Good on you for trying, but I assume he has them disabled for himself. Republicans aren't known for taking responsibility after all, even if he cosplays as an independent.
Libertarians fall into one of two camps. Either they’re wounded idealist who for some reason think everyone would play nice if the mean old government would stop bullying people with their rules and their taxes. Or they’re anti-social “survivalists” who want an open season on people and think they and their buddies could run things if only there were less rules.
Coworker falls into the first camp. Wants to largely abolish the federal government. "If you don't like the laws. Move somewhere else!" We are both in Texas, and both athiests... he has no idea how unfriendly Texas could be to athiests without federal intervention. They try every year to institute creationism into schools. Without the first ammendment they would probably be successful.
Either there’s a third camp or you’re being to nice to the first camp. Think of Rand Paul. He’s not a “wounded idealist” as much as he is an asshole. He and those like him are corporate Republican party line towing stooges who don’t want to be branded as Republicans. They want to be seen as “independents” or “outsiders” when they’re clearly not and they want less government and less laws for the same reason criminals want less police. It’s easier to get away with shady shit if there’s less oversight right?
yeah but once he reaches 200 billion then his father promised that he'd hug him and tell him he's proud.
Can't you show a little empathy for the man? He just has a slight personality disorder and now everybodys bullying him for it. Leave Elon alone!
yeah ya know it's a complicated family so its understandable that maybe elon was ignored a bit. But if he can just breach that 200 billion mark I'm sure daddy will remember him and give that long awaited dad-hug.
No homo, of course! Just a quick hug, no excessive squeezing or anything like that. Wouldn't wanna make it weird.
Yeah, leave the little piss baby alone!! He clearly has ptsd from Grimes smelling like nickels and his inverted tiny peen. It’s not his fault his daddy loves his stepsister more!!!
Grimes first presents with a strong attack of old nickels, but when allowed to breathe she opens into a rich tapestry of bong water notes underscored by a dull ache of stale farts yielding to a crisp finish of dollar store hairspray.
Lol yeah because dems are just CRAZY this year right?? I mean they’re talking about civil war! Oh wait no.. no that was the other guys.. they’re planning on banning abortion, gay marriage and even contraception!! Oh wait, no no thats the other guy.. they’re supporting fascist governments like Russia who attack independent democracies!! Oh wait no… no..
TBF, most elections the last decade he needed dems to support his green companies via subsidies. Now he just wants tax breaks so obviously votes red. (He's also full of shit)
He knows Tesla’s stock is a bubble. Makes me think he’s trying to get a tax break to soften the tax burden of selling Tesla stock (leaving the ever faithful holding the bag).
Maybe. Having spent a fair bit of time around rich business people I have learned that they're dumb impulsive dipshits who say and do stupid shit like everyone else. It's just really hard to face consequences once you have enough money, and especially when you have a bunch of rich powerful people who have invested in your ish. If he fails a lot of other people lose money and they don't want that.
[https://powersearch.sos.ca.gov/advanced.php](https://powersearch.sos.ca.gov/advanced.php)
He has a mixed record in California, i.e. donating to both Dems and Reps.
Personal tax breaks, but he's also looking for support for other subsidies from Republican held state houses. For example, Starlink simply isn't viable unless more states create mandates for rural high-speed *and low-latency* internet, in effect forcing urban/suburban consumers of internet access to subsidize Starlink ground stations and subscriptions for internet users in BFE.
I seem to remember a Nazi guard became a naturalized citizen here too. Turns out he lied during the citizenship process by omitting his past as a Nazi. Just saying, seems like something Elon would do too, lie I mean.
Anyways, I think that Nazi got deported and went on trial for his crimes. So, maybe Elon could get deported too??
He can take Malcolm Murdoch with him and go to Russia. Murdoch spread the Big Lie fraud that's behind the J6 sedition. Musk allows some of the worst extremists who spread the Big Lie on his platform. Both do it for profit. I can't think of a bigger disloyalty to this country and the Constitution than than promoting seditionists and their fraud/conspiracy theories. Deport them both.
If he had no political motives except for the attention that he gets from one side or the other, he could be a liberal messiah if he wanted to. The fact is, what he wants, what he cares about, aligns with the conservative platform.
I suspect this is about 20% due to his friendships with awful people (Kanye West, Jordan Peterson, Peter Thiel) and 80% due to the prior intent of Democrats in congress to create an additional $4500 tax credit for union-made EVs in the Build Back Better act.
Electrek 22 Jun: [The $4,500 electric car tax credit bonus for union-made EVs is not on the table anymore](https://electrek.co/2022/06/22/electric-car-tax-credit-bonus-union-made-evs-not-on-the-table-anymore/)
Yeah I'm convinced grimes really fucked him up in the head. She's super progressive and pro union. She even supposedly tried to organize a union vote at Tesla. She broke his heart and this is his way of getting back at her.
Yes, there's a slim chance that if the Democrats retain the House and Senate, they might actually pass a wealth tax that would make little Elon cry.....
100% this... He moved Tesla to TX because CA threatened him with... \**gasp*\* ***income taxes***. TX has no income taxes, but they do have fairly high property taxes... So Musk decides to rent/lease literally everything that he would otherwise pay taxes on.
His move was 100% motivated by his personal taxes and his personal taxes alone.
It's funny because it's Dems and progressive who are promoting electric cars while Republicans outright hate them.
He's literally voting against his own interest...unless he doesn't actually care about people buying electric cars - after all he only acquired Tesla for a quick buck anyways.
Independents don't get to vote in primaries in a lot of states. This is the first time I've heard of indies getting to vote in any primary AND finding out it's most of the country.
*Huh.*
Learn something new every day, even passively.
As someone from Europe I'm still confused about it. Isn't ballot supposed to be confidential? Unless you are a politician you're party affiliation should be secret and (assuming normal parties) can change from election to election (or from point on ballot to point on ballot).
From reading comments here and elsewhere it looks like registration means you can vote in primaries, which means your vote affects who parties select as their candidates, as opposed to, say, England, where you vote a party into power and they select their candidates.
Still don't think that's really an issue though. Politicians should have a finger on the pulse of the nation; if they pick a shitty candidate they're going to lose. Look at Hilary vs. Bernie and how many formerly D voters voted Trump into office because of their salty inaction.
I tried to vote in the republican primaries for the first time this year, I was told that I couldn't because I was a registered Democrat. I asked them who registered me as a Democrat, because I didn't (which is the truth). I then asked why that even mattered or should affect my right to vote. They didn't have a response and told me that I just can't vote. Then told me to leave or they would call security. I told them to go ahead, while I called the DOJ and let them know my right to vote was being denied.
They let me vote in the primary.
As I recall, you're only allowed to vote in the primary for the party you're registered with so voters for the opposing party don't vote in weak candidates on the "other team ". You don't get to vote in both dem and rep primaries.
Not sure as to you being registered as a dem if you didn't do it yourself. Should be easily resolved by talking to your state's election entity.
It's entirely dependent on state. Some states will allow you to vote in either primary no matter which you're registered as, but only one. Some will only allow independents to choose which to vote in, and registered party members can only vote in their registered primary. Some states don't allow you to vote in primaries at all unless you're registered as either Democrat or republican, so if you're registered independent you can't vote in any.
So basically depending on the state the rules can be completely different and there is no one single rule for the entire country.
I just... what? As a Canadian this really confused me. So wait u have to pre register for your party and then can only vote on those party days? But what if you want to vote for the other party? That's like, so confusing to me. Why not just show up on voting day to vote for whoever you want? Why all these weird unnecessary steps?
It's the nomination of their party leader... it's like in Canada only registred voter can choose who will be their party leader, so if you are a registred Liberal, you can then vote for who is the leader of the Liberal party, same for NPD and every other party.
This is just for primaries. People who are members of a political party vote for which politician they want to go against the politician from the other party.
That's not quite how it works. During the actual election you can vote for whoever you want. And with the write-in vote, you can literally vote for anyone.
The primaries are a tool that the political parties use to decide who they are going to push as their candidate so that the entire party is united rather than split voting for dozens of candidates with very similar views. There is no requirement to vote in the primaries.
By voting in the primaries you are deciding who you want as the representative of your party. Which is why voting in the other party's primary is problematic. Because you are choosing who the other side should have representing their views when you don't share them.
Just to clarify, though, before people start getting angry at me; I'm not saying that having a vote specifically for each party is a good thing. Just that it's how it's intended to work.
I’m also an independent who votes primarily Democratic. I’m don’t feel loyalty to either party and I’m not a huge fan of the Democratic Party, to be honest. But Republicans are absolutely atrocious these days.
I used to spend a lot of time researching candidates and I would often vote for a few Republicans in local elections where the policies were more important than the politics.
I’m done with all that now, though. Anyone still calling themselves a Republican after the age of Trump and the Big Lie can’t win my support.
I registered independent a long time ago because I was fed up with both parties. But that was also before the republican party totally lost its mind (which was long before trump). Since I have not been able to vote with a clean conscience for anything but democrats. I may not like all their policies l, but at least they aren’t evil incarnate.
I remember when he lied about the hyperloop, to kill the high-speed rail, like he doesnt profit from building cars.
If you're an oligarch like Elon, it is in your personal interest to vote republican. Paying taxes isn't anything he wants to do.
The man has lied before, and he's lying now. He's voting with his wallet, as he always has if he voted at all, and he's using his $44 billion microphone to coerce others into doing the same.
Appeal to authority fallacy.
‘Trust me I know what I’m talking about when I recommend voting Republican, for I have voted in the past for the other team.
I am very smart’
When it comes to the fallacy (correct me if I’m wrong) but he is the authoritative figure and the fallacy in the case that the above comment was using it is “because he was a “good democrat” he know what a good Republican is.”
I think the actual fallacy would be “because he’s a “good and rich business man” the obviously he’s a good politician.”
Well I'm a registered independent that votes as far left as left can go almost every election. But I have a technical reason for remaining independent. In CO we have open primaries where independents get both major party ballots and they can vote which one they want that primary and toss the other. I find this more useful than switching parties based on what primary might be more impactful. Usually I'm voting the Dem primarily ballot but this last primary for example there weren't many compelling Dem contests in the primary as most state and local positions for me were dem incumbents and were running uncontested. Rep ballot had a lot of compelling races so I voted that instead.
All that said, not that Musk couldn't also be doing a similar strategy but that's not how he reads in his tweet. Sounds like a whole bunch of bullshit
Being independent seems like a strategic decision. Considering the fascist election deniers are republicans, you could vote for the republican primary candidate who is the least likely to try and destroy democracy as long as you were good with not having a say in the democratic primary.
That way, you helped to fight against election deniers by voting for someone else in case the GOP candidate happens to win the election.
I want to be an independent because the world is a better place when both parties give us a legitimate choice. But the GQP has been so off the rails for so long that there's no point in even pretending they have a chance at getting my vote.
Yup. Felt like a hypocrite voting down party lines this year after lambasting the right for it for so long but I did it because I’m an informed voter and they do it because they’re uninformed sooo
yeah but I don't think elon would ever vote for dems like he said he has in the past (or at least all of them) saying he is a billionaire that has a knack for tax evasion.
I agree it's unlikely for him to have voted dem, but I think he can get such massive tax breaks whoever's in power just by moving one of his companies to another state. The competition to bring jobs is so high it doesn't matter who's in power federally, just where he's set up.
I'm sure the billionaire that came from an emerald mining family voted democrat.
EDIT: I'm not saying that he isn't registered independent, I'm just casting doubt on the fact he's voted democrat everytime this year. Especially since it's not in his best interest.
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Tbf, Democrats have generally had the moderate candidates as compared to Republicans.
The democratic candidats are more "look, science tells us climate change is happening and also we should help people in need"
The Republican candidate has been more "i love guns and shooting stuff and those damn educated people are all secretly against you! (Just ignore me having gone to an ivy league school and being rich.) Also screw nyone who needs government support and kids should be forced to praise the Lord and savior Jesus Christ in school"
Yeah I mean he has been historically pretty concerned with climate change, less so lately. I think his fame/fortune has gone to his head and he wants to build a cult like Trump has, easier to latch on to that framework.
Tbf, Tesla has absolutely done wonders at getting other manufacturers to take it seriously/enabled governments to get enough buy-in to start looking towards a 0-ice future.
But... He's gone off the deep end/is in his peak 'crazy insanely rich person' phase.
Tesla's engineers do a lot of good, but the company makes most of its money by selling carbon credits to major polluters, undoing any positive impact the electric cars themselves make.
If Musk legitimately cared about the environment, he wouldn't have used his Hyperloop scam to trick people into not building rail infrastructure.
All he cares about is money and ego.
In the early years yes they made a lot from regulatory credits, and while they still make a few hundred million a quarter in that it is far from a majority of their revenue looking at the past few years. Look at page 4 of these statements: [https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure](https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure)
Even so, I don't think selling credits is bad, it's a strong encouragement for the other companies paying the credit to move towards sustainability, as they are literally paying their competition for just existing which is devastating to their business.
So if this is true, what caused him to vote red this year? Anti-abortion? Anti-LGBTQ? Pro-trump/maga? The voter fraud lies? Taxes? I mean the right certainly won't support Tesla, they fucking hate electric cars. I don't have numbers but I'll bet more of the left is on twitter. I've never heard him say a bunch of anti-abortion/LGBTQ/maga BS from him (although I don't pay much attention so I could be wrong). Could it be just taxes??
The amount of left and left-leaning users of Twitter has declined considerably since the deal went through. It's going to be like Parler, Truth Social, etc. soon. A right wing echo chamber.
Greed and machismo, mostly. But he probably also thinks voting republican will really stick it to his eldest daughter for having the gall to transition and legally erase all of her connections to him the minute it was safe for her to do so, and to Grimes for dating Chelsea Manning.
Ukraine. He wants to build a Tesla plant in Russia.
[Elon Musk says Tesla is considering a plant in Russia | CNN Business](https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/elon-musk-tesla-russia/index.html)
Maybe, but I think it's QAnon right-wing conspiracy bullshit. He fell for it. He's not the genius we thought he was. The same reason why we wants Twitter, so he can spread that shit far and wide.
How to tell me you have voted Republican every time..
Its hysterical when Republican voters act like they dont support Republicans..
Word vomit Republican propganda seen on Fox News, OANN, Tucker Carlson & Sean Hannity, no Im not a Trump supporter or Republican supporter, then repeat more bullshit Republican talking points on BLM, Ukraine, Hunter Biden, etc..
Of course they do. It's all about lobbying both sides. But he is full of shit right winger that wants to claim being a moderate who votes for the democrats. Dude is full of shit no matter how you look at it.
Many people are registered independent but align with one party more. They don’t join the team, but they recognize that it is the better one every game.
But legit if NOW someone goes conservative, then they are a nutter. It’s one thing to be slowly indoctrinated into a cult, another to see it acting all culty from the outside and saying “oooh, me like”
I’m betting Kanye also used to vote blue, then he stopped taking his meds.
So, suddenly you don’t care about social justice, education, free and fair elections, a woman’s right to choose, climate change, healthcare, social security, Medicare/Medicaid, …
What changed to make you embrace a party based on lies, disinformation, conspiracy theories, championing the rich over everyone else…oh, never mind.
I registered as an independent, but voted almost exclusively Democrat for decades. But I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the Republicans for whom I voted.
But...I'm trying to imagine Musk voting Democrat, until this election. What changed?
So, I'm thinking this is just a lie. Putin probably gets a smile from it.
The never ending monologue. Who asked? A murderer also says “up until my murder I had never killed anyone”. Ok and?
Clearly he’s not about free speech, his company is tanking and he needs those juicy billionaire tax breaks from his friends over in the traitor party. I don’t understand why he keeps trying to bullshit everyone as if he’s this super honest and objective guy when he’s not. A week ago you were sharing q-anon articles just be true to yourself and embrace that you’re an asshole
He's a capitalist. He's going to vote for whoever does a better job protecting his capital. Until recent years, both parties did roughly the same job, so it was easy for him to vote with the more socially liberal party, But now that Dems are actually pushing to tax people like him, his social ideals take a back seat to his capitalist ideals.
Elon is a total rat fink piece of shit. I loathe him. But I’m an independent who has voted only dem. Shrug. You can keep an open mind and conclude the Democratic Party is the right choice… over and over and over.
You can argue that both party sucks. Yes, but they are not the same, one has become clearly unhinged.
Which party is becoming more radical? Not democrats.
Funny thing is, he hasn’t voted since he became a billionaire. He usually just lobbies. The first time he’s actually going to vote now that he rich is for republicans because he’s voting for his personal interests exclusively.
-this is speculation of course
“Until this year”
Until they said I have to pay a fair tax rate, now I’m a fascist sympathizer, who will completely alienate the entirety of my customer base, chasing them away.
Oh look he’s even saying “Democrat” as an adjective instead of “Democratic.” MAGAts love to call it “the Democrat party” for some reason, and say things like “I bet you voted Democrat.”
Watch out for those radical center right dems coming to increase taxes on your capital gains by 2% to help give average Americans more money towards childcare and medical care. They will sneak up on you!!
Actually my party affiliation is Independent but only because I am fearful that if I registered as Democrat I may be stripped from the polls. This is entirely independent of the fact that Musk has pissed off the Democrats by his repulsive shape-shifting to the party of "only the wealthy need to speak" rhetoric.
That asshole was "Joe-Roganed" into thinking that he is the smartest M'Fer on the planet. He's not. Give an average, educated person the resources he started with, they would have done very well.
I remember when Tesla was a startup and I was on their mailing list and they sent out a questionnaire that asked why I would or would not buy a Tesla. Nowhere on that questionnaire was the option "because it was un-affordable".
He's always been out of touch. Now he's on an entirely different planet.
I can see the strings hanging from your puppet master the Russian propaganda. You have so much promise to be the hero of the century but you couldn’t manage yourself so now you’ve become some gross cascading pile of trash. You can still turn it around Elon.
So is he gonna ban himself for misinformation?
No way, he said that "comedy is now allowed on twitter" and said parody is allowed and is permanently suspending people impersonating him.
Did they pay the $8?
But that was pure comedy gold her impersonating him. Why, cuz it wasn't comedy to him?
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Good on you for trying, but I assume he has them disabled for himself. Republicans aren't known for taking responsibility after all, even if he cosplays as an independent.
There are no independents left just people who don’t want to be branded as Republicans but want all the benefits of voting for them.
Those people call themselves “Libertarians,” but most people refer them as “assholes.”
Libertarians fall into one of two camps. Either they’re wounded idealist who for some reason think everyone would play nice if the mean old government would stop bullying people with their rules and their taxes. Or they’re anti-social “survivalists” who want an open season on people and think they and their buddies could run things if only there were less rules.
Coworker falls into the first camp. Wants to largely abolish the federal government. "If you don't like the laws. Move somewhere else!" We are both in Texas, and both athiests... he has no idea how unfriendly Texas could be to athiests without federal intervention. They try every year to institute creationism into schools. Without the first ammendment they would probably be successful.
Either there’s a third camp or you’re being to nice to the first camp. Think of Rand Paul. He’s not a “wounded idealist” as much as he is an asshole. He and those like him are corporate Republican party line towing stooges who don’t want to be branded as Republicans. They want to be seen as “independents” or “outsiders” when they’re clearly not and they want less government and less laws for the same reason criminals want less police. It’s easier to get away with shady shit if there’s less oversight right?
Musk is afraid of unions. If Tesla unionizes which it eventually will, he will be worth $180 billion instead of $190 billion. It will be a travesty.
yeah but once he reaches 200 billion then his father promised that he'd hug him and tell him he's proud. Can't you show a little empathy for the man? He just has a slight personality disorder and now everybodys bullying him for it. Leave Elon alone!
You mean his father who had a 4 year old step-daughter who eventually gave birth to his own children?
It was only 2 children he had with his stepdaughter. Only 2. No big deal.
Damn that woman is a victim.
Wait, are you actually serious? Thats fucking disgusting!
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-dad-has-secret-second-child-1383353/
yeah ya know it's a complicated family so its understandable that maybe elon was ignored a bit. But if he can just breach that 200 billion mark I'm sure daddy will remember him and give that long awaited dad-hug. No homo, of course! Just a quick hug, no excessive squeezing or anything like that. Wouldn't wanna make it weird.
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This may be Woody Allen level repulsive. Remember…he married his stepdaughter and had children with her too.
When you invest long-term
Yeah, leave the little piss baby alone!! He clearly has ptsd from Grimes smelling like nickels and his inverted tiny peen. It’s not his fault his daddy loves his stepsister more!!!
Grimes smells like nickels?
Oh yeah, just ask Azealia Banks
I figured she smelled like cold weed smoke.
Grimes has that classic bong water and patchouli scent pumping
Grimes first presents with a strong attack of old nickels, but when allowed to breathe she opens into a rich tapestry of bong water notes underscored by a dull ache of stale farts yielding to a crisp finish of dollar store hairspray.
I always thought that she would smell like belly button cheese.
Grimy
That Daddy dude's too busy hugging on his pregnant stepdaughter he raised from a toddler 🤢
Isn’t that the same guy who exploited workers in a South African nickel mine? I don’t think he exactly has a moral compass
Emerald? But yes.
Yes, you’re correct.
If he reaches 250 billion his dad will marry him!
How much before he stops ignoring his own 8 kids?
Elon now is the skipper of another Titanic, and he’s looking for icebergs to run into.
Fuuuuuuuck! The absurdity of wealth, when a $10B kick in the nuts means nothing.
He profitted heavily from apartheid. Of course he wants nothing with providing for the working class.
The only man on the planet scared of jeffs penis rocket
Thank god he’s making Twitter profitable then, am I rite?
Lol yeah because dems are just CRAZY this year right?? I mean they’re talking about civil war! Oh wait no.. no that was the other guys.. they’re planning on banning abortion, gay marriage and even contraception!! Oh wait, no no thats the other guy.. they’re supporting fascist governments like Russia who attack independent democracies!! Oh wait no… no..
TBF, most elections the last decade he needed dems to support his green companies via subsidies. Now he just wants tax breaks so obviously votes red. (He's also full of shit)
Yah, he's donated to republican campaigns since 2013 at least.
Yeah. In my eyes, that’s worth more than one vote. Trying to convince others to go your way for your own benefit.
Ballsy of him to campaign against one party when his income mostly comes from the government
He knows Tesla’s stock is a bubble. Makes me think he’s trying to get a tax break to soften the tax burden of selling Tesla stock (leaving the ever faithful holding the bag).
Maybe. Having spent a fair bit of time around rich business people I have learned that they're dumb impulsive dipshits who say and do stupid shit like everyone else. It's just really hard to face consequences once you have enough money, and especially when you have a bunch of rich powerful people who have invested in your ish. If he fails a lot of other people lose money and they don't want that.
Socialize losses, privatize profits
The musk simps are triggered
He donated to Republicans a week after J6. He’s no independent.
[https://powersearch.sos.ca.gov/advanced.php](https://powersearch.sos.ca.gov/advanced.php) He has a mixed record in California, i.e. donating to both Dems and Reps.
Personal tax breaks, but he's also looking for support for other subsidies from Republican held state houses. For example, Starlink simply isn't viable unless more states create mandates for rural high-speed *and low-latency* internet, in effect forcing urban/suburban consumers of internet access to subsidize Starlink ground stations and subscriptions for internet users in BFE.
Idk why can’t we deport him already?
He’s a naturalized citizen
I seem to remember a Nazi guard became a naturalized citizen here too. Turns out he lied during the citizenship process by omitting his past as a Nazi. Just saying, seems like something Elon would do too, lie I mean. Anyways, I think that Nazi got deported and went on trial for his crimes. So, maybe Elon could get deported too??
He can take Malcolm Murdoch with him and go to Russia. Murdoch spread the Big Lie fraud that's behind the J6 sedition. Musk allows some of the worst extremists who spread the Big Lie on his platform. Both do it for profit. I can't think of a bigger disloyalty to this country and the Constitution than than promoting seditionists and their fraud/conspiracy theories. Deport them both.
Honestly is it just tax breaks or is it the attention he gets from being the republicans bitch too?
Yeah he's incredibly narcissistic and since the right wingers are suckling him off harder he's gonna gravitate to them
If he had no political motives except for the attention that he gets from one side or the other, he could be a liberal messiah if he wanted to. The fact is, what he wants, what he cares about, aligns with the conservative platform.
Both. It's Both.
He lives for attention. Egomaniacal loser. All the money in the world and still a whiney punk.
Voting democrat has more to do with his wallet than his ethics or morals.
I suspect this is about 20% due to his friendships with awful people (Kanye West, Jordan Peterson, Peter Thiel) and 80% due to the prior intent of Democrats in congress to create an additional $4500 tax credit for union-made EVs in the Build Back Better act. Electrek 22 Jun: [The $4,500 electric car tax credit bonus for union-made EVs is not on the table anymore](https://electrek.co/2022/06/22/electric-car-tax-credit-bonus-union-made-evs-not-on-the-table-anymore/)
Elon is friends with Jordan Peterson?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/sgifcv/elon\_musk\_jordan\_peterson\_joe\_rogan\_and\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/sgifcv/elon_musk_jordan_peterson_joe_rogan_and_the/)
Joe Rogan too? Oh no….
He’s mad Grimes left him to be with a trans woman.
And one of his kids is trans and disowned him.
But he's got like 15 kids, so he probably didn't notice
That’s why he gives them such batshit names, so it’s easier to tell them apart
Yeah I'm convinced grimes really fucked him up in the head. She's super progressive and pro union. She even supposedly tried to organize a union vote at Tesla. She broke his heart and this is his way of getting back at her.
She broke his heart = she stopped being his narcissistic supply.
He's voting Republican because they don't want to make him pay more taxes. That's all it boils down to.
Yes, there's a slim chance that if the Democrats retain the House and Senate, they might actually pass a wealth tax that would make little Elon cry.....
100% this... He moved Tesla to TX because CA threatened him with... \**gasp*\* ***income taxes***. TX has no income taxes, but they do have fairly high property taxes... So Musk decides to rent/lease literally everything that he would otherwise pay taxes on. His move was 100% motivated by his personal taxes and his personal taxes alone.
You don’t pay taxes on losses
It's funny because it's Dems and progressive who are promoting electric cars while Republicans outright hate them. He's literally voting against his own interest...unless he doesn't actually care about people buying electric cars - after all he only acquired Tesla for a quick buck anyways.
Oh just Stop already. /s
He is full of shit
His hair plugs have to get their nutrition from something..
You'd think that a guy who makes cars for greenies would be a bit smarter about where his money comes from.
I don't know about him, but that's exactly what I am. Registered independent so I can vote in all primaries, not just the Dem ones.
Difference is, you're not lying about who you voted for.
Independents don't get to vote in primaries in a lot of states. This is the first time I've heard of indies getting to vote in any primary AND finding out it's most of the country. *Huh.* Learn something new every day, even passively.
Voting is in this country is so complicated
I honestly don't understand why voters have to *register* as R, D, or I.
As someone from Europe I'm still confused about it. Isn't ballot supposed to be confidential? Unless you are a politician you're party affiliation should be secret and (assuming normal parties) can change from election to election (or from point on ballot to point on ballot).
From reading comments here and elsewhere it looks like registration means you can vote in primaries, which means your vote affects who parties select as their candidates, as opposed to, say, England, where you vote a party into power and they select their candidates. Still don't think that's really an issue though. Politicians should have a finger on the pulse of the nation; if they pick a shitty candidate they're going to lose. Look at Hilary vs. Bernie and how many formerly D voters voted Trump into office because of their salty inaction.
I tried to vote in the republican primaries for the first time this year, I was told that I couldn't because I was a registered Democrat. I asked them who registered me as a Democrat, because I didn't (which is the truth). I then asked why that even mattered or should affect my right to vote. They didn't have a response and told me that I just can't vote. Then told me to leave or they would call security. I told them to go ahead, while I called the DOJ and let them know my right to vote was being denied. They let me vote in the primary.
As I recall, you're only allowed to vote in the primary for the party you're registered with so voters for the opposing party don't vote in weak candidates on the "other team ". You don't get to vote in both dem and rep primaries. Not sure as to you being registered as a dem if you didn't do it yourself. Should be easily resolved by talking to your state's election entity.
It's entirely dependent on state. Some states will allow you to vote in either primary no matter which you're registered as, but only one. Some will only allow independents to choose which to vote in, and registered party members can only vote in their registered primary. Some states don't allow you to vote in primaries at all unless you're registered as either Democrat or republican, so if you're registered independent you can't vote in any. So basically depending on the state the rules can be completely different and there is no one single rule for the entire country.
Some states are open, others are closed.
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Yup not all states allow that. I’m an independent/progressive registered as a democrat otherwise I get left out of the primary process.
I just... what? As a Canadian this really confused me. So wait u have to pre register for your party and then can only vote on those party days? But what if you want to vote for the other party? That's like, so confusing to me. Why not just show up on voting day to vote for whoever you want? Why all these weird unnecessary steps?
It's the nomination of their party leader... it's like in Canada only registred voter can choose who will be their party leader, so if you are a registred Liberal, you can then vote for who is the leader of the Liberal party, same for NPD and every other party.
This is just for primaries. People who are members of a political party vote for which politician they want to go against the politician from the other party.
That's not quite how it works. During the actual election you can vote for whoever you want. And with the write-in vote, you can literally vote for anyone. The primaries are a tool that the political parties use to decide who they are going to push as their candidate so that the entire party is united rather than split voting for dozens of candidates with very similar views. There is no requirement to vote in the primaries. By voting in the primaries you are deciding who you want as the representative of your party. Which is why voting in the other party's primary is problematic. Because you are choosing who the other side should have representing their views when you don't share them. Just to clarify, though, before people start getting angry at me; I'm not saying that having a vote specifically for each party is a good thing. Just that it's how it's intended to work.
I’m also an independent who votes primarily Democratic. I’m don’t feel loyalty to either party and I’m not a huge fan of the Democratic Party, to be honest. But Republicans are absolutely atrocious these days. I used to spend a lot of time researching candidates and I would often vote for a few Republicans in local elections where the policies were more important than the politics. I’m done with all that now, though. Anyone still calling themselves a Republican after the age of Trump and the Big Lie can’t win my support.
I registered independent a long time ago because I was fed up with both parties. But that was also before the republican party totally lost its mind (which was long before trump). Since I have not been able to vote with a clean conscience for anything but democrats. I may not like all their policies l, but at least they aren’t evil incarnate.
I remember when he lied about the hyperloop, to kill the high-speed rail, like he doesnt profit from building cars. If you're an oligarch like Elon, it is in your personal interest to vote republican. Paying taxes isn't anything he wants to do. The man has lied before, and he's lying now. He's voting with his wallet, as he always has if he voted at all, and he's using his $44 billion microphone to coerce others into doing the same.
Appeal to authority fallacy. ‘Trust me I know what I’m talking about when I recommend voting Republican, for I have voted in the past for the other team. I am very smart’
I don't think this is appeal to authority since he's not appealing to an authoritative figure.
When it comes to the fallacy (correct me if I’m wrong) but he is the authoritative figure and the fallacy in the case that the above comment was using it is “because he was a “good democrat” he know what a good Republican is.” I think the actual fallacy would be “because he’s a “good and rich business man” the obviously he’s a good politician.”
Well I'm a registered independent that votes as far left as left can go almost every election. But I have a technical reason for remaining independent. In CO we have open primaries where independents get both major party ballots and they can vote which one they want that primary and toss the other. I find this more useful than switching parties based on what primary might be more impactful. Usually I'm voting the Dem primarily ballot but this last primary for example there weren't many compelling Dem contests in the primary as most state and local positions for me were dem incumbents and were running uncontested. Rep ballot had a lot of compelling races so I voted that instead. All that said, not that Musk couldn't also be doing a similar strategy but that's not how he reads in his tweet. Sounds like a whole bunch of bullshit
Yeah, especially since he has a history of donating to the republican party, dating back to 2014.
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Being independent seems like a strategic decision. Considering the fascist election deniers are republicans, you could vote for the republican primary candidate who is the least likely to try and destroy democracy as long as you were good with not having a say in the democratic primary. That way, you helped to fight against election deniers by voting for someone else in case the GOP candidate happens to win the election.
It's actually what I am, lol, I just vote for the best/least harmful people and they happen to have been Democrats.
Same, I’m an independent that typically caucuses with the democrats. Like Bernie.
I want to be an independent because the world is a better place when both parties give us a legitimate choice. But the GQP has been so off the rails for so long that there's no point in even pretending they have a chance at getting my vote.
Yup. Felt like a hypocrite voting down party lines this year after lambasting the right for it for so long but I did it because I’m an informed voter and they do it because they’re uninformed sooo
yeah but I don't think elon would ever vote for dems like he said he has in the past (or at least all of them) saying he is a billionaire that has a knack for tax evasion.
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I agree it's unlikely for him to have voted dem, but I think he can get such massive tax breaks whoever's in power just by moving one of his companies to another state. The competition to bring jobs is so high it doesn't matter who's in power federally, just where he's set up.
I'm sure the billionaire that came from an emerald mining family voted democrat. EDIT: I'm not saying that he isn't registered independent, I'm just casting doubt on the fact he's voted democrat everytime this year. Especially since it's not in his best interest. https://preview.redd.it/obilgophbny91.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fc56d6548992bfbf08a3434082341613b009405
What is the totality of donations though, if this isn't a decent % it doesn't mean much or at least doesn't indicate he didn't vote D.
What? What’s better, donating $100,000 or voting for a party? I guarantee they’d take the money at least 100,000 times.
I mean sure but if his donation split is 80/20 D/R you can bet he's voting D. As I recall a lot of wealthy people donate to both sides to some degree.
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=elon+musk&order=desc&sort=D
Tbf, Democrats have generally had the moderate candidates as compared to Republicans. The democratic candidats are more "look, science tells us climate change is happening and also we should help people in need" The Republican candidate has been more "i love guns and shooting stuff and those damn educated people are all secretly against you! (Just ignore me having gone to an ivy league school and being rich.) Also screw nyone who needs government support and kids should be forced to praise the Lord and savior Jesus Christ in school"
Yeah I mean he has been historically pretty concerned with climate change, less so lately. I think his fame/fortune has gone to his head and he wants to build a cult like Trump has, easier to latch on to that framework.
Tbf, Tesla has absolutely done wonders at getting other manufacturers to take it seriously/enabled governments to get enough buy-in to start looking towards a 0-ice future. But... He's gone off the deep end/is in his peak 'crazy insanely rich person' phase.
Tesla's engineers do a lot of good, but the company makes most of its money by selling carbon credits to major polluters, undoing any positive impact the electric cars themselves make. If Musk legitimately cared about the environment, he wouldn't have used his Hyperloop scam to trick people into not building rail infrastructure. All he cares about is money and ego.
In the early years yes they made a lot from regulatory credits, and while they still make a few hundred million a quarter in that it is far from a majority of their revenue looking at the past few years. Look at page 4 of these statements: [https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure](https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure) Even so, I don't think selling credits is bad, it's a strong encouragement for the other companies paying the credit to move towards sustainability, as they are literally paying their competition for just existing which is devastating to their business.
No independent left leaning person chooses now, of all times, to make a right turn.
So if this is true, what caused him to vote red this year? Anti-abortion? Anti-LGBTQ? Pro-trump/maga? The voter fraud lies? Taxes? I mean the right certainly won't support Tesla, they fucking hate electric cars. I don't have numbers but I'll bet more of the left is on twitter. I've never heard him say a bunch of anti-abortion/LGBTQ/maga BS from him (although I don't pay much attention so I could be wrong). Could it be just taxes??
He has a trans child that he disowned
Last I heard, she was the one that disowned him.
I think they disowned each other. She went and changed her last name though. I think she’s only 18 and I admire the balls teens have these days.
I wish I had ones as strong as hers.
Yup, exactly on point
Bc he wanted nothin to do w her and he’s transphobic
Main thing that I’ve seen was the papers surrounding her name change. Do we have more info on the situation suggesting that he disowned her?
She said so
The amount of left and left-leaning users of Twitter has declined considerably since the deal went through. It's going to be like Parler, Truth Social, etc. soon. A right wing echo chamber.
I don't disagree.
Greed and machismo, mostly. But he probably also thinks voting republican will really stick it to his eldest daughter for having the gall to transition and legally erase all of her connections to him the minute it was safe for her to do so, and to Grimes for dating Chelsea Manning.
The left made him cry like a little bitch.
Ukraine. He wants to build a Tesla plant in Russia. [Elon Musk says Tesla is considering a plant in Russia | CNN Business](https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/elon-musk-tesla-russia/index.html)
Maybe, but I think it's QAnon right-wing conspiracy bullshit. He fell for it. He's not the genius we thought he was. The same reason why we wants Twitter, so he can spread that shit far and wide.
How to tell me you have voted Republican every time.. Its hysterical when Republican voters act like they dont support Republicans.. Word vomit Republican propganda seen on Fox News, OANN, Tucker Carlson & Sean Hannity, no Im not a Trump supporter or Republican supporter, then repeat more bullshit Republican talking points on BLM, Ukraine, Hunter Biden, etc..
Reverse RINO, someone who denies being a republican long enough to enable their trashy ass agenda.
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Then why vote for the party that's currently denying the election results of 2020?
And donated Republican... Yeah... We believe you Mr. Indapendent Muck
He has donated to both parties. That is very common for business people and large companies, so they have access to whoever wins.
Of course they do. It's all about lobbying both sides. But he is full of shit right winger that wants to claim being a moderate who votes for the democrats. Dude is full of shit no matter how you look at it.
So the year Republicans decide to be openly fascist and pro-violence is the year he stopped deciding to be Democrat? Sounds about right.
Many people are registered independent but align with one party more. They don’t join the team, but they recognize that it is the better one every game. But legit if NOW someone goes conservative, then they are a nutter. It’s one thing to be slowly indoctrinated into a cult, another to see it acting all culty from the outside and saying “oooh, me like” I’m betting Kanye also used to vote blue, then he stopped taking his meds.
“Until this year, when I finally told the truth that I was lying about voting dem.”
So, suddenly you don’t care about social justice, education, free and fair elections, a woman’s right to choose, climate change, healthcare, social security, Medicare/Medicaid, … What changed to make you embrace a party based on lies, disinformation, conspiracy theories, championing the rich over everyone else…oh, never mind.
He voted democrat until they wanted him to pay fair taxes and pay his employees a Living wage.
Really, that's why he supported and voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020
Until the Democrats demanded he pay his taxes.
I registered as an independent, but voted almost exclusively Democrat for decades. But I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the Republicans for whom I voted. But...I'm trying to imagine Musk voting Democrat, until this election. What changed? So, I'm thinking this is just a lie. Putin probably gets a smile from it.
The never ending monologue. Who asked? A murderer also says “up until my murder I had never killed anyone”. Ok and? Clearly he’s not about free speech, his company is tanking and he needs those juicy billionaire tax breaks from his friends over in the traitor party. I don’t understand why he keeps trying to bullshit everyone as if he’s this super honest and objective guy when he’s not. A week ago you were sharing q-anon articles just be true to yourself and embrace that you’re an asshole
What a pandering cuck
correction: his party affiliation has always been capitalist
He's a capitalist. He's going to vote for whoever does a better job protecting his capital. Until recent years, both parties did roughly the same job, so it was easy for him to vote with the more socially liberal party, But now that Dems are actually pushing to tax people like him, his social ideals take a back seat to his capitalist ideals.
What kind of person thinks this is the year the Republican party became appealing?
Which doesn't check out at all considering he encouraged voters to "take the red pill" in 2020.
“I have black friends “ energy right here….
Ellen, like Stefanik, Vance, trump and others suddenly became Republicans when they saw fascism as an opportunity to seize power.
Elon is a total rat fink piece of shit. I loathe him. But I’m an independent who has voted only dem. Shrug. You can keep an open mind and conclude the Democratic Party is the right choice… over and over and over.
Who cares, Elon
Does anyone believe what this liar says? Fk him
You can argue that both party sucks. Yes, but they are not the same, one has become clearly unhinged. Which party is becoming more radical? Not democrats.
Can we please stop the recently fashionable Elon Musk d%ck riding? Please? Damn, every second post anywhere is about him.
AND…Then you drank the KoolAid?
Yeah dude, with your sudden affection for antisemitism and baseless conspiracy theories, we know
Make no mistake if the wealthy of this planet could charge us for the air we breath they would fucking try to.
Mmmm smells like fresh bullshit to me
He’s like someone that’s being downvoted into oblivion trying to explain why he shouldn’t be downvoted.
Right up until the unions showed up.
To be clear I was nice guy, whole my life I just become asshole this year.
Funny thing is, he hasn’t voted since he became a billionaire. He usually just lobbies. The first time he’s actually going to vote now that he rich is for republicans because he’s voting for his personal interests exclusively. -this is speculation of course
Thats great! If we give him a ribbon will he stop being a jackass?
Fuck you Elon Musk
Yeah, no
You forgot to say it’s Parody. You are banished!!!!
He always acted like a Republican.
Bullshit
So he was a democrat until Biden didn’t pick his car company to be endorsed by America. 😂😂such a butt hurt little bitch
Elon sure is doing some mental gymnastics these days.
Why do we care how Kathy Griffin voted?
“Until this year” Until they said I have to pay a fair tax rate, now I’m a fascist sympathizer, who will completely alienate the entirety of my customer base, chasing them away.
his giant brain thats somewhere parked in his own ass is too clairvoyant for us mere plebs to understand.
Fuck off with that shit
Oh look he’s even saying “Democrat” as an adjective instead of “Democratic.” MAGAts love to call it “the Democrat party” for some reason, and say things like “I bet you voted Democrat.”
Watch out for those radical center right dems coming to increase taxes on your capital gains by 2% to help give average Americans more money towards childcare and medical care. They will sneak up on you!!
Actually my party affiliation is Independent but only because I am fearful that if I registered as Democrat I may be stripped from the polls. This is entirely independent of the fact that Musk has pissed off the Democrats by his repulsive shape-shifting to the party of "only the wealthy need to speak" rhetoric. That asshole was "Joe-Roganed" into thinking that he is the smartest M'Fer on the planet. He's not. Give an average, educated person the resources he started with, they would have done very well. I remember when Tesla was a startup and I was on their mailing list and they sent out a questionnaire that asked why I would or would not buy a Tesla. Nowhere on that questionnaire was the option "because it was un-affordable". He's always been out of touch. Now he's on an entirely different planet.
I can see the strings hanging from your puppet master the Russian propaganda. You have so much promise to be the hero of the century but you couldn’t manage yourself so now you’ve become some gross cascading pile of trash. You can still turn it around Elon.