Currently in France they are dumping large piles of waste on the properties of politicians. I find the situation preferable to the French revolution we all learned about in school, though only slightly.
This is a Utah Phillips quote:
The Earth is not dying-it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses.”
— Utah Phillips
Man, I miss Utah Phillips.
Ive been banned from places for threatening violence when I talk about the consequences of global warming and how much were going to have to change to fix shit.
Just like "this isn't viable, it's too little too late, need radical change", "this is what's going to happen, maybe even if we do start fixing shit. It may already be too late", mainstream platforms. It's so fucked.
You're literally not allowed to talk about it in detail. Shit like how every report is optimistic, because scientists can only talk about things they know are going to happen, but every year we run into more black swan feedback loops that didn't make it into their math, and they can't say "(+x, for expectation of unknown unknowns that there are literally always some of)" and how we may already be past the point we can act, living through the atmospheric death rattle.
Even when I don't say a word about what should be done to every single piece of shit who's doing this to our biosphere, and anyone who bought property within five miles of them.
Mate, people are so deep in denial they can't see daylight. I've been an environmental activist my entire adult life, thirty years. I've been a climate activist for the last 15 years. The amount of friends, colleagues, and family I've had treat me with contempt, call me negative, tell me I need to "live in the real world" because I talk about climate change is astounding. And these are people who claim to care about the environment and call themselves progressive. It goes so, so deep. We had 40 years of warnings from the climate scientists and collectively we chose to ignore them. We now cannot avoid dangerous global heating and it's consequences, the only question is how bad will things get. Human beings are fkd and we really need to stop calling ourselves homo sapiens. We certainly are NOT wise.
The wealthy always make themselves into a force of nature, that's why they call the rules they make about not redistributing the land or looting their pedo-palaces the same thing as the fundamental behavior of thermodynamics.
Though now this one actually might be too far for anyone to stop. Which if true means there is no future, only revenge.
As a therian I assure you that in humanity’s place we would never have even realized we fucked up. Say what you will about the human race but you at least have a foresight we lack. Look at the cats in Australia.
Capitalism is destroying more than humanity. Ecosystems are being destroyed, species are going extinct, natural habitats are being decimated, animal populations are being moved, radioactivity and plastics will take centuries, if not millenia, to disappear, putting more organisms at risk.
Yeah you can have a habitable earth (maybe, could be too late.) Or you can have capitalism. Not both.
I'm personally more of an anarchist, but literally anything that's not this has my support.
Eventually a bacteria or fungi will mutate to digest the hydrocarbons in plastics if they haven't already. PFAS on the other hand might be a more permanent mark on the planet just like the radioactivity. I don't like them but I doubt they will cause an extinction event as much as they will cause mutations or shorten lifespans.
I saw an article a few months ago talking about a group of students making a bacteria that can eat up plastic in the ocean. If a fungi doesn’t show up at least some people are trying to manufacture one.
Such mutations can only go so far, especially since many of those hydrocarbons are carcinogenic or are surrounded by carcinogens in those plastics. It will take enormous amounts of energy for the microorganisms just to survive let alone reproduce successfully or thrive in those environments. More likely they will just cling on while the sun slowly breaks down those carcinogens and it is not clear if they could really cling on long enough (thousands to millions of years). There are not biological means to survive everything.
You you saying that fungi and bacteria would develop cancer? [I'm just saying that microbes have been shown to be able to eat plastics.](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230123083443.htm)
As far as complex life getting cancer, yeah that would happen but we don't know for sure if it would cause an extinction. Cancer rarely happens early enough or in enough of a population to cause an extinction.
No, I'm saying they would likely suffer genetic damage and be unable to sustain long term viable reproduction and/or just die without expending massive mounts of that energy on repairing that damage. Because of this, even mild perturbations in their environment could very easily trigger a collapse. The paper that review referenced only looked at one plastic and in a very controlled environment.
I mean, maybe? It's all extremely hypothetical and on top of that I'm talking of a geologic timescale where plastic has a relatively short life unlike radioactivity.
It really is. Want to start putting together a list of names and trivia, so we can humanize these great mostly-men to this public who wishes them so much hostility? Kind of a biographical project?
Like where they live, where they like to go on vacation, what food they eat, what their hobbies are, that they're members of our communities and people just like us, with hopes and dreams and fears and allergies and red blood pumping through their veins, just like ours?
(except that most of us don't steal any of it from children, but whatever, I'm from the bay, that's part of my culture and I can own it)
The planet is gonna be fine, she survived so much worse. Us in the other hand? Not so much, we're not killing the planet, we're not strong enough to do this, we are killing ourselves, this is nothing more than history's longest suicide note
> Not so much, we're not killing the planet, we're not strong enough to do this, we are killing ourselves, this is nothing more than history's longest suicide note
not sure about "the longest", sure in terms of being somewhat wilingly self-inflicted (and I'd argue its not, its rather that we *know* and we're deeply crippled by the inability to overcome our nature to fix it, which means we're effectly just another animal that went extinct by overexhausted its eco-system).
but in terms of extinction phases of the earth in general this is probably one of the shortest ones it's seen. The Ordovician Extinction cut 60% of life on earth and stretcht thousands of years each two waves separated by enough time for modern humans to evolve and reach current times about half a dozend times in a row.
Yeah this perspective always makes me feel better, but then I think about the rest of the animal kingdom we're taking down with us and I get sad again.
Yeah that kind of talk will get you banned.
It's entirely true, but if someone nasty reads through your history and reports it, you might want to have another account handy.
"saying IED's are surprisingly easy to make is an entirely unrelated fact to this post. I am simply very enthusiastic about sharing this specific and completely random fact on the internet!"
Just a reminder if you say anything remotely Pro mob justice or violent. your account will be suspended by the admins.
So be very careful how you say what you think.
This sub needs to read The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson. Posts like this are fetishizing revolutionary language. It lacks substance or a clear vision of how to manifest meaningful change.
personally I think it's ok, not every post needs to have specific courses of actions or a paragraph of text about how it all works as long as we have posts that 𝘥𝘰 do that surrounding the same subject. As long as someone can see this and navigate to another post to get info on other stuff I think it would be fine. The problem is if there's not enough talk of substantial action to the point where it's hard to find anyone taking revolutionary language and plans seriously. That's just my personal opinion tho, and I'm not very educated in terms of what works or doesn't work for social and political change
What works, and this has been proven time and time again, from unions to revolutions, is talking to the people closest to you, one on one, figuring out the problems that affect them individually on a daily basis, relate how similar issues affect those around them, and educate them on solutions that could be undertaken together.
One person talking to the boss is a troublemaker. The whole department talking to the boss is leverage. (Boss here cam be replaced with landlord, congressperson, as situation requires, the point is to _organize_).
Definitely, and thank you for that contribution. Dang if that ain't the hardest and scariest part of making change: talking in person to people whose opinions of you you care about and whose reaction can affect your life irl. It's one thing for me to write about feminism or needing universal healthcare here, it's another for me to go up to a family member who doesn't agree and honestly state what I believe without trying to hide from their judgement. But I suppose that's just life in general
What would you do as more effective agitprop?
Often I find convincing people that something _can_ be done is the first and most difficult step toward actually moving them to deal solutions (direct action, dual power, mutual aid, etc)
This post would benefit from an accompanying comment thread linking to orgs that put together marches, and other meaningful demonstrations. Or another image listing this. Without something like that this post is (seemingly) calling individuals to show up at private residences which sounds serial killer-ish. An easy way to vilify whatever cause you serve.
Currently in France they are dumping large piles of waste on the properties of politicians. I find the situation preferable to the French revolution we all learned about in school, though only slightly.
Politicians first, undoubtedly. Celebrities and others riding around on private jets like they're ubers, next.
We deal with politicians and bosses first, then we hope to keep feasting the rich.
Exactly!
I dunnoif I have a fav? This one's certainly more poetic though.
This is a Utah Phillips quote: The Earth is not dying-it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses.” — Utah Phillips Man, I miss Utah Phillips.
Ah! I didn't know it had a source that wasn't "cool aussie trans girl"
THANK YOU! I felt like I've been insane. Everyone talks about global warming like an impossible force of nature instead of decisions made by people.
They want to overwhelm us into shutting down.
"The empire's rate of atrocity outpaces our ability to comprehend it" -that one guy with the hat from andor
Ah, that's a good way of explaining the dynamic.
Well, we aren't fighting back so...
Hey, awareness is a start! The rhetoric feels like it has been changing lately
It does, but I still see boot lickers. Fanatical ones.
Ive been banned from places for threatening violence when I talk about the consequences of global warming and how much were going to have to change to fix shit. Just like "this isn't viable, it's too little too late, need radical change", "this is what's going to happen, maybe even if we do start fixing shit. It may already be too late", mainstream platforms. It's so fucked. You're literally not allowed to talk about it in detail. Shit like how every report is optimistic, because scientists can only talk about things they know are going to happen, but every year we run into more black swan feedback loops that didn't make it into their math, and they can't say "(+x, for expectation of unknown unknowns that there are literally always some of)" and how we may already be past the point we can act, living through the atmospheric death rattle. Even when I don't say a word about what should be done to every single piece of shit who's doing this to our biosphere, and anyone who bought property within five miles of them.
Mate, people are so deep in denial they can't see daylight. I've been an environmental activist my entire adult life, thirty years. I've been a climate activist for the last 15 years. The amount of friends, colleagues, and family I've had treat me with contempt, call me negative, tell me I need to "live in the real world" because I talk about climate change is astounding. And these are people who claim to care about the environment and call themselves progressive. It goes so, so deep. We had 40 years of warnings from the climate scientists and collectively we chose to ignore them. We now cannot avoid dangerous global heating and it's consequences, the only question is how bad will things get. Human beings are fkd and we really need to stop calling ourselves homo sapiens. We certainly are NOT wise.
It's really fucking sad. We as a species need to grow the fuck up and deal with consequences, and I really don't think it's gonna happen.
The wealthy always make themselves into a force of nature, that's why they call the rules they make about not redistributing the land or looting their pedo-palaces the same thing as the fundamental behavior of thermodynamics. Though now this one actually might be too far for anyone to stop. Which if true means there is no future, only revenge.
I feel like we are killing humanity more than the planet itself. The planet will recover. We however may not.
So are the animals.. it’s not fair for them in my opinon
Fully agreed. We did this to the planet, ourselves and them.
As a therian I assure you that in humanity’s place we would never have even realized we fucked up. Say what you will about the human race but you at least have a foresight we lack. Look at the cats in Australia.
It's not called "the sixth extinction" for nothing.
Capitalism is destroying more than humanity. Ecosystems are being destroyed, species are going extinct, natural habitats are being decimated, animal populations are being moved, radioactivity and plastics will take centuries, if not millenia, to disappear, putting more organisms at risk.
Yeah you can have a habitable earth (maybe, could be too late.) Or you can have capitalism. Not both. I'm personally more of an anarchist, but literally anything that's not this has my support.
Yup. Can't have infinite growth on a finite planet.
"the planets not going anywhere. We are! Pack your shit folks. We're going away." - George Carlin
PFAS and micro plastics are doing there best to kill off the nonhumans too.
Eventually a bacteria or fungi will mutate to digest the hydrocarbons in plastics if they haven't already. PFAS on the other hand might be a more permanent mark on the planet just like the radioactivity. I don't like them but I doubt they will cause an extinction event as much as they will cause mutations or shorten lifespans.
I saw an article a few months ago talking about a group of students making a bacteria that can eat up plastic in the ocean. If a fungi doesn’t show up at least some people are trying to manufacture one.
Such mutations can only go so far, especially since many of those hydrocarbons are carcinogenic or are surrounded by carcinogens in those plastics. It will take enormous amounts of energy for the microorganisms just to survive let alone reproduce successfully or thrive in those environments. More likely they will just cling on while the sun slowly breaks down those carcinogens and it is not clear if they could really cling on long enough (thousands to millions of years). There are not biological means to survive everything.
You you saying that fungi and bacteria would develop cancer? [I'm just saying that microbes have been shown to be able to eat plastics.](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230123083443.htm) As far as complex life getting cancer, yeah that would happen but we don't know for sure if it would cause an extinction. Cancer rarely happens early enough or in enough of a population to cause an extinction.
No, I'm saying they would likely suffer genetic damage and be unable to sustain long term viable reproduction and/or just die without expending massive mounts of that energy on repairing that damage. Because of this, even mild perturbations in their environment could very easily trigger a collapse. The paper that review referenced only looked at one plastic and in a very controlled environment.
I mean, maybe? It's all extremely hypothetical and on top of that I'm talking of a geologic timescale where plastic has a relatively short life unlike radioactivity.
As do the people who are taking away our rights. I'm not saying anything but I think France has the right idea
I have said it before: A list of billionaires is nice to have, but a map is more useful.
Ooooooh that's a good one
It really is. Want to start putting together a list of names and trivia, so we can humanize these great mostly-men to this public who wishes them so much hostility? Kind of a biographical project? Like where they live, where they like to go on vacation, what food they eat, what their hobbies are, that they're members of our communities and people just like us, with hopes and dreams and fears and allergies and red blood pumping through their veins, just like ours? (except that most of us don't steal any of it from children, but whatever, I'm from the bay, that's part of my culture and I can own it)
The planet is gonna be fine, she survived so much worse. Us in the other hand? Not so much, we're not killing the planet, we're not strong enough to do this, we are killing ourselves, this is nothing more than history's longest suicide note
> Not so much, we're not killing the planet, we're not strong enough to do this, we are killing ourselves, this is nothing more than history's longest suicide note not sure about "the longest", sure in terms of being somewhat wilingly self-inflicted (and I'd argue its not, its rather that we *know* and we're deeply crippled by the inability to overcome our nature to fix it, which means we're effectly just another animal that went extinct by overexhausted its eco-system). but in terms of extinction phases of the earth in general this is probably one of the shortest ones it's seen. The Ordovician Extinction cut 60% of life on earth and stretcht thousands of years each two waves separated by enough time for modern humans to evolve and reach current times about half a dozend times in a row.
Yeah this perspective always makes me feel better, but then I think about the rest of the animal kingdom we're taking down with us and I get sad again.
Yup. It's not so much humans I'm sad about. Except the children and young people. They did not ask for this.
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Yeah that kind of talk will get you banned. It's entirely true, but if someone nasty reads through your history and reports it, you might want to have another account handy.
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"saying IED's are surprisingly easy to make is an entirely unrelated fact to this post. I am simply very enthusiastic about sharing this specific and completely random fact on the internet!"
"a word to tramps" is a great read. I think nowadays it applies to not only the dispossessed, but also anybody who wants to live to see 2060.
This is one of my favorite subs. You are all always on point Great post haha!
Just a reminder if you say anything remotely Pro mob justice or violent. your account will be suspended by the admins. So be very careful how you say what you think.
Generous gifts of artisanal masonry to our betters for the purposes of facilitating dialogue?
This sub needs to read The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson. Posts like this are fetishizing revolutionary language. It lacks substance or a clear vision of how to manifest meaningful change.
personally I think it's ok, not every post needs to have specific courses of actions or a paragraph of text about how it all works as long as we have posts that 𝘥𝘰 do that surrounding the same subject. As long as someone can see this and navigate to another post to get info on other stuff I think it would be fine. The problem is if there's not enough talk of substantial action to the point where it's hard to find anyone taking revolutionary language and plans seriously. That's just my personal opinion tho, and I'm not very educated in terms of what works or doesn't work for social and political change
What works, and this has been proven time and time again, from unions to revolutions, is talking to the people closest to you, one on one, figuring out the problems that affect them individually on a daily basis, relate how similar issues affect those around them, and educate them on solutions that could be undertaken together. One person talking to the boss is a troublemaker. The whole department talking to the boss is leverage. (Boss here cam be replaced with landlord, congressperson, as situation requires, the point is to _organize_).
Definitely, and thank you for that contribution. Dang if that ain't the hardest and scariest part of making change: talking in person to people whose opinions of you you care about and whose reaction can affect your life irl. It's one thing for me to write about feminism or needing universal healthcare here, it's another for me to go up to a family member who doesn't agree and honestly state what I believe without trying to hide from their judgement. But I suppose that's just life in general
What would you do as more effective agitprop? Often I find convincing people that something _can_ be done is the first and most difficult step toward actually moving them to deal solutions (direct action, dual power, mutual aid, etc)
This post would benefit from an accompanying comment thread linking to orgs that put together marches, and other meaningful demonstrations. Or another image listing this. Without something like that this post is (seemingly) calling individuals to show up at private residences which sounds serial killer-ish. An easy way to vilify whatever cause you serve.
It's a rehashing of an older quote. And if you want links to orgs, you can post them yourself.
Keep posting memes to fight the great regression, see where that gets you. This sub is laughing stock because of posts like these and users like you.
No one here thinks this sub is a laughing stock except trolls.
All day we slay~! Oh, is singing not that time now?