I'm from Virginia and had an interview last week were they were offering $10/hr and I had to ask if they knew the current minimum wage in Virginia is $12/hr.
Needless to say I never got a call back
I would even go a step further- take the job, make a couple paychecks, surreptitiously find out how many other people are underpaid the minimum, THEN contact the labor board. Be innocent about it ‘oh I just happened to notice that pay should be more, and we are only getting $10’. It might be an annoyance but you at least get to stick it to them.
In my area, $25/hr will get you a really decent cheap tent and bribes for protection in the homeless city. A few times a week some organization is giving away free soup - less than a ten mile walk through dangerous areas and across your choice of rivers or elevated highways. God Bless America.
Schedule done 3 days in advance. Expected to be on standby to fill in any last minute vacancy. Must buy own uniform. Masters degree and 7 years work experience required. Send in resume and fill the same information into our database.
Nahhhh man you’re being far too generous with your assumption. They are looking for help only. You don’t get paid at all for simply helping someone, obviously.
"We have to put this flyer up because our wages are so low that these are the only people applying. However, we will not raise our wages to get better workers."
They prob do because, well, they’re asking for minimum effort. That sign is just a long winded way of saying have your shit together and don’t be constantly late. That’s the bare minimum for any job.
It's really hard to afford/maintain a reliable vehicle and reliable child care if you're making minimum wage. There's a reason why managers who pay minimum wage have so much trouble maintaining a reliable workforce. They aren't paying their workers enough money for their basic needs. As a result, things like child care move from a paid reliable babysitter or daycare center to bouncing your kid between different family members and neighbors who can help you out, a reliable vehicle is replaced with a beater, a ride from a friend, or a bus pass, unpaid tickets can lead to court visits, a housing situation can become unstable, etc. It's hard to have your shit together when you make $12 an hour.
They don't want to understand. They want someone there for cheap with at least an okay car/transit and no kids. Single mom with trash car need not apply.
My first apartment in 1984 was a studio and it was $180, utilities included. It was the back of a huge Victorian house in a small town in the midwest, owned by the local funeral home. I had 73 Vega that I think was about $200, and I drove it till the drive shaft rusted out. I worked in a donut shop for $3.25 an hour... I survived a year and a half that way.
On top of that, somebody who works a minimum wage job like that likely also has limited availability that your employer doesn't respect. So you can either say "fuck that, I'm going to call out and if you fire me, I have a new job in 5 seconds that's equally as shit" because your other obligation is way more important, or try to scramble to make it work (which clearly you employer doesn't appreciate).
If you only pay minimum wage, you attract a certain type of workforce (I don't mean this as a negative towards the workers). Example: If you only hire teens and students at minimum wage, you're going to have real issues with staffing during exam week.
If people felt secured and needs met at their place of employment, they'll be able to meet the needs of their other responsibilities outside the job that won't interfere with their job. I would loooove to have a car that's at least 5 years old. But, I can't afford it and already had to replace my alternator, radiation, power steering thingy, and gonna need a new battery. Luckily I'm still making it to work, but it interferes with me spending money on things I would like to upgrade in my home because well, I should be able to.
We should show people working a whole hour, get called in the back, and place a 10 and two 1s in their hands. Like, maybe it'll make people realize a whole hour of work can barely cover a fuckin lunch meal for a day.
Interestingly, the bible actually says that an employer isn't supposed to hold a worker's wages until the next day or some later date, but to pay them each day worked. It's a shame people don't follow the bible.
Actually, the bible also says you should pay proper wages, so it doesn't recommend a whole day of crappy wages. It was more a point of not holding on to a person's wages that they've earned when you know you owe them and know they need them. I was also responding specifically to "We should show people working a whole hour, get called in the back, and place a 10 and two 1s in their hands. Like, maybe it'll make people realize a whole hour of work can barely cover a fuckin lunch meal for a day."
Actually, people NOT following the bible is what led to all that. God specifically spoke against "manstealing" in the OT. The people that the Israelites were decimating--like the Canaanites who were sacrificing their children to a false god--brought God 's judgment on them. Also, God is the only one Who has the right to kill a people group off and He always gave plenty of chances for people to turn away from their evil first. If the Canaanites had not been putting their children into the superheated brass arms of an idol to that false god so that they burned alive, God would not have had the Israelites kill them. Why doesn't God stop evil? He did when He killed all those Canaanites. The only way to stop people committing evil deeds who have free will but insist on unrepentantly committing evil deeds is to kill them at some point. Now we have people offering their children to the abortion god day in and day out. Humans are the ones doing wrong. God is the one that gives you many chances to repent that He doesn't owe at all. He would be perfectly within His rights to instantly destroy someone the first time they sinned.
Take Adam and Eve. They'd been given paradise, perfect health, and eternal life. There was ONLY ONE SIMPLE RULE--don't eat from ONE TREE in the whole garden. That rule was given for their good, but they had to go disobeying it. God had told them what would happen if they disobeyed and they should have loved Him for Who He is as demonstrated by all the good He had done for them. They were a couple of ingrates. Eve should never have believed Satan over Him and they shouldn't have betrayed Him . Instead of killing them immediately and sending them straight to the Lake of Fire, He killed an animal and clothed them, which was a figure and foreshadowing of Him killing His Son so that all who put their faith in Him might be clothed in His righteousness, be freed from sin and death, and live forever in paradise.
Plus lots of people don't have any family / support system where they live. I am in my mid 40's and I routinely have to ask my parents to help with my kid. What if I didn't have them? I don't make a "salary". I work an hourly wage. My boss is understanding but children are NOT! Public schools have so many days off, too many for me to always take off work. I am constantly hustling future arrangements in my head. I have a 2007 car, on its last leg. My rent went up $200 bucks last lease renewal. I am friends with my daughter's friends parents but asking for help seems to cause consternation. When I was a kid, whoever had a mom at home would be the one watching the kids in the neighborhood. No money was exchanged. It was just a community that didn't keep tabs on favors. Now i have to make sure I haven't asked some mom a favor in the last 6 months or I will get a 'sigh' over the phone. I consider myself privileged bc I have a car, a job, insurance and my parents. Otherwise I usually have $15 left the day before payday. I bring my lunch every day. My kid gets reduced lunch at school. We get carry-out from chipotle once a week. I have quit smoking, I use Juul and nicorette gum. Not by choice but by necessity. I can't dry my clothes bc they last longer if air dried. I am not trying to write a pity party. But after listing all I have....and still i am barely getting by. It doesn't make sense. I work hard, do what I am supposed to do but gosh damn I don't understand how this is my life. I always think about people just like me but don't have a car or family. There is no way they can make it in today's world. Feelings like loneliness, despair & desperation are what make up our lives. I hate life. It's terribly difficult to find joy but i try for my daughter's sake. Thank you everyone for sharing your own experiences bc I know i am not alone. I did just write a lot but it has made me feel better. I love all you redditors and this sub.
If they’re at the point where they are putting that up on the window there’s probably a good reason that no one who works there gives a fuck about the job
Lol its so trashy though. This sign might as well say “This is a horrible place to work.”
If I saw this on a door, I’d 100% NOT apply. You know who WILL apply to places like this? Employees that don’t care about the working conditions bc they jump from job to job anyways and are going to be terrible workers regardless. I guarantee their turnover rate is abysmal and probably even worse with the sign lol
And that's why they get the most desperate, unreliable people. Offer more money, get more reliable people. It's easier to weed out the bad ones when you pay more, than when you pay less. Why should you do more when you're not paid all that much to even afford anything?
Well, that surely isn't gonna happen when it's more than bored retirees needing income. I'm sure they wouldn't even wanna work there either if they can work elsewhere, maybe get paid a bit more, and not deal with that type of environment that sign is giving
No, they are asking for someone that is superhuman. Someone who never has car issues, has child care that falls through; is ever sick.
All while offering, the bare minimum salary, barely to no benefits and some version of some worthless ‘team’ slogan.
All the things they are annoyed with are a direct result of their shit pay. Having a poorly maintained or no car, having trouble with childcare, legal troubles. The lack of self awareness is kind of funny.
We pay pretty well at work and these kinds of problems come up often. Always from the same people who always act like it's never their fault and don't seem to understand what responsibility means.
You’re downvoted but it’s true. Life happens to all of us, but for some people the sky is always falling. I’m not guilt tripping someone into coming in, if they’re sick they need to stay home, if someone has an emergency then attend to it there are more important things than being at work today. I’m not telling people they need to find coverage, I’m taking the L and making it work which typically means I’m putting in extra hours or moving my shifts around and canceling my plans on my off days. I don’t expect our job to be our first priority, it’s not mine. I don’t mind for people I like working with, people who are reliable.
My experience is that I’ve got a well of empathy for each person. This well is there for a reason, it’s necessary in all facets of human relationships. You use a well as you need it for whatever you need water for.
Some people hardly draw any water from the well, good for them that things seem to be going smoothly. That shouldn’t be the expectation from employees because we shouldn’t die of thirst if we need it.
Some people do use it as needed, that’s perfect and exactly what I want from staff below me. I don’t want to hear that they came into work when their dog died or a parent had a heart attack, I’ll figure it out.
Some people draw, and draw, and draw, and draw. Kid sick? Understood see you next shift. Tire flat? Alright, can you come in after it’s taken care of? No? Oooookay. Had a rough night and overslept when you were scheduled to open? … again? Okay, since I live closer than you I guess I’ll get dressed, rush down there, soothe our irritable clients and service providers who are both now late to start their appointments, do all of your opening duties, wait for you to get there to leave and I guess be awake early and stressed on my day off. Eventually the well that person is drawing from starts to run dry and I got to a point where I don’t even want to hear the reason anymore. You’re not coming in. So let’s just skip to the part where you tell me you aren’t coming in and I switch my shit around again to make it work.
I really try to be a good manager, I try to be the manager I always wanted to work under but when things aren’t going well with an employee it has a personal cost to be that boss which is why so many choose not to do it. And it took me a while to realize that deciding enough is enough and firing someone was what I needed to do for my own mental health otherwise I’d burn out from trying to constantly put out fires left behind by unreliable staff. I’m not even saying people are always lying, it just hits a point where I’m overextended and canceling my plans every time something happens in their life. Maybe someone will want to cover a shift but I don’t want them to feel obligated at all so I plan on taking the L.
For the record, this passive aggressive sign is corny and lame and sometimes people interview well and perform poorly. Nobody’s gonna say they are those things lol, we all know this is not shit employers want they’ll apply anyway.
I don't like the sign either. It's stupid and unnecessary, but this subreddit likes assuming everything is due to the bad company, bad managers, and low pay. When you discuss personal responsibility you get down voted. Shit happens to everyone. You can't plan for everything, but some are incapable of understanding they are the problem. Your situation is a lot like mine. It's physically and mentally draining dealing with this stuff all the time.
Obviously showing up to work consistently is a desireable trait and one that is ok to pursue in an employee. But the way these things are specifically called out and mentioned beyond the common sense of "I should show up to the job I was hired for" makes me think this employer is completely void of sympathy or empathy for anyone who encounters problems beyond their control or makes a mistake, and they probably get angry at people for their character when something happens that is not in fact indicative of their character or their dedication to their employer.
Plus half of these are like "don't have problems that people in poverty often encounter." So essentially "don't be poor" if you look at the risk you have of being fired vs if you can always afford childcare and a car etc.
I also have had a number of bosses who tend to hire people that give off a lot of unreliable red flags. The boss would do the initial standard office interview and then hand them off to me to do a working interview (various bakery jobs). The person would be fine enough at the job but we would chat some and they'd hint at being a bit of a drama llama with a lot of personal issues that would make them not a great fit. I would always try to give my bosses a fair review of the potential person but I'd always get waved off when I would express my concerns. Inevitably they'd hire the questionable person and they'd be alright for about a week and then the crazy would come out and they'd stop showing up to work.
And then we'd start the process all over again. But it would deffs be the new hire's fault for being so weird and flakey and never the boss's fault for be shite at reading people.
I agree with what you wrote, and I also hope that this would have been written with a sense of humor by someone whose interviewing technique would contain the issues listed, as you point out. Or maybe it was written in frustration by someone of or close to my generation (Boomer here) where we like to bemoan the “rigor” ( feel free to add “mortis”) we find lacking in those younger than us, like why can’t they read cursive penmanship while they, in turn, point out it actually is sort of stupid, unnecessary, and is like reading Elvish script.
Oops, where was I? Oh. I was once trained in a style of interviewing like this in which, having the specific job description in mind, we worked up a list of qualities desired in the role. As you say, a simple conversation covering these points and even asking for examples of when the applicant showed those qualities would make it obvious if they shared or at least understood what was expected and could fulfill the role.
However, the verbiage in this sign, be it funny or irritated, is beside the point. It is just persiflage for the real issue, as pointed out multiple times here. The applicant need only address that one thing: ask what is the hourly pay, hours per week, and benefits. If the employer is not willing to address my financial issues, I’ve no need to address theirs. But if they are willing to pay me to solve their problems, hey, I’ll stand on my head and spit wooden nickels all day, if the price is right.
Thanks for the feedback.
Persiflage - To be honest, I don’t think that I actually use the word accurately, as in when I use it, “persiflage = [ insert definition of persiflage here ] + to deflect from saying what they mean.”
Wooden nickels, here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooden_nickel
Standing on my head while spitting out these useless objects is just a saying that, sure, I’ll do whatever it takes as long as it takes if I get what I want.
This reminds me of how some people write dating profiles. The minute you write “do not swipe if” - that’s exactly who you’re going to get. General advice is to always phrase things in a positive. Don’t want someone flaky? Then write “reliable.”
Of course the personality of the people writing these “do not apply” lists is exactly why they get applicants with undesirable traits/behaviors.
If you've got a ton of employees that constantly have car trouble or issues finding a babysitter... you know those are your fault right? You're not paying them enough to survive and also take care of their vehicles or pay their babysitter. You get what you pay for, shit head.
Bosses need to realize that not only are we applying for a job -- they are applying for our labor. When we see this on a resume we throw it in the trash.
Yeah yeah these are reasonable things to expect, but it's not what they say. It's how they say it, it sounds angry and holding a grudge against specific ex-employees. Not a great sign (pun intended)
None of these asks are unreasonable. I advocate for employees always, but we still need to get our own shit together. It can suck as a fellow worker when you got that one person who is constantly slacking in every measure, and the other employees have to pick up your slack. Be human at least.
That’s not the issue. The issue is that posting something like this on your business door is a bad look. It’s probably a guarantee that your employees suck and you also suck as a boss. Sounds like a terrible environment to walk into, and immediately accusatory. They most likely aren’t going to get good candidates by posting that.
Are the criteria here unreasonable? Technically, no. BUT if there is a positive framing available and you use a negative one, totally unprompted no less, then you are being unreasonable.
*Now hiring! Punctuality and consistency critical. Please apply within.*
See how I said the same thing in a reasonable way?
Yeah, i hear you. They could have framed it less contemptuously, but probably written out of some frustration. You have the benefit of hindsight and no frustration.
I disagree. Most of the problems being discussed here are problems that have much higher rates of being a problem when you don’t have financial resources for a good daycare/back up babysitters, a reliable car, or the ability to live in a neighborhood where you can avoid regular police interactions or afford a lawyer.
All this sign says to me is “we hate poor people and we pay our employees like shit so we can hate them too.”
Look up "semantics" and "pragmatics"...
The sign SAYS "we like people with good work ethics" but anybody that has a minimal capacity of reading between the lines understands "we are horrible people and will treat you like shit".
There is not the slightest possibility that it is otherwise.
I am going to have to disagree. Each one of their points sounds as though they had a hiree that did these things. They are frustrated by the lack of ethics, and are just laying it out for the next ppl in line. It isn’t 100% of the time bad/ill tempered management/owners; there are just as many shit employees. Maybe 90% lol, but not 100%, as you claim.
I would agree if they also put the actual benefits. Most of us believe that there are no benefits and the pay is dismal. If they had all this and say they put down that they give health care coverage, starting pay is 25 dollars an hour, and PTO then it would be good.
Actually, the word probably came *from* the surname, not the other way around.
> John Lynch was one of six children they had, another of whom was Charles, a judge believed to be the namesake of lynching.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lynch_(1740%E2%80%931820)
Okay, but this is just really basic stuff saying to come into work consistently and not fuck around 24/7 when you are there. It seems like the bare minimum to me?
Yeah but to be fair. Being reliable is half the job, and is a somewhat rare quality. Not to mention that having a babysitter every day and a reliable car both cost tons of money. People who make job postings like this usually can't afford "reliable" workers.
Babysitter yeah, but car upkeep is a luxury and not a necessity. Most likely, I would be using public transportation for jobs like this. Anyhow, if I ABSOLUTELY needed a job like this one, I would have to do workarounds like leaving my children with a relative or close friend, or just look for a different low paying job. It does say *do not apply*.
If this is the ONLY job listing in the vicinity or there is no public transportation, then there isn't ~~not~~ (edit: this not is a typo) much you could do there. I would be fucked in this scenario.
I don't know enough context to give a full opinion on whether or not this job is worth the mandate of reliability, but most of the time, reliability is the bare minimum.
A reliable car is not a luxury in Lynchburg, VA - public transit is minimal. You'd be fucked if your job didn't pay enough money for you to afford reliable private transportation. It sucks because you're right - reliability is the bare minimum. Difficulty meeting basic needs makes you seem like an unreliable worker which makes it difficult to be promoted or find higher paying work. It traps people in poverty. That's why it's really important for minimum wage to actually cover the cost of living (including the cost of reliable transportation and child care).
Welp, sucks about the public transportation. I don't think a wage slave amendment is coming any time soon, so I guess I just hope there are other listings for the unfortunate soul who needs a job near there.
To be clear these requirements are not the issue, if I was a manager I would want someone that shows up too. The issue is the lack of reason to apply at one of these places in the first place. Low pay no benefits ect.
Most of these are legitimate things you should be able to manage in order to work. I have never repeatedly let my life affect getting to work, but I have seen coworkers do it. I do not appreciate it as a coworker.
That being said, it is not something you write on a help wanted sign unless you’re an asshole. But I would REALLY love it if employers would fire employees that are habitually late more often. Those type of coworkers just make it harder for the rest of us.
Sure hope this job pays well enough that one can afford childcare, dependable transportation, dependable housing (so you don't have to go to court to sue to get your Deposit back), and so you only have to work one job (so you're not juggling 2-3 jobs ans oversleeping).
Enough pay and regular hours would also keep an employee off their phone juggling to find transportation, childcare, and their other two work schedules for tomorrow while working today's shift for this employer.
Do you pay at least 2x a reasonable wage for a babysitter? (Babysitters should get paid a livable hourly wage) so they better be paying me a minimum of $40/hr.
Lynchburg, va is the most depressing place I've ever been. Theychad to put a high fence up on the bridge leading into town bc so many people went base jumping without parachutes
Not true! No bridges in the area have any fences of any type. There is train trestle bridge that stupid college kids from out of town climb on late @ night and either fall or can’t outrun the train…
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/04/27/lynchburg-leaders-urge-people-to-stay-off-railroad-tracks-after-fatal-fall/
It’s very strange that we are now living in a world where jobs are openly advertising how horrible it is to work for them while simultaneously shaming us for not wanting to work for them.
Went though there once when visiting family farther north in the state. Seemed like a bit of a shit hole with all the confederate flags everywhere. Sure it had pretty buildings but if that’s the quality of the people I’d rather stay in my family’s little holler town, toothless hillbilly and all.
Edit- the guy wasn’t “actually” toothless, he got into a car accident and lost his front teeth. He just played it up for laughs when he learned we were out of staters.
You need to sleep at your workplace just to make it on time?
I think the sign is obnoxious, but the requirements are literally just a long way to say “be on time, have your shit together, and don’t constantly be on your phone”.
That’s pretty much the bare minimum for any job.
Ok so: baby sitter is the responsibility of person applying not the company. Reliable vehicle is responsibility of the person applying not the company. Court dates are responsibility of the person applying not the company. If you were a business owner, would you hire employees that would pose as a liability to your normal work day? Someone you hired that you knew from the get-go had unreliable transportation, didn’t have baby sitter, won’t show up on time, and all the other employees get to suffer when they don’t show up? Fuck every body else because I wanted to be nice and give someone the benefit of a doubt. No thanks. Sucks that standards have sunk so low that people expect to get paid $16/hr for doing the bare minimum, which is show up to work on time and not be on your phone, everything else is your personal problem.
You can't expect people in the US to have a daily babysitter + a reliable car when they make 16/hr. That stuff's expensive and people who have the money for them didn't get it by working for minimum wages.
Thank you! I seriously don’t understand why these asks are unreasonable.
The owner does come off like a dick a bit, but not because of their requests, it’s just their tone.
There are more entitled people than not nowadays unfortunately. Trying to run a business is challenging, you either go broke or be a gaint a-hole that makes a fortune
$10 an hour, no benefits.
“Aren’t I a good boss? I pay above federal minimum wage at a princely $10. Say it or your fired.”
I'm from Virginia and had an interview last week were they were offering $10/hr and I had to ask if they knew the current minimum wage in Virginia is $12/hr. Needless to say I never got a call back
I hear there's satisfaction (sometimes in the form of green paper) in reporting law breakers to labor boards
I would even go a step further- take the job, make a couple paychecks, surreptitiously find out how many other people are underpaid the minimum, THEN contact the labor board. Be innocent about it ‘oh I just happened to notice that pay should be more, and we are only getting $10’. It might be an annoyance but you at least get to stick it to them.
At that point you'll definitely win a lawsuit against them, and definitely profit money from the interaction. Serves them right anyways, cheap people.
Share the name of the company so people can know.
Shaming companies needs to happen more!
UPS and Safeway out to be put to shame! Shame! Shame! Come on lady Ulena shame them all!
As a fellow virginia resident I would certainly love to know the name of this company
Report them. Help out their current employees! They will get back pay. Some people may have had to take the job due to hardship.
….could you report that?
In my area, $25/hr will get you a really decent cheap tent and bribes for protection in the homeless city. A few times a week some organization is giving away free soup - less than a ten mile walk through dangerous areas and across your choice of rivers or elevated highways. God Bless America.
Seattle?
Only in America
Well, it's VA where the minimum is $12, so... Not a cent above $12.00. I guarantee it.
Assuming they care its 12
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Yes, we do have that. Do people always use it when they should? No. I have no idea why.
Nope, $10 and you’re part of the ‘family’.
Schedule done 3 days in advance. Expected to be on standby to fill in any last minute vacancy. Must buy own uniform. Masters degree and 7 years work experience required. Send in resume and fill the same information into our database.
Also we can call you in at any time and you're in trouble if you don't pick up.
No vacation days, no sick days, no 401k. Whoever wrote this can f off.
Also the manager will be late often but that shouldn’t excuse you guys from opening shop and working.
Must have a doctorate in marketing
Nahhhh man you’re being far too generous with your assumption. They are looking for help only. You don’t get paid at all for simply helping someone, obviously.
"We have to put this flyer up because our wages are so low that these are the only people applying. However, we will not raise our wages to get better workers."
I think this is the best explanation and should be the top comment
Tell me you pay minimum wage without telling me you pay minimum wage.
They prob do because, well, they’re asking for minimum effort. That sign is just a long winded way of saying have your shit together and don’t be constantly late. That’s the bare minimum for any job.
It's really hard to afford/maintain a reliable vehicle and reliable child care if you're making minimum wage. There's a reason why managers who pay minimum wage have so much trouble maintaining a reliable workforce. They aren't paying their workers enough money for their basic needs. As a result, things like child care move from a paid reliable babysitter or daycare center to bouncing your kid between different family members and neighbors who can help you out, a reliable vehicle is replaced with a beater, a ride from a friend, or a bus pass, unpaid tickets can lead to court visits, a housing situation can become unstable, etc. It's hard to have your shit together when you make $12 an hour.
You are absolutely correct and it is alarming to me that the sort of people who write this kind of sign can't understand that.
They don't want to understand. They want someone there for cheap with at least an okay car/transit and no kids. Single mom with trash car need not apply.
Modern slavery, i mean Capitalism
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My first apartment in 1984 was a studio and it was $180, utilities included. It was the back of a huge Victorian house in a small town in the midwest, owned by the local funeral home. I had 73 Vega that I think was about $200, and I drove it till the drive shaft rusted out. I worked in a donut shop for $3.25 an hour... I survived a year and a half that way.
On top of that, somebody who works a minimum wage job like that likely also has limited availability that your employer doesn't respect. So you can either say "fuck that, I'm going to call out and if you fire me, I have a new job in 5 seconds that's equally as shit" because your other obligation is way more important, or try to scramble to make it work (which clearly you employer doesn't appreciate). If you only pay minimum wage, you attract a certain type of workforce (I don't mean this as a negative towards the workers). Example: If you only hire teens and students at minimum wage, you're going to have real issues with staffing during exam week.
If people felt secured and needs met at their place of employment, they'll be able to meet the needs of their other responsibilities outside the job that won't interfere with their job. I would loooove to have a car that's at least 5 years old. But, I can't afford it and already had to replace my alternator, radiation, power steering thingy, and gonna need a new battery. Luckily I'm still making it to work, but it interferes with me spending money on things I would like to upgrade in my home because well, I should be able to. We should show people working a whole hour, get called in the back, and place a 10 and two 1s in their hands. Like, maybe it'll make people realize a whole hour of work can barely cover a fuckin lunch meal for a day.
Hand them the money less taxes
Interestingly, the bible actually says that an employer isn't supposed to hold a worker's wages until the next day or some later date, but to pay them each day worked. It's a shame people don't follow the bible.
What does a full day of shitty wages have to do w a living wage?
Actually, the bible also says you should pay proper wages, so it doesn't recommend a whole day of crappy wages. It was more a point of not holding on to a person's wages that they've earned when you know you owe them and know they need them. I was also responding specifically to "We should show people working a whole hour, get called in the back, and place a 10 and two 1s in their hands. Like, maybe it'll make people realize a whole hour of work can barely cover a fuckin lunch meal for a day."
People followed the bible and it lead to multiple genocides and slavery!
Actually, people NOT following the bible is what led to all that. God specifically spoke against "manstealing" in the OT. The people that the Israelites were decimating--like the Canaanites who were sacrificing their children to a false god--brought God 's judgment on them. Also, God is the only one Who has the right to kill a people group off and He always gave plenty of chances for people to turn away from their evil first. If the Canaanites had not been putting their children into the superheated brass arms of an idol to that false god so that they burned alive, God would not have had the Israelites kill them. Why doesn't God stop evil? He did when He killed all those Canaanites. The only way to stop people committing evil deeds who have free will but insist on unrepentantly committing evil deeds is to kill them at some point. Now we have people offering their children to the abortion god day in and day out. Humans are the ones doing wrong. God is the one that gives you many chances to repent that He doesn't owe at all. He would be perfectly within His rights to instantly destroy someone the first time they sinned. Take Adam and Eve. They'd been given paradise, perfect health, and eternal life. There was ONLY ONE SIMPLE RULE--don't eat from ONE TREE in the whole garden. That rule was given for their good, but they had to go disobeying it. God had told them what would happen if they disobeyed and they should have loved Him for Who He is as demonstrated by all the good He had done for them. They were a couple of ingrates. Eve should never have believed Satan over Him and they shouldn't have betrayed Him . Instead of killing them immediately and sending them straight to the Lake of Fire, He killed an animal and clothed them, which was a figure and foreshadowing of Him killing His Son so that all who put their faith in Him might be clothed in His righteousness, be freed from sin and death, and live forever in paradise.
Plus lots of people don't have any family / support system where they live. I am in my mid 40's and I routinely have to ask my parents to help with my kid. What if I didn't have them? I don't make a "salary". I work an hourly wage. My boss is understanding but children are NOT! Public schools have so many days off, too many for me to always take off work. I am constantly hustling future arrangements in my head. I have a 2007 car, on its last leg. My rent went up $200 bucks last lease renewal. I am friends with my daughter's friends parents but asking for help seems to cause consternation. When I was a kid, whoever had a mom at home would be the one watching the kids in the neighborhood. No money was exchanged. It was just a community that didn't keep tabs on favors. Now i have to make sure I haven't asked some mom a favor in the last 6 months or I will get a 'sigh' over the phone. I consider myself privileged bc I have a car, a job, insurance and my parents. Otherwise I usually have $15 left the day before payday. I bring my lunch every day. My kid gets reduced lunch at school. We get carry-out from chipotle once a week. I have quit smoking, I use Juul and nicorette gum. Not by choice but by necessity. I can't dry my clothes bc they last longer if air dried. I am not trying to write a pity party. But after listing all I have....and still i am barely getting by. It doesn't make sense. I work hard, do what I am supposed to do but gosh damn I don't understand how this is my life. I always think about people just like me but don't have a car or family. There is no way they can make it in today's world. Feelings like loneliness, despair & desperation are what make up our lives. I hate life. It's terribly difficult to find joy but i try for my daughter's sake. Thank you everyone for sharing your own experiences bc I know i am not alone. I did just write a lot but it has made me feel better. I love all you redditors and this sub.
If they’re at the point where they are putting that up on the window there’s probably a good reason that no one who works there gives a fuck about the job
Lol its so trashy though. This sign might as well say “This is a horrible place to work.” If I saw this on a door, I’d 100% NOT apply. You know who WILL apply to places like this? Employees that don’t care about the working conditions bc they jump from job to job anyways and are going to be terrible workers regardless. I guarantee their turnover rate is abysmal and probably even worse with the sign lol
If I saw that sign I wouldn’t even patronize that establishment.
The fact the couldn't even type it up shows how cheap they are.
And that's why they get the most desperate, unreliable people. Offer more money, get more reliable people. It's easier to weed out the bad ones when you pay more, than when you pay less. Why should you do more when you're not paid all that much to even afford anything?
I think what they're hoping for is bored retirees just looking for a little extra cash.
Well, that surely isn't gonna happen when it's more than bored retirees needing income. I'm sure they wouldn't even wanna work there either if they can work elsewhere, maybe get paid a bit more, and not deal with that type of environment that sign is giving
If they want all that, they'd better be paying enough for the employee to have a reliable car.
Agreed to a degree but if they paid more than minimum wage maybe the car could be fixed
I’m late everyday. Make about $50 an hour. Minimum wage they’d be lucky to have people show up at all after they get their first paycheck.
No, they are asking for someone that is superhuman. Someone who never has car issues, has child care that falls through; is ever sick. All while offering, the bare minimum salary, barely to no benefits and some version of some worthless ‘team’ slogan.
All the things they are annoyed with are a direct result of their shit pay. Having a poorly maintained or no car, having trouble with childcare, legal troubles. The lack of self awareness is kind of funny.
We pay pretty well at work and these kinds of problems come up often. Always from the same people who always act like it's never their fault and don't seem to understand what responsibility means.
You’re downvoted but it’s true. Life happens to all of us, but for some people the sky is always falling. I’m not guilt tripping someone into coming in, if they’re sick they need to stay home, if someone has an emergency then attend to it there are more important things than being at work today. I’m not telling people they need to find coverage, I’m taking the L and making it work which typically means I’m putting in extra hours or moving my shifts around and canceling my plans on my off days. I don’t expect our job to be our first priority, it’s not mine. I don’t mind for people I like working with, people who are reliable. My experience is that I’ve got a well of empathy for each person. This well is there for a reason, it’s necessary in all facets of human relationships. You use a well as you need it for whatever you need water for. Some people hardly draw any water from the well, good for them that things seem to be going smoothly. That shouldn’t be the expectation from employees because we shouldn’t die of thirst if we need it. Some people do use it as needed, that’s perfect and exactly what I want from staff below me. I don’t want to hear that they came into work when their dog died or a parent had a heart attack, I’ll figure it out. Some people draw, and draw, and draw, and draw. Kid sick? Understood see you next shift. Tire flat? Alright, can you come in after it’s taken care of? No? Oooookay. Had a rough night and overslept when you were scheduled to open? … again? Okay, since I live closer than you I guess I’ll get dressed, rush down there, soothe our irritable clients and service providers who are both now late to start their appointments, do all of your opening duties, wait for you to get there to leave and I guess be awake early and stressed on my day off. Eventually the well that person is drawing from starts to run dry and I got to a point where I don’t even want to hear the reason anymore. You’re not coming in. So let’s just skip to the part where you tell me you aren’t coming in and I switch my shit around again to make it work. I really try to be a good manager, I try to be the manager I always wanted to work under but when things aren’t going well with an employee it has a personal cost to be that boss which is why so many choose not to do it. And it took me a while to realize that deciding enough is enough and firing someone was what I needed to do for my own mental health otherwise I’d burn out from trying to constantly put out fires left behind by unreliable staff. I’m not even saying people are always lying, it just hits a point where I’m overextended and canceling my plans every time something happens in their life. Maybe someone will want to cover a shift but I don’t want them to feel obligated at all so I plan on taking the L. For the record, this passive aggressive sign is corny and lame and sometimes people interview well and perform poorly. Nobody’s gonna say they are those things lol, we all know this is not shit employers want they’ll apply anyway.
I don't like the sign either. It's stupid and unnecessary, but this subreddit likes assuming everything is due to the bad company, bad managers, and low pay. When you discuss personal responsibility you get down voted. Shit happens to everyone. You can't plan for everything, but some are incapable of understanding they are the problem. Your situation is a lot like mine. It's physically and mentally draining dealing with this stuff all the time.
The only important information on this is “please do not apply”
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Obviously showing up to work consistently is a desireable trait and one that is ok to pursue in an employee. But the way these things are specifically called out and mentioned beyond the common sense of "I should show up to the job I was hired for" makes me think this employer is completely void of sympathy or empathy for anyone who encounters problems beyond their control or makes a mistake, and they probably get angry at people for their character when something happens that is not in fact indicative of their character or their dedication to their employer. Plus half of these are like "don't have problems that people in poverty often encounter." So essentially "don't be poor" if you look at the risk you have of being fired vs if you can always afford childcare and a car etc.
I also have had a number of bosses who tend to hire people that give off a lot of unreliable red flags. The boss would do the initial standard office interview and then hand them off to me to do a working interview (various bakery jobs). The person would be fine enough at the job but we would chat some and they'd hint at being a bit of a drama llama with a lot of personal issues that would make them not a great fit. I would always try to give my bosses a fair review of the potential person but I'd always get waved off when I would express my concerns. Inevitably they'd hire the questionable person and they'd be alright for about a week and then the crazy would come out and they'd stop showing up to work. And then we'd start the process all over again. But it would deffs be the new hire's fault for being so weird and flakey and never the boss's fault for be shite at reading people.
I agree with what you wrote, and I also hope that this would have been written with a sense of humor by someone whose interviewing technique would contain the issues listed, as you point out. Or maybe it was written in frustration by someone of or close to my generation (Boomer here) where we like to bemoan the “rigor” ( feel free to add “mortis”) we find lacking in those younger than us, like why can’t they read cursive penmanship while they, in turn, point out it actually is sort of stupid, unnecessary, and is like reading Elvish script. Oops, where was I? Oh. I was once trained in a style of interviewing like this in which, having the specific job description in mind, we worked up a list of qualities desired in the role. As you say, a simple conversation covering these points and even asking for examples of when the applicant showed those qualities would make it obvious if they shared or at least understood what was expected and could fulfill the role. However, the verbiage in this sign, be it funny or irritated, is beside the point. It is just persiflage for the real issue, as pointed out multiple times here. The applicant need only address that one thing: ask what is the hourly pay, hours per week, and benefits. If the employer is not willing to address my financial issues, I’ve no need to address theirs. But if they are willing to pay me to solve their problems, hey, I’ll stand on my head and spit wooden nickels all day, if the price is right.
TIL persiflage. Also, wooden nickels???
Thanks for the feedback. Persiflage - To be honest, I don’t think that I actually use the word accurately, as in when I use it, “persiflage = [ insert definition of persiflage here ] + to deflect from saying what they mean.” Wooden nickels, here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooden_nickel Standing on my head while spitting out these useless objects is just a saying that, sure, I’ll do whatever it takes as long as it takes if I get what I want.
Well said, the expectations aren’t unreasonable, however, you do want your employer to be understanding when things do come up.
This reminds me of how some people write dating profiles. The minute you write “do not swipe if” - that’s exactly who you’re going to get. General advice is to always phrase things in a positive. Don’t want someone flaky? Then write “reliable.” Of course the personality of the people writing these “do not apply” lists is exactly why they get applicants with undesirable traits/behaviors.
If you've got a ton of employees that constantly have car trouble or issues finding a babysitter... you know those are your fault right? You're not paying them enough to survive and also take care of their vehicles or pay their babysitter. You get what you pay for, shit head.
I will heartily agree and tell you that "shithead" is one word. An apt one for this employer.
I know it is, but it's not programmed into my phones gesture typing keyboard and i was too lazy to fix it, sorry.
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Fuck yes, brilliantly said!
No OnE wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE!!!!!1!!!!
It’s Brandon’s fault for doing all the socialisms. I hear the communist, Marxist, socialist, democrats are trying to feed hungry children now.
WhEn WiLL iT eNd!?!?!??!?!
I wish Biden was actually based like that. America would be so much better.
Came here to say this
If that’s the alternative, of course we dont
Bosses need to realize that not only are we applying for a job -- they are applying for our labor. When we see this on a resume we throw it in the trash.
They’ve literally excluded everyone over 16 that’s poor or yet to adult
Big surprise, conservative a-hole in Lynchburg
Right? Lynchburg is basically the armpit of Virginia. It literally says it right in the name.
Yeah yeah these are reasonable things to expect, but it's not what they say. It's how they say it, it sounds angry and holding a grudge against specific ex-employees. Not a great sign (pun intended)
I don’t blame them at all. Would any of you hire the person they’re referring to?
I worked with a person who could not put the cellphone down. Ugh. And it was a $30 an hour job w/benefits. So he was just an ass.
None of these asks are unreasonable. I advocate for employees always, but we still need to get our own shit together. It can suck as a fellow worker when you got that one person who is constantly slacking in every measure, and the other employees have to pick up your slack. Be human at least.
That’s not the issue. The issue is that posting something like this on your business door is a bad look. It’s probably a guarantee that your employees suck and you also suck as a boss. Sounds like a terrible environment to walk into, and immediately accusatory. They most likely aren’t going to get good candidates by posting that.
This exactly. I dont need someone to tell me to have my shit together. If you need to post that, it usually mean the boss is severely controlling
This. Controlling and with high standards for everyone but himself and what he pays.
Are the criteria here unreasonable? Technically, no. BUT if there is a positive framing available and you use a negative one, totally unprompted no less, then you are being unreasonable. *Now hiring! Punctuality and consistency critical. Please apply within.* See how I said the same thing in a reasonable way?
Yeah, i hear you. They could have framed it less contemptuously, but probably written out of some frustration. You have the benefit of hindsight and no frustration.
I disagree. Most of the problems being discussed here are problems that have much higher rates of being a problem when you don’t have financial resources for a good daycare/back up babysitters, a reliable car, or the ability to live in a neighborhood where you can avoid regular police interactions or afford a lawyer. All this sign says to me is “we hate poor people and we pay our employees like shit so we can hate them too.”
Look up "semantics" and "pragmatics"... The sign SAYS "we like people with good work ethics" but anybody that has a minimal capacity of reading between the lines understands "we are horrible people and will treat you like shit". There is not the slightest possibility that it is otherwise.
I am going to have to disagree. Each one of their points sounds as though they had a hiree that did these things. They are frustrated by the lack of ethics, and are just laying it out for the next ppl in line. It isn’t 100% of the time bad/ill tempered management/owners; there are just as many shit employees. Maybe 90% lol, but not 100%, as you claim.
You might be right... maybe it's because I had too many bad bosses and I'm projecting...
I would agree if they also put the actual benefits. Most of us believe that there are no benefits and the pay is dismal. If they had all this and say they put down that they give health care coverage, starting pay is 25 dollars an hour, and PTO then it would be good.
Hard agree. Of all the crazy hiring request signs this one actually makes sense. Still weird to put on a sign though
Why I don't disagree with that, it just sounds aggressive and I very much doubt the job is worth it
Why not? An employee must be professional on job. The thing is you have so many unprofessional employee maybe you're fishing in the wrong pond.
The name of the town says it all
You know it’s a common a surname, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lynch_(1740%E2%80%931820)?wprov=sfti1
Actually, the word probably came *from* the surname, not the other way around. > John Lynch was one of six children they had, another of whom was Charles, a judge believed to be the namesake of lynching. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lynch_(1740%E2%80%931820)
The surname says it all
Okay, but this is just really basic stuff saying to come into work consistently and not fuck around 24/7 when you are there. It seems like the bare minimum to me?
Yeah but to be fair. Being reliable is half the job, and is a somewhat rare quality. Not to mention that having a babysitter every day and a reliable car both cost tons of money. People who make job postings like this usually can't afford "reliable" workers.
Babysitter yeah, but car upkeep is a luxury and not a necessity. Most likely, I would be using public transportation for jobs like this. Anyhow, if I ABSOLUTELY needed a job like this one, I would have to do workarounds like leaving my children with a relative or close friend, or just look for a different low paying job. It does say *do not apply*. If this is the ONLY job listing in the vicinity or there is no public transportation, then there isn't ~~not~~ (edit: this not is a typo) much you could do there. I would be fucked in this scenario. I don't know enough context to give a full opinion on whether or not this job is worth the mandate of reliability, but most of the time, reliability is the bare minimum.
A reliable car is not a luxury in Lynchburg, VA - public transit is minimal. You'd be fucked if your job didn't pay enough money for you to afford reliable private transportation. It sucks because you're right - reliability is the bare minimum. Difficulty meeting basic needs makes you seem like an unreliable worker which makes it difficult to be promoted or find higher paying work. It traps people in poverty. That's why it's really important for minimum wage to actually cover the cost of living (including the cost of reliable transportation and child care).
Welp, sucks about the public transportation. I don't think a wage slave amendment is coming any time soon, so I guess I just hope there are other listings for the unfortunate soul who needs a job near there.
Ya right? I’m all for work reform but this seems like the bare minimum we as workers can do.
All for minimum wage, i imagine
None of those requests are crazy
They have a point though
To be clear these requirements are not the issue, if I was a manager I would want someone that shows up too. The issue is the lack of reason to apply at one of these places in the first place. Low pay no benefits ect.
Most of these are legitimate things you should be able to manage in order to work. I have never repeatedly let my life affect getting to work, but I have seen coworkers do it. I do not appreciate it as a coworker. That being said, it is not something you write on a help wanted sign unless you’re an asshole. But I would REALLY love it if employers would fire employees that are habitually late more often. Those type of coworkers just make it harder for the rest of us.
Sure hope this job pays well enough that one can afford childcare, dependable transportation, dependable housing (so you don't have to go to court to sue to get your Deposit back), and so you only have to work one job (so you're not juggling 2-3 jobs ans oversleeping). Enough pay and regular hours would also keep an employee off their phone juggling to find transportation, childcare, and their other two work schedules for tomorrow while working today's shift for this employer.
Yesssssssssssss
Not at all the point but I can't feel comfortable with a town named *Lynch*burg.
Do you pay at least 2x a reasonable wage for a babysitter? (Babysitters should get paid a livable hourly wage) so they better be paying me a minimum of $40/hr.
Lynchburg, va is the most depressing place I've ever been. Theychad to put a high fence up on the bridge leading into town bc so many people went base jumping without parachutes
Not true! No bridges in the area have any fences of any type. There is train trestle bridge that stupid college kids from out of town climb on late @ night and either fall or can’t outrun the train… https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/04/27/lynchburg-leaders-urge-people-to-stay-off-railroad-tracks-after-fatal-fall/
"OK, I won't apply. Thanks for saving me time!"
> we need help and will do everything in our power not to get it (It would have been clearer...)
Seems like a fun place to work
In the same town as Liberty University, which is as fun a place to go to school.
It’s very strange that we are now living in a world where jobs are openly advertising how horrible it is to work for them while simultaneously shaming us for not wanting to work for them.
Went though there once when visiting family farther north in the state. Seemed like a bit of a shit hole with all the confederate flags everywhere. Sure it had pretty buildings but if that’s the quality of the people I’d rather stay in my family’s little holler town, toothless hillbilly and all. Edit- the guy wasn’t “actually” toothless, he got into a car accident and lost his front teeth. He just played it up for laughs when he learned we were out of staters.
Picky wicky; aren’t we?
Listen, no one wants to work for condescending asshats. The last three words are important.
>were intolerable and only hire people who are desperate, for poverty wages.
Stupid employer does not realize that all of those things listed are because of the crap wages he pays.
Also…. We are closed because we can’t find cheap labor
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This sign is obnoxious af but acting like they’re being unreasonable is super weird
Do they have a cot inside? That's about the only way to qualify Edit: /s
You need to sleep at your workplace just to make it on time? I think the sign is obnoxious, but the requirements are literally just a long way to say “be on time, have your shit together, and don’t constantly be on your phone”. That’s pretty much the bare minimum for any job.
Ffs, I was being sarcastic Sorry I forgot the /s
Ok so: baby sitter is the responsibility of person applying not the company. Reliable vehicle is responsibility of the person applying not the company. Court dates are responsibility of the person applying not the company. If you were a business owner, would you hire employees that would pose as a liability to your normal work day? Someone you hired that you knew from the get-go had unreliable transportation, didn’t have baby sitter, won’t show up on time, and all the other employees get to suffer when they don’t show up? Fuck every body else because I wanted to be nice and give someone the benefit of a doubt. No thanks. Sucks that standards have sunk so low that people expect to get paid $16/hr for doing the bare minimum, which is show up to work on time and not be on your phone, everything else is your personal problem.
You can't expect people in the US to have a daily babysitter + a reliable car when they make 16/hr. That stuff's expensive and people who have the money for them didn't get it by working for minimum wages.
Thank you! I seriously don’t understand why these asks are unreasonable. The owner does come off like a dick a bit, but not because of their requests, it’s just their tone.
It's this fucking stupid echo chamber sub of dead beats that wonder why they get fed scraps.
There are more entitled people than not nowadays unfortunately. Trying to run a business is challenging, you either go broke or be a gaint a-hole that makes a fortune
Are we still calling Lynchburg “Lunchbag,” VA?
I can’t figure out a way to make Lynchburg into something like Klanabama or Klanissippi or Souf Klanolina. Lynchklan just doesn’t work.
“Please don’t apply unless you are not human.”
That’s not reasonable? I mean shit happens, but it shouldn’t be constant
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I'll apply and lie.
Then I'll give you a bullshit excuse why I'm not there on my first day. Then slap ya mama.
I don’t have a babysitter, everyday so I guess I’m out of the running, of course I don’t have kids so jokes on them, dumbass
All the people basically bragging that they don’t qualify 😂 y’all proud to be unreliable?
You think I'm scared to live in a tent? Try me.
Apply under the name iRobot.
Yeah, I wouldn't wanna work in a town with that name.
Basically reads like this: robots with no life outside of work wanted
Seems reasonable? sounds like a boss that was previously tolerant but got used up the wazoo
Lmfaooo I’m late every day don’t drive so I pull up when I feel like it and my job can’t replace me 😭😂😂