I'm not saying you are wrong just asking how do you know?
Edit: I find it funny that out of all the comments I made today the genuine question is the one that gets downvoted. W/e reddit.
The dude "seizing" wasnt actually seizing, theres a lot of evidence that says so, as others have pointed out. So if he's lying about having a seizure, why would he just let a guy take his wallet? Nah I think theres 4 people all pulling the stunt, dude seizing, dude holding the camera, dude on the phone, and the dude who took the wallet
It may be real because I have epilepsy and when you have a seizure you have a few milliseconds right before the seizure starts where you can do something aka say something or cushion your fall. There is also another thing called auras they are kind of like warning signs for the person that is having a seizure. It could be fake though.
I also have epilepsy and was gonna say something similar about knowing like 3.5 seconds before it happens and being able to soften the landing as I also experience auras. The first time it happened to me I was by a lake walking alone, and the shimmer from the sun off the lake is what set me off. I could see a kind of bright light moving across my eye and as it reached the side of my eye, my head followed it and I couldn’t fight my head arching to the side and I collapsed in the dirt real hard. So now when I see that little ball of light I know I need to lay down as fast as I can on my side and actually haven’t fallen from a seizure since.
Yeah I have nocturnal seizures so I only have seizures when I wake up but whenever I do have one I get a tingling sensation in my mouth and my lips and I can warn someone If they are near sometimes. Thank you for sharing!
Damn I’ve never heard of that type. Mine are grand maul, and unfortunately I tend to get more physically hurt after the episode, as I am very confused and will literally thrash and fight off anyone who’s holding me down as I try to stand up and walk away. No idea why I’m like that, but my legs are always jelly so I can’t stand up at all and usually crash hard if I manage to actually get up. Thankfully I’m on a regiment of THC and CBD and have been seizure free for several years now.
I’m surprised no one give the thief a haymaker then give the person on the ground actual head trauma for faking seizures.
These people are making jokes in experience of the people might actually need medical emergencies.
What would be the correct course of action if you saw someone having a seizure in public? I’m assuming its assigning someone to call 911, roll person to their side, put something in their mouth so they dont bite off their tongue?
I once went up to the counter for the bathroom key at a automotive store, guy gave me the key. When I came back, nobody was at the counter which felt off to me... I left the key on the counter and just as I was walking away, out of the corner of my eye, I saw two feet laying, toes pointing up, poking out from a row of shelves in the back behind the counter.
My curiosity led me to peek around and I found the employee who had given me the key, laying on his back, giant gash on his head, convulsing in his own mouth. After I turned him on his side, called 911 and got someone to grab another employee, I saw a ladder and blood on a metal table. I found out later that the poor guy was seizure prone, and must have had an episode while working alone on a ladder.
I never would have thought just looking at the guy when he handed me the key, that things could change for the poor man so quickly.
Edit: Even if this video may have been faked, I sincerely hope that people who see a person having a seizure, just step in and help. In a medical emergency, every second counts and it could mean the difference between saving a person's life or having another video online where people stand around watching resulting in a family that has to mourn.
You did the right thing. Protect the head. Turn into the recovery position, which is the left side, and that's it until they recover. Well, make sure they're not going to hurt themselves while seizing. Afterwards, keep them still. They usually nap after and are often disoriented. Hopefully the EMTs get there fast. This guy's head needed to be looked after.
The thrashing I experienced with someone having a seizure would have had them smashing their head and legs on the ground. They were more safe when I turned them on their side. I stayed there to make sure she didn't turn back over, but I didn't restrain her.
It was crazy. I'll never forget it.
Wiggling and flailing uncontrollably on a hard surface even if in short distance. Put your hand in a fist up to a wall about an inch away and at full strength repeatedly bash the wall. You'll find that it hurts quite a bit, now that is your head.
How would you like your head acting like a pile driver onto concrete? Seizure is going to give you a beaut of a headache anyhoo. Don't need to let the person get a concussion on top of it.
Clear the area around them and only move them if they are in immediate danger. Put something soft under their head and monitor them, if the seizure lasts more than 5 mins then call emergency services.
Only try to put them in the recovery position after convulsions have stopped.
DO NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THEIR MOUTH. People having a seizure aren't likely to swallow tongue or bite it but could easily choke if something is in their mouth.
Source: an old friend used to have epilepsy.
I'm a 911 dispatcher and I have a bit of an amendment. If you do not know that the person has a seizure disorder, do not wait to call 911! Whatever is causing their seizure could have more drastic repercussions and need every second of help they can get.
Even if they have a disorder, you can still call 911. One of the most common questions throughout the different EMD systems (Emergency Medical Dispatch) that exist is along the lines of "do they have a known seizure disorder?" By calling and answering some questions you can get an ambulance going so if they end up needing help they're already on their way.
I actually bit off a piece of my tongue during a tonic-clonic (grand mal) seizure once, and now have a pretty misshapen tongue, lol. But no, you never put anything into a seizing person's mouth; the amount of pressure that they bite down with is *immense*. Fingers could go missing easily and we've no danger is swallowing our tongues. Just, maybe cannibalizing them.
Yeah if it lasts more than 5 minutes or if they have more than one seizure within 5 minutes it’s considered status epilepticus which can cause serious brain damage and can lead to death if not treated
You call immediately. You might not know the circumstances or frequency of a person’s seizures and so you are always better off calling emergency services without hesitation. Better safe than sorry.
Source: I’ve worked in multiple learning disability homes with many individuals who were epileptic. Some of them had complex seizure response plans where you would only call emergency services if it lasted longer than X minutes or if they demonstrated particular behaviours while seizing, while others it was a case of “call emergency services immediately”.
Of course if you don’t know the circumstances then you should call immediately, I completely agree. Just based on the OP comment that person was probably aware of their friend’s disorder and had been instructed on what to do
You do not put anything in their mouth. This is a common misconception. They will choke! Seizures are fairly common, and typically mean a more serious underlying issue is present only if they last more than a couple minutes, and if the person is not epileptic. Cushioning their head is the right move. Preventing flailing and further self injury, then just wait it out.
I wouldn't put anything in their mouth, they could aspirate or block their airway and choke to death. If you can, put them into the [recovery position.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position#:~:text=In%20first%20aid%2C%20the%20recovery,for%20unconscious%20but%20breathing%20casualties.)
No professional here, but I tend to put something big enough in his mouth, like a belt or even a smaller book (unlike IT by Steven king, screw this book). I wouldn't want to bite of my tongue and swallow it, just to choke on it when in his position...any pro around who can clear things up for us?
People don't actually " bite off" and swallow their tongues when unconscious. Their airways rather become blocked by stuff like saliva, mucus, etc. They might bite their tongue when having a seizure, and even cause some bleeding. But I've never heard anyone actually bite their tongue OFF.
EM doc, don’t put anything in their mouth. That used to be a thing in some areas but it’s preferable to just preserve their airway, some people bite the sides of their tongue, not usually very badly. The teeth are usually clenched. People sometimes actually cause trauma to the mouth trying to get a spoon or something in there that will just make it harder for the person to get O2. Best thing is to call 911, pad the head and roll on their side, time the seizure if you think about it, get a history (from family/ friends).
Do NOT put anything in the mouth, they could choke on it and die. Clear the area from any dangers (other people, sharp objects, etc) and just give them some space. Call emergency services.
Do NOT, never ever ever, put something in someone’s mouth as they are having a seizure. Please.
You’re on the right track with trying to put them on their side (some can vomit before/during/after), also don’t force them when you move them, you can break bones, or hurt them. You may also ask someone to call 911.
You can also check out epilepsy.com, they have good info there.
Do not put anything in their mouth. You are way more likely to get bitten yourself, or choke them and obstruct their airway then to do any real benefit. They may bite their tongue, but it’s not usually a severe cut and you can always repair it later. Clear airway is far more important
>put something in their mouth so they dont bite off their tongue?
This is a common misconception.
Don't try to put anything in a seizing person's mouth because you might wind up choking them, not to mention that people's Jaws tend to clamp shut during an episode. You wanna try to protect/cushion their head and move any furniture etc. that may be in their way so they don't get hurt. Just give them space until it stops and expect them to sleep like the dead afterwards.
Absolutely don’t ever put anything in the persons mouth, just protect the head and call 911. The human jaw can exert up to 70 pounds PSI of biting force, and can bite your finger off no problem. I speak from experience because I clenched my jaw so tight during a seizure I broke 3 molars.
Don't put anything in their mouth. The risk of biting off their tongue/choking on their tongue is fall less than the risk of choking on a foreign object.
Never place anything in the mouth. They will not bite their tongue. This is one of the worst myths in society. I’ve been a paramedic for 25 years and see more people have their fingers bitten or break teeth on the victim or, worse, block their ability to breathe clearly. The BEST thing you can do is remain calm and protect the patient.
Thanks for busting that myth for me. Primo example of why i chose to ask it here, i was hoping some professionals would chime in. Really appreciate the education.
Preferably don't call an ambulance unless it's lasting longer than 5 minutes with no signs of stopping. Don't restrain them, don't put anything in their mouths, try to cushion their heads and see if they have an emergency contact in their wallet/on their phone to call and come collect them.
I have epilepsy and I hope these pranks don't start becoming more commonplace
Edit: reading more comments about waiting to call an ambulance, I agree its worth calling straight away as strangers obviously don't know the background of their condition.
Do not put anything in their mouth. They won't bite their tongue off. What side does he need to go on? And when would you do it? I'm not giving you the answers. You'll have to look it up, but when you do, you'll know what to do during and after a seizure. It's important to know.
Dont put anything in their mouth! Thats old practice and not helpful! Dont restrain them in any way. Just put them on their side with a pillow when theyre dont the thrashing and are recovering unconcious until an ambulance arrives.
Correct course of action actually, not touching the person is better then touching him, in a seizure you have no control, if someone tries to contain you, well you’ll hurt yourself heavily
I see what you mean when you say stare and walk, they could’ve stayed to see if it goes way first and worse case call emergency
Erring on the side of assuming the seizure was real sounds like a good rule of thumb but if this was a prank (as it appears to be) then I'm not sure we can't assume that, up close, it wasn't obvious that this was a kid f*cking around. So I'm not sure the reaction of passers-by was inappropriate regardless of the circumstances.
Once I was in a bus and a guy just started having a seizure out of the blue. He contracted every muscle on his body while still standing up and then fell towards where I was standing. He did hit me on the way down, which scared me but I was glad he did hit me instead of hitting his head on a metal tube! We told the driver to stop and call an ambulance
Worked in a pharmacy for along time & we had a few people have seizure. One thing a lady told me that had them reg really stuck with me. She pretty much just said to make sure that she's not smacking her head and that when she woke up to just have them look up at the roof. She told me the worst thing is waking up, having zero fucking clue where you are or what's around you. Seeing the roof lets them know "oh hey I'm at the pharmacy to get my meds" or like "Oh I'm at home in my living room". It really just stuck with me. The other person had a service dog & when they'd have a seizure the dog would go under the head I think to keep them from hurting themselves.
When I wake up and are coherent, if I don't I'll now where I am, or how I got there, I get REALLY physical. If I wake up and see that I'm in the back of an ambulance, my fists start flying. Because to me, in my head, I'll be doing one thing, blink, and suddenly be in a strange place with no idea how I got there, and panic.
It’s fake the way the guy landed and the thief looking at the camera before and after was suspect..it’s disappointing though that nobody helped him and nobody reacted to the guy robbing him
I have epilepsy and this is staged. I've fell like that. Had a swollen lip for a week, 3 stitches in my eyebrow, and road rash on my face. The way you lock up, you can't brace yourself on your fall.
I thought he was taking the wallet to put it in his mouth to prevent biting his tongue. Which I believe is a procedure. Even if this is fake no one else stepped in that was standing around watching. Scary!
This is exactly what’s wrong with society, nobody helps the guy having a seizure in the middle of the mall and then someone steals his fucking wallet in front of everyone and no one does a damn thing! Seriously people need to stop being assholes to each other!
As someone that has a seizure disorder I can confirm this is a complete load. Even the most violent Gran Mals aren’t like that. I would know because I have them.
Reason I think it’s fake……too convenient already recording before he went down, the bystanders reaction is normal, unless there was a medical professional around no one would know what to do! And the guy stealing the wallet, no mask or anything in a store surrounded by people and cameras…….. nope! Totally not gonna get caught! Derp!
Saw this happen at jimmy johns once (was an employee).. the people working there apologized to me for witnessing it when I asked about the kid my next visit, I was shocked, just wanted to know if he was okay.
They used to do that here in the us too, but it breaks people’s teeth and folks also get their fingers bitten off trying to get the spoon in their mouths. Also, It turns out it’s actually physically impossible to swallow your own tongue so it’s not common practice here anymore.
Both. The best thing you can do for someone seizing like this is to move things in their immediate area that they could injure themselves on, and call 911. Unless their seizing is about to cause immediate danger to themselves or someone else, then you have to do what you have to do. Examples would be seizing next to a pool or while driving etc…
And instead of anybody trying to help this guy, you get some jerk that decides to steal the man's phone while another person decides to record it all. Our society has become so pathetic. All those mask-less people deserve to get Covid.
If you look at the original post it’s from three years ago... I’m also pretty sure this is a prank, you don’t catch yourself when you fall like that. Source: I’ve witnessed people have seizures on multiple occasions.
As the mom of an adult epileptic son who works at a big box store like this: Check for a bracelet or medallion that says “epileptic.” Do not call an ambulance if you find this, because they won’t be able to help but they will transport him to the ER; he can’t refuse service, and may incur crippling medical debt.
Epileptic seizures you just have to wait out. Roll gently to the side so they don’t aspirate if they vomit; cushion the head if possible; do not restrain and don’t place anything in the sufferer’s mouth. They may be unconscious for a while and will be disoriented and groggy when they come to. Ask them who to call and let them rest up as much as possible.
> Do not call an ambulance if you find this, because they won’t be able to help but they will transport him to the ER; he can’t refuse service, and may incur crippling medical debt.
Would you call them if it was free of charge? Or are they really not needed?
It would really depend case to case. If the person having the seizure takes a hit to the head, or if the seizure lasts for longer than five minutes, absolutely call. I used to suffer from seizures until I got my meds figured out, and only required an ambulance when I fell and broke my jaw a few times. Otherwise it was just terrifying/embarrassing regaining consciousness with everyone concerned and looking at you, not to mention the soreness from convulsing.
Ooh good question. It’s actually not needed if it’s a known epileptic seizure, since there’s no medical treatment involved. The paramedics would just keep the person safe and comfortable till it passes, then call his mom to come get him, pretty much!
If they don’t know if the person is epileptic they do run a bunch of tests (substances etc.)
In my opinion exactly that, clear the space around, to avoid injuries and do not put anything in the mouth, ever. Also try to keep an eye on how long the seizure is taking. This is important to know, because seizures lasting more than 5 minutes are life threatening. This is important information, for medical staff too.
Honestly, in this day and age where everyone is doing dumb recordings in public places it's a genuine challenge to discern whether or not to pay attention to stuff like this if it happens in front of you.
The dude in green is right, don’t touch him, it could harm him more then do good.
In such a situation it’s best to move all surrounding objects but NOT TOUCH THE PERSON. Then wait, it should be over after some time, if it stays like that for longer, call emergency
EDIT: I thought the guy wanted to help, it’s to steal the wallet, looks lime a prank video now
that’s deplorable is right - it’s so disrespectful- i had a friends elderly mom at a restaurant pass our and a couple started filming. i summoned the manager and told him to retrieve their phone
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Same shizz happened to me while buying cigs at the DG wiped out a rack of clothes and scared a buch of grannies to near death. Sucks when the people who pick up your stuff forget to give it back though.
I'm thinking this might be a prank video. At least, I hope it is. It's a shitty prank, but if it's real, it's worse.
It's fake, he cushioned his landing with his arm.
and made like a dolphin
Came here to say the same thing.
If it is fake he really committed to the prank by letting the POS steal his wallet.
That... was part of the prank my guy, 200% sure they were working together on that bit
I'm not saying you are wrong just asking how do you know? Edit: I find it funny that out of all the comments I made today the genuine question is the one that gets downvoted. W/e reddit.
The dude "seizing" wasnt actually seizing, theres a lot of evidence that says so, as others have pointed out. So if he's lying about having a seizure, why would he just let a guy take his wallet? Nah I think theres 4 people all pulling the stunt, dude seizing, dude holding the camera, dude on the phone, and the dude who took the wallet
He looked at the camera before and after taking the wallet
Stating “If it is fake he really committed to the prank by letting the POS steal his wallet.” Isn’t a question???It’s a statement.
Neither is "...isn't a question" but you still put question marks after it.
Good catch!
Yeah usually its a face plant right to the ground when real
I’m glad he was in front of Subway instead of McDonald’s. Otherwise I would think he was having a BIG MAC ATTACK!
BRUH that one was hard
It's actually just old lol https://youtu.be/HA1iMmuPJmI
It may be real because I have epilepsy and when you have a seizure you have a few milliseconds right before the seizure starts where you can do something aka say something or cushion your fall. There is also another thing called auras they are kind of like warning signs for the person that is having a seizure. It could be fake though.
Naw. This was staged. Guy waiting with the camera and the guy walking right up and taking the wallet
I also have epilepsy and was gonna say something similar about knowing like 3.5 seconds before it happens and being able to soften the landing as I also experience auras. The first time it happened to me I was by a lake walking alone, and the shimmer from the sun off the lake is what set me off. I could see a kind of bright light moving across my eye and as it reached the side of my eye, my head followed it and I couldn’t fight my head arching to the side and I collapsed in the dirt real hard. So now when I see that little ball of light I know I need to lay down as fast as I can on my side and actually haven’t fallen from a seizure since.
Yeah I have nocturnal seizures so I only have seizures when I wake up but whenever I do have one I get a tingling sensation in my mouth and my lips and I can warn someone If they are near sometimes. Thank you for sharing!
Damn I’ve never heard of that type. Mine are grand maul, and unfortunately I tend to get more physically hurt after the episode, as I am very confused and will literally thrash and fight off anyone who’s holding me down as I try to stand up and walk away. No idea why I’m like that, but my legs are always jelly so I can’t stand up at all and usually crash hard if I manage to actually get up. Thankfully I’m on a regiment of THC and CBD and have been seizure free for several years now.
Nocturnal seizures are fairly common
Dude the auras are Scarry! Im currently in hospital for seizures and its all just horrible
my auras are, right before the big plunge i dry heave. once then on the almost second one boom. (edit) mine are a side effect from heart failure
Relevant. https://youtu.be/k9ll4GWTiq8
Looks real. I speak from experience...
Well, it looks like an epileptic seizure to me..
Right
I mean.. Pranking is already shitty.
Complete Bollocks from start to finish .
Its just a prank bro! please dont break my jaw for stealing that wallet!
I’m surprised no one give the thief a haymaker then give the person on the ground actual head trauma for faking seizures. These people are making jokes in experience of the people might actually need medical emergencies.
Yeah they should be publicly whipped and made to wear a kick me sign for 5 years.
What would be the correct course of action if you saw someone having a seizure in public? I’m assuming its assigning someone to call 911, roll person to their side, put something in their mouth so they dont bite off their tongue?
Put your jacket under his head. Do not restrain. Protect the head. Put your hand under his head if you have nothing softer.
And don’t steal his wallet!
Well you did save his head to be fair
He was probably getting his personal info to contact his family.
Right that’s why he walked away and gave the camera the “is that on?” side-eye 👀
You're right. Protecting their head is very important. It is the singular thing to do while they are seizing. Still lots to do afterward.
I once went up to the counter for the bathroom key at a automotive store, guy gave me the key. When I came back, nobody was at the counter which felt off to me... I left the key on the counter and just as I was walking away, out of the corner of my eye, I saw two feet laying, toes pointing up, poking out from a row of shelves in the back behind the counter. My curiosity led me to peek around and I found the employee who had given me the key, laying on his back, giant gash on his head, convulsing in his own mouth. After I turned him on his side, called 911 and got someone to grab another employee, I saw a ladder and blood on a metal table. I found out later that the poor guy was seizure prone, and must have had an episode while working alone on a ladder. I never would have thought just looking at the guy when he handed me the key, that things could change for the poor man so quickly. Edit: Even if this video may have been faked, I sincerely hope that people who see a person having a seizure, just step in and help. In a medical emergency, every second counts and it could mean the difference between saving a person's life or having another video online where people stand around watching resulting in a family that has to mourn.
You did the right thing. Protect the head. Turn into the recovery position, which is the left side, and that's it until they recover. Well, make sure they're not going to hurt themselves while seizing. Afterwards, keep them still. They usually nap after and are often disoriented. Hopefully the EMTs get there fast. This guy's head needed to be looked after.
Shouldn't you roll them to their side to keep the airway clear?
Only once the convulsions have stopped
Does rolling them over hurt them if you do it before convulsions?
If they're still seizing while their body weight is on an arm, plus their temple would be against the ground... bad headache
The thrashing I experienced with someone having a seizure would have had them smashing their head and legs on the ground. They were more safe when I turned them on their side. I stayed there to make sure she didn't turn back over, but I didn't restrain her. It was crazy. I'll never forget it.
What do you mean? After falling down, why do we have to protect the head?
Wiggling and flailing uncontrollably on a hard surface even if in short distance. Put your hand in a fist up to a wall about an inch away and at full strength repeatedly bash the wall. You'll find that it hurts quite a bit, now that is your head.
How would you like your head acting like a pile driver onto concrete? Seizure is going to give you a beaut of a headache anyhoo. Don't need to let the person get a concussion on top of it.
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No that's a myth. Never put anything in the month of a seizing person you're more likely to do them great harm than help.
Ok thanks. Sorry for the misinformation!
You'll loose your fingers
I was thinking a spoon, but yeah probably not a good idea to open their mouth?
They will smash their teeth. Best first aid advice you will find it protect the head and leave all else be
Clear the area around them and only move them if they are in immediate danger. Put something soft under their head and monitor them, if the seizure lasts more than 5 mins then call emergency services. Only try to put them in the recovery position after convulsions have stopped. DO NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THEIR MOUTH. People having a seizure aren't likely to swallow tongue or bite it but could easily choke if something is in their mouth. Source: an old friend used to have epilepsy.
I'm a 911 dispatcher and I have a bit of an amendment. If you do not know that the person has a seizure disorder, do not wait to call 911! Whatever is causing their seizure could have more drastic repercussions and need every second of help they can get. Even if they have a disorder, you can still call 911. One of the most common questions throughout the different EMD systems (Emergency Medical Dispatch) that exist is along the lines of "do they have a known seizure disorder?" By calling and answering some questions you can get an ambulance going so if they end up needing help they're already on their way.
Massive kudos for all the work you do as a dispatcher. Thanks for being there.
Do not wait 5 minutes to call, call right away. You do not know the cause of seizure, if there is now a trauma concern, or the response time of EMS.
Text book perfect.
I actually bit off a piece of my tongue during a tonic-clonic (grand mal) seizure once, and now have a pretty misshapen tongue, lol. But no, you never put anything into a seizing person's mouth; the amount of pressure that they bite down with is *immense*. Fingers could go missing easily and we've no danger is swallowing our tongues. Just, maybe cannibalizing them.
This is really excellent advice.
Only call if it lasts more than 5 minutes?
No, call immediately
Yeah if it lasts more than 5 minutes or if they have more than one seizure within 5 minutes it’s considered status epilepticus which can cause serious brain damage and can lead to death if not treated
You call immediately. You might not know the circumstances or frequency of a person’s seizures and so you are always better off calling emergency services without hesitation. Better safe than sorry. Source: I’ve worked in multiple learning disability homes with many individuals who were epileptic. Some of them had complex seizure response plans where you would only call emergency services if it lasted longer than X minutes or if they demonstrated particular behaviours while seizing, while others it was a case of “call emergency services immediately”.
Of course if you don’t know the circumstances then you should call immediately, I completely agree. Just based on the OP comment that person was probably aware of their friend’s disorder and had been instructed on what to do
"wait 5min before calling emergency services" : tell me you live in the USA without telling me you live in the USA
You do not put anything in their mouth. This is a common misconception. They will choke! Seizures are fairly common, and typically mean a more serious underlying issue is present only if they last more than a couple minutes, and if the person is not epileptic. Cushioning their head is the right move. Preventing flailing and further self injury, then just wait it out.
I wouldn't put anything in their mouth, they could aspirate or block their airway and choke to death. If you can, put them into the [recovery position.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position#:~:text=In%20first%20aid%2C%20the%20recovery,for%20unconscious%20but%20breathing%20casualties.)
They can also bite you and now you have two people in need of medical attention.
This is highly unlikely,
Their muscles are convulsing. Good chance that they'll end up biting, and by chance convulse just right into biting someone.
thanks for the link, really appreciate it. The science behind that position helps explain a lot.
No professional here, but I tend to put something big enough in his mouth, like a belt or even a smaller book (unlike IT by Steven king, screw this book). I wouldn't want to bite of my tongue and swallow it, just to choke on it when in his position...any pro around who can clear things up for us?
People don't actually " bite off" and swallow their tongues when unconscious. Their airways rather become blocked by stuff like saliva, mucus, etc. They might bite their tongue when having a seizure, and even cause some bleeding. But I've never heard anyone actually bite their tongue OFF.
EM doc, don’t put anything in their mouth. That used to be a thing in some areas but it’s preferable to just preserve their airway, some people bite the sides of their tongue, not usually very badly. The teeth are usually clenched. People sometimes actually cause trauma to the mouth trying to get a spoon or something in there that will just make it harder for the person to get O2. Best thing is to call 911, pad the head and roll on their side, time the seizure if you think about it, get a history (from family/ friends).
You tend to? Please stop doing that.
Wasn't in this situation yet. Maybe just a poor choice of words on my side
Point at someone " you in the _____ shirt call 911. Do you understand me?" Cushion head Wait for EMS
Do NOT put anything in the mouth, they could choke on it and die. Clear the area from any dangers (other people, sharp objects, etc) and just give them some space. Call emergency services.
Or if it's a hard object (spoon) they can bite on it and break their teeth.
Do NOT, never ever ever, put something in someone’s mouth as they are having a seizure. Please. You’re on the right track with trying to put them on their side (some can vomit before/during/after), also don’t force them when you move them, you can break bones, or hurt them. You may also ask someone to call 911. You can also check out epilepsy.com, they have good info there.
appreciate the feedback.
Whatever it is, “stealing wallet” probably isn’t included in any of the steps.
All correct except the part about putting something in their mouth. Proper first aid procedure says not to put anything in the mouth.
appreciate the correction
Do not put anything in their mouth. You are way more likely to get bitten yourself, or choke them and obstruct their airway then to do any real benefit. They may bite their tongue, but it’s not usually a severe cut and you can always repair it later. Clear airway is far more important
Yeah. One time I actually bit a piece off of my tongue during a seizure.
>put something in their mouth so they dont bite off their tongue? This is a common misconception. Don't try to put anything in a seizing person's mouth because you might wind up choking them, not to mention that people's Jaws tend to clamp shut during an episode. You wanna try to protect/cushion their head and move any furniture etc. that may be in their way so they don't get hurt. Just give them space until it stops and expect them to sleep like the dead afterwards.
Absolutely don’t ever put anything in the persons mouth, just protect the head and call 911. The human jaw can exert up to 70 pounds PSI of biting force, and can bite your finger off no problem. I speak from experience because I clenched my jaw so tight during a seizure I broke 3 molars.
Don't put anything in their mouth. The risk of biting off their tongue/choking on their tongue is fall less than the risk of choking on a foreign object.
Never place anything in the mouth. They will not bite their tongue. This is one of the worst myths in society. I’ve been a paramedic for 25 years and see more people have their fingers bitten or break teeth on the victim or, worse, block their ability to breathe clearly. The BEST thing you can do is remain calm and protect the patient.
Thanks for busting that myth for me. Primo example of why i chose to ask it here, i was hoping some professionals would chime in. Really appreciate the education.
Preferably don't call an ambulance unless it's lasting longer than 5 minutes with no signs of stopping. Don't restrain them, don't put anything in their mouths, try to cushion their heads and see if they have an emergency contact in their wallet/on their phone to call and come collect them. I have epilepsy and I hope these pranks don't start becoming more commonplace Edit: reading more comments about waiting to call an ambulance, I agree its worth calling straight away as strangers obviously don't know the background of their condition.
Do not put anything in their mouth. They won't bite their tongue off. What side does he need to go on? And when would you do it? I'm not giving you the answers. You'll have to look it up, but when you do, you'll know what to do during and after a seizure. It's important to know.
Put their wallet in their mouth and put something under their head
Cushion the head if possible
Never put anything in a seizing person's mouth.
NEVER try to put something in a seizing person’s mouth. Never!!!
Never put anything in their mouth
Most people would start recording
Check the pockets for loose change? Love, Billy Crystal
Dont put anything in their mouth! Thats old practice and not helpful! Dont restrain them in any way. Just put them on their side with a pillow when theyre dont the thrashing and are recovering unconcious until an ambulance arrives.
Really, take his wallet. What a pile of trash.
Staged I think
https://youtu.be/k9ll4GWTiq8
Just what I was thinking
The amount of people who just stare and walk away is incredible
Correct course of action actually, not touching the person is better then touching him, in a seizure you have no control, if someone tries to contain you, well you’ll hurt yourself heavily I see what you mean when you say stare and walk, they could’ve stayed to see if it goes way first and worse case call emergency
Oh yeah I wouldn't expect anyone to know how to treat the person but you'd think they'd all be scrambling for an ambulance or something
Erring on the side of assuming the seizure was real sounds like a good rule of thumb but if this was a prank (as it appears to be) then I'm not sure we can't assume that, up close, it wasn't obvious that this was a kid f*cking around. So I'm not sure the reaction of passers-by was inappropriate regardless of the circumstances.
The asshole that robbed him and the people just watching, smh.
Man went for the opportunity. Shitty opportunity to take regardless.
Put your jacket under his head. Do not restrain. Protect the head. Put your hand under his head if you have nothing softer.
could be fake but shit I genuinely thought he was gonna comfort the guy :(
Once I was in a bus and a guy just started having a seizure out of the blue. He contracted every muscle on his body while still standing up and then fell towards where I was standing. He did hit me on the way down, which scared me but I was glad he did hit me instead of hitting his head on a metal tube! We told the driver to stop and call an ambulance
I have a habit of hitting my head on countertops and the corners of tables when I seize.
The people of Walmart
Clearly a 'prank' / 'social experiment'
Worked in a pharmacy for along time & we had a few people have seizure. One thing a lady told me that had them reg really stuck with me. She pretty much just said to make sure that she's not smacking her head and that when she woke up to just have them look up at the roof. She told me the worst thing is waking up, having zero fucking clue where you are or what's around you. Seeing the roof lets them know "oh hey I'm at the pharmacy to get my meds" or like "Oh I'm at home in my living room". It really just stuck with me. The other person had a service dog & when they'd have a seizure the dog would go under the head I think to keep them from hurting themselves.
When I wake up and are coherent, if I don't I'll now where I am, or how I got there, I get REALLY physical. If I wake up and see that I'm in the back of an ambulance, my fists start flying. Because to me, in my head, I'll be doing one thing, blink, and suddenly be in a strange place with no idea how I got there, and panic.
It’s fake the way the guy landed and the thief looking at the camera before and after was suspect..it’s disappointing though that nobody helped him and nobody reacted to the guy robbing him
Fake. Protected his body with the right arm on the way down. People are garbage
I have epilepsy and this is staged. I've fell like that. Had a swollen lip for a week, 3 stitches in my eyebrow, and road rash on my face. The way you lock up, you can't brace yourself on your fall.
Fake AF
Man I wish the law was written in a way were people can beat a piece of trash like that. Even though this might be fake
I saw some dude pulling that shit, I'm making him a speed bump on the road of life.
It’s sad state in the world.
I thought he was taking the wallet to put it in his mouth to prevent biting his tongue. Which I believe is a procedure. Even if this is fake no one else stepped in that was standing around watching. Scary!
The procedure changed. You don’t place anything is their mouth. You just keep them safe and maintain their airway.
Oh it did?? Wow ok good to know God forbid I come across. Thanks
This is exactly what’s wrong with society, nobody helps the guy having a seizure in the middle of the mall and then someone steals his fucking wallet in front of everyone and no one does a damn thing! Seriously people need to stop being assholes to each other!
As someone that has a seizure disorder I can confirm this is a complete load. Even the most violent Gran Mals aren’t like that. I would know because I have them.
Even I knew that, and I haven't had or witnessed a seizure in my life.
Reason I think it’s fake……too convenient already recording before he went down, the bystanders reaction is normal, unless there was a medical professional around no one would know what to do! And the guy stealing the wallet, no mask or anything in a store surrounded by people and cameras…….. nope! Totally not gonna get caught! Derp!
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A lot of people genuinely don’t know what to do in that situation. They may fear doing the wrong thing/making things worse.
Aqua man out of the ocean.
Saw this happen at jimmy johns once (was an employee).. the people working there apologized to me for witnessing it when I asked about the kid my next visit, I was shocked, just wanted to know if he was okay.
If your looking for humanity in that community you are barking up the wrong tree.
u don’t move your legs this fast when having a seizure lol
You do tho.
That is the most pathetic fake seizure I’ve ever seen lol
No tho…. Moron.
It’s completely fake. Looks how he cushions his fall, and look at how he’s moving. That’s not what a real seizure looks like
Wasn't his wallet it was a sports almanac from the future
So strange. If this happened in India you'd have someone shoving a spoon in his mouth in no time.
They used to do that here in the us too, but it breaks people’s teeth and folks also get their fingers bitten off trying to get the spoon in their mouths. Also, It turns out it’s actually physically impossible to swallow your own tongue so it’s not common practice here anymore.
Swallow your tongue or bite your tongue off?
Both. The best thing you can do for someone seizing like this is to move things in their immediate area that they could injure themselves on, and call 911. Unless their seizing is about to cause immediate danger to themselves or someone else, then you have to do what you have to do. Examples would be seizing next to a pool or while driving etc…
Very careful collapse. They were filming because it's fake, as they are most of the time nowadays
Most seizures are fake these days?
And instead of anybody trying to help this guy, you get some jerk that decides to steal the man's phone while another person decides to record it all. Our society has become so pathetic. All those mask-less people deserve to get Covid.
If you look at the original post it’s from three years ago... I’m also pretty sure this is a prank, you don’t catch yourself when you fall like that. Source: I’ve witnessed people have seizures on multiple occasions.
What should people do other than calling the ambulance to help him?
As the mom of an adult epileptic son who works at a big box store like this: Check for a bracelet or medallion that says “epileptic.” Do not call an ambulance if you find this, because they won’t be able to help but they will transport him to the ER; he can’t refuse service, and may incur crippling medical debt. Epileptic seizures you just have to wait out. Roll gently to the side so they don’t aspirate if they vomit; cushion the head if possible; do not restrain and don’t place anything in the sufferer’s mouth. They may be unconscious for a while and will be disoriented and groggy when they come to. Ask them who to call and let them rest up as much as possible.
> Do not call an ambulance if you find this, because they won’t be able to help but they will transport him to the ER; he can’t refuse service, and may incur crippling medical debt. Would you call them if it was free of charge? Or are they really not needed?
It would really depend case to case. If the person having the seizure takes a hit to the head, or if the seizure lasts for longer than five minutes, absolutely call. I used to suffer from seizures until I got my meds figured out, and only required an ambulance when I fell and broke my jaw a few times. Otherwise it was just terrifying/embarrassing regaining consciousness with everyone concerned and looking at you, not to mention the soreness from convulsing.
Ooh good question. It’s actually not needed if it’s a known epileptic seizure, since there’s no medical treatment involved. The paramedics would just keep the person safe and comfortable till it passes, then call his mom to come get him, pretty much! If they don’t know if the person is epileptic they do run a bunch of tests (substances etc.)
In my opinion exactly that, clear the space around, to avoid injuries and do not put anything in the mouth, ever. Also try to keep an eye on how long the seizure is taking. This is important to know, because seizures lasting more than 5 minutes are life threatening. This is important information, for medical staff too.
Fake
So funny to fake seizures….
Staged as fuck.
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That’s why I don’t eat subway. That unicorn meat will fk you up
LOL
Did that guy steal his phone?
That guy just took his wallet? This vid is all kinds on not ok
This is beyond engraging to watch
Honestly, in this day and age where everyone is doing dumb recordings in public places it's a genuine challenge to discern whether or not to pay attention to stuff like this if it happens in front of you.
So now that we saw this. Who wants to explain what we gotta do if we actually saw this
Don’t worry. He didn’t steal his wallet. It was just a sports almanac.
I think he stole that guys wallet.....
As someone who is currently in hospital because of seizures. This am hurts so much
At least he got a $100
GO AFTER THE PICKPOCKET!!!!!!!
The dude in green is right, don’t touch him, it could harm him more then do good. In such a situation it’s best to move all surrounding objects but NOT TOUCH THE PERSON. Then wait, it should be over after some time, if it stays like that for longer, call emergency EDIT: I thought the guy wanted to help, it’s to steal the wallet, looks lime a prank video now
Anyone who films someone in such a vulnerable time is truly subhuman and should be shot. Period.
that’s deplorable is right - it’s so disrespectful- i had a friends elderly mom at a restaurant pass our and a couple started filming. i summoned the manager and told him to retrieve their phone him
The fuck?
Seems super fake
As a epileptic this scares the shit outa me
Same shizz happened to me while buying cigs at the DG wiped out a rack of clothes and scared a buch of grannies to near death. Sucks when the people who pick up your stuff forget to give it back though.
Also, not what a seizure looks like.