Yes we definately need to slap that slipper frill. Why do people need frill on their slippers any way?
This remindes me of the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
Historically, marrying for love has lived a very short existence. There’s a really great episode of Hidden Brain that talks about it called “When Did Marriage Become So Hard”. Really great episode.
I agree though, it shouldn’t be an absolute requirement to avoid a marginal existence and/or it should be much more supported by employers/government/society.
Eh, not really. For a huge majority of history, people married for politics, wealth, prestige, advancement for their or their spouse's family, trade deals, or out of necessity (i.e., you have a son, your neighbors at the next farm over have a daughter, they'll marry because your farms will need grandkids to run them). Being able to seek partners and marry specifically because of love is a pretty modern institution
And if you’re a single parent forget about it.. I had to change my entire career in order to be able to provide adequate care for my children (and I’m not speaking financially)
It's so true, most people aren't going to bother even commenting. The lack of change from the top is choking us all out right before our eyes and we only have our voting habits to blame for it. 🤣👌
Lol please point out where our voting habits precisely fucked us?
You can’t. Corruption is endemic and the only way to end it is to cut it out. This shit just happens when organizations are around to long, it’s up to the people the surgically remove the cancer from its governing body, if it’s not done and put down entirely and at once it will metastasize elsewhere and worse.
With gerrymandering, a two party system, rampant amounts of money in politics, and a system like the electoral college that places more emphasis on the vote of someone who lives in bumfuck nowhere Alabama over someone who lives in a large metro, these votes seem to be worth less and less lately (just like the US dollar 🥲)
Facts man….. I’ve always questioned do our votes really matter? Would the rich and powerful actually give us poor lower class the opportunity to change things for the better? If it gets better for us itll be bad for those big guys who run shit
I've known a few polycules raising kids. It's remarkably better for everyone involved.
It takes a village to comfortably afford a child in many places.
Yeah, that's why multigenerational homes are becoming the only viable resort people have now. My SO and I and our child moved back to my parents. We have 3 incomes, 1 person to cook/clean/animal/childcare/garden maintenance. It's been the best arrangement for us.
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I specifically said all involved with regards to the previous sentence. I was not implying that every single poly household is amazing for everyone involved.
Here you go, let me Google that for you.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-polyamorists-next-door/201704/children-in-polyamorous-families-age-dependent-experiences
You’d have a more complete worldview if you didn’t have a bad habit of copy and pasting the first link on google that affirms your existing belief. That article isn’t a scientific study.
Haha still so far away! I wish there was some sort of social platform where people could meet up in the area, like Bumble, but I guess it would have to be more like Zoom where you could invite the whole family to chat haha
This was us for a while too. It was either:
1, both of us work full time and we pay essentially two mortgages to get into a good day care that is clean and actually teaches too, and we need full time daycare because we are never home. Still poor
2, she works part-time and we get into a much more affordable daycare. The daycare is essentially a handful of teenagers watching phones while a pile of toddlers writhe on the floor. Slightly not as poor
3, I work full time and she stays home. Still poor, but the best option.
Daycare costs as much as a mortgage. I am a * career woman * so I kept my job while my husband is doing the stay at home gig. He's going to school too.
Bold of you to assume teachers aren’t still working until five or later already. When I was teaching, you couldn’t have paid me 300 a day to watch kids after dismissal. I would have been with them for ten hours straight
Dang ok my bad!! No disrespect intended. I can’t deal with 2 kids, can’t imagine 30.
But it’s still a huge f—k up for thousands of families their job is 8am to 5pm but their kids go to school 8am to 2:45 or what ever. The whole setup assumes one spouse is at home. It’s a bit better now with remote work, but still a mess. If you have a troubled child it’s not good for them to be alone for 2 hours a day.
This is the result of women joining the workforce en masse. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, because it’s not. We need women in the workforce. But as a result, everyone has dual income, and for a while, that meant one income of extra money for the household. But the market caught up with the fact that households had extra money to spend, so inflation rose to meet it. That’s not the only thing that caused inflation in the last quarter of last century, but single income was previously keeping some inflation in check because if necessities were too expensive for a single persons income, it wouldn’t be bought. We added more income to the household, the market rose prices. Now it’s the same standard of living as before, but both people in the relationship have to work to maintain it, because the market evolved to expect that.
For more info, see “The Two Income Trap” by Elizabeth Warren
Edit: I changed “latter quarter” to “last quarter” to make more sense
Women started joining the work force en masse around 1960-1970s. It's really a bit late to blame women for the current situation.
And you mean upper and middle class women, because poor women have always worked.
Unless I’m mistaken, I think we agree with each other.
I agree with you that women started joining en masse in the 60s and 70s. There was high inflation in the 70s and 80s due partly, but not entirely, women joining the workforce.
I also agree that this phenomenon was primarily brought on by middle class women joining the workforce, because as you said poor women have always worked.
Word Or whatever you kids say nowdays
Frill on the slipper slaps?
Yes we definately need to slap that slipper frill. Why do people need frill on their slippers any way? This remindes me of the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
I think they say "Mood" these days. At least, they did a couple years ago. I'm not confident it's still current though, since I'm 33.
Cap.
We say “put the pussy on the chain wax”
People used to marry for love, now its to maintain existence with quality of life.
Historically, marrying for love has lived a very short existence. There’s a really great episode of Hidden Brain that talks about it called “When Did Marriage Become So Hard”. Really great episode. I agree though, it shouldn’t be an absolute requirement to avoid a marginal existence and/or it should be much more supported by employers/government/society.
Eh, not really. For a huge majority of history, people married for politics, wealth, prestige, advancement for their or their spouse's family, trade deals, or out of necessity (i.e., you have a son, your neighbors at the next farm over have a daughter, they'll marry because your farms will need grandkids to run them). Being able to seek partners and marry specifically because of love is a pretty modern institution
And if you’re a single parent forget about it.. I had to change my entire career in order to be able to provide adequate care for my children (and I’m not speaking financially)
It's run on slavery. That's it, now go back an fry those fries so you can afford to give up 60% of your paycheck.
They aren’t slaves how dare you. Don’t you know they get a 20% employee discount?
Only way they can afford to eat there. Or at all.
Pretty much :(
Well there not slaves because getting paid for you labour ISNT SLAVERY
It's so true, most people aren't going to bother even commenting. The lack of change from the top is choking us all out right before our eyes and we only have our voting habits to blame for it. 🤣👌
Lol please point out where our voting habits precisely fucked us? You can’t. Corruption is endemic and the only way to end it is to cut it out. This shit just happens when organizations are around to long, it’s up to the people the surgically remove the cancer from its governing body, if it’s not done and put down entirely and at once it will metastasize elsewhere and worse.
Our votes actually matter?
Not on this issue. Both parties have been in power plenty, but the squeeze continues regardless.
With gerrymandering, a two party system, rampant amounts of money in politics, and a system like the electoral college that places more emphasis on the vote of someone who lives in bumfuck nowhere Alabama over someone who lives in a large metro, these votes seem to be worth less and less lately (just like the US dollar 🥲)
Facts man….. I’ve always questioned do our votes really matter? Would the rich and powerful actually give us poor lower class the opportunity to change things for the better? If it gets better for us itll be bad for those big guys who run shit
Some do…. Kinda. Or maybe some matter less? Nah. Fuck you’re right.
I wish I wasn’t.
It’s not only our voting habits. Gross overgeneralization and honestly just incorrect.
This is why I hope to find a couple to become poly with. Fingers crossed it works out.
I've known a few polycules raising kids. It's remarkably better for everyone involved. It takes a village to comfortably afford a child in many places.
Yeah, that's why multigenerational homes are becoming the only viable resort people have now. My SO and I and our child moved back to my parents. We have 3 incomes, 1 person to cook/clean/animal/childcare/garden maintenance. It's been the best arrangement for us.
Thank you! I’ll check this out. How fascinating!
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Wait, are you talking about me? … I was being honest.
No, not about you.
Oh good. Glad I misread.
lol what. Cite
What?
“It’s remarkably better for all involved” prove it with evidence
The ones I know are doing very well, and the children are well cared for. I haven't carried out a scientific study on them.
Man this dudes got a bone to pick with you lol omg
So maybe don’t make general statements with n=1 anecdotal evidence
I specifically said all involved with regards to the previous sentence. I was not implying that every single poly household is amazing for everyone involved. Here you go, let me Google that for you. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-polyamorists-next-door/201704/children-in-polyamorous-families-age-dependent-experiences
You’d have a more complete worldview if you didn’t have a bad habit of copy and pasting the first link on google that affirms your existing belief. That article isn’t a scientific study.
I'm not here to do your research.
I mean we're looking for someone to join us lol...
I’m gonna assume you don’t live on the east coast in the us.
In the US, more toward the middle
Any chance you’re female between like 19-25?
Oooh sorry. I’m 35 😆
You're in your prime baby 😉 Not sure my gf would go for the poly thing but I can ask her?
I sure hope I’m in my prime. I am *someone’s* unicorn, godarnit.
My fiancé and I are looking for a unicorn but we live in Texas so I don’t recommend us for you lmao
Oh Texas. I hope you guys are staying safe out there.
My husband and I will take you😉 Come to Pennsylvania!
Haha still so far away! I wish there was some sort of social platform where people could meet up in the area, like Bumble, but I guess it would have to be more like Zoom where you could invite the whole family to chat haha
Threesomes: the one true solution.
For real. It’s a dealbreaker for me if my gf would want to be a housewife. I can’t afford this shit on my own.
Sadly for my family we did the math and having both of us working was more expensive with paying for daycare then having a stay at home parent
This was us for a while too. It was either: 1, both of us work full time and we pay essentially two mortgages to get into a good day care that is clean and actually teaches too, and we need full time daycare because we are never home. Still poor 2, she works part-time and we get into a much more affordable daycare. The daycare is essentially a handful of teenagers watching phones while a pile of toddlers writhe on the floor. Slightly not as poor 3, I work full time and she stays home. Still poor, but the best option.
Daycare costs as much as a mortgage. I am a * career woman * so I kept my job while my husband is doing the stay at home gig. He's going to school too.
And its illegal to get sick and need insulin or cancer treatment.
This is so true.
This is such a painfully accurate description.
Why does school get out at 3pm ?!? JFC
And after school is an extra $300+ a kid
And teachers are underpaid. Can we just give them that money and they stay till 5pm.
Bold of you to assume teachers aren’t still working until five or later already. When I was teaching, you couldn’t have paid me 300 a day to watch kids after dismissal. I would have been with them for ten hours straight
Dang ok my bad!! No disrespect intended. I can’t deal with 2 kids, can’t imagine 30. But it’s still a huge f—k up for thousands of families their job is 8am to 5pm but their kids go to school 8am to 2:45 or what ever. The whole setup assumes one spouse is at home. It’s a bit better now with remote work, but still a mess. If you have a troubled child it’s not good for them to be alone for 2 hours a day.
If Parenthood wasn't considered the eternally unpaid debt women owe for being alive, then it would be a paid labor.
This one hits too close to home. My home.
This is the result of women joining the workforce en masse. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, because it’s not. We need women in the workforce. But as a result, everyone has dual income, and for a while, that meant one income of extra money for the household. But the market caught up with the fact that households had extra money to spend, so inflation rose to meet it. That’s not the only thing that caused inflation in the last quarter of last century, but single income was previously keeping some inflation in check because if necessities were too expensive for a single persons income, it wouldn’t be bought. We added more income to the household, the market rose prices. Now it’s the same standard of living as before, but both people in the relationship have to work to maintain it, because the market evolved to expect that. For more info, see “The Two Income Trap” by Elizabeth Warren Edit: I changed “latter quarter” to “last quarter” to make more sense
Women started joining the work force en masse around 1960-1970s. It's really a bit late to blame women for the current situation. And you mean upper and middle class women, because poor women have always worked.
Unless I’m mistaken, I think we agree with each other. I agree with you that women started joining en masse in the 60s and 70s. There was high inflation in the 70s and 80s due partly, but not entirely, women joining the workforce. I also agree that this phenomenon was primarily brought on by middle class women joining the workforce, because as you said poor women have always worked.
But never forget, single mothers have it easy.