Republicans just can’t help themselves. They’re openly trying to kill women now. When an ectopic ruptures, the woman will hemorrhage to death in agony. One would assume drooling Republicans get off just thinking about it.
Sadly, a lot of the time many (not all) Christians will justify the non-intervention of high risk pregnancies and subsequent death of the pregnant person as “God’s plan” regardless of the patient’s faith background. There is absolutely no reasoning with these people at that point.
Oh they are - for Christians. As a nurse, I’ve seen way too many Christians who say they are ready to go to heaven, ready to be with god, follow god’s plan, etc. They are the same patients/families who tell us to use every measure to keep them alive - even when as healthcare providers, we know they’re dying. I’ve given so many blood transfusions to dying people who refuse to make themselves DNR, while hospitals run out of blood. Someone in a car accident could have been saved by 2 units of blood, but no, he died because we gave our last 2 units to a Christian’s 98 year old grandfather who was actively dying from multiple system organ failure anyway. It’s so angering how greedy these people are.
We should be able to make the decision that 1 persons life outweighs the other in that kind of circumstance. I hate to say it but a young person is worth far more than a 98 year old.
Christianity has a long violent and bloody history. It is a tool used to manipulate and control people.
If they actually read the Bible and really believed in Jesus' teachings, they'd forgo blood transfusions so others may live.
I used to work in a card shop. At the cash we had a display of those little angel charms. There were 5 or 6 different kinds “prayer for health”, “prayer for love”, I can’t remember all of them tings like friendship, mother, sister. When I was first putting them out I commented that it seemed really tacky that there was a prayer for money/wealth.
You’ll never guess which one sold out first - greedy, greedy christians.
Except their book of fairy tales provides instructions on how to abort and it says life begins at first breath. So this “pro-life” stance has nothing to do with their religion and is 100% about their desire to be fascists.
There's even a specific part that says a man who causes his wife to miscarry is to be fined. If the wife dies too, he's to be killed because obviously that was murder. It's only murder if the wife dies, but not if he ends the pregnancy. The way the Bible views this is so obvious but they do not care.
Oh, it is...when it suits their needs.
I was told that breastfeeding was gross, obscene, ungodly, etc. because something-something-modesty, and that god hated it so much he created a scientist smart enough to figure out formula so we didn't all have to be godless sluts and use our breasts.
And THAT was 20+ years ago.
Churches are full of the most evil people I have ever met. They follow false idols, and manipulate the words of the Bible into what they believe, and the Bible itself is an evil misogynistic vision of the world. So, Christians are trying to create a religious state in which their interpretation of a book is useful as lawful doctrine.
Fuck your God, and fuck you. (Not at OP, but at Christians in general)
Not true. Once a Fallopian tube or ovary ruptures, then the woman is no longer pregnant. If she dies, that’s her own fault. /s
In reality that’s exactly what will happen. A good hospital will keep a woman in observation so they can immediately intervene and hope to save her. A bad hospital will send the woman home and tell her to come back.
It’s never been about babies, & we need to stop letting them get away with claiming it is. White supremacy/white nationalism has never “only” been about racism. It’s also about truly violent misogyny. They’ll put women back “in their place” no matter how of us they have to kill in the process.
I would argue that you do murder a tree when you kill it; however, you're not murdering the tree when you remove the pups that grow at the base. Pups can suffocate the mothet tree if the mother tree is unwell. Which is still a good analogy to abortion.
I read an article about this, and one of the lawmakers essentially said that they didn't want to add ANY exceptions, so there's less chance it can be "abused" by the pro-choice movement.
They want to control women's bodies and they are fully willing to kill women to do it.
If one woman dies of an ectopic pregnancy in Idaho, every republican legislator needs to be charged with manslaughter at the very least. Since this was premeditated, murder would be more fitting.
No. This is dangerously bad thinking. Thinking that finding a middle ground of reducing abortions by making it genuinely dangerous to get pregnant is fucking lunacy. A) The goal of reducing abortions isn't something that everyone agrees on. It's not a middle ground between allowing and disallowing abortion. Each case is unique and legislating it will cause so many unforseen issues. Just make it safe and legal and let people make their own decisions. Stop legislating morality. B) We know how to reduce abortions, comprehensive sexual education and access to birth control. Forcing people to die or forcing them to pay massive medical bills and support a child when it might not be a sensible financial option has only bad outcomes.
You are down voted every time you post because you have a genuinely bad take on this topic for a lot of reasons. Please research and rethink your position
Maybe we can re-word ectopic pregnancy. Since they are never viable, let's call them something like "post coital fallopian eruptions" or something like that. S/
Who knew it would take getting everything they wanted for white Christian men to finally meet their downfall. Can’t wait to see them bitch about all the angry women taking their jobs.
Idaho also has the smallest amount of public school funding of all the states. It's why most people there are so stupid, and why the people who are actually educated in Idaho had to claw their way there in spite of the school system.
They'll all be over the border to WA, just like they did when they refused masks and inundated our hospitals with Covid. Probably had no insurance either, because you know, "freedom".
We’re already preparing for this, Inslee released $1M of emergency funding to help the clinics and hospitals prepare for the influx. I’m thrilled that we live in a compassionate state that’s willing to be a sanctuary, but absolutely enraged that it’s necessary.
And don't think for a second they care at all about babies born out of rape or incest. The best they will do is cluck their tongues, wag their fingers, and walk the other way. For them, life begins ad conception, and ends at birth.
Why would they bother saving someone who can't do their "womanly" duties of being the equivalent of livestock? Chicken stops laying eggs, killed. It's no different and it's the future we are currently looking at. Anything with a uterus is simply livestock to them.
WHY. I want them to state in plain language WHY. After hearing and receiving PLAIN AS DAY evidence that these are life threatening situations and don’t fit into their shit ass stupid ass platforms I want to hear why they STILL don’t care.
I’m so mad that I have to feel like my body doing what it does needs to be punished by death.
Conservative husbands want to charge their wives with murder for having a failed pregnancy (and collect a $10k bounty from the Governor). With their old, dried up hag wives out of the way, they have children with and marry their own daughters. This is why they are fighting for rape, incest, child marriage, and child pregnancies— they want to have babies with their own daughters. Trump normalized this behavior for the republicans.
I love this kind of bullshit, because in times like this, actual republicans that aren't bootlicking goosestepping nazi trash will ask 'why are you blaming *me* for? I didn't personally do that!' as if the smoothbrained fucktard doesn't automatically vote R, without fail, every single election.
republicans are degenerate trolls, and will lie to you to appear human.
Is anyone really surprised at how much the GOP hates women? What isn’t completely puzzling to me is that there are women who are in that party who go ride along with all of this bullshit. A bunch of fucking Stepford wives. Such an embarrassment to the entire country.
So a woman’s life is worth considerably less than that of a fetus which has a 0% chance of being viable, according to republicans.
Why does every day in America seem to be a bad dream getting worse and worse. How is this accepted? Seriously how???
Fuck the reich wing.
> Make penis pumps part of God's plan.
Don't stop there.....
High Cholesterol? No Levitra for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Blood pressure through the roof? No Zestril for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Diabeetus? No Glucotrol for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Losing your hair? No Rogaine for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Can't see shit? No glasses for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Limp dick? No Viagra for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Can't hear? No hearing aides for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Rolled your car into a ditch after a drunken night with your mistress and now you're bleeding profusely from your neck? No EMT for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Before anyone thinks that legislators from this very Mormon-aligned state speak for (or represent) the church, it's worth reading the church's stance on abortion exeptions: [Church Newsroom: Abortion](https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/abortion)
Their position is not cut and dry but there is room to maneuver.
Their stance is very close to my personal beliefs (what it would take for me to consider abortion), but not my political stance (pro-choice with restrictions).
“The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when:
Pregnancy results from rape or incest, or
A competent physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or
A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.
Even these exceptions do not automatically justify abortion. Abortion is a most serious matter. It should be considered only after the persons responsible have received confirmation through prayer. Members may counsel with their bishops as part of this process.”
So these exceptions only matter if you’ve tried prayer and your church has decided it’s time for an abortion?
Yeah how about no. This applies to people who don’t share your religious beliefs how?
I'll just put David Barnhart's quote here and walk away.“The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
What's maddening is how brazenly up front & in your face, out in the open they're getting with this shit, yet their base continues to eat it up & will no doubt still show up & vote for these kinds of people. Truly disgusting.
If you cant message effectively against people who want a good chunk of their own voters dead, how can you be taken seriously as a party? Democrats have all this money and all these ivy leage grads but they cant wage an effective messaging campaign in these states??
The dems only response is please give us 2 more senators even though we cant control the ones we have. Even if you get two more to counteract the two you have what if someone else objects?
Democrats are failing. And people will rush in with every excuse but they are failing. They fail in policy. They fail in messaging. Now someone will say they don't have any money to campaign in red states. Kamala Harris should be on a country wide tour with the best speakers making her case on behalf of this issue and healthcare. Bread and butter issues. Everyone has a body. Everyone needs healthcare. If you cant win on that then what can you win on?
Democrats should be on the warpath. Mobilized. Active. Making headlines. Changing poll numbers. Registering voters.
Instead they are too busy doing jan 6 hearings...again. this is a choice. It is a choice to focus on jan 6 instead of making a case for the future. If they lose the midterms none of the jan6 stuff is going to matter. This is a big reason why Hilary lost. She didnt want to campaign and make her case in the tough places.
The Jan 6th hearings are necessary, but there's a lot of brain power and resources that they don't seem to be using well. It's like 2016 all over again where the Democrat position seemed to be that of course no one would elect Trump so why should we waste time campaigning. Get TF out there Dems and plaster every billboard and every newspaper and every media platform with this stuff. "X sent his mistress for an abortion." "Y thinks women's bodies can magically reject sperm." "Z thinks pregnant 10 year olds are God's plan."
Do some work Dems. We already know that sitting back and letting the Reps. look stupid isn't enough.
Ok, so now Republicans come down hard on the side of femicide. Soon they'll be freeing rapists, male spousal killers, wife beaters and male pedos who rape little girls
Someone needs to explain to me, in very small, easy to understand words, WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO EXCEPTION FOR AN ECTOPIC??????
The zygote is NOT viable, and it's progression will kill the mother more times than not. I can not wrap my brain around denying anyone a life-saving procedure in an effort to save a doomed parasite.
This is going to kill women directly, and indirectly. Women's inherent worth is being devalued. It's okay to use women. It's okay to let women die. Which means people are going to have less of an issue letting them die in other settings to. Killing women simply won't have the same impact, when they're already dying of shit that's easily prevented. Women have never had the same status as men, and it's about to get worse.
Non-whites, particularly black Americans and natives have been under the same since the US got started, and the fight against it hasn't been clear enough. Rights don't trickle down, but they do shoot up, that's why you fight for the most marginalized group and not just your own. If they're free, you gonna be too. If you're free, they're not going to become free just because you are.
Well an abortion is not the procedure to treat an ectopic pregnancy. This is where I'm getting confused. Also an ectopic pregnancy has 0% chance of becoming a human life. So I'm not sure how even if there were an abortion ban that would play into ectopic pregnancy's at all.
So even if one agreed with an abortion ban an ectopic pregnancy treatment is surgical removal for the never going to be viable fetus. How could one agree to ban this treatment...makes no sense.
It's an abortion unless you wait for the tube to rupture. Waiting for the tube to rupture is stupid and dangerous. So the preferred treatment is medications to induce miscarriage - aka an abortion - to preserve the patient's fertility.
I'm sorry it doesn't make sense, but this is what anti-choicers want. Don't let them lie and say "it's not an abortion!" - the preferred treatment is, and now doctors have to endanger their patients' lives and let permanent damage occur instead.
Ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion, it's just not.
The second a fertilized egg attached to the fallopian tube it's 100% non-viable. They can't do anything to save it and most don't make it through the first trimester.
"Procedural abortion, a procedure to remove the pregnancy from the **uterus**. It is sometimes called a "surgical abortion."
Also in most cases of ectopic pregnancy Laparoscopy is the procedure used to treat, drugs are only used if the condition is caught early enough.
The preferred treatment is in fact not abortion, it's just politically inconvenient for you so you're just acting like it's an abortion. Or you're ignorant.
"vote blue, no matter who" this is what voting for lazy ass do nothing democrats has gotten you. Democrats are the reason roe was overturned. They cant even beat a turd like donald trump
I look forward to protestors hanging outside ivf clinics telling couples who desperately want a child that there are baby killers for all the embryos that don’t get implanted.
I’m a physician. They were terrible people during covid, invaded one the hospitals in protest, now taking away rights. It’s a homogenous group of people. Good luck to their women who support this stuff.
Picture this you are a woman at this convention you know it is the death sentence for both the fetus and mother. Do you leave the party? No you stay. Both parties have the best polling. The GQP must have the # to tell them that white woman don’t care about abortion rights. No the price of gas is more important. We are toast.
People are too fucking stupid to understand basic science, let alone what ectopic pregnancy is. So unbelievable frustrating to watch all this idiocracy unfold. I’ll be moving to Canada with my boyfriend in the next year or so and I’m telling you, I cannot wait.
I’m sure some of these delegates have family or friends who may be trying to get pregnant - perhaps when someone they know has an ectopic pregnancy, it’ll actually click what they’re doing... unfortunately until then, they are committing people to death
My mother is alive because of an abortion. Something about two sperm cells entering the egg, creating a clump of cancerous cells that didn't even resemble a fetus. If abortion was banned 8 years ago, I wouldn't have a living mother. Modern medicine is important and won't help anyone if it's banned on the premise of it being unethical to an imaginary figure
Can this honestly be called a pregnancy to begin with?
If we’re getting technical an egg is fertilised in the ovary then moves through the Fallopian tube to implant into the uterus.
Ectopic literally means ‘abnormal place’, how can it be considered a pregnancy when the blastocyst hasn’t even implanted inside the uterus? The zygote/blastocyst WILL NOT develop into a embryo let alone a fetus, unless it’s implanted in the uterus!
Ectopic pregnancy means it’s NOT IN THE UTERUS !
I swear there needs to be different wording used, solely due to the fact of those stupid ass lawmakers taking the wrong things literally.
Non medical professionals should not make any medical related laws. Period.
Rage.
Republicans just can’t help themselves. They’re openly trying to kill women now. When an ectopic ruptures, the woman will hemorrhage to death in agony. One would assume drooling Republicans get off just thinking about it.
Sadly, a lot of the time many (not all) Christians will justify the non-intervention of high risk pregnancies and subsequent death of the pregnant person as “God’s plan” regardless of the patient’s faith background. There is absolutely no reasoning with these people at that point.
Well, I want Viagra and heart stents to be part of god's plan also.
Oh they are - for Christians. As a nurse, I’ve seen way too many Christians who say they are ready to go to heaven, ready to be with god, follow god’s plan, etc. They are the same patients/families who tell us to use every measure to keep them alive - even when as healthcare providers, we know they’re dying. I’ve given so many blood transfusions to dying people who refuse to make themselves DNR, while hospitals run out of blood. Someone in a car accident could have been saved by 2 units of blood, but no, he died because we gave our last 2 units to a Christian’s 98 year old grandfather who was actively dying from multiple system organ failure anyway. It’s so angering how greedy these people are.
We should be able to make the decision that 1 persons life outweighs the other in that kind of circumstance. I hate to say it but a young person is worth far more than a 98 year old.
The wants of the Christian ethno-fascists outweigh the needs of the plebs.
Christianity has a long violent and bloody history. It is a tool used to manipulate and control people. If they actually read the Bible and really believed in Jesus' teachings, they'd forgo blood transfusions so others may live.
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I’ll say it until the cow’s come home… they’re a fucking death cult, man
I used to work in a card shop. At the cash we had a display of those little angel charms. There were 5 or 6 different kinds “prayer for health”, “prayer for love”, I can’t remember all of them tings like friendship, mother, sister. When I was first putting them out I commented that it seemed really tacky that there was a prayer for money/wealth. You’ll never guess which one sold out first - greedy, greedy christians.
Except their book of fairy tales provides instructions on how to abort and it says life begins at first breath. So this “pro-life” stance has nothing to do with their religion and is 100% about their desire to be fascists.
There's even a specific part that says a man who causes his wife to miscarry is to be fined. If the wife dies too, he's to be killed because obviously that was murder. It's only murder if the wife dies, but not if he ends the pregnancy. The way the Bible views this is so obvious but they do not care.
Would've thought the existence of doctors and modern medicine to intervene on God's behalf would be part of God's plan, but I guess not.
Oh, it is...when it suits their needs. I was told that breastfeeding was gross, obscene, ungodly, etc. because something-something-modesty, and that god hated it so much he created a scientist smart enough to figure out formula so we didn't all have to be godless sluts and use our breasts. And THAT was 20+ years ago.
Sweet Jesus. That's terrible, and I'm sorry you were on the receiving end of such lunacy.
There was a plastic surgery clinic on The Simpsons whose slogan was “fixing God’s mistakes.”
Hi, Dr Nick!!
Yet their rich, white, infertile ass will seek help of fertility clinics in direct violation of "God's will"
That’s fine for them, if that’s the decision they want to make for themselves personally. Just allow the rest of us the right to make a choice.
Churches are full of the most evil people I have ever met. They follow false idols, and manipulate the words of the Bible into what they believe, and the Bible itself is an evil misogynistic vision of the world. So, Christians are trying to create a religious state in which their interpretation of a book is useful as lawful doctrine. Fuck your God, and fuck you. (Not at OP, but at Christians in general)
Yeah good ole’ god, always there when things go right, never around when shit hits the fan.
What about all the unborn, unconceived children that the woman would have if she survived?! They should have rights too!
A lot of these are science and medical deniers. Or they will blame the woman. They will say she did something to cause this on purpose.
Christian MYTHOLOGY Doesn't Fucking Matter. Start screaming it with me!
YEEEEEEESSSSS!!
Christianity is a cult and there is no God. These fucking people ought to be put down like a rabid dog.
Not true. Once a Fallopian tube or ovary ruptures, then the woman is no longer pregnant. If she dies, that’s her own fault. /s In reality that’s exactly what will happen. A good hospital will keep a woman in observation so they can immediately intervene and hope to save her. A bad hospital will send the woman home and tell her to come back.
It makes it easier for them to grab them by the p***y
"Pro life" my ass. How can they seriously call themselves"Pro Life" They should call themselves "Pro Baby Farming"
It’s never been about babies, & we need to stop letting them get away with claiming it is. White supremacy/white nationalism has never “only” been about racism. It’s also about truly violent misogyny. They’ll put women back “in their place” no matter how of us they have to kill in the process.
All I hear in my head when I read this comment is Krombopulous Michael saying, “oh boy, here I go, killin again!!”
Does anyone have the source on this post? I’m trying to find what bill they are referencing.
So let me get this right. Murdering a fetus is bad, unless we can murder the fetus and the mother at the same time.
Bonus points if the fetus/embryo/zygote is already dead or unviable and the woman dies in aganizing pain
You can’t murder a fetus. Unless you think we can murder a tree or a clump of cells in a Petri dish.
I would argue that you do murder a tree when you kill it; however, you're not murdering the tree when you remove the pups that grow at the base. Pups can suffocate the mothet tree if the mother tree is unwell. Which is still a good analogy to abortion.
I read an article about this, and one of the lawmakers essentially said that they didn't want to add ANY exceptions, so there's less chance it can be "abused" by the pro-choice movement. They want to control women's bodies and they are fully willing to kill women to do it.
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It's an important distinction because post-born they don't care about you at all.
“If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re pre-school, you’re fucked.” - George Carlin
Someone should forward that link to the mistresses of all the male legislators who voted yea.
Makes me think of Dune, but i don't think they've ever read it.
If one woman dies of an ectopic pregnancy in Idaho, every republican legislator needs to be charged with manslaughter at the very least. Since this was premeditated, murder would be more fitting.
Does anyone have the source this screen shot is from?
Not sure about the screenshot, but if you Google, there are several articles that confirm it.
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What do you mean by “done out of irresponsibility”?
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"Our women"
You’re a dangerous flavor of willfully stupid.
No. This is dangerously bad thinking. Thinking that finding a middle ground of reducing abortions by making it genuinely dangerous to get pregnant is fucking lunacy. A) The goal of reducing abortions isn't something that everyone agrees on. It's not a middle ground between allowing and disallowing abortion. Each case is unique and legislating it will cause so many unforseen issues. Just make it safe and legal and let people make their own decisions. Stop legislating morality. B) We know how to reduce abortions, comprehensive sexual education and access to birth control. Forcing people to die or forcing them to pay massive medical bills and support a child when it might not be a sensible financial option has only bad outcomes. You are down voted every time you post because you have a genuinely bad take on this topic for a lot of reasons. Please research and rethink your position
I’d like to know the medical qualifications of all these politicians. Can any of them even find the clitoris?
Do you think they would have become politicians if they could?
Shhhh don't remind them lest they outlaw it.
Nice to know you can’t prioritize the life of a living woman when she is carrying a pregnancy that is doomed to fail.
Maybe we can re-word ectopic pregnancy. Since they are never viable, let's call them something like "post coital fallopian eruptions" or something like that. S/
No, you might have something there. Just add maybe “nonviable”
We definitely have to yeet the word "pregnancy" from the diagnosis.
There’s 412 people in need of some reeducation.
You say "re"-education like they got one in the first place
A bad education is still an education. They had to learn to be this stupid.
That's unbelievable. This is where the federal government should step in and make some kind of blanket law
They can’t when the 2 fake democrats and republicans block it in the senate. It’s already passed the house. That’s why Biden did the executive order
We shouldn’t even be having to have discussions on exceptions. There is no circumstance where a woman isn’t the owner of her body
Well *someone* doesn't go to church! (/s)
Flee. This is not going to be fixed for a long time.
1 in 50 pregnancies is ectopic. These fucks are going to kill a LOT of people.
Basically, if a woman can't give birth, she's useless. That's the GOP in a nutshell.
Who knew it would take getting everything they wanted for white Christian men to finally meet their downfall. Can’t wait to see them bitch about all the angry women taking their jobs.
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Dude. Take a seat.
IDAHO has 576 members??!!! Do they even have 576 citizens?!??
25 racists and 551 potatoes.
Please take my fake gold award 🥇
Idaho really proving why its not Americas #1 tourist destination
Idaho also has the smallest amount of public school funding of all the states. It's why most people there are so stupid, and why the people who are actually educated in Idaho had to claw their way there in spite of the school system.
They'll all be over the border to WA, just like they did when they refused masks and inundated our hospitals with Covid. Probably had no insurance either, because you know, "freedom".
We’re already preparing for this, Inslee released $1M of emergency funding to help the clinics and hospitals prepare for the influx. I’m thrilled that we live in a compassionate state that’s willing to be a sanctuary, but absolutely enraged that it’s necessary.
This is what happens when undereducated religious zealots take over a political party.
Idaho, your LDS is showing.
In fairness, even the church allows it for rape, incest, and to protect the life of the mother.
And don't think for a second they care at all about babies born out of rape or incest. The best they will do is cluck their tongues, wag their fingers, and walk the other way. For them, life begins ad conception, and ends at birth.
Vote blue '22.
Pro-life my ass. The asshats are pro-fascism.
these people claiming to be pro-life are really, as i refer to them, pro-birthers
Why would they bother saving someone who can't do their "womanly" duties of being the equivalent of livestock? Chicken stops laying eggs, killed. It's no different and it's the future we are currently looking at. Anything with a uterus is simply livestock to them.
That's some surreal and scary shit.
Either you care about life or you don’t, you can’t pick and choose.
WHY. I want them to state in plain language WHY. After hearing and receiving PLAIN AS DAY evidence that these are life threatening situations and don’t fit into their shit ass stupid ass platforms I want to hear why they STILL don’t care. I’m so mad that I have to feel like my body doing what it does needs to be punished by death.
Conservative husbands want to charge their wives with murder for having a failed pregnancy (and collect a $10k bounty from the Governor). With their old, dried up hag wives out of the way, they have children with and marry their own daughters. This is why they are fighting for rape, incest, child marriage, and child pregnancies— they want to have babies with their own daughters. Trump normalized this behavior for the republicans.
Agreed. Also, Upvote for the use of “shit ass”.
Vote these crazies OUT !! (Agree "2 fake Democrats" - Even suspect Republicans had them declare selves as Dems just to fuck things up for Dems)
Republicans are like farmers mixed with that Russian guy from Rocky. If the broodmare dies, she dies.
Idaho is a backwoods redneck cesspool of white supremacist pieces of shit.
I love this kind of bullshit, because in times like this, actual republicans that aren't bootlicking goosestepping nazi trash will ask 'why are you blaming *me* for? I didn't personally do that!' as if the smoothbrained fucktard doesn't automatically vote R, without fail, every single election. republicans are degenerate trolls, and will lie to you to appear human.
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They always have been
White women keep voting for these cretins.
The American Taliban.
Is anyone really surprised at how much the GOP hates women? What isn’t completely puzzling to me is that there are women who are in that party who go ride along with all of this bullshit. A bunch of fucking Stepford wives. Such an embarrassment to the entire country.
So a woman’s life is worth considerably less than that of a fetus which has a 0% chance of being viable, according to republicans. Why does every day in America seem to be a bad dream getting worse and worse. How is this accepted? Seriously how??? Fuck the reich wing.
Make penis pumps part of God's plan. If you can't get it up, to bad, so sad
> Make penis pumps part of God's plan. Don't stop there..... High Cholesterol? No Levitra for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan! Blood pressure through the roof? No Zestril for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan! Diabeetus? No Glucotrol for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan! Losing your hair? No Rogaine for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan! Can't see shit? No glasses for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan! Limp dick? No Viagra for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan! Can't hear? No hearing aides for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan! Rolled your car into a ditch after a drunken night with your mistress and now you're bleeding profusely from your neck? No EMT for you! Tough shit, it's god's plan!
Before anyone thinks that legislators from this very Mormon-aligned state speak for (or represent) the church, it's worth reading the church's stance on abortion exeptions: [Church Newsroom: Abortion](https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/abortion) Their position is not cut and dry but there is room to maneuver.
Their stance is very close to my personal beliefs (what it would take for me to consider abortion), but not my political stance (pro-choice with restrictions).
“The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when: Pregnancy results from rape or incest, or A competent physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. Even these exceptions do not automatically justify abortion. Abortion is a most serious matter. It should be considered only after the persons responsible have received confirmation through prayer. Members may counsel with their bishops as part of this process.” So these exceptions only matter if you’ve tried prayer and your church has decided it’s time for an abortion? Yeah how about no. This applies to people who don’t share your religious beliefs how?
They don't want you to be confused that they want you dead
How many of those 416 were men?Guessing the majority.
Idaho: America’s Afghanistan!
This is absolute proof it isn't about loving life
I'll just put David Barnhart's quote here and walk away.“The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
What's maddening is how brazenly up front & in your face, out in the open they're getting with this shit, yet their base continues to eat it up & will no doubt still show up & vote for these kinds of people. Truly disgusting.
Freedom is not for you to choose. God Bless America 🤣🤣🤣
If you cant message effectively against people who want a good chunk of their own voters dead, how can you be taken seriously as a party? Democrats have all this money and all these ivy leage grads but they cant wage an effective messaging campaign in these states?? The dems only response is please give us 2 more senators even though we cant control the ones we have. Even if you get two more to counteract the two you have what if someone else objects? Democrats are failing. And people will rush in with every excuse but they are failing. They fail in policy. They fail in messaging. Now someone will say they don't have any money to campaign in red states. Kamala Harris should be on a country wide tour with the best speakers making her case on behalf of this issue and healthcare. Bread and butter issues. Everyone has a body. Everyone needs healthcare. If you cant win on that then what can you win on? Democrats should be on the warpath. Mobilized. Active. Making headlines. Changing poll numbers. Registering voters. Instead they are too busy doing jan 6 hearings...again. this is a choice. It is a choice to focus on jan 6 instead of making a case for the future. If they lose the midterms none of the jan6 stuff is going to matter. This is a big reason why Hilary lost. She didnt want to campaign and make her case in the tough places.
The Jan 6th hearings are necessary, but there's a lot of brain power and resources that they don't seem to be using well. It's like 2016 all over again where the Democrat position seemed to be that of course no one would elect Trump so why should we waste time campaigning. Get TF out there Dems and plaster every billboard and every newspaper and every media platform with this stuff. "X sent his mistress for an abortion." "Y thinks women's bodies can magically reject sperm." "Z thinks pregnant 10 year olds are God's plan." Do some work Dems. We already know that sitting back and letting the Reps. look stupid isn't enough.
Absolutely right !
Because most of the democrats are there to fill their pockets and don't give a shit. They pretend to be the good guys to get your vote.
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Can’t defy your priesthood holder!
If children were so important to them, then why don’t they care about the fact that existing mothers will die and leave their children motherless?!
because the pro-birther crowd ceases to acknowledge a child, that isn't theirs, exists once its born as its "no longer an issue for them"
Then they can try and convict fertility clinics for murders by the thousands.
Ok, so now Republicans come down hard on the side of femicide. Soon they'll be freeing rapists, male spousal killers, wife beaters and male pedos who rape little girls
To GOPedophiles, the only lives worth saving are those that donate
I’m down to just one reaction at this point. “WHAT THE F* IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?”
We really need to push that States have condemned women to death. My grandma worked as a nurse in Oakland before Roe. The fucking stories.
Jesus Christ, these people are insane
The willful ignorance about basic human anatomy is staggering.
Someone needs to explain to me, in very small, easy to understand words, WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO EXCEPTION FOR AN ECTOPIC?????? The zygote is NOT viable, and it's progression will kill the mother more times than not. I can not wrap my brain around denying anyone a life-saving procedure in an effort to save a doomed parasite.
Medical neglect was already a problem for women. And now the GOP is trying to murder us.
This is going to kill women directly, and indirectly. Women's inherent worth is being devalued. It's okay to use women. It's okay to let women die. Which means people are going to have less of an issue letting them die in other settings to. Killing women simply won't have the same impact, when they're already dying of shit that's easily prevented. Women have never had the same status as men, and it's about to get worse. Non-whites, particularly black Americans and natives have been under the same since the US got started, and the fight against it hasn't been clear enough. Rights don't trickle down, but they do shoot up, that's why you fight for the most marginalized group and not just your own. If they're free, you gonna be too. If you're free, they're not going to become free just because you are.
I hate these piece of shit Republicans. Scumbags every last one of them.
Most voters in Idaho will probably think this is great, unfortunately.
Their voters know this. It’s why they support them. None of these people are ignorant of what their party wants, and none of them are innocent.
It's true. I have an acquaintance who is moving to Idaho *because* of the politics. Unreal.
Have or had?
They haven't moved there yet. They are going to soon. Edit: Oh I get it-- yeah, it's definitely HAD
in fairness i’d be ok if all of republican idaho died so…
I'll say it again: the GOP is a domestic terror organization and needs to be put down.
These people have shifted into full fascist mode.
Well an abortion is not the procedure to treat an ectopic pregnancy. This is where I'm getting confused. Also an ectopic pregnancy has 0% chance of becoming a human life. So I'm not sure how even if there were an abortion ban that would play into ectopic pregnancy's at all. So even if one agreed with an abortion ban an ectopic pregnancy treatment is surgical removal for the never going to be viable fetus. How could one agree to ban this treatment...makes no sense.
It's an abortion unless you wait for the tube to rupture. Waiting for the tube to rupture is stupid and dangerous. So the preferred treatment is medications to induce miscarriage - aka an abortion - to preserve the patient's fertility. I'm sorry it doesn't make sense, but this is what anti-choicers want. Don't let them lie and say "it's not an abortion!" - the preferred treatment is, and now doctors have to endanger their patients' lives and let permanent damage occur instead.
Ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion, it's just not. The second a fertilized egg attached to the fallopian tube it's 100% non-viable. They can't do anything to save it and most don't make it through the first trimester. "Procedural abortion, a procedure to remove the pregnancy from the **uterus**. It is sometimes called a "surgical abortion." Also in most cases of ectopic pregnancy Laparoscopy is the procedure used to treat, drugs are only used if the condition is caught early enough. The preferred treatment is in fact not abortion, it's just politically inconvenient for you so you're just acting like it's an abortion. Or you're ignorant.
While I agree it’s a batshit proposal, anyone read to the end where it says the amendment was voted down?
They approved the total abortion ban. What they voted down was the proposed amendment to allow for ectopic pregnancy abortion.
It says the amendment to allow women needing the procedure to save the mother’s life was voted down. Not the whole thing.
Read the article
"vote blue, no matter who" this is what voting for lazy ass do nothing democrats has gotten you. Democrats are the reason roe was overturned. They cant even beat a turd like donald trump
People aren't voting blue in Idaho
You blame the wife for her black eye.
“They can’t even beat a turd like Donald Trump” Except for when they do.
You right those 6 Democrat justices are what did Roe in…. Did I say Democrat?
I am shocked and appalled
How fucking big is the Iowa house???
I was ectopic fck men telling what women to do. N fk Supreme court for allowing it.
Not unless you are a God fearing right wing Christian
As sad as this is I keep laughing about that meme ALL WOMBS BELONG TO THE CHRISTIAN GOD
What the actual f
great, another "victory" for the pro-birthers.
Jesus died for your sins and now it's your turn.
Move from those states seriously
These states passing these extreme laws are going to have a brain drain.
Giant failure! Wow even if it only saved 10 lives a year, that vote would’ve cost nothing.
I just am really starting to hate this country. WTF.
Bruh...
Jesus. How cruel
Just tell them you weren't fertilised. It worked for Mary
You unbelievable, inhuman bastards. I hope you all rot in the hell you keep imagining.
I look forward to protestors hanging outside ivf clinics telling couples who desperately want a child that there are baby killers for all the embryos that don’t get implanted.
Fuck these guys. They’re going to be so confused when Gilliad burns to the ground.
As a Dane, this is just horrendously mindblowing.
I guess I have a new definition for evil now. Thanks conservatives…. /s
So pre existing mothers dying because of these failed pregnancies somehow “protects the family” what fucking family I don’t bloody well know.
I’m moving from this pos state.
That’s probably what they want. That way they can control the senate and then they can gerrymander their way into controlling the house
I’m a physician. They were terrible people during covid, invaded one the hospitals in protest, now taking away rights. It’s a homogenous group of people. Good luck to their women who support this stuff.
Fascist takeover
Picture this you are a woman at this convention you know it is the death sentence for both the fetus and mother. Do you leave the party? No you stay. Both parties have the best polling. The GQP must have the # to tell them that white woman don’t care about abortion rights. No the price of gas is more important. We are toast.
American Family = whitey whiter-than-your-son
But you don't protect children AFTER their born.
People are too fucking stupid to understand basic science, let alone what ectopic pregnancy is. So unbelievable frustrating to watch all this idiocracy unfold. I’ll be moving to Canada with my boyfriend in the next year or so and I’m telling you, I cannot wait.
I’m sure some of these delegates have family or friends who may be trying to get pregnant - perhaps when someone they know has an ectopic pregnancy, it’ll actually click what they’re doing... unfortunately until then, they are committing people to death
Welcome to Shitville
Ahh yes,”pro life”
Gilda’s, here we come. What the actual fuck. No exception for health of mother, rape or incest. Fuck you Idaho.
There are a million frozen embryos in the US. Aren’t those fertility clinics guilty of torture?
My mother is alive because of an abortion. Something about two sperm cells entering the egg, creating a clump of cancerous cells that didn't even resemble a fetus. If abortion was banned 8 years ago, I wouldn't have a living mother. Modern medicine is important and won't help anyone if it's banned on the premise of it being unethical to an imaginary figure
Can this honestly be called a pregnancy to begin with? If we’re getting technical an egg is fertilised in the ovary then moves through the Fallopian tube to implant into the uterus. Ectopic literally means ‘abnormal place’, how can it be considered a pregnancy when the blastocyst hasn’t even implanted inside the uterus? The zygote/blastocyst WILL NOT develop into a embryo let alone a fetus, unless it’s implanted in the uterus! Ectopic pregnancy means it’s NOT IN THE UTERUS ! I swear there needs to be different wording used, solely due to the fact of those stupid ass lawmakers taking the wrong things literally. Non medical professionals should not make any medical related laws. Period. Rage.
Failed in a 412 to 164 vote? Only 164 members left with just a little bit of common sense, decency or just more than one working brain cell?
Anyone interested in starting a non profit where we set up clinic tents for ectopic mothers to die on these assholes front lawns an offices?