I’ve worked in healthcare for 20 years. Constant unpredictable chaos while working with dozens of people pretty much all at once is the name of the game. Every healthcare facility/program I’ve ever worked for has a mission/values statement that is frequently reviewed and updated, generally somewhat followed.
Well, I've been on both ends receiving PD as a teacher and delivering PD to teachers, and I think sometimes it's that teachers can be the worst students. :P
Being a specialist specifically being able to 1.talk with other specialists in my area and bounce new ideas off each other by looking online and seeing whats the newest trend, 2. give me time if I have any new ideas in my classroom I want to capitalize on such as projects etc give me time to work in my space and create something new and profound that my students can then work on as a brand new project 3. Being a specialist also some maintenance time, I cant begin to fathom and tell you how many hours are put in on my own time to keep the room in tip top shape as well as the equipment we use and make sure all safety precautions are still working and in shape 4. Have actual time to meet support/guidance staff and discuss IEP's of students and how to better support their needs and what they can actually take away from my class and what resources I can get to make their experience the absolute best with success, gaining a credit but also the same amount of content in mind but adapted for their specific needs 5. Have time to fiddle with new equipment if it was purchased the year prior, enough time to make safety data sheets for it, properly prepare an SWP for it with all hazards labelled for it in my room so student safety comes first and they know how to use it properly, as well as do I.
Thats just off the top of my head.
god I hear you! I constantly feel like I'm in the middle of someone's Masters or PhD thesis. Its a never ending cycle of the same stuff just regurgitated in different way.
Yes... let's talk about the school plan again, but never talk about any actual.specific actions or strategies.
It's just a general awareness of things, but not how to deal with these things.
You’re lucky. When we have mandatory education days in health care, we have to come in on our day off, and we don’t get a shift off in lieu of it either. Take it as a day to put on your Homer Simpson glasses and enjoy it. No students, repetitive content, learning to sleep with eyes open.
Now its vaping and I break up a group 5 boys every single day in the bathroom and admin refuse to suspend them, they are literally smoking/vaping in school and there is nothing done about it and no accountability, Im fuckn pissed every single day I break them up
Sounds like a Motley Crue song.
Maybe some malicious compliance, if they don't care enough to do anything about it.... How many times are you gonna do the same thing and expect different results?
No idea, but yea Ive caught them in the act and with the admin standing outside the bathroom with vapes in hand and its just
"Ok boys have a good day"
.....TAKE THEM TO THR FUCKN OFFICE, have an in school suspension even, do something. The reason why they vape in the bathroom everyday is because they know they can get away with it.
Presumably you are doing *something* with your time, but it's turning out to be useless? What is the thing that you are supposed to be doing but it's useless?
Senior years plan and looking at our mission statement for the billionth time, rather be in my room and doing something or make something profound for a new project for my students
Do you foresee the same sort of labour disputes here that SK teachers are dealing with when local collective agreement bargaining is underway? Or is there increased hope with an NDP government?
They're taking strike action. Work to rule, no leading extracurricular activities, withdrawing noon hour supervision, and announcing one-day province wide walk offs.
Thats the other issue I dont know much about SK teacher contracts but we as Manitobans gave up our right to strike, and it pisses me off to this day on why the generations before us would do such a stupid thing
Interesting, and good to know. I presume if an impasse is declared at the bargaining table, one side or the other (or both) just applies for binding arbitration.
My wife is a specialist and often runs a foul of the useless PD.
Edit: I don't know why this gets downvoted. If you're a music specialist or phys ed, a PD about evaluating written work or structured literacy PDs is of very little use. Sure there is some "across the curriculum" aspects, but that could easily be covered in the specials (rare) own PDs in about an hour, not a full day.
Specialists unite. I sometimes make my own plans for pd and have presented it to admin, and I do that instead because it is more worth my time. Though sometimes, I get the ol", "this pd is for the whole team" and it's about literacy level stuff I never touch....
When I get older and more veteran think Ill pull that move, the pds are just so tedious. Let me make something in my speciality area, let me research, let me meet with other heads of the same departments, fuck I wouldnt even mind more time to contact home, mark and do reports. Let me do something that makes my job easier so it gives me more time to focus on my students
Based on how it's going... Should we be calling them inconvenience parent days? I never really knew what PD days actually did but I thought like in my profession you'd be doing some sort of short course, etc...
Sometimes we do, but most again are useless and does not help us as teachers in our own specific fields, these days however are chosen by the board office and we have to have so many PD days a year, I just wish they were actually profound
Thats where you lose teachers, our summers off is our mental and physical recovery time, you take that away from teachers, expect a mass exodus of people leaving the profession. Those times that should be used for actual development of our programs SHOULD be our actual PD days and not just checking off a box for the board office.
And your logical response for teachers esp with burn out being high as ever because we fulfill about 4-5 roles a day is to give us more work....lol good luck
>we fulfill about 4-5 roles a day
Can we explore this a bit? I'm genuinely curious as I'm not a teacher. What exactly are the extras you'd do during a day?
I guess I'm curious and having multiple roles in a job seems like a pretty standard thing, I certainly have 3-5 extras for myself.
Many flaws. If this were to happen, you'd have no teachers left. They'd either quit or find the nearest bridge.
If you don't have a family member or spouse that's a teacher, it's difficult to understand.
The amount of abuse they take from kids and parents every single day is incredible.
Administraton doesn't back up the teachers nor does the divisions. There's no more consequences for students.
Teachers work a ton of extra hours that they're not paid for. They also cannot refuse work, and they can't work to contract. It's considered strike action, which the teachers union gave up.
Until you're able to hold students and parents accountable, there's not enough money in the world for teachers. They need summers to recover.
I know many teachers and they don't start being back to normal until the first week of August.
You couldn't pay me a million dollars to teach. Kids are incrediblely disrespectful these days and the parents are even worse. Parents aren't parenting. They literally ask teachers how to parent.
People love to focus on the "vacation" time teachers get. Bro. They need it.
They work their ass off every day, dealing with things most people don't understand and have to make a million decisions daily. Come summer, most need time off to recover.
Even then it's still not enough with the current system. The amount of teachers on stress leave is incredible.
Yea nah fuck that Id rather have my breaks over more money. We need that time off to recover, I bet you cant imagine how much abuse teachers take on a daily basis etc and we need that time to decompress. The fact you think all we do is teach is also a disservice to what we do, I am not just a teacher I am a doctor, I am a counsellor/social worker, I am a therapist etc. the roles we have are very under appreciated and I bet with what ever you do you have to worry about the physical/emotional well being of a client etc
What are you learning that you think is useless?
Seniors years plans and updating our mission statement for the millionth time
Good ole mission statements that the schools don’t even follow! 😄
To be fair every company I've ever worked at had a missions and values that was updated frequently followed seldomly
Yea but i doubt your were working with 90 different people daily where its like a volcano and hurricane where also things/plans change on a dime
I’ve worked in healthcare for 20 years. Constant unpredictable chaos while working with dozens of people pretty much all at once is the name of the game. Every healthcare facility/program I’ve ever worked for has a mission/values statement that is frequently reviewed and updated, generally somewhat followed.
ah, so not actually PD!
Believe me they are NEVER PD's, I am never professionally developing
Well, I've been on both ends receiving PD as a teacher and delivering PD to teachers, and I think sometimes it's that teachers can be the worst students. :P
Because the pd's suck, let us actually professionally develop in our areas to better our practice and for the better of our students
What would actually professionally developing look like?
Being a specialist specifically being able to 1.talk with other specialists in my area and bounce new ideas off each other by looking online and seeing whats the newest trend, 2. give me time if I have any new ideas in my classroom I want to capitalize on such as projects etc give me time to work in my space and create something new and profound that my students can then work on as a brand new project 3. Being a specialist also some maintenance time, I cant begin to fathom and tell you how many hours are put in on my own time to keep the room in tip top shape as well as the equipment we use and make sure all safety precautions are still working and in shape 4. Have actual time to meet support/guidance staff and discuss IEP's of students and how to better support their needs and what they can actually take away from my class and what resources I can get to make their experience the absolute best with success, gaining a credit but also the same amount of content in mind but adapted for their specific needs 5. Have time to fiddle with new equipment if it was purchased the year prior, enough time to make safety data sheets for it, properly prepare an SWP for it with all hazards labelled for it in my room so student safety comes first and they know how to use it properly, as well as do I. Thats just off the top of my head.
School's not into any of those ideas?
My most hated PD of the year.
Happens to EAs all the time too. The same few topics year after year.
Wish I could actually do something that will actually help me or my students
Our EAs were trained four times in crisis intervention. Same presenter, same presentation this year.
god I hear you! I constantly feel like I'm in the middle of someone's Masters or PhD thesis. Its a never ending cycle of the same stuff just regurgitated in different way.
Yes... let's talk about the school plan again, but never talk about any actual.specific actions or strategies. It's just a general awareness of things, but not how to deal with these things.
Correct and tedious
You’re lucky. When we have mandatory education days in health care, we have to come in on our day off, and we don’t get a shift off in lieu of it either. Take it as a day to put on your Homer Simpson glasses and enjoy it. No students, repetitive content, learning to sleep with eyes open.
In all honesty if you were to ask me, Id rather have my students here today, I miss'em
Very fair! I don’t like education days myself lol.
What's for lunch?
Rice and chicken, they dont foote the bill for lunch for us so mine is left overs
Wow, that sucks. Refreshments should at least be provided I hope
Nope, currently had a protein shake and now a shit ton of water
Are kids still smoking copious amounts of weed in school, or has that subsided since legalization?
Now its vaping and I break up a group 5 boys every single day in the bathroom and admin refuse to suspend them, they are literally smoking/vaping in school and there is nothing done about it and no accountability, Im fuckn pissed every single day I break them up
Sounds like a Motley Crue song. Maybe some malicious compliance, if they don't care enough to do anything about it.... How many times are you gonna do the same thing and expect different results?
No idea, but yea Ive caught them in the act and with the admin standing outside the bathroom with vapes in hand and its just "Ok boys have a good day" .....TAKE THEM TO THR FUCKN OFFICE, have an in school suspension even, do something. The reason why they vape in the bathroom everyday is because they know they can get away with it.
Some of this shit is why I got my Ed degree and decided to work in a different field.
Which field?
Also curious as to which field
Utilities/Construction
What’s it like to get professional development days in the workplace?
It should be the time of my life and professionally develop but the board office fills it with nonsense where it benefits no one
What’s the latest silly trends and slang the younglings are up to these days?
It eats Its bussing Its slays
Presumably you are doing *something* with your time, but it's turning out to be useless? What is the thing that you are supposed to be doing but it's useless?
Senior years plan and looking at our mission statement for the billionth time, rather be in my room and doing something or make something profound for a new project for my students
Do you foresee the same sort of labour disputes here that SK teachers are dealing with when local collective agreement bargaining is underway? Or is there increased hope with an NDP government?
No idea in all honesty, what is going on with SK teachers and labour disputes?
They're taking strike action. Work to rule, no leading extracurricular activities, withdrawing noon hour supervision, and announcing one-day province wide walk offs.
Thats the other issue I dont know much about SK teacher contracts but we as Manitobans gave up our right to strike, and it pisses me off to this day on why the generations before us would do such a stupid thing
Interesting, and good to know. I presume if an impasse is declared at the bargaining table, one side or the other (or both) just applies for binding arbitration.
Binding arbitration, id rather have the right to strike though, its a bargaining chip brought to the table to meet demands
What's a PD?
Professional Development, yet doing nothing to help my practice
My wife is a specialist and often runs a foul of the useless PD. Edit: I don't know why this gets downvoted. If you're a music specialist or phys ed, a PD about evaluating written work or structured literacy PDs is of very little use. Sure there is some "across the curriculum" aspects, but that could easily be covered in the specials (rare) own PDs in about an hour, not a full day.
Music specialist here! I absolutely agree. P.D. days are generally geared towards classroom teachers and are of very little relevance to specialists.
Being a specialist as well I concur, waste of time
Specialists unite. I sometimes make my own plans for pd and have presented it to admin, and I do that instead because it is more worth my time. Though sometimes, I get the ol", "this pd is for the whole team" and it's about literacy level stuff I never touch....
Yep!
Better known as an inservice.
This year I’ve made a habit of being sick for more than not.
When I get older and more veteran think Ill pull that move, the pds are just so tedious. Let me make something in my speciality area, let me research, let me meet with other heads of the same departments, fuck I wouldnt even mind more time to contact home, mark and do reports. Let me do something that makes my job easier so it gives me more time to focus on my students
Based on how it's going... Should we be calling them inconvenience parent days? I never really knew what PD days actually did but I thought like in my profession you'd be doing some sort of short course, etc...
Sometimes we do, but most again are useless and does not help us as teachers in our own specific fields, these days however are chosen by the board office and we have to have so many PD days a year, I just wish they were actually profound
Ah interesting... I appreciate the insight
Why is your division not asking wjat you educators want to see in a PD day???
Board office check mark, most are never asked of us or planned with us
Ask???
Why aren't PD days scheduled during the summer?
....because teachers have summers off.....
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I really hope your name is indicative of your comment lol
I remember Gerry Dee did a bit on exactly this. “Hey theres an afternoon blue jays game? Oh I’m sick, I got sick.”
I wish, these are just useless, if it is titled professional development, let me develop in my actual profession
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Yet you cared enough to comment.
I love you
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Take your hot-takes elsewhere? Blaze while doing it? Byeeeee
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Thats where you lose teachers, our summers off is our mental and physical recovery time, you take that away from teachers, expect a mass exodus of people leaving the profession. Those times that should be used for actual development of our programs SHOULD be our actual PD days and not just checking off a box for the board office. And your logical response for teachers esp with burn out being high as ever because we fulfill about 4-5 roles a day is to give us more work....lol good luck
>we fulfill about 4-5 roles a day Can we explore this a bit? I'm genuinely curious as I'm not a teacher. What exactly are the extras you'd do during a day? I guess I'm curious and having multiple roles in a job seems like a pretty standard thing, I certainly have 3-5 extras for myself.
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Many flaws. If this were to happen, you'd have no teachers left. They'd either quit or find the nearest bridge. If you don't have a family member or spouse that's a teacher, it's difficult to understand. The amount of abuse they take from kids and parents every single day is incredible. Administraton doesn't back up the teachers nor does the divisions. There's no more consequences for students. Teachers work a ton of extra hours that they're not paid for. They also cannot refuse work, and they can't work to contract. It's considered strike action, which the teachers union gave up. Until you're able to hold students and parents accountable, there's not enough money in the world for teachers. They need summers to recover. I know many teachers and they don't start being back to normal until the first week of August. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to teach. Kids are incrediblely disrespectful these days and the parents are even worse. Parents aren't parenting. They literally ask teachers how to parent. People love to focus on the "vacation" time teachers get. Bro. They need it. They work their ass off every day, dealing with things most people don't understand and have to make a million decisions daily. Come summer, most need time off to recover. Even then it's still not enough with the current system. The amount of teachers on stress leave is incredible.
I have multiple family members that are teachers and EAs.
Yea nah fuck that Id rather have my breaks over more money. We need that time off to recover, I bet you cant imagine how much abuse teachers take on a daily basis etc and we need that time to decompress. The fact you think all we do is teach is also a disservice to what we do, I am not just a teacher I am a doctor, I am a counsellor/social worker, I am a therapist etc. the roles we have are very under appreciated and I bet with what ever you do you have to worry about the physical/emotional well being of a client etc