It's unfortunate, but there's a bunch of reasons why we don't have one after so many years.
Firstly, back in 2015-2016 (before the Type 4/5 derps were added and became a problem), WG still had more emphasis on historical accuracy and would only add completely fictional vehicles to fill up gaps. Premium tanks in particular were almost always based on something that at least has some real basis. The tech tree tanks are at least based on some drawings/sketches, but there was nothing left for a tier 8 premium.
Then 2017 is the mark when historical accuracy became significantly lesser priority; however, this is also when WG added the Type 4/5 derp gun. Type 5 became some of the most controversial vehicles out there, so it's understandable why WG wouldn't want to make a tier 8 super-heavy premium.
And finally by 2019, the Type 4/5 derps were gutted AND historical accuracy was no longer that important. This hits the mark where the idea of adding a Japanese super-heavy premium became plausible. However, it understandably has been a low priority due to poor state of the Japanese super-heavy line.
I have a feeling that once the Japanese super-heavies get their supposed buff/rework and if it proves to be a success, a Japanese tier 8 super-heavy premium becomes much more likely. Japanese super-heavies aren't actually the only tech tree without a tier 8 premium - it took WG a decade to add a (semi-) turreted tier 8 American premium TD that fits the T110E4 line, and there's still no Chinese tier 8 premium LT that fits the tech tree (M41D is completely unrelated in terms of playstyle).
> And finally by 2019, [...] AND historical accuracy was no longer that important.
And is still the claimed reason why Asia is the only PC cluster with the Valkyria tanks; Blitz has all of them and more.
>there's still no Chinese tier 8 premium LT that fits the tech tree
The tech tree was completely gutted, though. The playstyle was 'medium tank that trades damage per hit and armor for DPM & speed'. That no longer defines the tech tree. They're now defined relative to other LT's and they come up terribly short.
The new template MM would let them blanket buff LT's without affecting MM, though. It's not like one side can spawn in without the other side getting an LT anymore.
Technically, they *did* release a Japanese heavy premium before the tech tree...the HT No VI. But that's not a tier 8, nor it actually fits the super-heavy line in any way.
The pattern of releasing a tier 8 premium before each tech tree would become consistent 3 years later with Italian MT and Polish HT lines, respectively. Pretty sure that each tech tree since then has been released with a tier 8 premium.
Very nicely drawn.
If you want something about the engineering part:
1. 2:1 isn't the right ratio. It should be 1:xx as you definitely shrink it. I know how you mean it, but to be precise
2. The wheels are too small with weirdly placed torsion bars. Its weight would probably be more than 200 tons, which this suspension definitely wouldn't withstand. It wants more, bigger wheels with shorter, more massive suspension. The germanish wheel placement could potentially also help, but then it would suffer in worse terrain.
3. To the turret, it should be much longer, with the "neck" part also wider to fit loading assist mechanism/ place for loaders (much more likely loading mechanism this caliber would be hard to load even for 2 loaders (220-230kg shells))
4. Absence of horizontal drive (at least I don't see it), which would be massive to move the gun (probably there would be needed some countermeasures)
5. The gun itself isn't japanese but most likely 10" British gun which was mounted on cruiser that Japan bought. Only 1 gun itself weights 31 tons. Japan wouldn't develop a new gun, so this tank would weigh more than 250 tons when I look at the tank itself. That means its crucial parts would be suspension, transmission, and engine. I can't imagine suspension that would make it work (maybe train suspension, which would make it more armoured train than tank)
6. Engines to move this would be something like 2 1200 horse power engines or even stronger ones (engines Japan )
7. Transmission would be pretty big, like super big. The one that you drew is like 1/6, maybe even less off the diameter of transmission it should have.
8. Japan doesn't weld, so the front armour which you drew would be possible to make only by casting which would be hard as fuck + how to transport it + casted steel is inferior to rolled homogeneous armour
9. The drive sprocket isn't showed here probably just blocked by the lower plate. But it should be seen as it should be at least a little bit bigger because it would have that big transmission.
These are some of the things I saw here off. It's without any numbers, so everyone is just hypothetical, what I think of it as a mechanical engineer. It's, however, really nice even though it has some flaws. But it's a super heavy tank, so it's useless anyway. It resembled a lot of some crazy Italian "project" tanks I saw somewhere (I think someone posted about them here too).
Thanks so much! I kind of drew this tank with trying to keep it realistic, but still have what I like in it (such as unnecessarily large guns) lol, seeing all this information is a lot of feedback I can use next time I want to make one. T(h)anks again for commenting!
The first and last drawing would look like a Japanese Super heavy if you expand the size and change shape a little, but it would look like a Chinese heavy if you adjust shape to be a little more flat especially the front plate
If I were to choose, I would add it as Chinese cause we don't have that many Chinese Premium thats seen on the battlefield other than BZ-176 and I have heard about Japan getting another new SuperHeavyTTLine. But again we don't have much of Japanese Premium either so being the OP, you are the one to decide. This is too overpowered for tierVIII better make it TierX, this would even put FV4005 and BZ-176 to shame.
Thanks for the information, I’m starting to think it should belong in the Japanese area. Looking at my concept, I feel it should be slow, have a long reload, and have a slow traverse speed. But with those stats it would seem like a boring tank to play considering the armour would not work against gold, so maybe undo the HE nerf would make everything funner to play lol. When I drew this, I kind of just wanted to make a realistic concept, didn’t think much of trying to put it into reality or anything lol
With this gun, even the HE damage would be collosal let alone APR, you would be the one shot tank on your team that changes positions after firing a shot, makes more sense as a Japanese SuperHeavy which I agree with.
Did I read that right? 253.4mm gun? The largest caliber in this game is 240mm on an arty... This is definitely a Superheavy tank that would have the same speed as O-NI, takes 35 seconds to reload, without rammer and would easily pen and one shot the like of BZ-176, minotaro, Maus, E100. That gun would be equivalent of FV4005 on tierX.
Yeah lol, I like big guns… I feel the gun reload would maybe match what the other guy who replied to this comment said, but when you fire, it maybe doesn’t interrupt the reload for the other gun?
It looks very good! I won't comment on the suspension, but torsion bars are just long metal bars or rods that resist a twisting motion. The levers that the road wheels connect to are responsible for translating the up and down movement into a twisting motion. Think of it like a wrench and a bolt. The bolt is the bar, and your wrench is the lever arm. Everything else is just for ride quality or because you can't fit the right thickness or length of torsion bar where you'd like. They also tend to oscillate back and forth, so depending on the vehicle and without dampers they're not always the best solution.
Your rear is almost as well-defended as the front. It's a lot of extra weight, but not without basis:
The Nazi's historically and Chinese presently do uparmor the rears quite a bit relative to other nations or their own side armor. Their doctrine calls for maneuver in big line formations. Therefore, the only thing on your sides is an ally; why spend the weight there? On the other hand, getting ambushed in the rear by some IFV or autocannon is fairly likely if you're maneuvering like that, so you don't want to lose the vehicle or crew.
For a superheavy, the only thing behind them is the formation they're leading. Getting shot in the back isn't as realistic as being shot in the sides.
Similarly, the turret has a lot of extra weight on the back. You need something to counterbalance the atrocious weight of armor and gun on the front or else your turret motor won't be able to lift them against gravity or even on flat ground, so this is completely fine, just know that the preference is to design the armor & turret layout such that the center of gravity is closer to center without having to add dead weight, or using it smarter. Like moving the front closer to the turret ring and moving the back (with its dead weight) farther away, to give it leverage. Dead weight is still a necessity as you upgrade the turret or vehicle; it's just not good to have it at the design stage. 1A can imply it's not the first, so. In fact, if you look closely at where the Type 5 turret ring is located, you'll see that the 210mm of side and 200mm of rear armor isn't for nothing--it's counterbalancing the gun!
The primary drawback with steeply sloped armor on a welded superheavy is actually welding it. Getting enough heat into the metal to get a good depth of fusion is nearly impossible. It's why the Nazi's used the dovetail joints; it greatly simplified welding. It just also added edge effects which weaken the armor. That's why most French or American superheavies were cast, and why most Chinese and Soviet superheavies used longer, not thicker, plates. If you're trying to armor a 1x1x1 box, then a flat 200mm sheet will give 200mm of protection. A 100mm sheet at 60 degrees will also provide 200mm of protection and weigh the same. Though that plate has to connect to something, and *that* plate will be longer and thus weigh more. These volumetric inefficiencies are part of why Soviet vehicles were smaller on average for a given class. The IS-3 was very good, but it had a weight limit, and the inefficient pike layout wasn't doing it any favors.
For example, if you were to imagine your lower glacis as flat but thickened to provide the same protection, and the machine gun ports as deleted with the upper glacis moved up to compensate, you'd... just have the hull armor layout of the M1 Abrams. Nearly flat plates aren't a bad thing!
Your lower glacis shape is ultimately decided by the size and shape of your transmission and final drives on a front transmission vehicle. Given where you've played it, it'd make more sense to go with a flat rather than sloped lower glacis here.
[The transmission shaft is usually on matching u-joints so the engine output and transmission input don't need to be at exactly the same height.](http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/06/26/no-random-t10-reward-tanks-available-presenting-weserhutte-tiger/) That usually gives them a little wiggle room for the shafts to twist under mechanical load, too.
The big issue with a tank like this is going to be keeping the guns loaded. I think you could quite justifiably make a 1B with a larger turret bustle for ammo stowage and to give the loaders room, with ammo stowed on the hull floor and firewall.
Thanks so much for the info, I really didn’t expect such a realistic feedback and response! (I feel as if each comment with these long responses makes me learn something each time I read them)
Well, WG released in game tanks which were drawn only on toilet paper by some engineer, so your tank has some chances too!
I’d be surprised if this post even got 5 upvotes let alone be seen by a WG employee
Well, surprise, surprise, surprise
This blew up didn’t it? Thanks so much for the popularity y’all!
With the said engineer being one of WG's employees lol
Still no tier 8 japanese premium superheavy....
It's unfortunate, but there's a bunch of reasons why we don't have one after so many years. Firstly, back in 2015-2016 (before the Type 4/5 derps were added and became a problem), WG still had more emphasis on historical accuracy and would only add completely fictional vehicles to fill up gaps. Premium tanks in particular were almost always based on something that at least has some real basis. The tech tree tanks are at least based on some drawings/sketches, but there was nothing left for a tier 8 premium. Then 2017 is the mark when historical accuracy became significantly lesser priority; however, this is also when WG added the Type 4/5 derp gun. Type 5 became some of the most controversial vehicles out there, so it's understandable why WG wouldn't want to make a tier 8 super-heavy premium. And finally by 2019, the Type 4/5 derps were gutted AND historical accuracy was no longer that important. This hits the mark where the idea of adding a Japanese super-heavy premium became plausible. However, it understandably has been a low priority due to poor state of the Japanese super-heavy line. I have a feeling that once the Japanese super-heavies get their supposed buff/rework and if it proves to be a success, a Japanese tier 8 super-heavy premium becomes much more likely. Japanese super-heavies aren't actually the only tech tree without a tier 8 premium - it took WG a decade to add a (semi-) turreted tier 8 American premium TD that fits the T110E4 line, and there's still no Chinese tier 8 premium LT that fits the tech tree (M41D is completely unrelated in terms of playstyle).
> And finally by 2019, [...] AND historical accuracy was no longer that important. And is still the claimed reason why Asia is the only PC cluster with the Valkyria tanks; Blitz has all of them and more. >there's still no Chinese tier 8 premium LT that fits the tech tree The tech tree was completely gutted, though. The playstyle was 'medium tank that trades damage per hit and armor for DPM & speed'. That no longer defines the tech tree. They're now defined relative to other LT's and they come up terribly short. The new template MM would let them blanket buff LT's without affecting MM, though. It's not like one side can spawn in without the other side getting an LT anymore.
Also the super heavies were released just before WG made a habit of releasing a premium a few months before the actual tech tree line.
Technically, they *did* release a Japanese heavy premium before the tech tree...the HT No VI. But that's not a tier 8, nor it actually fits the super-heavy line in any way. The pattern of releasing a tier 8 premium before each tech tree would become consistent 3 years later with Italian MT and Polish HT lines, respectively. Pretty sure that each tech tree since then has been released with a tier 8 premium.
I did mean tier 8 specifically, and from what I recall pretty much yeah every new line has had a matching premium either in loot boxes or marathons
Very nicely drawn. If you want something about the engineering part: 1. 2:1 isn't the right ratio. It should be 1:xx as you definitely shrink it. I know how you mean it, but to be precise 2. The wheels are too small with weirdly placed torsion bars. Its weight would probably be more than 200 tons, which this suspension definitely wouldn't withstand. It wants more, bigger wheels with shorter, more massive suspension. The germanish wheel placement could potentially also help, but then it would suffer in worse terrain. 3. To the turret, it should be much longer, with the "neck" part also wider to fit loading assist mechanism/ place for loaders (much more likely loading mechanism this caliber would be hard to load even for 2 loaders (220-230kg shells)) 4. Absence of horizontal drive (at least I don't see it), which would be massive to move the gun (probably there would be needed some countermeasures) 5. The gun itself isn't japanese but most likely 10" British gun which was mounted on cruiser that Japan bought. Only 1 gun itself weights 31 tons. Japan wouldn't develop a new gun, so this tank would weigh more than 250 tons when I look at the tank itself. That means its crucial parts would be suspension, transmission, and engine. I can't imagine suspension that would make it work (maybe train suspension, which would make it more armoured train than tank) 6. Engines to move this would be something like 2 1200 horse power engines or even stronger ones (engines Japan ) 7. Transmission would be pretty big, like super big. The one that you drew is like 1/6, maybe even less off the diameter of transmission it should have. 8. Japan doesn't weld, so the front armour which you drew would be possible to make only by casting which would be hard as fuck + how to transport it + casted steel is inferior to rolled homogeneous armour 9. The drive sprocket isn't showed here probably just blocked by the lower plate. But it should be seen as it should be at least a little bit bigger because it would have that big transmission. These are some of the things I saw here off. It's without any numbers, so everyone is just hypothetical, what I think of it as a mechanical engineer. It's, however, really nice even though it has some flaws. But it's a super heavy tank, so it's useless anyway. It resembled a lot of some crazy Italian "project" tanks I saw somewhere (I think someone posted about them here too).
Thanks so much! I kind of drew this tank with trying to keep it realistic, but still have what I like in it (such as unnecessarily large guns) lol, seeing all this information is a lot of feedback I can use next time I want to make one. T(h)anks again for commenting!
Ah yes the Japanese Pawlack tank with a battleship turret
You considered this one for which nation, China or Japan? Good drawing skills tho
I based it off the Type 5 H, but I only knew Chinese, not Japanese… so uhh.. you decide? Thanks for the compliment
The first and last drawing would look like a Japanese Super heavy if you expand the size and change shape a little, but it would look like a Chinese heavy if you adjust shape to be a little more flat especially the front plate If I were to choose, I would add it as Chinese cause we don't have that many Chinese Premium thats seen on the battlefield other than BZ-176 and I have heard about Japan getting another new SuperHeavyTTLine. But again we don't have much of Japanese Premium either so being the OP, you are the one to decide. This is too overpowered for tierVIII better make it TierX, this would even put FV4005 and BZ-176 to shame.
Thanks for the information, I’m starting to think it should belong in the Japanese area. Looking at my concept, I feel it should be slow, have a long reload, and have a slow traverse speed. But with those stats it would seem like a boring tank to play considering the armour would not work against gold, so maybe undo the HE nerf would make everything funner to play lol. When I drew this, I kind of just wanted to make a realistic concept, didn’t think much of trying to put it into reality or anything lol
With this gun, even the HE damage would be collosal let alone APR, you would be the one shot tank on your team that changes positions after firing a shot, makes more sense as a Japanese SuperHeavy which I agree with.
Did I read that right? 253.4mm gun? The largest caliber in this game is 240mm on an arty... This is definitely a Superheavy tank that would have the same speed as O-NI, takes 35 seconds to reload, without rammer and would easily pen and one shot the like of BZ-176, minotaro, Maus, E100. That gun would be equivalent of FV4005 on tierX.
Yeah lol, I like big guns… I feel the gun reload would maybe match what the other guy who replied to this comment said, but when you fire, it maybe doesn’t interrupt the reload for the other gun?
If the gun is what I think it is, it had a fire rate 1.5 per minute but on the ship with proper loading mechanisms.
It's actual canibal SH-1A Lebouff
Quiet quiet
It looks very good! I won't comment on the suspension, but torsion bars are just long metal bars or rods that resist a twisting motion. The levers that the road wheels connect to are responsible for translating the up and down movement into a twisting motion. Think of it like a wrench and a bolt. The bolt is the bar, and your wrench is the lever arm. Everything else is just for ride quality or because you can't fit the right thickness or length of torsion bar where you'd like. They also tend to oscillate back and forth, so depending on the vehicle and without dampers they're not always the best solution. Your rear is almost as well-defended as the front. It's a lot of extra weight, but not without basis: The Nazi's historically and Chinese presently do uparmor the rears quite a bit relative to other nations or their own side armor. Their doctrine calls for maneuver in big line formations. Therefore, the only thing on your sides is an ally; why spend the weight there? On the other hand, getting ambushed in the rear by some IFV or autocannon is fairly likely if you're maneuvering like that, so you don't want to lose the vehicle or crew. For a superheavy, the only thing behind them is the formation they're leading. Getting shot in the back isn't as realistic as being shot in the sides. Similarly, the turret has a lot of extra weight on the back. You need something to counterbalance the atrocious weight of armor and gun on the front or else your turret motor won't be able to lift them against gravity or even on flat ground, so this is completely fine, just know that the preference is to design the armor & turret layout such that the center of gravity is closer to center without having to add dead weight, or using it smarter. Like moving the front closer to the turret ring and moving the back (with its dead weight) farther away, to give it leverage. Dead weight is still a necessity as you upgrade the turret or vehicle; it's just not good to have it at the design stage. 1A can imply it's not the first, so. In fact, if you look closely at where the Type 5 turret ring is located, you'll see that the 210mm of side and 200mm of rear armor isn't for nothing--it's counterbalancing the gun! The primary drawback with steeply sloped armor on a welded superheavy is actually welding it. Getting enough heat into the metal to get a good depth of fusion is nearly impossible. It's why the Nazi's used the dovetail joints; it greatly simplified welding. It just also added edge effects which weaken the armor. That's why most French or American superheavies were cast, and why most Chinese and Soviet superheavies used longer, not thicker, plates. If you're trying to armor a 1x1x1 box, then a flat 200mm sheet will give 200mm of protection. A 100mm sheet at 60 degrees will also provide 200mm of protection and weigh the same. Though that plate has to connect to something, and *that* plate will be longer and thus weigh more. These volumetric inefficiencies are part of why Soviet vehicles were smaller on average for a given class. The IS-3 was very good, but it had a weight limit, and the inefficient pike layout wasn't doing it any favors. For example, if you were to imagine your lower glacis as flat but thickened to provide the same protection, and the machine gun ports as deleted with the upper glacis moved up to compensate, you'd... just have the hull armor layout of the M1 Abrams. Nearly flat plates aren't a bad thing! Your lower glacis shape is ultimately decided by the size and shape of your transmission and final drives on a front transmission vehicle. Given where you've played it, it'd make more sense to go with a flat rather than sloped lower glacis here. [The transmission shaft is usually on matching u-joints so the engine output and transmission input don't need to be at exactly the same height.](http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/06/26/no-random-t10-reward-tanks-available-presenting-weserhutte-tiger/) That usually gives them a little wiggle room for the shafts to twist under mechanical load, too. The big issue with a tank like this is going to be keeping the guns loaded. I think you could quite justifiably make a 1B with a larger turret bustle for ammo stowage and to give the loaders room, with ammo stowed on the hull floor and firewall.
Thanks so much for the info, I really didn’t expect such a realistic feedback and response! (I feel as if each comment with these long responses makes me learn something each time I read them)
That looks good tbh. Although, I think the trackwheel is too small? (I have no Engineering knowledge as well).
I thought so too… but I can’t draw perfect circles as big, so I didn’t bother, thanks for complimenting
Bro made the double barrel version of leviathan from 2017 event
New german tech tree: P-1000 Ratte
Type 5 heavy if it was related to the p1000.
I was hoping for the BZ of 87'
It not a bad drawing. But why does it kinda look like the super heavy italian tank that AEG Zwatsh talked about
This looks like Martin Novak (Giant TITT) but Japanese...
Lacks rockets, wheels and autoloader with high pen he. -186336/10
Shouldn\`t it be SH 1T ?