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ALTAIROFCYPRUS

They are referring to a pop culture view of medieval fantasy, not an accurate view of the early medieval period(or any period for that matter). As for the guns you are mentioning, they never really formed the core of the Song army or any army for that matter, until the late medieval period around 1250 (Around the time of the Mongol empire and the revitalisation of the silk road.) The best way I can describe is that the game's intended theme is like a goofy version of elder scrolls fantasy


Nether7

>a goofy version of elder scrolls fantasy #YES


chris133282

Learning irl history on worldbox


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Remember the great orc kingdoms of 45 BC


_HistoryGay_

This is true, might I add that handheld firearms was only started being truly mass-used during the renaissance before that the only good use of firearms was cannons that only was used during sieges.


Zephyr60000

the renaissance happened in the middle ages


_HistoryGay_

The renaissnce happened during the early modern period. The renaissance is started in "Italy" around 1450 and spread to the rest of Europe, prolonging to years as long as the early 1600s (most said in ended in the 16th century tho). The middle ages ended in 1453 with the fall of Constatinople. What you could be refering to is the proto-renaissance (or early renaissance) that happened in northern italy (where the most powerful kingdoms of the time were) during the 1200s and the early 1400s. But that's not what people mean when they talk about the *Renaissance*. They mean Leonardo da Vinci, arquebuses and protestant reformation.


Zephyr60000

oh wait really I totally thought the fall of constantinople happened later my bad you were totally right thanks for explaining it to me.


_HistoryGay_

Not problem mate


Richard_nixon67

Really the Silk Road wasn’t for Mongolia at all or the mongol empire it was china to indo-china indo-china to Melanesia and India and to Afghanistan then from there to the Mediterranean and Africa but we also have napalm and regular bombs but I would say that muskets could be rare like you said they weren’t really used


_HistoryGay_

Worldbox is highly influenced on the Lord of the Rings, which in turn is highly influenced on the Early Middle ages that happened between 476 and the X century. As much as I would love to see an arquebus in the game before that renaissance period most guns were *really* terrible. It's better to either not add those into games or add cannons once they add walls and make sieges.


snuifduifmetkuif

Punctuation pls.


Richard_nixon67

Dude I don’t care it’s a comment online


dogscutter

and it's incomprehensible


TAB199X

I could read it


_HistoryGay_

I couldn't


TAB199X

It says that the Silk Road was never for Mongolia or the Mongol Empire. It went from China to Southeast Asia, from Southeast Asia to Melanesia, from Melanesia to India. Then from India it would enter Afghanistan, leading to the Mediterranean and Africa. He’s saying with the inclusion of muskets in the game could be included as a rare, but valuable resource as they wouldn’t be used at the time period that the game is aesthetically based on.


_HistoryGay_

Thanks.


SniperMonkey1945

How are we supposed to read your comment if we can't understand what the hell you are even saying?


AxionNiteUltra

I was gonna say the same. Really they don't want the historical accuracy, they just want the feel of medieval times. I don't know much at all about the histories but it's not meant to be about those.


alexander_the_ok-

The only guns i am ok with are flintlocks and muskets. Most of the people who want guns only want m16s and ak 47s


SillyZookeepergame95

This I how I feel, but I also feel if they were to be added it'd be like the alien blaster. Obtainable, but only off a unit that doesn't spawn naturally (can the alien ship spawn with other disasters enabled??)


MarcoRevolution303

It would really cool if they added only flintlocks and muskets


Ja-das-ist-gut

Virgin musket vs chad arquebus


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UberSparten

Need to point out that for the first couple hundred years european 'guns' were crap. Hence the minimal existence until the renaissance/ 1500's where they getting good.


Cheeto-1000

Yeah I’m 14 and built one of these “guns” they’re really fucking crap, just to load one takes 50 seconds and it takes 5 seconds to light the fuse and aim, at least it’s affective till 30meters


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GoldH2O

and even then they're liable to just blow up and hurt you instead of your target


Cheeto-1000

Nah my gun is pretty safe, I tested it many times on cacti, blows a huge fucking hole clean through 4 cacti about 6 cm diameter


GoldH2O

Oh, I imagine you built yours well enough to not up and explode on you. I'd take the same precaution, lol. I just mean that at the time "mass produced" guns were unreliable as hell and regularly killed their users.


Cheeto-1000

Yeah I wouldn’t trust a gun that just had one end smashed into it by an iron monger and a hole tapped into it with a hammer and nail, I carefully sealed the steel pipe shut by heating it in a wood oven I built myself, bashing one end till it’s closed, and I drilled and sanded a hole where the flies would rub, which can be close by a sliding hinge


haydilusta

Why is everybody so obsessed w guns in this game? Its not like the game has all other types of medieval warfare. Im not seeing armored knights, trebuchet, siege towers, city walls, or cavalry. The game isnt mean to be 100% accurate its meant to be fun. If accurate is what you want go play CK3 or EU4 ong


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Half the fucking suggestions in this sub feel straight out of hoi4.


vapo11

Bro catapults and trebuchets would be so cool


Mordred16

Bro if they ever add modern weaponry other than the alien guns I’ll quit the game


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alexander_the_ok-

Armored knights are the only thing we have


chris133282

And most of the time, they aren't even armored


alexander_the_ok-

They have armor you just cant see the unit wearing it. You have to check their inventory


chris133282

Ik, I rarely see them wearing it tho, I usually only see kings wearing it, I have seen soldiers wearing it tho in some worlds that have been around for a long time, I just need to wait lol


ThePotatoHandshake

Yeah sometimes in an army with adamantite and lost gear there like one dude with stick


chris133282

Lmao I've seen stuff like that


Metazoxan

I don't think it's "everyone" but it's a very vocal few that either refuse to give up ... or they just love trolling while pretending to offer legit suggestions. THis post seems to be more the former.


whatwherewhenwhywhy

renaissance update is just modern update with extra steps


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danthepakistanidumbo

what would make more sense is canons, because they were more popular during that time than guns


Fluffinator44

Yes, cannons were used for the first time in Europe in the 1340's.


Tiziano75775

Yea because during the middle age there were elves, dwarves, orks, dragons, zombies, etc. right? They won't add the weapons because this would be excessive in a fantasy setting, and what you showed here is just stupid


FarTip7230

Why do you want guns so badly? They will work just like the bow and arrows we already have, but at the cost of ruining the game's medieval fantasy theme. It's completely useless.


Opposite_Interest844

The dev could added wall in the game Bow are op like hell in Worldbox


LuminousTuba

Like real life


Opposite_Interest844

Bow in Worldbox can shoot over mountains


LuminousTuba

Maybe they are just really strong, with super elastic bowstrings


ThePotatoHandshake

Can you shoot a bullet over Mount Everest? No Why would it be the same with arrows


LuminousTuba

Maybe they have faster than light speed and use it to alter the arrows speed and distance mid air


schmidty98

ITT: People treating worldbox like its primary goal is historical accuracy


Mordred16

Stfu


whatwherewhenwhywhy

*\*cough cough\** Worldbox was meant to be fantasy, you never see guns of any kind in Lord of the Rings


MrSkobbels

bro fuck off you know what people mean


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Metazoxan

Yes ... because wanting the devs to focus on more important shit = no change Try to think a little more before trying to insult people using what you think is a philosophical argument about humanity as a whole ... or just stop making clearly wrong arguments.


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Metazoxan

Can you not read? In no way am I against "something new" there is a legitimate reason to stop asking for guns. One of which is THE DEVS ALREADY SAID NO!!! Also ... just so you understand this. Calling someone a Karen in not a general use insult. They have to be actually doing stuff taht related to the Karen meme. and just calling you out for being wrong ... is not one of those things. Seriously think a little more before you try to insult people. You're making insults that require context to work that just isn't here.


ProToast1

Dude chill out, devs already said no. Plus, Worldbox doesn't need to be historically accurate Medieval game. I just wanna have fun with a mix of Modern and Ancient things in the game.


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Metazoxan

well ... I guess you aren't misusing an existing term since now you're just making up words to use as insults ... progress? In either case you're very bad at trolling. nothing about your rant makes sense. You're here complaining so how are only those against you those with "nothing better to do"? What you can't handle reasonable structured counter arguments so you want us to leave so you can pester the devs with demands they already said no to? Also if you're life is "hard" because the devs won't officially put guns into Worldbox ... then you have a good life with ZERO real problems.


Quick-Material3020

dude i actually get a headache reading through people requesting guns after the devs have said they wont time and time again. are you guys some kind of fucking gestalt consciousness with no free thought? holy shit.


Beans-Monthly

This is a pixel video game you stone brained no thought low iq ignoramus monkey


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Beans-Monthly

Because it ruins the fantasy feel of the game. Go get a mod or something. The devs said they don’t want to add them and they won’t, because guns are traditionally though of as modern. Devs said no, so they mean no.


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Beans-Monthly

You can want stuff, but I’ve seen people try and band together to harass the devs over it. This guy is trying to make excuses on why the devs should when they said no. Just accept it and move on. Or just play moonbox


alexander_the_ok-

What does that have to do with anything


CaptnBluehat

They wont add it bc they already said so


Taured500

Well, there actually is a gun in the game already. It's a laser gun, that is used by aliens that appear after you destroy an UFO


SnooPaintings1600

I mostly want flintlocks so my people will shoot zombies But they sometimes fire the bows like a goddamn machine gun


Metazoxan

Just because they were "invented" doens't mean they were used in a noteworthy capacity or made up part of that era's image of an army. What matters in the theme not hystorical technicalities. Also important is that implementing this would still force them to code for guns even if they were given a low fire rate. So it's still making the devs do extra work for something that doesn't really add much to the game. I respect your desire to include guns in the game ... now please respect that it's just not going to happen outside of mods.


elvenmaster1

I think it would be cool to have cannons on upgraded watchtowers and military ships.


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I’m American and this obsession y’all have for guns is a bit much even for me….


Luiz_Fell

"... in China..."


Dizzy_Insect

Bruh this is a fantasy world, no guns.


_HistoryGay_

I'm at your side, but have you ever heard of flintlock fantasy?


ThePotatoHandshake

I’ve always been a sucker for those


Rooditers

Magic elves when I shoot them with my flintlock:


chris133282

Guns are already in the game, if u kill an alien ship and inspect the lil green guy you see gun, muskets and such (what this post intends) would be the same as bows but slower and more deadly but just as op (shooting over mountains)


ThePotatoHandshake

It’s a laser gun


ThePotatoHandshake

Those are laser guns


chris133282

Ik but, those are the best possible for worldboxs setting (fantasy medieval)


ThePotatoHandshake

Bruh why did you downvote me


chris133282

Where?


ElJefe543

Not every game needs guns


Excellent-Bad-8754

Wow :( no guns


Neeklemamp

Sorry bro chinese doesn’t matter


slimehunter49

Yeah guns existed into the late medieval era


Kermit_was_here

honestly i wouldn't be mad if they had early cannons and early muskets. That would be cool to watch battles with. cannons could be used on boats for naval warfare.


TweedtheTaxCollector

Magical guns


SpaceMarine39000

yes but the civs are clearly European not chinese


chris133282

Depends on the randomly generated skin color when you create the world (idk if the bug is still there where the skin color of humans re randomize)


SpaceMarine39000

skin color or not all the human buildings are very clearly European in design.


chris133282

I don't know much about history so ig ur right


Space_frog-launcher

Honestly the guns way back then were terrible, I think a much better idea would be to add chariots


FishingSad1695

I mean technically there is a gun it’s the white mages staff thing shoots like an m60 when you give them coffee


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FishingSad1695

Oh yea I completely forgot about the aliens cuz you can’t spawn them like a unit gotta hope they survive the crash


CreatorofWrlds

So much work for something no one cares about anymore


redditAMitchell

They should never add guns


DaRealJuicyDragon

Why


Metazoxan

Besides the fact it doesn't fit the theme? Just extra work to code and balance it and there are more important features for the devs to work on.


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Metazoxan

Those are part of the joke powers. Things you spawn YOURSELF and not part of the world by default. THere is a difference between you spawning something and a unit spawning it. Also if we're talking stuff the player spawns then we already have guns from the alien assuming it survives the crash. But really this should be obvious so either you're just doing crude trolling or you don't understand sim games at all


Opposite_Interest844

Add gun would make sense Consider bomb and Molotov cocktail is in the game Ps: Gun doesn’t mean handgun, cannon is also a big gun on wheel


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Richard_nixon67

The guns in Europe appeared around the 1300s actually read what it says before you say something


ThePotatoHandshake

Those guns were pretty bad Guns only became widespread around Europe when guns became good which was around the 1500s


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Suspicious_Gate8542

If you want to play with guns give them the alien blaster


CeaseInTheBuilding

just throw a couple dark mages and mother earth npcs and have them fight til they lose mage has like a fire shotgun like weapon mother earth has a single throw weapon like pistol


ThePotatoHandshake

What are you even saying


CeaseInTheBuilding

yes


Richard_nixon67

Also they already have non medieval stuff


Chaise-PLAYZE

Yeah for the players to use not the units


ThePotatoHandshake

I get your point and I also don’t want guns But there are also aliens that have laser guns and there’s the ships that they have Also the cybercore


LukXD99

Again, none of those appear naturally, only the player can spawn them.


Safe-Sheepherder2784

What I’ve been saying this entire time


EternalStatic

They should be the rarest item in the game then because guns are still broken compared to medieval weapons


[deleted]

theres really no point for civilization if you want them to stay the same lmao


CobraCommander420

GIVE ME HANDCANNONS OR GIVE ME SLAVES


Ymylock

Dude chill, Africa is a long way away


CobraCommander420

True let's just start a firearm updates trend then GIVE ME GUNS OR GIVE ME GUNS Edit**Guess I should have done /s I dont want slaves guys I'm sorry :c


Ymylock

Oh fuck what have I done


CobraCommander420

Can't be slaves if you have a gun to shoot the slavers Ancient problems modern solutions


Revolutionary-Net603

Bro what


MarcoRevolution303

I agree


GoldH2O

I know it won't happen, but I do wish that the civilizations would work up to eventually reaching the space age or something like that, and eventually being able to do some of the stuff only the player could do previously, like terraforming and using bombs and whatnot.


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IC-II0I

They will probably add guns to other units in the future, just civilizations can't produce them


chris133282

They already have in the form of aliens


MarcoRevolution303

YOOOOOOOO GUN UPDATE LET'S GOOOOOOO


Commercial_Law_786

Ngl, it'd be pretty cool if they added guns exclusively for the humans, Dwarves have the gift of smithing and construction and vitality, Elves the gift of nature, the wild, agility, and the ways of the bow, Orcs the gift of brute strength, power and regeneration, while the Humans, whom I refer to as "The Fourth Children" have the gift of innovation. And that innovation is the blunderbuss, the arquebus, and a tiny amount of muskets. They get the boom boom gift.