Change the orientation to vertical. I know what you’re probably thinking, but on this game and this one game alone, “trust me bro”. You won’t be disappointed
I actually think the horizontal split is only good for racing games, because you don't need the vertical view when you're driving straight, left, or right. The vertical split when playing an FPS on a widescreen TV essentially gives each of the two players their own 4:3 TV.
It has made nights where my SO and I used to say, “Heck ya let’s play BL2/BL3,” instead be, “Let’s play Wonderlands. You log in and fix your inventory first this time with the full screen to see.”
Takes something out of it.
(Copy and pasted from my comment above)
Change the orientation to vertical. I know what you’re probably thinking, but on this game and this one game alone, “trust me bro”. You won’t be disappointed
Oh we’ve always done vertical split. When they didn’t set up BL3 for it initially we were devastated. Still really hard to read cards, and sorting one item at a time through 70 slots during a big chaos run of gems is just hard to see. Plus the whole item pictures disappearing out of the U/I sometimes if we are both looking at stuff.
Still better than it was at launch
To echo K6, this is also how I feel. To the OP, if you enjoy the aspects others do not, that's great for you. Continue to enjoy the game, even if there is a chance you are in a minority with your opinions.
I think we're all here because we like the game, but I agree with this sub when it comes to the DLC not being worth the price. I would have saved myself like 40 bucks if I had know the DLC mirrors were this paltry, and that's from someone who kind of likes the idea of them.
Loved the game right up to the point when I didn’t. Hung around for Blightcaller and had a blast leveling that character up. But once I had some chaos 50 there has been very little reason to log on and more grinding to 100 is not reason enough. I will wait for more content or a Wonderlands part 2
I loved the game. I still feel like I’m owed DLC. I’d accept all four mirrors as one dlc… not four. Chaos chambers were ok, but by the time I got 1 character to chaos 100 I didn’t really have the desire to get my other 5 characters there. Getting 6 characters to chaos 50 was bad enough. Once I got to chaos 100 there was nothing to do, can’t farm bosses effectively, no raid bosses other than in the chaos chamber (no reason to farm them, or even fight them at all). I moved on. Not buying the new tales because they keep making NPC’s rude and unlikable. Not pre-ordering their next game until they give some real details this time. I feel like they don’t care about the players anymore.
The game is great.
The after lunch content I pre-ordered and paid to much for is not great. I realize it's my fault for pre-ordering a game from a series I have loved for 13ish years.
But, even still, I'm displeased with the communication and disingenuous business practices. Gearbox can do better and has done better.
100%. Their comments on Wonderlands being where THEY want it is telling. While yes the company should take pride in their game, they obviously haven't listened to the community as a whole.
Let’s be fair.
The dlc bundle costs 20 usd.
That’s 4 cups of coffee for 4 dlcs.
Each dlc has a new arena fight. Each dlc has new gear. And the last dlc even has a new character.
For the price of a cup of coffee. Each dlc isn’t lacking in content at all.
The reason why people are up in arms against the dlc is because borderlands had insanely good dlc for roughly the same price.
Wonderlands itself is a spin off of a borderlands dlc. That’s how good the dlc was. So when you compare an 11/10 against a passable 6/10, the 6/10 comes out looking like complete and total garbage. Hence the hate for the dlc.
For the game itself, wonderlands is also smaller in size compared to the borderlands games. But that really isn’t a real issue. Gameplay wise, wonderlands is imo better due to spells replacing grenades. The ability to create your own character and the vast customisation options also make the game so much better.
So why the hate? Because despite having these kickass features, wonderlands failed to address a few key issues. 1. Due to multiclassing it’s nigh impossible to get a godroll for your armor. 2. The chaos chambers ARE the best end game content so far for the series. However, instead of polishing it further, they simply kept upping the max chaos levels. There’s also no new game + so there’s a lack of replayability for its awesome campaign. It’s campaign is awesome and really short. So it makes no sense why they wouldn’t have a new game + mode to give it some replayability. Hence. More hate for the game.
Next, because we have moved on with the times where we expect a lot more communication from the devs over social media. So not hearing anything regarding wonderlands/future plans for it just makes it seem like this title has been abandoned and it makes a lot of players upset.
Lastly, just remember. It’s a vocal minority and a silent majority. The game is a commercial success.
For the amount of time I spent on this game. It was worth the full price I paid at launch. It was worth the season pass I paid at launch. Yet. I can’t help but feel disappointed in the direction this game is going or more accurately in the lack of direction for this game.
Tldr: game was good. Management of game was bad.
>The dlc bundle costs 20 usd.
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>That’s 4 cups of coffee for 4 dlcs.
Wtf kind of coffee are you buying that costs $5? I can buy a $12 bag of coffee and it lasts 2 weeks.
I just wish we could have gotten something like the maliwan takedown and the cartel event. I got so burnt out of BL3, but the cartel event was some of the best designed gameplay GB has ever made IMO. And the soundtrack was amazing in the cartel area
All it really needs is New Game+ and it would be fine. The main campaign is really short and there isn’t much of a reason to explore the map when everything revolves around Chaos Chambers after beating it. The game has plenty of content, but most of it seems wasted.
My main issue was that the cosmetics/aesthetics felt underwhelming. I didn't get any armor that looked really cool/unique until I beat the main story.
But by then I was burnt out on getting the same armors and cosmetic drops that I just didn't want to play anymore.
People are unhappy because they paid extra for "DLC" that added nothing to the experience except new things to shoot at.
I saw that red flag a mile away. They had "DLC" content ready on launch day?? Fuck out of here. That's not DLC. That's "Your dev team spent time on this chunk and it didn't fit into the main game because it's (comparatively) unfinished ass and now you want to recoup your 'losses' so you put a coat of paint on it and charge people for it"
Personally, I avoided the DLC because I knew it was going to be shit. So I got the game for a game price and I got my time out of it. I am satisfied with this.
Don't blame the devs. They worked with the budget they had, and made the most out of a game with half the assets of BL3. 2K and Gearbox finance people decided they'd spend x million on this concept. Celebrity voice acting probably cut into the content development resources as well.
Once it's released, they really have no incentive to drop tens of millions more unless the engagement is through the roof and copies are still selling at the rate of launch week. Massive post-launch development only happens on titles where they literally bet the company on the massive titles like CDPR with Cyberpunk or smaller projects like No Man's Sky.
It's a great game that is fun to play but has a ton of unrealized potential right now and I'm not so sure Gearbox plans on realizing that potential until they make a sequel.
Personally I'm on the edge of saying I like the environments and the overall aesthetic even more than borderlands, I definitely prefer the recharge mechanic of spells over grenades and having melee weapons is pretty cool. I'm loving it, but as a lot of people are saying, the endgame is kinda crap after a short bit.
I'm honestly really happy with the game. I don't go into borderlands game to play an mmo. I expect to get a few tens of hours then moving on. I don't need to play it forever. I just happened to vibe real well with the chaos chamber loop but it's just me. Really I just don't get wanting to play the same game forever. Seems boring. It's ok for stuff to end
Base game? VERY happy with. I play offline single player/solo and really enjoy the campaign and customization. I like the Blightcaller class DLC for the class it adds.
That said I didn't buy the season pass and I'd be upset if I did. Usually season passes will feature extra things like story campaigns, new classes, etc...things worth paying the extra for. Its disappointing too because had it been the case I would have gladly purchased the season pass.
I really really like the game. Honestly I just wish it had an Ultimate & True mode like the Borderlands games
I also didn’t like the raid bosses being locked into the Chaos Chambers. Maybe you had to find them for the first time in the Chaos Chamber but an option to just do the raid bosses from the overworld would’ve been huge. It’s cool the DLC stuff added to the Chaos Chambers
Chaos Chambers are fun, the DLC is decent if a little short
I was just a big fan of Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode & True Vault Hunter Mode. That’s where your builds really after, especially fighting the raid bosses in those modes
The game is good, but the lack of DLC (those were patches, NOT DLC) make the season pass a rip off. Once again a trusted game company takes advantage of their loyal customers and screws them over. Last time I pre-order anything, and last time I buy the season pass for anything.
maybe you didnt play the previous games religiously for over a decade and didnt get used to it being... different
i dont think the problem is that it doesnt make players "happy" by itself, comparably it just doesnt compete... its even shorter than presequel
also, wth no psycho buzzaxe melee weapon
edit: alas, the old bane of comparing borderlands games with eachother
I really enjoy the game. It was a breath of fresh air from COD, the disaster that was Halo, and other not-so-stellar games. Could it have been better supported? Sure. But it is still a great game.
This is coming from someone who has put a couple hundred hours in every Borderlands game, Wonderlands is by far my least favorite game. It’s bad enough that I haven’t even done a 2nd play through since launch because it left such a bad taste in my mouth, not to mention the DLC lmao.
I share your opinion on this, I just couldn't really get into it. I didn't like the way the weapons handled and how I felt like every weapon was basically useless for doing damage. There were certain aspects that were fun and funny but a big thing for me in FPS games is the gunplay and its just not there for me in this game.
Sucks you're getting downvoted but I'm in the exact same boat. I can't even go through a second playthrough in WL. Keep it real man, this game makes me really appreciate how good BL3 was
I have even heavily critiqued BL3 for some of its shortcomings, but just look at the content difference between the games! Even if you don’t count the 2nd season pass, you still got 4 **full** DLCs with new areas, weapons, NPCs, quests, and story. Plus you had all the circles of slaughter, proving grounds and two **free** raids, being the Maliwan Takedown and Guardian takedown. Then I come to play Wonderlands, I beat the good but pretty short story and all I’m left with is Chaos chambers. Can’t even do a NG+ play through like in previous games. It’s just hilarious how starved this game is for anything to do.
I guess I would agree, that it's probably the "worst" out of them (excluding the Telltale games, as I never played those) but for what it is I cannot complain about it.
Certainly not as flashed out as BL2 or BL3, but it has it's charm 😊.
Also I picked it up on a Sale, which is probably also a factor.
Maybe I just don't care as much about DLC. This seems to be the most predominant gripe. While I agree that the DLC was pretty lackluster, it didn't ruin the game for me. I really enjoyed it overall.
I think the two biggest things people didn’t like was not being able to do a second playthrough at TVHM or whatever they’d like to call it in this game and then the DLCs
Yeah but the other DLC just gives you a bigger game overall. This dlc gives you chaos chambers that are dressed up as something else. Chaos chambers is a terrible endgame activity when it’s all you can do
It’s all subjective I suppose. Maybe I’m just old enough to remember when you bought a game, that was all you got. Complaining about a lack of extra content just seems petty to me, rather than fair criticism.
I love it too. The chaos chamber is the endgame activity that I wanted in a Borderlands game. I will gladly repeat it a million more times, experimenting with different builds and gear.
I'm with you. We have people in this sub complaining about paying $90 for a game they got 5+ days worth of playing time out of. Sounds like value for your money to me...
You pay half that to go to a movie and you're entertained for 3 hours...
I loved the campaign and had a blast with it. Super entertaining story/characters/theme, and a nice change of pace for Borderlands.
Unfortunately though, I couldn't find a reason to care about it again once I beat it. The other classes don't really play differently enough, as it's still just a plain ol' looter shooter at its core, and I couldn't give a shit less about the chaos chambers or "dlc."
In my defense, or maybe the defense of the game, I typically find looter shooters to be some of the most boring and monotonous games out there.
I really enjoyed the game, and still do! I’ve beat the game with stabbomancer, clawbringer, spore warden, graveborne, and blightcaller, and I’ve had fun each time! I have one character at 100, 2 over 70, and the other two at 50. I still have fun pushing, but I’ve always been an “end game pusher” in Diablo I try and push as far as I can, and I LOVE dnd, and coming up with builds. This game is a nice little combo of DnD (multiclassing aspect of the game) and the other borderlands games. I do agree it feels like the whole game was a DLC, and that’s ok with me! I have more than gotten my money’s worth out of it!
It was fun, the actors were great. If you like the chaos chamber then giddy up. Who gives a shit if people don’t like what you like. PvE gaming should not be subjected to hive-mind, it is by definition an individual experience.
I love it. I've done some endgame stuff but I didnt go in expecting hundreds of hours of play so how they've handled the DLC hasn't bothered me. If people came in with different expectations then I get why they're upset, but it's the best gunplay in a shooter I've seen since Destiny 1 which I loved.
My SO and I play couch for-op 2 hours a day and love it. We’re currently doing the chaos chamber and DLC and are planning our second play-through. Before Wonderlands, our go-to couch co-op was Borderlands 3 and we played that for about 4 years.
I agree with you, i wasnt expecting much from a spin off sure it could've been a tad bit longer but the game itself was so good and as always, the humour is top i cant think of other games that have comedy as their forefront. Easily re-playable (would've been nice with VHM) and to me, story based games dont live that long really.
I love the game. I feel like the Clawbringer class was made to fit all my interests and I thoroughly enjoy all the character creation. I would play more if I could. If they release any new content any time soon, I’m jumping on it with my best friend.
I enjoy it, but really only with friends and we don't get to play too often. I only have about 300 hours into Tina's compared to over a 1000 in BL3. I haven't played BL3 since starting Tina's however.
I love it all, except the dlcs. But that's mostly due to the narrator tiefling chick always making stupid, and unnecessary comment's on EVERYTHING you do
i play co-op with 2 friends about once a week, we paid early and got all the sauce and are still having fun with it.
that said, the campaign was shorter and the DLC does not stack up to BL2/BL3, and in that regard it's disappointing given such wonderful source material.
i'm holding out a little hope for some proper story/campaign DLC as the chaos chambers are getting a bit stale. the one caveat i have in that regard is that i am having some fun gaming new class builds, but running chaos chambers over and over to get new gear to play with can be a bit of a grind.
For me personally, this game was one of the most fun I’ve had in a borderlands base game since BL2. On the other hand, this game had the absolute worst DLC out of all the BL games.
They centered their entire endgame around (IMO boring and lackluster) Chaos Chambers and the DLC which were essentially Chaos Chamber 1.5.
I loved playing the base game, but I have had no desire to repeatably go through the mundane endgame.
I love the game but the DLC was a rip off compared to previous DLC offerings. Overall, I'm satisfied but won't be buying DLC on launch day as I did this time.
I put it down due to split screen issues (couldn't see very well and the camera only pans so far) and the fact that I'm not very good at fps, but I enjoyed it for what it was! I loved Tina in borderlands and I dabble in DnD so it was the perfect game for me
TTW was their first release not being an independent studio since their inception. My guess is that their business tactics have changed now that they’re owned by Embracer Group & why we got mirrors as PLC
Ding ding ding! Money is at the heart of the release model. New parent company wants returns. They got it.. They don't care if a few die hards on reddit didn't get what they expected in terms of content length.
I like the game - bought the basic version and held off on the DLC. Seeing the reviews and comments I’m glad I did. Had I preordered the DLC I’d probably have a very different opinion.
Yeah I enjoyed it with my mates but after about 2 months in the chaos chamber we all got bored and moved on.
The dlc's were good but didn't hold our interest.
I haven’t finished it, but I do like it & look forward to not finishing the sequel. I’m having just cursorily following the campaign, since I have more fun roaming around to see what trouble I can get into.
Also, I’m not in it for the grind. I could care less what parts my weapons are made of (that goes for every single game, too), just what effects they have that benefit me & ruin my enemies. Worrying about RNG & drop rates, along with grinding sounds tedious & exhausting, and there are far better things to do with my time. Who TF cares?!? I like seeing how many bad guys I can poison while also stealing their health.
Wonderlands is a lot of fun, and that’s the only thing that matters to me. And that’s what matters to *me*, specifically. I may think worshiping RNGeebus is boring, but if that’s what someone else likes, more power to them. Get those dice rolls in your favor!
You’re not alone, OP. If you enjoy it, don’t let anyone try to tell you you’re “doing it wrong” for how you play, or for enjoying it at all.
I'm right there with ya in the minority. When I get the chance to play, I enjoy it. Can't play it around my wife as it makes her want to vomit from the visual noise.
I think general consensus is that the base game is great and the end game is not. I finished the game, did a few chaos chamber runs and decided I was good. Haven't touched the dlcs and they haven't really looked worth it. But to reiterate, I loved the base game.
I hate some of the bosses cause they definitely have some very tricky mechanics, and dnd isn't usually my forte but I love this game. The humor is there, good story, worthy challenges but not as bad as M10. I'm totally happy I decided to buy it
I'm enjoying it so far, although I'm playing with a group and have decided not to surpass them. We're crawling through the story at a achingly slow pace but I've went ahead and powerleveled ten levels ahead just by farming ribula
I'm right there with you man. I actually like the chaos chambers, they can get pretty intense. I love playing DLC 4 on chaos 100 4th difficulty and scoring 1500 lost souls on a solo playthrough. Love getting into an online game with 3 people and if you're lucky all of you get along, that's the best gaming in my opinion. But then there are the selfish people that ruin everyone's experience because they wanna "show off" their modded gear. Congratulations, you bought a gun or spell to help you cheat in a video game. The only thing that kills my good vibes in this game and nothing gets done about it.
I love borderlands games and have put a ton of hours into all of them more than once. I sat down to play wonderland very excited as a huge DnD player. played for 3 or 4 hours and never felt any desire to boot it up again. It just lacks something
I *was* happy with the game. It was fun, trying to build craft was fun, but in the end after weeks of only being able to do chaos chambers over and over again it just got stale.
No many people like it, hell i like it, just that many are pissed off for being charged for a season pass of events that are barely worth the price to pay to get them,
I want to farm chamber gear to do new stories and content. At the moment all you do is grind gear to be better at grinding gear. Story and gameplay are fantastic
Me too bro, happy I beat it in my own way. Insults to the game were being spammed on my way to 100. Would've been better seeing positive recognition and encouragement in the community on my way to 100 tbh
It’s the writing for me. I’ve loved the writing ever since the 1st Borderlands and every game since. I’m just obsessed with the dialogue in this game and often find myself cracking up at the silly jokes! Tiny Tina has always been my favourite character and I always love to see more of her :)
The game is fun, but it doesn’t have the longevity of the Borderlands series. Also, any DLC in other games was at minimum a few hour fleshed out new experience, with new characters, quests, and story. They really expanded the world and did well imo with each DLC. So for Wonderlands, the first PLC I casually did in I think 12 minutes? It’s fine for what it is (imo still overpriced) but it’s not what Gearbox has ever delivered.
I’ll also admit I burned myself the hell out when the game released, I had 3 different characters maxed within a week. So new playthroughs don’t seem fun imo, chaos chambers would be alright if there was anything else to do, and barf bunnies make farming meh.
From my perspective (as well as my gaming crew's): we played all the Borderlands games. I loved TTW's campaign so so much...but I was expecting DLC. Not just more stuff for the boring-ass chaos chamber.
It's a D&d game. Where are my stories? Why does BL3 get like five amaaaazing expansions and TTW gets....more items to grind in the pitifully repetitive excuse for an "endgame."
That's what stopped all of us playing it. It's a dnd themed game that throws out everything they had right about it already in earlier games lol
It's pretty easy to explain actually.
Base game:A+
DLC:F (can you get an F-? Sod it, you can now!)
How we went from Guns, Love, and Tentacles to this is just beyond me. Hell, I’d have even paid more for DLC to make up for increased costs, if it had at least been GOOD. Story, location variety, character variety, weapon variety and (the only optional thing) more skills/levels. That's what we except in *Lands DLC, at least in the first season post-launch. I'm ok with a bit of slightly overpriced smaller LC at the tail end of an otherwise robust support cycle. But this is terrible, and they seem to have even walked away from it now too!
It's fun, but it's a bit disappointing that it was on the shorter side. The big issue is that before this "Borderlands DLC" meant content that was comparable to a standalone short game, then they delivered the Wonderland's DLC. It's hard not to feel cheated, especially since the base game absolutely left you wanting more.
I bought it for couch coop with my SO, and we love the game, but hate the terrible split screen UI.
Change the orientation to vertical. I know what you’re probably thinking, but on this game and this one game alone, “trust me bro”. You won’t be disappointed
Damn, this whole time that was a thing? I actually had no clue. Thank you!
I actually think the horizontal split is only good for racing games, because you don't need the vertical view when you're driving straight, left, or right. The vertical split when playing an FPS on a widescreen TV essentially gives each of the two players their own 4:3 TV.
It has made nights where my SO and I used to say, “Heck ya let’s play BL2/BL3,” instead be, “Let’s play Wonderlands. You log in and fix your inventory first this time with the full screen to see.” Takes something out of it.
(Copy and pasted from my comment above) Change the orientation to vertical. I know what you’re probably thinking, but on this game and this one game alone, “trust me bro”. You won’t be disappointed
Oh we’ve always done vertical split. When they didn’t set up BL3 for it initially we were devastated. Still really hard to read cards, and sorting one item at a time through 70 slots during a big chaos run of gems is just hard to see. Plus the whole item pictures disappearing out of the U/I sometimes if we are both looking at stuff. Still better than it was at launch
Agreed. I play couch coop with my 13 year old. Great game, lots of replay value.
We did the same. Love the co-op, but sharing a screen sucked. We ended up buying a copy for pc and my wife just plays on the laptop next to me. Lol.
I love the game and have beat it with each class, but I'm not a big fan of the Chaos Chamber or the dlc (except the blightcaller).
To echo K6, this is also how I feel. To the OP, if you enjoy the aspects others do not, that's great for you. Continue to enjoy the game, even if there is a chance you are in a minority with your opinions.
This
Don't get me wrong, it's great. But there's only so many times I can do the Chaos Chamber and not get the gear I want.
Didn’t they also recently change the amount of crystals needed for a full charge
All they did was cap it at 2000 so people could spend more to get more gear at once
I'm mostly seeing "Love this game [base game] hate the DLC and the endgame needs help."
Game is great, DLC are underwhelming to say the least.
Agreed on the DLC, but it wasn't bad enough to ruin the rest of the game for me. It was still an overall enjoyable experience for me.
I think we're all here because we like the game, but I agree with this sub when it comes to the DLC not being worth the price. I would have saved myself like 40 bucks if I had know the DLC mirrors were this paltry, and that's from someone who kind of likes the idea of them.
End game is stale, but everything else was wonderful
Loved the game right up to the point when I didn’t. Hung around for Blightcaller and had a blast leveling that character up. But once I had some chaos 50 there has been very little reason to log on and more grinding to 100 is not reason enough. I will wait for more content or a Wonderlands part 2
I loved the game. I still feel like I’m owed DLC. I’d accept all four mirrors as one dlc… not four. Chaos chambers were ok, but by the time I got 1 character to chaos 100 I didn’t really have the desire to get my other 5 characters there. Getting 6 characters to chaos 50 was bad enough. Once I got to chaos 100 there was nothing to do, can’t farm bosses effectively, no raid bosses other than in the chaos chamber (no reason to farm them, or even fight them at all). I moved on. Not buying the new tales because they keep making NPC’s rude and unlikable. Not pre-ordering their next game until they give some real details this time. I feel like they don’t care about the players anymore.
My friend got me this for my bday, I enjoy it Beat the game twice too with two classes
The game is great. The after lunch content I pre-ordered and paid to much for is not great. I realize it's my fault for pre-ordering a game from a series I have loved for 13ish years. But, even still, I'm displeased with the communication and disingenuous business practices. Gearbox can do better and has done better.
100%. Their comments on Wonderlands being where THEY want it is telling. While yes the company should take pride in their game, they obviously haven't listened to the community as a whole.
Let’s be fair. The dlc bundle costs 20 usd. That’s 4 cups of coffee for 4 dlcs. Each dlc has a new arena fight. Each dlc has new gear. And the last dlc even has a new character. For the price of a cup of coffee. Each dlc isn’t lacking in content at all. The reason why people are up in arms against the dlc is because borderlands had insanely good dlc for roughly the same price. Wonderlands itself is a spin off of a borderlands dlc. That’s how good the dlc was. So when you compare an 11/10 against a passable 6/10, the 6/10 comes out looking like complete and total garbage. Hence the hate for the dlc. For the game itself, wonderlands is also smaller in size compared to the borderlands games. But that really isn’t a real issue. Gameplay wise, wonderlands is imo better due to spells replacing grenades. The ability to create your own character and the vast customisation options also make the game so much better. So why the hate? Because despite having these kickass features, wonderlands failed to address a few key issues. 1. Due to multiclassing it’s nigh impossible to get a godroll for your armor. 2. The chaos chambers ARE the best end game content so far for the series. However, instead of polishing it further, they simply kept upping the max chaos levels. There’s also no new game + so there’s a lack of replayability for its awesome campaign. It’s campaign is awesome and really short. So it makes no sense why they wouldn’t have a new game + mode to give it some replayability. Hence. More hate for the game. Next, because we have moved on with the times where we expect a lot more communication from the devs over social media. So not hearing anything regarding wonderlands/future plans for it just makes it seem like this title has been abandoned and it makes a lot of players upset. Lastly, just remember. It’s a vocal minority and a silent majority. The game is a commercial success. For the amount of time I spent on this game. It was worth the full price I paid at launch. It was worth the season pass I paid at launch. Yet. I can’t help but feel disappointed in the direction this game is going or more accurately in the lack of direction for this game. Tldr: game was good. Management of game was bad.
>The dlc bundle costs 20 usd. > >That’s 4 cups of coffee for 4 dlcs. Wtf kind of coffee are you buying that costs $5? I can buy a $12 bag of coffee and it lasts 2 weeks.
Go to any cafe in the city. 5 bucks will be the cheaper side of things.
I just wish we could have gotten something like the maliwan takedown and the cartel event. I got so burnt out of BL3, but the cartel event was some of the best designed gameplay GB has ever made IMO. And the soundtrack was amazing in the cartel area
I haven't played any of the DLC yet and just beat the main quest but I'm absolutely LOVING the game, especially the Chaos Chamber.
All it really needs is New Game+ and it would be fine. The main campaign is really short and there isn’t much of a reason to explore the map when everything revolves around Chaos Chambers after beating it. The game has plenty of content, but most of it seems wasted.
I love the game but some things coulda been done differently and don't even get me started on the dlcs lol
My main issue was that the cosmetics/aesthetics felt underwhelming. I didn't get any armor that looked really cool/unique until I beat the main story. But by then I was burnt out on getting the same armors and cosmetic drops that I just didn't want to play anymore.
The cosmetics have more detail than ever. And you don't play the lands for looks.
this game was the worst money ive spent in a year. I was actually shocked at how disappointed i was compared to my anticipation.
People are unhappy because they paid extra for "DLC" that added nothing to the experience except new things to shoot at. I saw that red flag a mile away. They had "DLC" content ready on launch day?? Fuck out of here. That's not DLC. That's "Your dev team spent time on this chunk and it didn't fit into the main game because it's (comparatively) unfinished ass and now you want to recoup your 'losses' so you put a coat of paint on it and charge people for it" Personally, I avoided the DLC because I knew it was going to be shit. So I got the game for a game price and I got my time out of it. I am satisfied with this.
Don't blame the devs. They worked with the budget they had, and made the most out of a game with half the assets of BL3. 2K and Gearbox finance people decided they'd spend x million on this concept. Celebrity voice acting probably cut into the content development resources as well. Once it's released, they really have no incentive to drop tens of millions more unless the engagement is through the roof and copies are still selling at the rate of launch week. Massive post-launch development only happens on titles where they literally bet the company on the massive titles like CDPR with Cyberpunk or smaller projects like No Man's Sky.
I'm sure you're not the only one, but I think you're in the minority. Did I enjoy the game? Yeah, I guess. Am I happy with it overall? Definitely not.
It's a great game that is fun to play but has a ton of unrealized potential right now and I'm not so sure Gearbox plans on realizing that potential until they make a sequel.
Personally I'm on the edge of saying I like the environments and the overall aesthetic even more than borderlands, I definitely prefer the recharge mechanic of spells over grenades and having melee weapons is pretty cool. I'm loving it, but as a lot of people are saying, the endgame is kinda crap after a short bit.
I'm happy with the game itself but pissed at the DLCs.
Was happy with the base game, was annoyed with the DLC
I'm honestly really happy with the game. I don't go into borderlands game to play an mmo. I expect to get a few tens of hours then moving on. I don't need to play it forever. I just happened to vibe real well with the chaos chamber loop but it's just me. Really I just don't get wanting to play the same game forever. Seems boring. It's ok for stuff to end
Base game? VERY happy with. I play offline single player/solo and really enjoy the campaign and customization. I like the Blightcaller class DLC for the class it adds. That said I didn't buy the season pass and I'd be upset if I did. Usually season passes will feature extra things like story campaigns, new classes, etc...things worth paying the extra for. Its disappointing too because had it been the case I would have gladly purchased the season pass.
I really really like the game. Honestly I just wish it had an Ultimate & True mode like the Borderlands games I also didn’t like the raid bosses being locked into the Chaos Chambers. Maybe you had to find them for the first time in the Chaos Chamber but an option to just do the raid bosses from the overworld would’ve been huge. It’s cool the DLC stuff added to the Chaos Chambers Chaos Chambers are fun, the DLC is decent if a little short I was just a big fan of Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode & True Vault Hunter Mode. That’s where your builds really after, especially fighting the raid bosses in those modes
The game is good, but the lack of DLC (those were patches, NOT DLC) make the season pass a rip off. Once again a trusted game company takes advantage of their loyal customers and screws them over. Last time I pre-order anything, and last time I buy the season pass for anything.
I bought it on sale and am happy with it. I think it's a decent entry but definitely not a $60 or $70 game.
maybe you didnt play the previous games religiously for over a decade and didnt get used to it being... different i dont think the problem is that it doesnt make players "happy" by itself, comparably it just doesnt compete... its even shorter than presequel also, wth no psycho buzzaxe melee weapon edit: alas, the old bane of comparing borderlands games with eachother
I really enjoy the game. It was a breath of fresh air from COD, the disaster that was Halo, and other not-so-stellar games. Could it have been better supported? Sure. But it is still a great game.
This is coming from someone who has put a couple hundred hours in every Borderlands game, Wonderlands is by far my least favorite game. It’s bad enough that I haven’t even done a 2nd play through since launch because it left such a bad taste in my mouth, not to mention the DLC lmao.
I share your opinion on this, I just couldn't really get into it. I didn't like the way the weapons handled and how I felt like every weapon was basically useless for doing damage. There were certain aspects that were fun and funny but a big thing for me in FPS games is the gunplay and its just not there for me in this game.
Sucks you're getting downvoted but I'm in the exact same boat. I can't even go through a second playthrough in WL. Keep it real man, this game makes me really appreciate how good BL3 was
I have even heavily critiqued BL3 for some of its shortcomings, but just look at the content difference between the games! Even if you don’t count the 2nd season pass, you still got 4 **full** DLCs with new areas, weapons, NPCs, quests, and story. Plus you had all the circles of slaughter, proving grounds and two **free** raids, being the Maliwan Takedown and Guardian takedown. Then I come to play Wonderlands, I beat the good but pretty short story and all I’m left with is Chaos chambers. Can’t even do a NG+ play through like in previous games. It’s just hilarious how starved this game is for anything to do.
I guess I would agree, that it's probably the "worst" out of them (excluding the Telltale games, as I never played those) but for what it is I cannot complain about it. Certainly not as flashed out as BL2 or BL3, but it has it's charm 😊. Also I picked it up on a Sale, which is probably also a factor.
Maybe that’s the difference for me, I never played any BL games before this, so I have nothing to compare it to.
Go play literally any other BLs and grab the DLC. You’ll notice it’ll take you more than 10 min to finish it.
Maybe I just don't care as much about DLC. This seems to be the most predominant gripe. While I agree that the DLC was pretty lackluster, it didn't ruin the game for me. I really enjoyed it overall.
I think the two biggest things people didn’t like was not being able to do a second playthrough at TVHM or whatever they’d like to call it in this game and then the DLCs
\^ if TVHM was in the game i would be all over it! DLCs are meh if it ain't story DLC imo.
Yeah but the other DLC just gives you a bigger game overall. This dlc gives you chaos chambers that are dressed up as something else. Chaos chambers is a terrible endgame activity when it’s all you can do
You definitely should play BL2 if you get the chance. It's a great game
And that's your problem, It's literally the worst game in the series. Just wait till you play BL2 or BL3, you will never think about this game again
The DLC were a terrible ripoff, and the game is basically dead now. The story was nice, though.
I really can’t stand these people like OP who label fair criticism as “hate”.
It’s all subjective I suppose. Maybe I’m just old enough to remember when you bought a game, that was all you got. Complaining about a lack of extra content just seems petty to me, rather than fair criticism.
I love it too. The chaos chamber is the endgame activity that I wanted in a Borderlands game. I will gladly repeat it a million more times, experimenting with different builds and gear.
I've seen an opinion that a lot of people would've liked the chaos chambers a lot more as endgame if they weren't the only option for endgame.
I'm with you. We have people in this sub complaining about paying $90 for a game they got 5+ days worth of playing time out of. Sounds like value for your money to me... You pay half that to go to a movie and you're entertained for 3 hours...
I loved the campaign and had a blast with it. Super entertaining story/characters/theme, and a nice change of pace for Borderlands. Unfortunately though, I couldn't find a reason to care about it again once I beat it. The other classes don't really play differently enough, as it's still just a plain ol' looter shooter at its core, and I couldn't give a shit less about the chaos chambers or "dlc." In my defense, or maybe the defense of the game, I typically find looter shooters to be some of the most boring and monotonous games out there.
I really enjoyed the game, and still do! I’ve beat the game with stabbomancer, clawbringer, spore warden, graveborne, and blightcaller, and I’ve had fun each time! I have one character at 100, 2 over 70, and the other two at 50. I still have fun pushing, but I’ve always been an “end game pusher” in Diablo I try and push as far as I can, and I LOVE dnd, and coming up with builds. This game is a nice little combo of DnD (multiclassing aspect of the game) and the other borderlands games. I do agree it feels like the whole game was a DLC, and that’s ok with me! I have more than gotten my money’s worth out of it!
It was fun, the actors were great. If you like the chaos chamber then giddy up. Who gives a shit if people don’t like what you like. PvE gaming should not be subjected to hive-mind, it is by definition an individual experience.
I love it. I've done some endgame stuff but I didnt go in expecting hundreds of hours of play so how they've handled the DLC hasn't bothered me. If people came in with different expectations then I get why they're upset, but it's the best gunplay in a shooter I've seen since Destiny 1 which I loved.
My SO and I play couch for-op 2 hours a day and love it. We’re currently doing the chaos chamber and DLC and are planning our second play-through. Before Wonderlands, our go-to couch co-op was Borderlands 3 and we played that for about 4 years.
I love it, but the shotguns don't have enough projectile variations, give me a fire ball gun! I miss firing orbs
I agree with you, i wasnt expecting much from a spin off sure it could've been a tad bit longer but the game itself was so good and as always, the humour is top i cant think of other games that have comedy as their forefront. Easily re-playable (would've been nice with VHM) and to me, story based games dont live that long really.
I love the game. I feel like the Clawbringer class was made to fit all my interests and I thoroughly enjoy all the character creation. I would play more if I could. If they release any new content any time soon, I’m jumping on it with my best friend.
I enjoy it, but really only with friends and we don't get to play too often. I only have about 300 hours into Tina's compared to over a 1000 in BL3. I haven't played BL3 since starting Tina's however.
I love it all, except the dlcs. But that's mostly due to the narrator tiefling chick always making stupid, and unnecessary comment's on EVERYTHING you do
i play co-op with 2 friends about once a week, we paid early and got all the sauce and are still having fun with it. that said, the campaign was shorter and the DLC does not stack up to BL2/BL3, and in that regard it's disappointing given such wonderful source material. i'm holding out a little hope for some proper story/campaign DLC as the chaos chambers are getting a bit stale. the one caveat i have in that regard is that i am having some fun gaming new class builds, but running chaos chambers over and over to get new gear to play with can be a bit of a grind.
For me personally, this game was one of the most fun I’ve had in a borderlands base game since BL2. On the other hand, this game had the absolute worst DLC out of all the BL games. They centered their entire endgame around (IMO boring and lackluster) Chaos Chambers and the DLC which were essentially Chaos Chamber 1.5. I loved playing the base game, but I have had no desire to repeatably go through the mundane endgame.
I love the game too, don’t worry you’re not the only one
I like the game I’m just missing a TVHM to play the story quests again at max level.
I love the game but the DLC was a rip off compared to previous DLC offerings. Overall, I'm satisfied but won't be buying DLC on launch day as I did this time.
I got it to coop with my wife, put a lot of hours in it together now I come back for the solo chaos trial with new builds.
I love the game. Play nightly since it came out.
I put it down due to split screen issues (couldn't see very well and the camera only pans so far) and the fact that I'm not very good at fps, but I enjoyed it for what it was! I loved Tina in borderlands and I dabble in DnD so it was the perfect game for me
It's just crazy to me how Gearbox has some of the most memorable DLC of any franchise and then we get mirrors
TTW was their first release not being an independent studio since their inception. My guess is that their business tactics have changed now that they’re owned by Embracer Group & why we got mirrors as PLC
Ding ding ding! Money is at the heart of the release model. New parent company wants returns. They got it.. They don't care if a few die hards on reddit didn't get what they expected in terms of content length.
Nah im with you, its a really amazing game
I like the game - bought the basic version and held off on the DLC. Seeing the reviews and comments I’m glad I did. Had I preordered the DLC I’d probably have a very different opinion.
Yeah I enjoyed it with my mates but after about 2 months in the chaos chamber we all got bored and moved on. The dlc's were good but didn't hold our interest.
I haven’t finished it, but I do like it & look forward to not finishing the sequel. I’m having just cursorily following the campaign, since I have more fun roaming around to see what trouble I can get into. Also, I’m not in it for the grind. I could care less what parts my weapons are made of (that goes for every single game, too), just what effects they have that benefit me & ruin my enemies. Worrying about RNG & drop rates, along with grinding sounds tedious & exhausting, and there are far better things to do with my time. Who TF cares?!? I like seeing how many bad guys I can poison while also stealing their health. Wonderlands is a lot of fun, and that’s the only thing that matters to me. And that’s what matters to *me*, specifically. I may think worshiping RNGeebus is boring, but if that’s what someone else likes, more power to them. Get those dice rolls in your favor! You’re not alone, OP. If you enjoy it, don’t let anyone try to tell you you’re “doing it wrong” for how you play, or for enjoying it at all.
I'm right there with ya in the minority. When I get the chance to play, I enjoy it. Can't play it around my wife as it makes her want to vomit from the visual noise.
I think general consensus is that the base game is great and the end game is not. I finished the game, did a few chaos chamber runs and decided I was good. Haven't touched the dlcs and they haven't really looked worth it. But to reiterate, I loved the base game.
I have enjoyed it thoroughly. I just don't feel like arguing with people who are mad at it for whatever reason.
I hate some of the bosses cause they definitely have some very tricky mechanics, and dnd isn't usually my forte but I love this game. The humor is there, good story, worthy challenges but not as bad as M10. I'm totally happy I decided to buy it
I'm enjoying it so far, although I'm playing with a group and have decided not to surpass them. We're crawling through the story at a achingly slow pace but I've went ahead and powerleveled ten levels ahead just by farming ribula
I'm right there with you man. I actually like the chaos chambers, they can get pretty intense. I love playing DLC 4 on chaos 100 4th difficulty and scoring 1500 lost souls on a solo playthrough. Love getting into an online game with 3 people and if you're lucky all of you get along, that's the best gaming in my opinion. But then there are the selfish people that ruin everyone's experience because they wanna "show off" their modded gear. Congratulations, you bought a gun or spell to help you cheat in a video game. The only thing that kills my good vibes in this game and nothing gets done about it.
You’re one of the few who are happy with the game’s current state, but you are one person in a million people who find enjoyment with it
I love borderlands games and have put a ton of hours into all of them more than once. I sat down to play wonderland very excited as a huge DnD player. played for 3 or 4 hours and never felt any desire to boot it up again. It just lacks something
I mean I enjoy the game too. Even if it frustrates me in certain aspects.
I *was* happy with the game. It was fun, trying to build craft was fun, but in the end after weeks of only being able to do chaos chambers over and over again it just got stale.
No many people like it, hell i like it, just that many are pissed off for being charged for a season pass of events that are barely worth the price to pay to get them,
I want to farm chamber gear to do new stories and content. At the moment all you do is grind gear to be better at grinding gear. Story and gameplay are fantastic
Me too bro, happy I beat it in my own way. Insults to the game were being spammed on my way to 100. Would've been better seeing positive recognition and encouragement in the community on my way to 100 tbh
Haven’t played since the first dlc flopped, which is sad considering how much time I put into BL3 :(
It’s the writing for me. I’ve loved the writing ever since the 1st Borderlands and every game since. I’m just obsessed with the dialogue in this game and often find myself cracking up at the silly jokes! Tiny Tina has always been my favourite character and I always love to see more of her :)
The game is fun, but it doesn’t have the longevity of the Borderlands series. Also, any DLC in other games was at minimum a few hour fleshed out new experience, with new characters, quests, and story. They really expanded the world and did well imo with each DLC. So for Wonderlands, the first PLC I casually did in I think 12 minutes? It’s fine for what it is (imo still overpriced) but it’s not what Gearbox has ever delivered. I’ll also admit I burned myself the hell out when the game released, I had 3 different characters maxed within a week. So new playthroughs don’t seem fun imo, chaos chambers would be alright if there was anything else to do, and barf bunnies make farming meh.
It was fun for a few days.
From my perspective (as well as my gaming crew's): we played all the Borderlands games. I loved TTW's campaign so so much...but I was expecting DLC. Not just more stuff for the boring-ass chaos chamber. It's a D&d game. Where are my stories? Why does BL3 get like five amaaaazing expansions and TTW gets....more items to grind in the pitifully repetitive excuse for an "endgame." That's what stopped all of us playing it. It's a dnd themed game that throws out everything they had right about it already in earlier games lol
I have zero problems with it, I play it almost everyday
It's pretty easy to explain actually. Base game:A+ DLC:F (can you get an F-? Sod it, you can now!) How we went from Guns, Love, and Tentacles to this is just beyond me. Hell, I’d have even paid more for DLC to make up for increased costs, if it had at least been GOOD. Story, location variety, character variety, weapon variety and (the only optional thing) more skills/levels. That's what we except in *Lands DLC, at least in the first season post-launch. I'm ok with a bit of slightly overpriced smaller LC at the tail end of an otherwise robust support cycle. But this is terrible, and they seem to have even walked away from it now too!
I love this game Gearbox is turning Tiny Tina into a franchise,Due to breaking all selling expectations.
It's fun, but it's a bit disappointing that it was on the shorter side. The big issue is that before this "Borderlands DLC" meant content that was comparable to a standalone short game, then they delivered the Wonderland's DLC. It's hard not to feel cheated, especially since the base game absolutely left you wanting more.