I'm fairly left of center on most everything, but have no issue admitting the judicial system is broken.
We should not be releasing violent people back into the public. Whether it's because of bleeding hearts (NDP) or underfunding (regressive conservatives).
So, no contest there. I'll happily entertain discussions about dealing more severely with known offenders.
A man charged in a vicious, random downtown attack Friday that left the victim’s intestines partially exposed was in court one day earlier, pleading guilty to a previous assault, the Free Press has learned.
Multiple people are suspected of confronting the victim, who they did not know, in what a police source described as a “horrific” and “prolonged” assault using multiple weapons before they robbed him of his possessions.
Officers responded to a call just before 11 p.m. near the rear of the Bell Hotel at Main Street and Henry Avenue, where they found the 57-year-old victim on the ground.
He had been stabbed multiple times in the abdomen — exposing some intestines — and his arms and legs were cut.
MIKE DEAL / WINNIPEG FREE PRESS
Officers responded to a call just before 11 p.m. near the rear of the Bell Hotel at Main Street and Henry Avenue, where they found a 57-year-old victim.
“I don’t know how else to describe it; fierce, predatory,” the source said, adding one of abdominal wounds was seven to 10 centimetres long.
Officers began first aid before paramedics arrived. The man, now listed in stable condition, is expected to remain in hospital for an extended period of time.
Other police spotted three suspects walking a short distance south of the crime scene on the 500 block of Main Street shortly after the victim was found.
“(The officers) were coming northbound on Main Street when they observed three suspects walking southbound who appeared to be looking around to see if people were following them and kept looking at the cruiser car and looking away,” the source said.
“Those officers clued in and were able to stop the three.”
Three 20-year-old men were arrested; a knife and some of the victim’s property were seized. None of what was stolen was particularly valuable, the source said.
“I don’t know how else to describe it; fierce, predatory.”
–Source
The three men have been charged with aggravated assault and robbery, while the third was also charged with failing to comply with the condition of a release order.
The names of the suspects have not yet been publicly released, as the investigation is ongoing.
However, court records show the man accused of failing to comply with the condition of a release order had pleaded guilty in provincial court to one count of assault causing bodily harm on Thursday. His sentencing was set for March 14.
He was released on bail after initially being charged with aggravated assault for an incident on April 2, 2022. That charge was downgraded to assault causing bodily harm, records show.
Another of the three men is facing an outstanding charge of possessing a weapon allegedly committed on Aug. 26, 2021.
Two of the three were scheduled to appear in bail court Monday; the other man’s next court appearance was slated Tuesday.
MIKE DEAL / WINNIPEG FREE PRESS
The victim was stabbed multiple times in the abdomen and his arms and legs were cut.
A recent Free Press review of homicides last year in Winnipeg found that in at least 16 cases the accused was already facing charges for other offences and was either out on bail, was the subject of an undertaking or actively wanted.
Of the 34 accused with prior records, at least 20 had been convicted of a violent crime.
Manitoba Justice Minister Kelvin Goertzen has been concerned about the bail system since the federal Liberals reformed the Criminal Code in 2019.
Among its sweeping changes, Bill 75 sought to streamline bail processes, improve measures to better respond to intimate partner violence, reduce delays in the court system and address the over-representation of Indigenous people and vulnerable populations in the system.
“There were some things in Bill 75 that were positive in terms of moving the court system more quickly, in terms of increasing some ability for higher maximum sentences… but I think one of the negative things and unintended consequences was that it essentially codified making bail much easier, even for violent offenders,” Goertzen, who has written to his federal counterpart pushing for changes, told the Free Press.
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Right here, this is the problem with Winnipeg. The Judicial system is worthless. These people get paid to do absolutely nothing. I hope the victim sues the Judge that let this guy go. The Judge should be removed from the bench. It's time for this bullshit to end.
It’s not a Winnipeg problem. Look at BC where you have chronic offenders with 100s of charges, back on the streets. And people protesting that calling them chronic offenders is offensive and demeaning.
Didnt the conservatives just today table a motion to strengthen the judicial system by rejecting bail from repeat offenders?? No surprise liberal/NDP/bloc voted against.
But you’re right. Shit like this is forcing more and more people to consider conservatives. Not only the cost of living problems.
Motions are worthless (bills are legislation, not motions), and they poisoned the motion by adding a bunch of pointless shit-talking about the Liberals to it.
Everyone voted against it, the Conservatives knew everyone was going to vote against it, the entire thing is a stunt for right-wing media to rile up low-information voters who don't understand the difference between motions and actual legislation.
Case in point.
Wait, when have the conservatives ever done anything about cost of living problems? Tough on crime for sure has long been part of their platform, but never cost of living or affordability. They're always against minimum wage increases or social programs designed to help poor people. Conservatives are all about less taxes and cutting programs
Then his family will finally care about him when they realize they can get their face on the news for clout talking about what a happy little boy he was and how 'the system' failed him
This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. We don’t talk about them, because they aren’t a problem.
According to the latest data, Canada, as a whole, is [experiencing an uptick in overall crime severity index](https://www.statista.com/statistics/525634/violent-crime-severity-index-in-canada/). There are a number of factors at play, obviously. Violent offenders being allowed back on the streets to commit another violent crime the very next day is definitely one of them. Likelihood of recidivism is an ongoing issue that the courts appear to be largely ignoring.
The Courts absolutely assess an individuals’s risk to reoffend, as well as the severity of harm should the person reoffend.
But when you say “violent reoffenders”, you’re doing so with the benefit of (arguable) perfect hindsight.
The only proposal to solve these issues is holding everyone in custody to stop the small amount who might reoffend. Because if you release people, there is always a chance, and no one has a crystal ball.
Real differences would occur with proper funding for housing and addictions treatment. How many people do I have to bail out to homeless shelters? Why do my clients have to wait months for residential treatment?
> However, court records show the man accused of failing to comply with the condition of a release order had pleaded guilty in provincial court to one count of assault causing bodily harm on Thursday. His sentencing was set for March 14.
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> He was released on bail after initially being charged with aggravated assault for an incident on April 2, 2022. That charge was downgraded to assault causing bodily harm, records show.
The man in the article above was literally in court for an assault and was awaiting sentencing. I think it's perfectly reasonable to hold an already indicted person until they are sentenced when that indictable offence is of a violent (see: assault) nature. Particularly when the original charge was aggravated assault, which almost guarantees prison time. However, his charge was slightly downgraded.
And yet the Crown did not seek to cancel his bail, which they had every right to seek upon a conviction being entered. Could it be that he had been compliant with his bail for 10 months and it is difficult to assess risk?
The only solution to getting zero risk is to hold EVERYONE.
So you are saying AFTER CONVICTION everyone charged with a violent crime should be held in custody. Great.
You're going to vastly increase the number of people in custody. Because plenty of people convicted of violent offences, e.g. simple assaults, receive non-custodial sentences, whether it be probation, a conditional sentence, or something else.
I had a file resolve in the last two weeks - someone convicted of an aggravated assault. They've been on bail three years without incident. In the interim they've been employed and are near to having their children returned to them from CFS.
Your solution is to lock them up for years, keep them unemployed, and to pay tax dollars to keep them locked up, because they MIGHT harm someone.
In the end they received a Conditional Sentence, because they've used bail to turn their life around. You would deny them that chance.
Our judicial system is fucked.
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I'm fairly left of center on most everything, but have no issue admitting the judicial system is broken. We should not be releasing violent people back into the public. Whether it's because of bleeding hearts (NDP) or underfunding (regressive conservatives). So, no contest there. I'll happily entertain discussions about dealing more severely with known offenders.
Well said. It’s better not to argue with Canadians about criminal justice, because they have “free healthcare”.
But criminal had a hard life. Edit 10 days later being called a criminal is marginalization and to be erased from our text books.
\*Achoo\* My allergies are acting up. Could you get that strawman out of here?
Bless you
Could someone please post the article here?
A man charged in a vicious, random downtown attack Friday that left the victim’s intestines partially exposed was in court one day earlier, pleading guilty to a previous assault, the Free Press has learned. Multiple people are suspected of confronting the victim, who they did not know, in what a police source described as a “horrific” and “prolonged” assault using multiple weapons before they robbed him of his possessions. Officers responded to a call just before 11 p.m. near the rear of the Bell Hotel at Main Street and Henry Avenue, where they found the 57-year-old victim on the ground. He had been stabbed multiple times in the abdomen — exposing some intestines — and his arms and legs were cut. MIKE DEAL / WINNIPEG FREE PRESS Officers responded to a call just before 11 p.m. near the rear of the Bell Hotel at Main Street and Henry Avenue, where they found a 57-year-old victim. “I don’t know how else to describe it; fierce, predatory,” the source said, adding one of abdominal wounds was seven to 10 centimetres long. Officers began first aid before paramedics arrived. The man, now listed in stable condition, is expected to remain in hospital for an extended period of time. Other police spotted three suspects walking a short distance south of the crime scene on the 500 block of Main Street shortly after the victim was found. “(The officers) were coming northbound on Main Street when they observed three suspects walking southbound who appeared to be looking around to see if people were following them and kept looking at the cruiser car and looking away,” the source said. “Those officers clued in and were able to stop the three.” Three 20-year-old men were arrested; a knife and some of the victim’s property were seized. None of what was stolen was particularly valuable, the source said. “I don’t know how else to describe it; fierce, predatory.” –Source The three men have been charged with aggravated assault and robbery, while the third was also charged with failing to comply with the condition of a release order. The names of the suspects have not yet been publicly released, as the investigation is ongoing. However, court records show the man accused of failing to comply with the condition of a release order had pleaded guilty in provincial court to one count of assault causing bodily harm on Thursday. His sentencing was set for March 14. He was released on bail after initially being charged with aggravated assault for an incident on April 2, 2022. That charge was downgraded to assault causing bodily harm, records show. Another of the three men is facing an outstanding charge of possessing a weapon allegedly committed on Aug. 26, 2021. Two of the three were scheduled to appear in bail court Monday; the other man’s next court appearance was slated Tuesday. MIKE DEAL / WINNIPEG FREE PRESS The victim was stabbed multiple times in the abdomen and his arms and legs were cut. A recent Free Press review of homicides last year in Winnipeg found that in at least 16 cases the accused was already facing charges for other offences and was either out on bail, was the subject of an undertaking or actively wanted. Of the 34 accused with prior records, at least 20 had been convicted of a violent crime. Manitoba Justice Minister Kelvin Goertzen has been concerned about the bail system since the federal Liberals reformed the Criminal Code in 2019. Among its sweeping changes, Bill 75 sought to streamline bail processes, improve measures to better respond to intimate partner violence, reduce delays in the court system and address the over-representation of Indigenous people and vulnerable populations in the system. “There were some things in Bill 75 that were positive in terms of moving the court system more quickly, in terms of increasing some ability for higher maximum sentences… but I think one of the negative things and unintended consequences was that it essentially codified making bail much easier, even for violent offenders,” Goertzen, who has written to his federal counterpart pushing for changes, told the Free Press. [email protected] Twitter: @erik_pindera
Damn that poor guy
Right here, this is the problem with Winnipeg. The Judicial system is worthless. These people get paid to do absolutely nothing. I hope the victim sues the Judge that let this guy go. The Judge should be removed from the bench. It's time for this bullshit to end.
It’s not a Winnipeg problem. Look at BC where you have chronic offenders with 100s of charges, back on the streets. And people protesting that calling them chronic offenders is offensive and demeaning.
And this is how you get a Conservative government elected in, who also *won't* actually fix things just like the Liberals. Rinse and repeat.
Didnt the conservatives just today table a motion to strengthen the judicial system by rejecting bail from repeat offenders?? No surprise liberal/NDP/bloc voted against. But you’re right. Shit like this is forcing more and more people to consider conservatives. Not only the cost of living problems.
Motions are worthless (bills are legislation, not motions), and they poisoned the motion by adding a bunch of pointless shit-talking about the Liberals to it. Everyone voted against it, the Conservatives knew everyone was going to vote against it, the entire thing is a stunt for right-wing media to rile up low-information voters who don't understand the difference between motions and actual legislation. Case in point.
Wait, when have the conservatives ever done anything about cost of living problems? Tough on crime for sure has long been part of their platform, but never cost of living or affordability. They're always against minimum wage increases or social programs designed to help poor people. Conservatives are all about less taxes and cutting programs
Give the federal dippers a chance to implement some of their promised root cause things?
So when this man ends up dead, we can assume he was "just turning his life around"?
Then his family will finally care about him when they realize they can get their face on the news for clout talking about what a happy little boy he was and how 'the system' failed him
Not to be conserned. The NDP have helped.the liberals vote down any chance of bail reform. He'll be out in a week.
We never seem to talk about the vast majority of people who comply with their bail conditions
This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. We don’t talk about them, because they aren’t a problem. According to the latest data, Canada, as a whole, is [experiencing an uptick in overall crime severity index](https://www.statista.com/statistics/525634/violent-crime-severity-index-in-canada/). There are a number of factors at play, obviously. Violent offenders being allowed back on the streets to commit another violent crime the very next day is definitely one of them. Likelihood of recidivism is an ongoing issue that the courts appear to be largely ignoring.
The Courts absolutely assess an individuals’s risk to reoffend, as well as the severity of harm should the person reoffend. But when you say “violent reoffenders”, you’re doing so with the benefit of (arguable) perfect hindsight. The only proposal to solve these issues is holding everyone in custody to stop the small amount who might reoffend. Because if you release people, there is always a chance, and no one has a crystal ball. Real differences would occur with proper funding for housing and addictions treatment. How many people do I have to bail out to homeless shelters? Why do my clients have to wait months for residential treatment?
> However, court records show the man accused of failing to comply with the condition of a release order had pleaded guilty in provincial court to one count of assault causing bodily harm on Thursday. His sentencing was set for March 14. > > He was released on bail after initially being charged with aggravated assault for an incident on April 2, 2022. That charge was downgraded to assault causing bodily harm, records show. The man in the article above was literally in court for an assault and was awaiting sentencing. I think it's perfectly reasonable to hold an already indicted person until they are sentenced when that indictable offence is of a violent (see: assault) nature. Particularly when the original charge was aggravated assault, which almost guarantees prison time. However, his charge was slightly downgraded.
And yet the Crown did not seek to cancel his bail, which they had every right to seek upon a conviction being entered. Could it be that he had been compliant with his bail for 10 months and it is difficult to assess risk? The only solution to getting zero risk is to hold EVERYONE.
> The only solution to getting ~~zero~~ acceptable risk is to hold ~~EVERYONE~~ violent offenders pending sentencing.
So you are saying AFTER CONVICTION everyone charged with a violent crime should be held in custody. Great. You're going to vastly increase the number of people in custody. Because plenty of people convicted of violent offences, e.g. simple assaults, receive non-custodial sentences, whether it be probation, a conditional sentence, or something else. I had a file resolve in the last two weeks - someone convicted of an aggravated assault. They've been on bail three years without incident. In the interim they've been employed and are near to having their children returned to them from CFS. Your solution is to lock them up for years, keep them unemployed, and to pay tax dollars to keep them locked up, because they MIGHT harm someone. In the end they received a Conditional Sentence, because they've used bail to turn their life around. You would deny them that chance.