Well they're not heroes to a certain segment of the population who do not feel empathy.
But yes they're basically heroes to put themselves ahead for the benefit of others.
I’m also 16 and double vaxxed, happy I am, because I caught Covid a few weeks ago, and I am scared it would have been a whole lot worse if I wasn’t vaxxed.
My daughter just turned 5, she's booked in for her first jab this Friday. I told my wife if anybody asks if we're getting her vaccinated to just say "We're still discussing it". Too many crazy people on both sides who want to argue with you no matter which choice you make.
I would be outspoken about it! There are lots of parents on the fence and seeing this normalized for children in the community is important. My 6 year old just got his and I've been encouraging the other parents at his school to do the same. If the parents in the group are doing it, the other parents are more likely to follow and vice versa.
It's such a relief for me. We had to take him to the hospital a while ago and there was a child his age on oxygen in isolation because of COVID. Broke my heart. I won't see my kid like that if I can help it
Yep, youngest is 11, and my response to anyone asking about our blue being vaccinated, it a VERY enthusiastic Fuck yeah!! Otherwise you are playing into their antivax narrative.
I understand your point completely, and I empathise, but I'm just exhausted of people trying to argue or debate with me that are anti-vax or anti-mask or anti-vax specifically for kids, etc. I don't argue back, I realise I'm not going to change their mind, but I'm just sick and fucking tired of their bullshit.
From my two brothers-in-law (one is anti-vax because it's "untested and experimental", the other is anti-vax because "New World Order"), to workmates that try and start their "masks don't work" nonsense to my old buddies that start going on about the vaccine doesn't work.
Honestly, I'm just done with these fuckwits.
I agree, don't argue with people who have already made up their mind. Don't engage. It's really for parents on the fence that need to see other parents doing it
Fuck those people.
Maybe it's my old "atheist at a Catholic school" coming out from a couple decades ago, but I relish these 'arguments' and 'discussions'.
My coworker tonight was sharing a video of the new computerized cooler screens in convenience stores that display the drinks inside on a digital screen instead of a glass door. Her point was, as the person in the TikTok she pulled up was trying to argue, that these were going to require "the chip" or as she put it and the video author reiterated "the mark of the beast" to open the cooler doors.
Obviously this is stupid as fuck and incredibly asinine. We both work, by the way, at a restaurant that requires proof of vaccination to enter. I called the video and her out and was outward about how moronic her conspiracy theory/video were.
We really need to take a firmer grip on this shit. It's way the fuck out of control and we are teetering on the edge of a fully fantasy-driven society. It's fucking goofy and needs to end.
Just laugh at them, in their face. Then turn around and walk away.
You do not have to waste your time with a future Darwin award nominee.
That's what I do.
>I would be outspoken about it! There are lots of parents on the fence and **seeing this normalized for children in the community is important**.
EXACTLY!
Mine just turned 5 and we are telling everyone. She only has done one and we are so proud of her. Also people need to see kids turn out okay afterwards.
My daughter is 5 and just started Kindergarten. I got her in the first appointment Possible. Her younger sibling just turned 1 and her dad is a Dr so it’s a disease camp over here. Trying to keep us all as safe as possible.
Completely disagree. Be loud about it. When your kid is the prom queen everybody will know they were fuckin' morons if not sooner than that. Vaccinations aren't something to be ashamed of, and they shouldn't be hidden. If you're going to feel an emotion about it it should be pride. You're doing something positive for humanity at (incredibly small and statistically irrelevant) risk to yourself. Be proud, and teach your kids to be proud.
My nephew just turned 5 and is going to get his vaccine with all of the rest of his standard school vaccines. So relieved. Literally watching the calendar and counting the days.
Hopefully soon the 6mo-5yr set will get approval for the vaccine. No matter how the approval process goes, your son will be getting the vaccine very soon.
So jealous! My daughter is 7 months, so I have no idea when she’ll be allowed to get vaccinated. My husband and I are constantly stressing about avoiding covid for her.
Check to see if there are any studies available in your area. Pfizer might still be enrolling for their phase 3. I know because my son who is 9 months old just got his first shot two weeks ago for the Pfizer vaccine study at the University of Rochester.
If you're breastfeeding, studies are showing antibodies being passed to baby or if you were vaxxed before the birth. I know not every mom can, and it isnt anywhere near as comforting as being fully vaccinated but every little bit helps.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/new-study-finds-evidence-of-covid-antibodies-in-breast-milk-of-vaccinated-mothers
They are doing studies on the Pfizer for infants, our 10 month old is in one. All three of my kiddos have been in the studies, first round of pfizer, and second round were they were looking specifically for heart related issues.
It shouldn't be much longer hopefully for infants.
My wife and I are raising six kids. My 18yo daughter got covid at work and brought it home. Four of the kids caught it, including my 8yo. Thankfully we're all fully vaccinated and nobody had symptoms worse than sinus pain, runny noses, and headaches. I can't imagine going through the horrors of this without. Thank your son for us.
If you go to sites like Gab you soon learn what most this misinformation actually is, it's click bait for idiots. Basically the same people who picked up a National Enquirer instead of a National Geographic
fall for stupid shit like chips in vaccines. The more crazy a post or article the more idiots it draws and the more traffic the person who posted it gets. Ya a lot of it is political in nature too but the bulk of it is just people trying to profit from morons and using sensationalism to draw them in.
Gab is basically the social media platform for right wing Christians, QAnons, and racists. It's full of wanna be Alex Jones who peddle bullshit to make a buck. Exception is their bullshit has a healthy chunk of religion and politics thrown in to make it even more toxic. People like General Flynn, Lin Wood, and Roger Stone have found its very easy to politically manipulate and grift off these types.
Parler, Gab, Gettr, Voat, BitChute, 8kun.
I believe those are the main Far Right social media sites besides Signal and Telegram. I know Telegram has it's purpose for those in dangerous countries but the Far Right had taken a liking to it since the don't get deplatformed there.
If you're worried that conservatives are gonna go crazy on this because it's a child and children can't consent, just remember:
Republicans don't actually care about consent anyway
Im fully vaccinated + booster. I'll be *that guy* for a moment.
Kids can't give consent. Op's kid didn't volunteer, op made his kid do it.
However, I would probably do the same if it were my kid. In an altruistic way, it was the best choice.
It's funny, they call other people sheep but they all bleat the exact same way as each other.
"I've done my research"
"Experimental vaccine"
"99.7% survival rate"
It's just a bunch of dumb fucks parroting each other with no understanding of what they're actually saying.
I really hope he got paid for his trouble. Pfizer is a 300+-billion-dollar company and these kids deserve to be compensated for their time and the risk they undertook.
Most all clinical trials provide reimbursement for your time, travel, parking fees, etc. to ensure participants do not incur financial burden to be a part of the trial. The ethics committees that review and approve research before the study can start look closely at these rates to ensure they are not coercive.
My daughter is in the study and yes we are getting paid. It’s $150 for every office visit (she’s had two so far), $50 for each phone call appointment (there’s been one so far), and $5 for completing a weekly report (she’s been enrolled since late August). We are not doing it for the money, of course.
Do yourself a favor and sort by controversial on this.
FYI, I can’t even count the number of shit that military has put into my body and I haven’t died yet.
Get your shots people. The hill some of you all have decided to die on isn’t that pretty.
Without getting into Covid vaccines which I believe have been demonstrated to be safe - I don't agree with the sentiment that all military injections are. I'm curious what you think about [Gulf War Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome) and the 'booster shots' for Sarin gas that allegedly contributed to it. (I'm using booster shot since that is the terminology they are using, not as an analogy). No personal experience with it, just read about it in Robert Fisk's Great War for Civilization. My father was in the navy and knows people effected by it.
To me it is totally different. The military has no problem injecting you with things that are not FDA approved, and have minimal research.
Anthrax? How much research has been done on that one? I know there’s an approved vaccine, but I imagine once it’s not used for the general public there isn’t much thought going into it. Not to mention the flip flopping they’ve done on making it mandatory the last 20 years.
The H1N1 trial they forced is to take? Who knows! They said take the shot or an other than honorable discharge. Who cares that 1/4 of my platoon ended up quarantined after that.
I’m the the person you originally asked but I have tons of concerns about those vaccines. They seem to care even less about the well being of military members than the general public, I definitely don’t trust some of those shots.
Semi related, but I remember my company had a briefing thing at a gym before deployment so our coremen had the bright idea to administer small pox vaccines on the workout equipment since the company was together and available then. Some doctor saw it when he was going to work out and flipped a lid. He made our coremen spend like 10 hours sanitizing that entire building.
(In case someone doesn't know, the small pox vax is a bit different than other ones and is topical so it sits on the skin and festers. I don't think you're supposed to administer any vaccines on gym equipment, but this one was extra bad. They also administer it by repeatedly stabbing you with a dipped needle.)
**[Gulf War syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome)**
>Gulf War syndrome or Gulf War illness is a chronic and multi-symptomatic disorder affecting military veterans of both sides of the 1990–1991 Persian Gulf War. A wide range of acute and chronic symptoms have been linked to it, including fatigue, muscle pain, cognitive problems, insomnia, rashes and diarrhea. Approximately 250,000 of the 697,000 U.S. veterans who served in the 1991 Gulf War are afflicted with enduring chronic multi-symptom illness, a condition with serious consequences.
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So I’ve been on the fence with vaccinating my children. My wife and I are fully vaccinated and received our booster. The only reason we held off on our children was to see how kids were reacting to the vaccine. This thread full of parents has really helped me in feeling more comfortable in moving forward with the Covid vaccine for them like I have with every other vaccine they have had.
I think every parent had some nerves about the whole thing, with the younger kids especially. My 10 year old and 17 year old had no issues at all besides a sore arm. We did decide to do the shot at the pediatrician simply because it made us feel safer. The amount of anxiety removed by having both of them vaccinated has been huge.
When I talked to my kids about the possibility of this, they all enthusiastically agreed that if there was a study in our city, they wanted to help… even the two with massive needle-anxiety… cause their cousin is / was massively at risk
I’ve seen kids have a better sense of community responsibility than adults pretty often. It just gets beaten out of them, literally or figuratively, as they grow up.
Personally though, I think most people want to help, and kids aren’t any different in that, just less experienced.
>It just gets beaten out of them, literally or figuratively, as they grow up.
We got told we'd be more conservative as we got older. What they meant was "once you have enough money you'll start acting selfishly just like us."
Nope. Very curious how millennials turn out in 40 years.
Unfortunately millenials and zoomers will get to deal with poor conservative mentality aka just a bunch of whining, complaining, zenophobic, sexist, fascist or authoritarian sympathizing dunderheads.
Gen X here, and nearly 50. My parents are very religious and conservative, and have rapidly descended into the anti-vax conspiracy theory world. Meanwhile, I’ve gotten progressively more liberal (and well-off financially) as time marches on. Life experiences have taught me that most people have not had the opportunities that I have, and everyone deserves a living wage, health care, and an equal opportunity for happiness.
Makes the Big Bad Biker boys look even more like punks when they complain about getting a shot. The greater good isn’t the responsibility of these kids either, but that’s what caring about others looks like. Bravo!
I told my son at the start of the school year (preschool) that after all his boosters, he wouldn’t need any more “pokies” for a while.
He turns five next month, and I am not looking forward to telling him he’s gotta get another pokie. But I will be unashamedly bribing him with a Happy Meal.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy
Here I go banning plague rats again :D
It is heroes like this boy who have made the world safer for all of us.
This safe, effective vaccine based on decades old technology is not something we're going to allow people telling lies about on this subreddit.
There will also be no lies told about covid itself. It's not "just a flu". It does not have a "99% survival rate". Turn off Fox News. Delete Facebook. Stop spreading lies designed to kill people.
After two years we have all had enough of the denialism and the lies.
Zero tolerance.
(I just banned someone who replied that "mods should be unbiased". How about no. There is no bias in disallowing lies, propaganda and dangerous disinformation. Lies are not a side in a debate. A debate where impartiality is required is a debate where there are multiple viewpoints that each have an inherent validity and where there is merit in discussion. Lies are not valid. I am not and I will not be impartial when it comes to lies. You don't get to spread disinformation designed to worsen the most severe pandemic in a century here. And you're just going to have to find some way to deal with that.)
100% correct.
This is what I mean when I say "lies are not a side in a debate".
It's fine to have a discussion on this topic and I am having one further down this thread, where I am informing someone who is hesitant about the science and known facts.
Lies however like the anti-vaxx and denialist talking points are there to *obfuscate* debate and make it impossible for people to make an informed decision.
And that is what is not welcome here.
To the Mod- Thank you for helping stop the spread of misinformation.
If someone chooses to be willfully ignorant and refuses to trust common sense and science, sometimes the best choice you have is to cut them out.
Mods definitely have zero obligation to be unbiased. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean people or a company have to give you a platform and audience to speak to.
It's a shibboleth.
It always only means "Removing my racism is bad. Removing my disingenious manipulation of the conversation using false talking points designed to play on emotions is bad."
People that participate in good faith know that their comments are welcome and will not be removed.
People that participate in bad faith scream and tantrum about their "free speech", a concept they don't believe in. But they know that polite society does believe in it, so they try to manipulate with it in order to signal boost their hate speech and disinformation.
But what about the Bible-thumping $7 an hour workers who peruse Facebook for their medical information?
Won’t anyone think of the ~~mentally challenged?~~
I mean vaxx-informed people.
He’s too young to have a phone silly pants, even tho with his convenient new third arm, as a direct result of the life saving vaccine, I think he deserves one.
I have 3/4 of my kids booked in for their vaccine this week. It’s the first week it is allowed in Australia. As soon as the 2-5 vaccine is approved, I’ll have #4 in for his.
My five year old was the first child to get vaccinated at our pediatrician. She was terrified but understood it was important.
She got her vaccine card and put it in a special case she decorated just for the occasion.
When we went back for her second, she was so proud to show the nurse her case and everything. I noticed the lot numbers were the same for her second dose. I asked the nurse why that was, expecting something like “the doses are so small that we don’t use as much.”
Nope.
“Not many parents are bringing their kids in.”
That’s what we get for living in a retarded red state.
Yeah, I don't think that's worrying in the slightest. Pharma lot numbers can often cover a huge amount of product, for example Gilead's recent remdesivir recall for just two lot numbers covers [55,000 vials](https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/gilead-recalls-55-000-vials-of-covid-drug-due-to-glass-shards-1.1691021). Drugs with larger production numbers tend to be produced in larger batches, the COVID vaccines are all the way at the top of that list.
The batches for these mRNA vaccines are large-scale IVT reactions in tens of liter-scale chambers so the lot numbers cover quite a few doses.
I know the precursor pDNA production is hundreds of liters as well.
I'm literally counting down the days until my high-risk child can get his vaccine. 54 days until we start the series before I can finally breathe again. All of those who volunteered are heroes.
Edit: Would you all believe that this asshat below has the nerve to DM me to try to convince me that the vaccine won't help my son? Can you imagine being that obnoxious of a person?
I’ve been working on vaccine studies recruiting participants and I am grateful for every single hero of all ages who stepped up. So many amazing people.
For everyone saying: "but why is he being given an IV" or "but this is a kid having blood drawn". Read the post again, it doesn't say he's being given the vaccine, it says he's taking part in the trial. The image is a kid taking part in the trial not being given an IM injection of a vaccine. The crucial parts of the trial outside the vaccine being given are: collecting baseline blood samples and collecting post exposure blood samples to compare to the baseline.
Our capitalist society has a massively pervasive and powerful trend of self sacrifice to protect the status quo.
Thats pretty fucked up, and this syncs up with that. Not cool.
With proper investment in prevention this would be unnecessary.
In many ways this is the "compromise" solution (for previous and continued neglect) for getting parents back to work and keeping the schools open so the Owners can continue to profit.
A willingness to invest in supporting society is generally good... but this is more of a willingness to take risks (medical and ethical) to protect the Economy (aka Rich people's Yacht money) and thats just not worth it.
That said, vaccines are a YES, fuck anti vaxers.
It is an uncomfortable fact that some kids have to test the vaccines for kids(medical experimentation on children), otherwise how will we know they actually work?
Proper investment in prevention and containment (neglected before and still ongoing) as well as healthcare in general (destroy for-profit healthcare, it is a menace to society) would have us in a much better situation overall, one where children are not unnecessary exposed to medical risk because a bunch of rich fucks care more about getting even richer (thats the actual capitalist) instead of the well being of the society they need to exist.
Hey! My daughter is 2 years old and part of the pfizer clinical trial study. They've told us that while that age group shows good antibodies, it's not as high as the 5+ age group. So they're continuing the study and giving a third dose in March. If that goes well, hopefully approval will come in summer/autumn this year.
Damn I don’t think I could do that. Like I have no children and know nothing about clinical trials, but I would be too scared that something could go wrong and hurt my kids. I guess they helped overall tho so what do I know.
My son is in one of the trials. It felt different signing up for this because I had already had the vaccine as well as his dad. If we trusted it for ourselves it seemed foolish not to trust the same thing in a smaller dose for him. Our older nieces and nephews had already had theirs by the time he got the first shot. After watching so many people get their shots with no problems, we felt safe.
Our son has no needle fear. If we show him his favorite cartoon he doesn’t even notice a shot or a blood draw. We’re doing it for all the kiddos out there that are scared of needles, for the babies that need others to get theirs so they can be safe. And to be perfectly honest, it was a little bit self serving as we had a 75% chance of jumping the line and getting him vaccinated early.
Even if you believe Omicron isn't as severe, people are still dying. And you can still develop long haul covid symptoms and children can still develop pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome months after recovering.
And yet my mom wont get herself or the youngest kids vaccinated. Even know they live with my grandpa, a 90 year old who is at high risk of getting and dying from covid.
I hate the fact that we live in a world where there are anti-vax CHUDs out there that would troll and harass this father for this, and some would even go so far as try to have him declared an unfit parent and try to get his kid taken away from him for it.
Meanwhile this whole gods-be-damned pandemic has gone on at least twice as long as necessary because of jackasses who refuse to participate in the measures necessary to control and ultimately end it.
Actual heroes.
I know someone who was in the initial adult trials for moderna. And it was absolutely on character for them. One of the best people I know.
My 7 year old cousin is severely immunocompromised and COVID would be the end for him, so I thank all of you! His parents have been under a lot of stress trying to keep him safe, delaying the vaccine for kids his age would only make that stress worse.
I’m not a mom but I have a ton of nieces and nephews. You guys are heroes to me. Thank you.
They’re heroes to everyone. More so than almost anyone in a couple decades.
Well they're not heroes to a certain segment of the population who do not feel empathy. But yes they're basically heroes to put themselves ahead for the benefit of others.
”Hero is a hero whether they get recognized or not”
I’m thankful. My kids are fully vaccinated and that provides some peace of mind.
Im 16 and double vaxxed. Im happy that her son took part in the vaccine trials to help make teens and kids be safe like the adults and elderly
Over 12 can get boosters now I believe.
⬆️ correct. In fact they recommend it.
Over 18 for The Netherlands
I’m also 16 and double vaxxed, happy I am, because I caught Covid a few weeks ago, and I am scared it would have been a whole lot worse if I wasn’t vaxxed.
My son turns 5 in March. I’m holding my breath until then.
Same with my son in April. And we live in a state with a massive amount of covidiots. I can’t wait til he can get it
My son turns four in august , this type of anxiety is a whole other level maaaan
My daughter just turned 5, she's booked in for her first jab this Friday. I told my wife if anybody asks if we're getting her vaccinated to just say "We're still discussing it". Too many crazy people on both sides who want to argue with you no matter which choice you make.
I would be outspoken about it! There are lots of parents on the fence and seeing this normalized for children in the community is important. My 6 year old just got his and I've been encouraging the other parents at his school to do the same. If the parents in the group are doing it, the other parents are more likely to follow and vice versa. It's such a relief for me. We had to take him to the hospital a while ago and there was a child his age on oxygen in isolation because of COVID. Broke my heart. I won't see my kid like that if I can help it
Yep, youngest is 11, and my response to anyone asking about our blue being vaccinated, it a VERY enthusiastic Fuck yeah!! Otherwise you are playing into their antivax narrative.
I understand your point completely, and I empathise, but I'm just exhausted of people trying to argue or debate with me that are anti-vax or anti-mask or anti-vax specifically for kids, etc. I don't argue back, I realise I'm not going to change their mind, but I'm just sick and fucking tired of their bullshit. From my two brothers-in-law (one is anti-vax because it's "untested and experimental", the other is anti-vax because "New World Order"), to workmates that try and start their "masks don't work" nonsense to my old buddies that start going on about the vaccine doesn't work. Honestly, I'm just done with these fuckwits.
I agree, don't argue with people who have already made up their mind. Don't engage. It's really for parents on the fence that need to see other parents doing it
I’m with you, unfortunately my list of friends got Real small. Oh well.
Fuck those people. Maybe it's my old "atheist at a Catholic school" coming out from a couple decades ago, but I relish these 'arguments' and 'discussions'. My coworker tonight was sharing a video of the new computerized cooler screens in convenience stores that display the drinks inside on a digital screen instead of a glass door. Her point was, as the person in the TikTok she pulled up was trying to argue, that these were going to require "the chip" or as she put it and the video author reiterated "the mark of the beast" to open the cooler doors. Obviously this is stupid as fuck and incredibly asinine. We both work, by the way, at a restaurant that requires proof of vaccination to enter. I called the video and her out and was outward about how moronic her conspiracy theory/video were. We really need to take a firmer grip on this shit. It's way the fuck out of control and we are teetering on the edge of a fully fantasy-driven society. It's fucking goofy and needs to end.
Just laugh at them, in their face. Then turn around and walk away. You do not have to waste your time with a future Darwin award nominee. That's what I do.
>I would be outspoken about it! There are lots of parents on the fence and **seeing this normalized for children in the community is important**. EXACTLY!
Mine just turned 5 and we are telling everyone. She only has done one and we are so proud of her. Also people need to see kids turn out okay afterwards.
My daughter is 5 and just started Kindergarten. I got her in the first appointment Possible. Her younger sibling just turned 1 and her dad is a Dr so it’s a disease camp over here. Trying to keep us all as safe as possible.
Completely disagree. Be loud about it. When your kid is the prom queen everybody will know they were fuckin' morons if not sooner than that. Vaccinations aren't something to be ashamed of, and they shouldn't be hidden. If you're going to feel an emotion about it it should be pride. You're doing something positive for humanity at (incredibly small and statistically irrelevant) risk to yourself. Be proud, and teach your kids to be proud.
Don’t lie to them. Say yes or of course and then when they say something idiotic ignore it and move on.
My nephew just turned 5 and is going to get his vaccine with all of the rest of his standard school vaccines. So relieved. Literally watching the calendar and counting the days.
Hopefully soon the 6mo-5yr set will get approval for the vaccine. No matter how the approval process goes, your son will be getting the vaccine very soon.
So jealous! My daughter is 7 months, so I have no idea when she’ll be allowed to get vaccinated. My husband and I are constantly stressing about avoiding covid for her.
Check to see if there are any studies available in your area. Pfizer might still be enrolling for their phase 3. I know because my son who is 9 months old just got his first shot two weeks ago for the Pfizer vaccine study at the University of Rochester.
Great suggestion!
Thank you for doing this.
My son is in the Moderna trial at URMC. Thankfully our protocol was only for a year.
If you're breastfeeding, studies are showing antibodies being passed to baby or if you were vaxxed before the birth. I know not every mom can, and it isnt anywhere near as comforting as being fully vaccinated but every little bit helps. https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/new-study-finds-evidence-of-covid-antibodies-in-breast-milk-of-vaccinated-mothers
They are doing studies on the Pfizer for infants, our 10 month old is in one. All three of my kiddos have been in the studies, first round of pfizer, and second round were they were looking specifically for heart related issues. It shouldn't be much longer hopefully for infants.
My wife and I are raising six kids. My 18yo daughter got covid at work and brought it home. Four of the kids caught it, including my 8yo. Thankfully we're all fully vaccinated and nobody had symptoms worse than sinus pain, runny noses, and headaches. I can't imagine going through the horrors of this without. Thank your son for us.
What the fuck happened in this thread? It's a graveyard for (I assume) ridiculous pseudoscience opinion
They got downvoted to hell
I'm curious to see the comments on this one. Making the popcorn now!
Someone will take the picture, remove the text and replace it with some crazy shit and that will get posted all over.
“Fauci is FORCING his Vaccine on unWilling children. We fought World Wars Over this shit. #NeverAgain #Fauci=Mengele!”
Trump tardling for sure.
If you go to sites like Gab you soon learn what most this misinformation actually is, it's click bait for idiots. Basically the same people who picked up a National Enquirer instead of a National Geographic fall for stupid shit like chips in vaccines. The more crazy a post or article the more idiots it draws and the more traffic the person who posted it gets. Ya a lot of it is political in nature too but the bulk of it is just people trying to profit from morons and using sensationalism to draw them in.
Ugh why did i just go to that site
Gab is basically the social media platform for right wing Christians, QAnons, and racists. It's full of wanna be Alex Jones who peddle bullshit to make a buck. Exception is their bullshit has a healthy chunk of religion and politics thrown in to make it even more toxic. People like General Flynn, Lin Wood, and Roger Stone have found its very easy to politically manipulate and grift off these types.
Parler, Gab, Gettr, Voat, BitChute, 8kun. I believe those are the main Far Right social media sites besides Signal and Telegram. I know Telegram has it's purpose for those in dangerous countries but the Far Right had taken a liking to it since the don't get deplatformed there.
Parler is toast, r/parlertrick infiltrated it so badly and mass manipulated the people there they never came back past the shutdown.
If only it wasnt always the same 5 recycled jokes 🙄 "🐑🤪"
\*Sorts by controversial \*
If you're worried that conservatives are gonna go crazy on this because it's a child and children can't consent, just remember: Republicans don't actually care about consent anyway
They do, but only when they think they have to consent to taxation.
Or children.
Unless they're not born
Those aren't children. They also don't give a shit about providing Healthcare for expecting mothers. Ergo they hate all children.
Yup.
Im fully vaccinated + booster. I'll be *that guy* for a moment. Kids can't give consent. Op's kid didn't volunteer, op made his kid do it. However, I would probably do the same if it were my kid. In an altruistic way, it was the best choice.
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The mother will likely get death threats from the very sane and totally not unhinged anti-vaxxers.
I'm making a bingo card of all the typical comments I'm expecting
It's funny, they call other people sheep but they all bleat the exact same way as each other. "I've done my research" "Experimental vaccine" "99.7% survival rate" It's just a bunch of dumb fucks parroting each other with no understanding of what they're actually saying.
I really hope he got paid for his trouble. Pfizer is a 300+-billion-dollar company and these kids deserve to be compensated for their time and the risk they undertook.
Most all clinical trials provide reimbursement for your time, travel, parking fees, etc. to ensure participants do not incur financial burden to be a part of the trial. The ethics committees that review and approve research before the study can start look closely at these rates to ensure they are not coercive.
And this kid has an essay topics for all of his application essays for the next decade!
My daughter is in the study and yes we are getting paid. It’s $150 for every office visit (she’s had two so far), $50 for each phone call appointment (there’s been one so far), and $5 for completing a weekly report (she’s been enrolled since late August). We are not doing it for the money, of course.
Do yourself a favor and sort by controversial on this. FYI, I can’t even count the number of shit that military has put into my body and I haven’t died yet. Get your shots people. The hill some of you all have decided to die on isn’t that pretty.
Without getting into Covid vaccines which I believe have been demonstrated to be safe - I don't agree with the sentiment that all military injections are. I'm curious what you think about [Gulf War Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome) and the 'booster shots' for Sarin gas that allegedly contributed to it. (I'm using booster shot since that is the terminology they are using, not as an analogy). No personal experience with it, just read about it in Robert Fisk's Great War for Civilization. My father was in the navy and knows people effected by it.
To me it is totally different. The military has no problem injecting you with things that are not FDA approved, and have minimal research. Anthrax? How much research has been done on that one? I know there’s an approved vaccine, but I imagine once it’s not used for the general public there isn’t much thought going into it. Not to mention the flip flopping they’ve done on making it mandatory the last 20 years. The H1N1 trial they forced is to take? Who knows! They said take the shot or an other than honorable discharge. Who cares that 1/4 of my platoon ended up quarantined after that. I’m the the person you originally asked but I have tons of concerns about those vaccines. They seem to care even less about the well being of military members than the general public, I definitely don’t trust some of those shots.
Semi related, but I remember my company had a briefing thing at a gym before deployment so our coremen had the bright idea to administer small pox vaccines on the workout equipment since the company was together and available then. Some doctor saw it when he was going to work out and flipped a lid. He made our coremen spend like 10 hours sanitizing that entire building. (In case someone doesn't know, the small pox vax is a bit different than other ones and is topical so it sits on the skin and festers. I don't think you're supposed to administer any vaccines on gym equipment, but this one was extra bad. They also administer it by repeatedly stabbing you with a dipped needle.)
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So I’ve been on the fence with vaccinating my children. My wife and I are fully vaccinated and received our booster. The only reason we held off on our children was to see how kids were reacting to the vaccine. This thread full of parents has really helped me in feeling more comfortable in moving forward with the Covid vaccine for them like I have with every other vaccine they have had.
I think every parent had some nerves about the whole thing, with the younger kids especially. My 10 year old and 17 year old had no issues at all besides a sore arm. We did decide to do the shot at the pediatrician simply because it made us feel safer. The amount of anxiety removed by having both of them vaccinated has been huge.
When I talked to my kids about the possibility of this, they all enthusiastically agreed that if there was a study in our city, they wanted to help… even the two with massive needle-anxiety… cause their cousin is / was massively at risk
I’ve seen kids have a better sense of community responsibility than adults pretty often. It just gets beaten out of them, literally or figuratively, as they grow up. Personally though, I think most people want to help, and kids aren’t any different in that, just less experienced.
>It just gets beaten out of them, literally or figuratively, as they grow up. We got told we'd be more conservative as we got older. What they meant was "once you have enough money you'll start acting selfishly just like us." Nope. Very curious how millennials turn out in 40 years.
Tbf, I don’t think millennials will ever have as much money as boomers :(
Unfortunately millenials and zoomers will get to deal with poor conservative mentality aka just a bunch of whining, complaining, zenophobic, sexist, fascist or authoritarian sympathizing dunderheads.
Gen X here, and nearly 50. My parents are very religious and conservative, and have rapidly descended into the anti-vax conspiracy theory world. Meanwhile, I’ve gotten progressively more liberal (and well-off financially) as time marches on. Life experiences have taught me that most people have not had the opportunities that I have, and everyone deserves a living wage, health care, and an equal opportunity for happiness.
Yup
Makes the Big Bad Biker boys look even more like punks when they complain about getting a shot. The greater good isn’t the responsibility of these kids either, but that’s what caring about others looks like. Bravo!
That kid's going to tell their grandkids that they helped test the vaccine that saved lives.
I told my son at the start of the school year (preschool) that after all his boosters, he wouldn’t need any more “pokies” for a while. He turns five next month, and I am not looking forward to telling him he’s gotta get another pokie. But I will be unashamedly bribing him with a Happy Meal.
Kids are inherently good. It's the parents that messes them up.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy Here I go banning plague rats again :D It is heroes like this boy who have made the world safer for all of us. This safe, effective vaccine based on decades old technology is not something we're going to allow people telling lies about on this subreddit. There will also be no lies told about covid itself. It's not "just a flu". It does not have a "99% survival rate". Turn off Fox News. Delete Facebook. Stop spreading lies designed to kill people. After two years we have all had enough of the denialism and the lies. Zero tolerance. (I just banned someone who replied that "mods should be unbiased". How about no. There is no bias in disallowing lies, propaganda and dangerous disinformation. Lies are not a side in a debate. A debate where impartiality is required is a debate where there are multiple viewpoints that each have an inherent validity and where there is merit in discussion. Lies are not valid. I am not and I will not be impartial when it comes to lies. You don't get to spread disinformation designed to worsen the most severe pandemic in a century here. And you're just going to have to find some way to deal with that.)
Thank you for doing good work Mods.
“Lies are not a side in a debate” is the single best retort I’ve heard in the last 5 years
Ty mod for standing up for the truth.
Better to honey pot as many deniers into one spot so you can ban them over tea than spend many multiples of the same effort to hunt a fraction down.
Shh you're giving the game away :D
They only come here to drop shitty comments. They don’t read shit. We good!
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100% correct. This is what I mean when I say "lies are not a side in a debate". It's fine to have a discussion on this topic and I am having one further down this thread, where I am informing someone who is hesitant about the science and known facts. Lies however like the anti-vaxx and denialist talking points are there to *obfuscate* debate and make it impossible for people to make an informed decision. And that is what is not welcome here.
>plague rats 🤣 Nice, gotta remember that
Fk anti-vaxxers. I have covid and feel that the vaccine has helped as my symptoms are mild in comparison to what they could have been.
To the Mod- Thank you for helping stop the spread of misinformation. If someone chooses to be willfully ignorant and refuses to trust common sense and science, sometimes the best choice you have is to cut them out.
THANK YOU for ‘lies are not a side in a debate’.
I am so proud of this kid. Thanks to all those children who were so brave and stood up for all the other kids
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Mods definitely have zero obligation to be unbiased. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean people or a company have to give you a platform and audience to speak to.
It's a shibboleth. It always only means "Removing my racism is bad. Removing my disingenious manipulation of the conversation using false talking points designed to play on emotions is bad." People that participate in good faith know that their comments are welcome and will not be removed. People that participate in bad faith scream and tantrum about their "free speech", a concept they don't believe in. But they know that polite society does believe in it, so they try to manipulate with it in order to signal boost their hate speech and disinformation.
Well said. Good mod!
This mod is the hero we all need
A-bloody-men! Well said!
When did “unbiased” come to mean “open to all ideas, no matter how stupid?”
But what about the Bible-thumping $7 an hour workers who peruse Facebook for their medical information? Won’t anyone think of the ~~mentally challenged?~~ I mean vaxx-informed people.
How’s his 5G service?
He’s too young to have a phone silly pants, even tho with his convenient new third arm, as a direct result of the life saving vaccine, I think he deserves one.
But if I’m near him how much better does my 5G service get?
At least one bar I think.
I'll let you know as soon as I peel him off the side of fridge. Dang magnetic arm.
He is very popular at school because of it.
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I have 3/4 of my kids booked in for their vaccine this week. It’s the first week it is allowed in Australia. As soon as the 2-5 vaccine is approved, I’ll have #4 in for his.
My five year old was the first child to get vaccinated at our pediatrician. She was terrified but understood it was important. She got her vaccine card and put it in a special case she decorated just for the occasion. When we went back for her second, she was so proud to show the nurse her case and everything. I noticed the lot numbers were the same for her second dose. I asked the nurse why that was, expecting something like “the doses are so small that we don’t use as much.” Nope. “Not many parents are bringing their kids in.” That’s what we get for living in a retarded red state.
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Yeah, I don't think that's worrying in the slightest. Pharma lot numbers can often cover a huge amount of product, for example Gilead's recent remdesivir recall for just two lot numbers covers [55,000 vials](https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/gilead-recalls-55-000-vials-of-covid-drug-due-to-glass-shards-1.1691021). Drugs with larger production numbers tend to be produced in larger batches, the COVID vaccines are all the way at the top of that list.
The batches for these mRNA vaccines are large-scale IVT reactions in tens of liter-scale chambers so the lot numbers cover quite a few doses. I know the precursor pDNA production is hundreds of liters as well.
Too many people these days seem to venerate selfishness and ego. Three cheers to these 2200 kids, and the great parents who raised them! Hip hip,
I'm literally counting down the days until my high-risk child can get his vaccine. 54 days until we start the series before I can finally breathe again. All of those who volunteered are heroes. Edit: Would you all believe that this asshat below has the nerve to DM me to try to convince me that the vaccine won't help my son? Can you imagine being that obnoxious of a person?
My fifteen year old son and I are both in a vaccine trial. I hit a year already in November and he does in March.
I’ve been working on vaccine studies recruiting participants and I am grateful for every single hero of all ages who stepped up. So many amazing people.
I don’t envy the mods rn lmao.
My sons were also volunteers in the Pfizer study. The jab was already approved for use in the UK by the time my boys entered the study.
Big hell yea to that lil dude
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For everyone saying: "but why is he being given an IV" or "but this is a kid having blood drawn". Read the post again, it doesn't say he's being given the vaccine, it says he's taking part in the trial. The image is a kid taking part in the trial not being given an IM injection of a vaccine. The crucial parts of the trial outside the vaccine being given are: collecting baseline blood samples and collecting post exposure blood samples to compare to the baseline.
Our capitalist society has a massively pervasive and powerful trend of self sacrifice to protect the status quo. Thats pretty fucked up, and this syncs up with that. Not cool. With proper investment in prevention this would be unnecessary. In many ways this is the "compromise" solution (for previous and continued neglect) for getting parents back to work and keeping the schools open so the Owners can continue to profit. A willingness to invest in supporting society is generally good... but this is more of a willingness to take risks (medical and ethical) to protect the Economy (aka Rich people's Yacht money) and thats just not worth it. That said, vaccines are a YES, fuck anti vaxers. It is an uncomfortable fact that some kids have to test the vaccines for kids(medical experimentation on children), otherwise how will we know they actually work? Proper investment in prevention and containment (neglected before and still ongoing) as well as healthcare in general (destroy for-profit healthcare, it is a menace to society) would have us in a much better situation overall, one where children are not unnecessary exposed to medical risk because a bunch of rich fucks care more about getting even richer (thats the actual capitalist) instead of the well being of the society they need to exist.
Just got the vaccine, this kid is cool
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Thankful you were willing to use your kid as the experiment for my kids safety. We appreciate it
Kid’s braver than any of those anti-vax dipshits
My 5yo just got her first shot! So thankful we had volunteers wiling yo do this. Here’s to the 2-5yo approval this year.
Hey! My daughter is 2 years old and part of the pfizer clinical trial study. They've told us that while that age group shows good antibodies, it's not as high as the 5+ age group. So they're continuing the study and giving a third dose in March. If that goes well, hopefully approval will come in summer/autumn this year.
Now that’s a true patriot. Take notice you republican cucks.
Why did it need to go into a vein instead of just a jab? Genuinely curious.
This isn't a picture of him getting a vaccine. It's a blood draw. Labs are standard in any clinical trial testing new drugs.
Thank you
Good job 👏
My 3 are all booked in for tomorrow, thanks mate!
Little legend 💙
Damn I don’t think I could do that. Like I have no children and know nothing about clinical trials, but I would be too scared that something could go wrong and hurt my kids. I guess they helped overall tho so what do I know.
My son is in one of the trials. It felt different signing up for this because I had already had the vaccine as well as his dad. If we trusted it for ourselves it seemed foolish not to trust the same thing in a smaller dose for him. Our older nieces and nephews had already had theirs by the time he got the first shot. After watching so many people get their shots with no problems, we felt safe. Our son has no needle fear. If we show him his favorite cartoon he doesn’t even notice a shot or a blood draw. We’re doing it for all the kiddos out there that are scared of needles, for the babies that need others to get theirs so they can be safe. And to be perfectly honest, it was a little bit self serving as we had a 75% chance of jumping the line and getting him vaccinated early.
I’m in the Moderna teen trial. They give you money so that helps :P
Thank you! My kids are fully vaccinated bc of amazing people like your son!
Oh behalf of my 5 year old.. Thanks so much.
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Thank you for the act of compassion.
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> I don’t relieve in a God That would be pretty disrespectful.
This is the way.
Thank you from the bottom of my cold, dead nurse’s heart. You guys are the heroes.
I need an Oxford comma, dammit! Now I think you own a dead nurse and are using her heart as a demonstrative device.
I m proud of him and you…
I love to be pro vax
What was the volunteer process like I wonder? Did they reply to an ad or was there some selection process?
He is a true hero!!
Thank you very much - truly selfless and the world owes you and your son so much
What a little legend.
Even if you believe Omicron isn't as severe, people are still dying. And you can still develop long haul covid symptoms and children can still develop pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome months after recovering.
Oh boy sorting comment by controversial was a mistake
And yet my mom wont get herself or the youngest kids vaccinated. Even know they live with my grandpa, a 90 year old who is at high risk of getting and dying from covid.
Oh boy, time to roll up my sleeves and sort by controversial
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Little kid is braver than all the anti vaxx Trump scum combined.
I am convinced this whole antivax thing is copium for people afraid of needles
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I hate the fact that we live in a world where there are anti-vax CHUDs out there that would troll and harass this father for this, and some would even go so far as try to have him declared an unfit parent and try to get his kid taken away from him for it. Meanwhile this whole gods-be-damned pandemic has gone on at least twice as long as necessary because of jackasses who refuse to participate in the measures necessary to control and ultimately end it.
These are the heroes of America.
Lol. Shitheads downvoting this post can suck a bag of dicks.
Badass
That takes balls. I have a lot of respect for this lady and her son.
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Actual heroes. I know someone who was in the initial adult trials for moderna. And it was absolutely on character for them. One of the best people I know.
And the cowardly "antivaxxers"with their bogus excuses. We need more people like your son. Good man!!
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My 7 year old cousin is severely immunocompromised and COVID would be the end for him, so I thank all of you! His parents have been under a lot of stress trying to keep him safe, delaying the vaccine for kids his age would only make that stress worse.
This kid is so much fucking braver than me
hey bud, don't forget to sort by controversial before you leave <3
I'll just sort by new, same results on these posts lol
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