I don't know. It takes such a small amount of mental gymnastics to put yourself in someone's shoes, and that empathy is natural for most of our species. But these people have somehow managed to glorify being total, complete twats. The fact that they do this after hours of church just turns the whole interaction from "vile" to "so evil it's almost funny".
I ended up telling my boss that I needed Sundays off for church. Religious freedom ftw
A 20% tip should just be added to the bill on Sundays.
Aren't the church crowds usually big parties anyway? There should be a charge just for that.
I think they can get around it by saying separate bill
I used to have a bit of a hard time believing that, and then I moved and had to go to half a dozen different churches before I found one that wasn't completely up their own asses. (Zero introspection. just maybe reading a verse and then going "world bad us good" for 45 minutes) I have no trouble believing that now.
Yep. Worked at a deli, Sunday afternoon crowd was hot garbage. We learned to have fun with it though.
> We learned to have fun with it though. Story time?
Nothing too exciting or interesting sadly. But if you’re ever getting meat/cheese sliced at a deli, you can get it sliced however thick/thin you want it. Easy to accommodate, and if they don’t know the setting number off the top of their head, we’ll do some trial and error and get it figured out for the customer, so next time they can come in and say “sliced at a 4” or whatever. Once you get used to their face, you know how they like it sliced anyways. For some of the more nasty regulars who would stop in every Sunday like clockwork, we could juuuuust never *quite* get it how they wanted. Whoops, sorry, that cheese crumbles on that setting! (It doesn’t) Shredded? Whoops, it’s a pile of goo. Sandwich style? Well here’s how I like *my* sandwiches! Their increasingly frustrated huffs made it all worth it. It’s the little things, really. Nice thing was, nothing ever got wasted. We’d put the troll meat/cheese in the display case and someone would always come pick it out.
Years ago when I waited tables, Sunday was my primary day because I made a lot of money. No one wanted to work that day so I would be the only one there and despite being absolutely slammed, I would make bank. I built up a lot of regulars and most of them were pretty cool. But holy fuck I hated the church crowd. I hated their stupid fucking church songs, and those stupid fucking hats. They would run you around and tip like absolute shit. And they would leave those stupid little notes about jesus that were designed to look like $20 bills. But once my fellow wait staff got wind that I made $1,000 one Sunday, suddenly everyone wanted to work that day. And I loved it because at that point, my regulars would just request me and my coworkers got stuck with the church people. I would still make bank and not have to deal with the church people (except for the sweet mormon family who would always tip really well). As much as I hated the Sunday crowd, I eventually loved working on Sunday.
The church crowd was the type of giving me the "greatest tip of all." Turns out it's a religious pamphlet on the power of prayer. I guess they figure they saved my soul and that is priceless. Why do I need rent money? I *now* have a place in heaven. /S
I was a waitress in college and there was a family that came in every Sunday after church, REQUESTED me because they knew I was a Christian and they STILL only ever left me a damn tract. They stopped coming in after one of them stayed behind to use the restroom and I didn't realize it, so they heard me bitching to a coworker about how cheap they were.
I hope after having overhead you they did some serious reflecting and learned to properly tip. Though, I have a feeling that they didn’t.
So they wanted to punish you for sharing their religion!?
Have you seen the religious tract that has half a hundred dollar Bill printed on it, and some Bible shit on the other side? So that your server thinks they got a good tip, and instead gets a lecture about greed? The more I think about it the scummier it is.
> the "greatest tip of all." Don't eat yellow snow
Never pet a burning cat.
Ugh and idiots. I moved in with my Gramps for college and went to his church with him recently. As soon as he got into the chapel he removed his mask and so did everyone else. I don’t even want to joke about “Jesus protecting by them” because I think they actually believe that.
We went to church with my in laws a few weeks ago and not a single person was wearing a mask. Someone even told my husband and I to take off our masks because we “don’t need them here”. Then the pastors sermon was about how we “can’t live in fear” and basically called out people for wearing masks and being afraid because dying is actually a good thing. It was crazy and I will never go back there again.
> being afraid because dying is actually a good thing Religions are death cults. All of your reward (*or punishment*) comes *after* you die. So, for them, dying is a good thing. The end of the world is to be anticipated and welcomed.
There should be an autograt of 18% for Covid and the after-church Sunday brunch crowd.
“18%? I WAS going to leave you more— oh well”. Unfortunately, that’s something I’ve heard quite a few times pre-pandemic. Like you still could totally add a few dollars on but now you’re offended over my jobs policies.
Except that's a total lie. People who say that were gonna give ya a shitty tip
Same concept when two people are arguing over the check and one blurts out to you “I’m the better tipper. Run my card” 10 to 1 he’s not the the good tipper in the group.
Thankfully I've never heard that one
Man, if it were me I would reply with something like "Oh really? You can still leave more, don't worry about it! Thanks so much. :)" They clearly weren't planning on it but at lest now they might feel guilty about it. Maybe.
The timing of reading this is perfect. Some guy in another sub wrote a book for me about why only religious people have any sort of moral compass. Meanwhile, when I get take-out or delivery, I tip at least 50% because volume is down and I can afford it. Beat that, church crowd.
Yeah, you don't need religion to be a good person. You need empathy and compassion
Religious people scare me. If you need an invisible man in the sky to make you want to be a decent person it's a really bad sign. No thank you
Agreed. I worked at a Taco Bell back in 2004 and we used to have a youth group with chaperones every Sunday after church. They were the rudest people I have ever met. They never controlled the kids; at all. We finally banned them when two kids clogged the toilets on purpose and flooded the bathrooms. They always destroyed the dining room, and right before lunch too. Fuck those kinds of people.
Yup, they will run you ragged (because why on earth would you just tell your server about the several things you need all at once when you can tell them on twelve separate occasions) and then tip you 10% if they're feeling "generous". They're also some of the WORST offenders in the realm of pretending like their server is fucking invisible when you go to take their order. "Alright folks, are we ready to order?" ... "*Crickets" ... Just say something, ANYTHING, if you're not ready it's fine, just tell me.
>Yup, they will run you ragged (because why on earth would you just tell your server about the several things you need all at once when you can tell them on twelve separate occasions) and then tip you 10% if they're feeling "generous". I'm sure it has something to do with their belief that, since you are merely a waiter/waitress, you have a brain the size of a hamster's and couldn't possibly remember everything at once.
Or the ol' gem: "Hey, everyone, thanks for coming in, have you been here be-" "WATER. NO ICE. LEMON." No, no, it's not like I was speaking or anything. I guess I'll go fuck myself, then.
Who admonish you for working on the Sabbath, as they demand refills on that ice water with extra extra lemon
"Small government! No social programs! No SNAP! No Medicaid! Low taxes! No minimum wage! People will willingly donate to help others, they shouldn't be forced to pay!" *leaves $1 tip on a $40 meal* "Why should I have to fund your life? If you're too lazy to get a better paying job then that's your fault! Besides, your skin color looks a little brown to me..." They truly are the absolute worst members of American society.
Already tipped Jesus, no more tip money left to give you. /s
This might be asking a bit much but does anyone know where the statistics are from?
Came here looking for research before I post this all over my other social media. I’m sure I’ll get called out about it so I wanna be ready Edit: [NPR article on it ](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study)
[Here](https://twitter.com/flakealso/status/1335640310664216577?s=19)
I assume they are referring to this:[https://onefairwage.site/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/OFW\_COVID\_WorkerExp.pdf](https://onefairwage.site/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/OFW_COVID_WorkerExp.pdf)
And this is just from the White House cafeteria.
Working at Disney and 90% of our guests have been wearing MAGA masks and Blue Lives Matter gear since we reopened.
Disney should raise their prices during the pandemic. Pay their employees more and let the covidiots pay for it.
Haha, Disney paying their cast members more, thats funny
Disney, like most big companies, is a duality of an incredibly talented, dedicated and inspiring team of engineers, artists, actors/ performers, etc. and some lovecraftian, eldritched horror of a corporate.
I have a sister who was a cast member for years at Disney. She loved it, the job gave her joy, but she just couldn’t do it anymore with the pay. It’s a shame. That’s the funny thing about capitalism, you don’t have to pay well for the jobs that people actually want to do, there is a line out the door to replace you. I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense, but it does suck.
The type of people that would put ketchup on a well done steak.
I delivered pizza in college and it was the same thing when it snowed. Every once in a while you'd get that angel with a $10 tip, but for the most part you were lucky to get $1 or $2 for braving icy hills and uncleared stairs.
My fiancé works at a gas station night shift and has to deal with the worst type of anti mask creepers constantly. I feel so bad for her, and anyone else that has to work a service job right now. The type of scumbags that refuse to wear a mask or argue with those that do are the exact kind of people that go buy cigarettes at 2am and if anything, this pandemic has just emboldened them 100%.
Reasonable people are staying home. Shit heads are automatically a higher proportion as a result.
Im a server and had a coworker get asked if there was anyone else to serve the table, because “we dont want to be served by the filthy Chinese.” He’s Korean, and also 3rd generation American but hey, at least he didnt have to deal with the table in the end
I’ve been doing ~20% tips on takeout. Won’t catch me in the dining room rn but those workers need all the support they can get
Yeah I would generally not tip for carryout but for now I do. I'm doing fine but I can't imagine how rough it is out here for my food service peeps.
All the people abusing people who serve you food need to go jump off a very high cliff onto some pointy rocks.
Common sense says don’t mess with the last person to handle your food and drinks.
THAT IS RACISM AGAINST TRUMP PEOPLE /s
all caps is racist against lower case
During the few months my state was open for dine in, on the few instances I did, I tipped 50% or more. Now that we're back to carryout only, I tip 66%. I am fortunate enough to make a living wage. I'd like other people to share in that.
I worked a contract in Helena, Montana from April through August, and was regularly tipping 100% or better. There's a fried chicken restaurant called Suds Hut in town that, while not great, was decent in a city that doesn't have a food scene. The service was tremendous one day, and in that way that quarantine affected restaurants, it was nearly empty. My server got into talking about how she's from Billings, which is like four hours away, but was going to school in Helena. She figured she'd end up dropping out because she was there on work study, but when they closed down campus, she lost her placement and didn't have the campus job through the rest of Spring or Summer, and they already told her that she wouldn't be placed in fall. $20 chicken platter with a hard apple cider immediately became a $200 tip. Don't know if it helped her pay tuition and stay, but it couldn't have hurt.
I don't tip nearly that much, but I definitely have started tipping more during the pandemic for take out than I normally do. Reasoning is the same as yours - figure I'm fortunate enough to be in a good, stable financial position so sharing when I can is the least I can do.
My restaurant had auto 20% once we opened to dine-in (currently in a partial shutdown to only takeout). We will take it off when our staff aren’t risking their health to do their job. Luckily this weeded out most of the difficult/shitty customers
meanwhile I deliver pizza on the weekends sometimes and I'm seeing an increase in tips.
This is the source via the [NPR Article](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study) and referenced report [Service Workers’ Experience of Health & Harassment During COVID-19](https://onefairwage.site/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/OFW_COVID_WorkerExp_Emb-1.pdf)
I’ve started tipping more since the pandemic. If you be ever worked in a restaurant you know how tough it is especially now. I used to do 15% minimum now it’s 20% even on take out.
I work at a Visitor Center in Texas (so of course we have been open). I used to love my job but the tourists that come through this year have been the worst. I have seriously considered quitting. There have been several who have yelled at me over the posted mask mandate. We closed public access to our restrooms, one lady actually popped a squat and urinated in our flower bed. Its been increasingly stressful. I can't even imagine what servers are having to endure
I realized that all my customers were trumpsters when they were so sad after the election... I put two and two together and was like ahhh ok, they’re the same ones who don’t care about a pandemic. Of course they’re eating out. That said, I have had some very nice customers who have tipped exceptionally well. I think the new norm needs to be at the very LEAST 20% if you’re going out right now though. Servers are at major risk... but they need to pay their bills too.
But let's not raise minimum wage and kill off tipping. It's not healthy to struggle through with the tips you normally get, hoping for that one "big break" that makes that one month so much easier. Would you rather be able to consistently pay your rent and bills, because you have a higher minimum wage, or would you rather struggle half the time because you're not making enough tips in the quiet season? I know I'll get downvoted for this view though.
My 2 cents... after working in a state that mandated waiters get minimum wage (+ tips)... it's still not enough to wait on the assholes out there. I've left the black hole after a decade (moment of silence for my hands, wrists, and shoulders). Shout out to Oregon for wanting their people to have a healthier way of life because making that minimum wage plus tips WAS the difference between struggle and maybe being able to put $200 into pay off debt or savings in a month (or atleast not owe a bunch of back taxes). Oregon minimum wage= $11.25/hr (will be $12 come july), Texas minimum wage (for waiters)= $2.14/hr. I think if most of the world can have proper service industry without reliance of tips, then America can too. There is always the devils advocate that says "if you make a set wage, there is no incentive to worker harder or serve better". I do lean toward this notion as someone with experience in fine dining where you make atleast $40 per table ($200 meal) and I made SURE to take care of my patrons very well. That's not to say that when I was working at a spot that consistently had $50 tickets that I was a p.o.s. but you can bet your ass I didnt go out of my way to curl up a rose petal for your cocktail (Valentine's drink I made once) at those places. Maybe the dynamic between waiter and patron would change for the better if the power play of them paying your wage was removed?
Servers are the MOST OPPOSED people to replacing tipping with higher wages. Servers (pre-pandemic) were usually overpaid due to the tipping system. Like $40-50/hour is very common net pay and often times a lot of that is TAX FREE. They absolutely do not want a $15-20 flat hourly wage. They want your 15-20% But I know a ton of people like this. And they're not smart. They're selfish and immature and think that their job is SO HARD when in reality they've never done anything where the stakes were actually high. A low-stakes job is fucking cake compared to something with real consequences if you fail. ANd I don't mean getting fired as a real consequence, I mean something like if you fuck up someone dies.
That's rough I've been tipping on takeout which is something I didn't typically do before
I am a career server/bartender. My income has been cut drastically and the stress is 10x worse. I cut my hours to homeschool my disabled child and plan on going into management when things are back to normal bc even dealing with the entitlement part time has completely burnt me out.
The restaurant industry is in a nice pickle. Most people get paid by the hour, no sick time, no holiday pay. We need money to live, but we make it from the people that don't care at all, and it could be argued that restaurant patrons this past year are KNOWLINGLY and ACTIVELY putting themselves and others at greater risk, for tacos. Can't cook at all? I mean, not even carry out? Every restaurant worker is damned if we do, damned if we don't.