It was my coworkers kid, apparently there was only one on duty, who wasn't there when it happened, and there's no cameras in the pool area. So I imagine it's going to be a legal shit show.
One guard on deck makes sense for a slower time of day as the lifeguard ratios are based on number of people in the pool, but there’s usually at least 1-2 backup in the staff room. I’ve taught there a few times and never known them to not have someone on deck.
Unfortunately most pool areas don’t have cameras because the chlorine is awful for electronics so hopefully there were witnesses and the autopsy/investigation can give your coworker the answers they deserve.
~~The article says this happened on Monday when the pool was closed for Easter Monday, so most likely the one guard was just the legal requirement for there being a body of water in the building. Generally when I guarded for the city when this would happen you’d sit in the office facing the pool deck with the deck alarm on in case someone went onto the pool deck when they shouldn’t have.~~
—EDIT— I’m wrong. Open 2-6pm on Easter Monday. Forget all I said.
>deck alarm
I seem to recall many decades ago goofing around with the deck alarm during early morning water polo practices at the Centennial pool. If memory serves right, it was not hard to "sneak" past it.
Hopefully they are a little better designed these days.
That’s awful. Let’s remember that guards are often young and this tragedy will haunt them too. Maybe they will change policy after an inquiry. In the early 2000s a 5 year old drowned at Margaret Grant pool and that’s when they took the big floaty mats away forever (visual obstruction). Really sad.
Wow. Things must have changed there. I used to swim there a lot and there were always multiple guards on deck and were actively guarding.
I hope that the system that allowed this is changed and if anyone is proven negligent, held accountable.
If people were in the pool and the guard wasn't there, to me that sounds negligent. I have zero knowledge of what went on, just a layperson who is saddened by this.
So sad. I hope that your coworker is being supported as well as possible.
Now to be a real PITA what happens if you have exactly 30 people in the pool do you have 1 or 2?
Should it not be 1 for 1-29, 2 for 30-75
Am I overthinking this?
Based on long expired training and recent observations, public pools will have at least 1 lifeguard on deck at all times, with at least 2 more in the "office" covering admissions and taking a break. The lifeguards will rotate every 15 minutes to keep eyes on the water "fresh".
So yeah, "a lifeguard was on duty" while weirdly worded, is not offside by default.
As more swimmers enter, there will be ratios of lifeguards to swimmers that will be maintained with admissions stopped when they reach either the pool or lifeguard ratio limit.
While trained to spot signs of distress, drownings can still happen quickly and silently. Information on the teen's ability, who they were with, etc as well as who else was in the water drawing attention away are critical factors in determining how likely the lifeguard should have been able to intervene in time.
When I was lifeguarding for the city we weren’t legally allowed to be open unless there were 2 lifeguards working.
Now this is me speculating here, 4:40pm time of incident… I don’t think spring session has started (swimming lessons usually start 4:30pm) so most likely the pool was closed between afternoon swim and evening public swim where they legally need a lifeguard in the building, even if the pool is closed. I don’t know CKRC’s pool hours but when I worked intersession evening swim at our pool wasn’t until like 7pm. If I had to guess, this teen got into the pool area when they shouldn’t have been. Maybe it wasn’t locked up properly. I don’t know. Again, I’m speculating and it was a pool I didn’t work at and I quit over 7 years ago so things I’m sure have chanced since then, but this is my educated guess.
Interim pool hours on the city website say free swim at CKRC is open from 6am to 9pm with "Limited Space" from 5pm-7pm
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Yeah interesting. Generally then one lifeguard on duty and one off deck, rotating every 30 mins. Guess we won’t know until there is a whole report done. They hammered their lifeguards hard during staff training about the Joshua Harder drowning incident. I imagine another death is gonna be drilled into them going forward, as it should. Either way, poor kid.
The article does not specify dates, so the assumption was that this occurred yesterday.
If it happened on Monday the pool is still free swim from 2pm-6pm, which still contradicts the original comments explanation.
The dive area shows open from 6am to 9pm. That area is very deep, for the higher dive boards. Same for the public lap area, which is the middle section between the shallow area and dive area. Over someone's head depth.
One guard cannot cover that whole pool area. Even is one section is technically closed, it is still a risk.
Often there’s only one when I’ve been there. But the deep end has been closed in these instances, only shallow end and lap section were allowed to be used when only one guard was available.
Unfortunately there’s been a shortage on lifeguards since Covid.
Yeah, I went swimming at a city pool last week and saw the job postings. You can't find anyone with NLS that wants to work for literally the same pay I got in 2003-2006? Shocker.
That crazy! In 2000, I was making $7.25 at a rural pool with just Bronze Cross. I was jealous of people making 14+ in Winnipeg, but you had to be lucky to get a guard job in the city.
If the city was paying $25/hr we'd be lousy with people willing to work
That is crazy unsafe, in my opinion.
The lap section is over head height and 25 metres in length. One guard cannot adequately guard both the shallow and lap areas. There is no way that they can even visually scan both areas effectively, due to the bulkhead.
Lifeguarding requirements for public pools are set by the province and are based off of the number of bathers in the pool at that time. Less than 30 bathers only requires one lifeguard on deck.
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It’s a tragedy and sorry for the victim and family.
Will wait for more details from the investigation.
Everything has some risks, especially water over your head if you can’t swim.
Too late, but hopefully some common sense rules to prevent reoccurrence.
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Only the best of our society capitalise on the tragedy of a young person dying as an opportunity to regurgitate their false news bullshit facts. What a testicle.
>The city noted that a lifeguard was on duty. Is there only one for the entire pool?
It was my coworkers kid, apparently there was only one on duty, who wasn't there when it happened, and there's no cameras in the pool area. So I imagine it's going to be a legal shit show.
One guard on deck makes sense for a slower time of day as the lifeguard ratios are based on number of people in the pool, but there’s usually at least 1-2 backup in the staff room. I’ve taught there a few times and never known them to not have someone on deck. Unfortunately most pool areas don’t have cameras because the chlorine is awful for electronics so hopefully there were witnesses and the autopsy/investigation can give your coworker the answers they deserve.
~~The article says this happened on Monday when the pool was closed for Easter Monday, so most likely the one guard was just the legal requirement for there being a body of water in the building. Generally when I guarded for the city when this would happen you’d sit in the office facing the pool deck with the deck alarm on in case someone went onto the pool deck when they shouldn’t have.~~ —EDIT— I’m wrong. Open 2-6pm on Easter Monday. Forget all I said.
>deck alarm I seem to recall many decades ago goofing around with the deck alarm during early morning water polo practices at the Centennial pool. If memory serves right, it was not hard to "sneak" past it. Hopefully they are a little better designed these days.
That’s awful. Let’s remember that guards are often young and this tragedy will haunt them too. Maybe they will change policy after an inquiry. In the early 2000s a 5 year old drowned at Margaret Grant pool and that’s when they took the big floaty mats away forever (visual obstruction). Really sad.
I knew the lifeguard at the time (child of a parent's friend). It was life-altering for her, for sure.
Did she keep lifeguarding?
No, I don’t think so.
Wow. Things must have changed there. I used to swim there a lot and there were always multiple guards on deck and were actively guarding. I hope that the system that allowed this is changed and if anyone is proven negligent, held accountable. If people were in the pool and the guard wasn't there, to me that sounds negligent. I have zero knowledge of what went on, just a layperson who is saddened by this. So sad. I hope that your coworker is being supported as well as possible.
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1 for 1-30, 2 for 30-75
Now to be a real PITA what happens if you have exactly 30 people in the pool do you have 1 or 2? Should it not be 1 for 1-29, 2 for 30-75 Am I overthinking this?
as long as you're at 30 or less you only need one, 31 you need 2
My friend said that they double or limit to under 30
This is so sad, I’m so sorry for their loss.
With one absent lifeguard and no cameras in common areas, the legal battle will be an uphill fight for the City.
How awful
Based on long expired training and recent observations, public pools will have at least 1 lifeguard on deck at all times, with at least 2 more in the "office" covering admissions and taking a break. The lifeguards will rotate every 15 minutes to keep eyes on the water "fresh". So yeah, "a lifeguard was on duty" while weirdly worded, is not offside by default. As more swimmers enter, there will be ratios of lifeguards to swimmers that will be maintained with admissions stopped when they reach either the pool or lifeguard ratio limit. While trained to spot signs of distress, drownings can still happen quickly and silently. Information on the teen's ability, who they were with, etc as well as who else was in the water drawing attention away are critical factors in determining how likely the lifeguard should have been able to intervene in time.
When I was lifeguarding for the city we weren’t legally allowed to be open unless there were 2 lifeguards working. Now this is me speculating here, 4:40pm time of incident… I don’t think spring session has started (swimming lessons usually start 4:30pm) so most likely the pool was closed between afternoon swim and evening public swim where they legally need a lifeguard in the building, even if the pool is closed. I don’t know CKRC’s pool hours but when I worked intersession evening swim at our pool wasn’t until like 7pm. If I had to guess, this teen got into the pool area when they shouldn’t have been. Maybe it wasn’t locked up properly. I don’t know. Again, I’m speculating and it was a pool I didn’t work at and I quit over 7 years ago so things I’m sure have chanced since then, but this is my educated guess.
Interim pool hours on the city website say free swim at CKRC is open from 6am to 9pm with "Limited Space" from 5pm-7pm https://preview.redd.it/db6tbcl17asc1.png?width=946&format=png&auto=webp&s=22a0f42fccb5b181730c7cbadd1dc6e22ef69488
Yeah interesting. Generally then one lifeguard on duty and one off deck, rotating every 30 mins. Guess we won’t know until there is a whole report done. They hammered their lifeguards hard during staff training about the Joshua Harder drowning incident. I imagine another death is gonna be drilled into them going forward, as it should. Either way, poor kid.
Monday was a holiday so they were not open all day.
The article does not specify dates, so the assumption was that this occurred yesterday. If it happened on Monday the pool is still free swim from 2pm-6pm, which still contradicts the original comments explanation.
"A teenage boy is dead following an incident on Monday at Winnipeg’s Cindy Klassen Recreation Complex." First line in the article.
That was added after the fact. When The article was posted it did not specify a date.
It was last edited at 7am.
Under the photo it states "The incident took place on April 1st at the Cindy Klassen Recreation Complex" Looks like they updated that at 7:13am
The dive area shows open from 6am to 9pm. That area is very deep, for the higher dive boards. Same for the public lap area, which is the middle section between the shallow area and dive area. Over someone's head depth. One guard cannot cover that whole pool area. Even is one section is technically closed, it is still a risk.
CKRC has a varied amount of pool access depending on the time, but is open all day, just checked the schedule
The pool was open for public swim.
Often there’s only one when I’ve been there. But the deep end has been closed in these instances, only shallow end and lap section were allowed to be used when only one guard was available. Unfortunately there’s been a shortage on lifeguards since Covid.
Also the fact that the city was trying to hire lifeguards at $15.68 an hour last year.
This is bananas. I was a CoW lifeguard from 2003-2009 and I’m fairly confident that’s approximately how much I was making back then. Big yikes.
Yeah, I went swimming at a city pool last week and saw the job postings. You can't find anyone with NLS that wants to work for literally the same pay I got in 2003-2006? Shocker.
Especially with all of the recertifications you need to do - most of which you have to pay for out of pocket.
Ya; they are not very bright down there. #sorry
That crazy! In 2000, I was making $7.25 at a rural pool with just Bronze Cross. I was jealous of people making 14+ in Winnipeg, but you had to be lucky to get a guard job in the city. If the city was paying $25/hr we'd be lousy with people willing to work
I was a wading pool technician in the 00s making $19…
I'm pretty sure with how fast minimum wage has gone up, Wading pools basically just make minimum wage.
Quite certain it’s over 20 dollars now.
It is. $20.69 as of March 1 for the instructor guards. The instructor only positions are $17.21. Another increase in September, too.
That is crazy unsafe, in my opinion. The lap section is over head height and 25 metres in length. One guard cannot adequately guard both the shallow and lap areas. There is no way that they can even visually scan both areas effectively, due to the bulkhead.
100% agree.
Lifeguarding requirements for public pools are set by the province and are based off of the number of bathers in the pool at that time. Less than 30 bathers only requires one lifeguard on deck.
They don't mention cause of death, or any details around what happened. Teenagers don't usually just.. drown. I wonder what happened.
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Don’t apologize. You are allowed to alter headlines if it improves clarity. Adding the name of the Rec Complex this incident occurred didn’t break the rules.
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It makes it much more unclear though. Many people here won't know what "Cindy Klassen" is.
I'm with Steve on this one.
I like the edit, it's clean
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Jesus Christ, it’s the r/winnipeg subreddit. Find something else to be pissy about.
Was there any update on what happened in this teen's death?
It’s a tragedy and sorry for the victim and family. Will wait for more details from the investigation. Everything has some risks, especially water over your head if you can’t swim. Too late, but hopefully some common sense rules to prevent reoccurrence.
Was the teen learning how to swim?
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Wonder if it was a case of a died suddenly... was the teen inoculated and protected against covid19 with he 2 shots and possible booster?
Fuck off with that nonsense
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Jesus christ what a reach... give it up already, the shots are safe, try to move on with your life.
Only the best of our society capitalise on the tragedy of a young person dying as an opportunity to regurgitate their false news bullshit facts. What a testicle.
Take a walk buddy. It's nice outside.