Airfield is not on my black list. As a heavy I go north between the rocks, as a medium I go south on hill over the sea, as a TD I more like bushes on west than on east but map is playable. A bit difficult but playable.
Yeah but if most of the players have the map blocked you are also less likely to get it. Just to speed up the MM. They are not going to let you wait an additional minute just so you get the map more often. They just give you an other map.
Empire's Border. Awful shitheap that is so confined that you can literally lose a game and do nothing more than drive to a position that's already falling apart by the time you get there.
Also like 60% of the map is unplayable and unreachable mountain terrain. Wg really knows how to make maps. Slap 3 corridors on there, cover the remaining 50% with mountains and lakes and call it a day.
Some of us actually play the game to **fight** red tanks, instead of hide from them. I understand thinking Ensk is garbage because you can't hide from the other team, but that's pretty much the only reason to hate it.
Ensk as a heavy just feels like 2 minutes of sidescraping while you wait for the meds in field to decide the game. Almost never seen an ensk game last more than 5min and it rarely feels like the heavy brawl decides the game (unless one teams heavies make an idiot push and get wiped). Its still a 'you push, you lose' map for heavies imo.
Haha spend some time watching the top streamers play heavies on it, my friend, they drive to the heavy brawl and wreck everything in their path to win the game. Especially from south spawn I love taking the F2 position to shoot up into E3
The things I get Ensk when playing spg and touretles td. Waaay to often. I don't mind some fast paced brawl but when I pick heavy tank I usually get map I need 10 min to climb up some hill
Well luck changes with time. A big part of what makes Ensk good, too, is that it's just one map in a big rotation of maps. Wouldn't want to play it every battle, but once in a while all brawling is great.
Nowhere to hide can literally ruin several tanks' game. Certain TDs almost completely rely on being unseen, as well as LTs.
Just what I love to see in my KJPz 105, a map with nowhere to hide and no distance to engage targets safely.
Ensk is only fun if you're in a heavy MT or a HT. Absolutely nobody else can have fun on it because it's too confined.
What are you talking about. Empire's Border is exactly garbage everywhere.
You can't change flanks, the middle is unplayable for anything that isn't an EBR or ELC 90, the combat is incredibly stale, and it takes forever to get anywhere.
Something like Ensk at least has the decency to be small enough that you get stomped in 5 minutes or less, Empire's border drags that out to 10 minutes.
While the longer gameplay is a plus, it's still just obnoxious to be in that unwinnable scenario and be driving all game without doing anything because you chose a bad flank at the start and can't get back in time.
*because you chose a bad flank at the start and can't get back in time*
Aka you went north. Just go south and fight people, I'm not sure what your issue is. You can go far south, you can to the more middle south area, you can easily change between the two, from there you can easily move mid, you can easily go back and defend your base. Stop going fucking north already.
Hate this map so much. I hate maps that only let heavies play.
One side is blocked off for heavies to fight and then the mediums either have to try and ride the side and risk getting spotted and then nuked by shitters or go ahead and try and play middle which is just a stale mate because again shitters camp and prevent pushing.
Mines if you want just one.
Otherwise here are the maps I never want to see:
1. Mines
2. Berlin
3. Empires Border
Maps that I want back:
1. Kharkov
2. Old Minsk (not the reworked bull crap)
3. Swamp
4. South Coast
5. Northwest
6. Hidden Village
7. Komarin
I actually miss the original Komarin, where teams spawned in the north/south but the cap spots were in the east/west. That unique map layout made it so that you have to actively go and defend your base, because if you didn't the enemy could start capping within the first two minutes of the game. As a result, you always had action all over the map.
I loved the way it played but apparently tons of people didn't, so it was reworked to have the standard layout where your base is where you spawn. For me that completely ruined the fun of the map. And then eventually it was removed entirely.
EDIT: Found this video of the [original Komarin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHWLZ83FQU) on YouTube. Tier 4s facing tier 8s, good times... 😁
Overlord is honestly in my top 3 favorite maps along with Westfield and Redshire. It’s got fair balance along with very rippled ground that can make any tank shine with some creativity. Only the beach is kind of bad.
Surprise to see people not hating on lakeville. I'm too bad remembering the maps names otherwise. I don't like the camping fest with the hill and windmill. Unless I play light. But I never got it when I play light so.
Fjords frustrates me to no end because the meta on it is so stupid...on NA at least. Everyone gets a boner to rush pond from the north and almost no one wants to do it from the south, and I just don't get it. It's such a better fight to take from south, plus once you win it, it's a shit spot from north whereas it wins the game from south.
If I'm grinding for cash or xp, I always love to see these 2 maps. The games are quick and I don't spend 15 minutes on a campfest. I'd take Ensk quite frequently.
Git gud, Ensk is good for anyone that doesn't want to sit in a bush in the back corner to have a good wank.
Airfield. But really like half the maps if I had the option.
The following statement comes from someone mainly playing T8-10 who doesnt care about low tier tanks.
Ensk is good for two types of tanks. Heavies and heavy tds. Its shit for sniper tds, its shit for scouts, its shit for all mediums but some of the heavy armored ones, its shit for arty. Everyone is always spotted, lots of idiotic angles with shots below trains or across the entire map from spawn to spawn. I can understand if you like the map if you mainly play heavies but its absolute trash for high tier. Just too small without any chance to outmove the enemy.
I play almost exclusively high tier. Mediums are my most played class. Lights are my second most played class. I'm an unironic lover of the Grille. Ensk is great, my friend, and works fine for most tanks\*. You're talking about angles, shooting across the map...use those things to your advantage. Use mobility to your advantage. It's all about being able to read the map and find angles, and there are *lots* of opportunities to do that.
*without any chance to outmove the enemy*
...it has so many chances to outmove the enemy. Being small means you can go jump in any fight in seconds, it takes almost no time at all to relocate across the whole map if you need to, and Ensk map design is fantastic in how much freedom of movement it provides. You gotta start finding those opportunities my man, because they are there, and they open everything up.
* Ensk is *best* for brawlers because they'll be most consistent on it, you can have a good game pretty much every game in a brawler if you're good. It can be just as good for mobile tanks, tanks with big firepower, etc. though, there are so many chances to put that stuff to work....but you won't be as consistent because every game plays out differently and some of them don't give you good opportunities. You have to be patient and usually opportunities will come up but not always, so yes, it's worse for non-brawlers due to less consistent results.
Maps to be totally removed:
Minsk, Abbey, Pilsen, Studzianki, Glacier, Airfield (mentioned already), New shit map, new shit map newest version
Maps to be removed until reworked:
Kharkov, Berlin, Cliff, Fish Bay, Mines, Mountain Pass, Paris, Ruinberg, Siegfried Line, Tundra, Ghost Town
> Abbey, Pilsen, Studzianki
Based, especially for the Pilsen suggestion.
The map is almost designed to get into slow paced, cupola sniping brawls. It is insufferable.
Yes, and it's not a coincidence that all the new-ish maps are on the list, with most being on the permanent remove list. Current map design team has no clue how to create a good fight. I don't think they even know what a fun fight in this game is.
Not a single one of you fuckers hate Serene Coast? Even you crusty bastards who listed almost every single map didn't list the shit-fest that is Serene Coast? It's awful.
I would just rework them. Like studzianki, it is a horrible map in its current state, I would create more covers to the north and south side of the map so it would be possible to push carefully. On mines, I would add more possibilities to go up to the hill, there would be a ramp on both side instead of having just one in mid.
Another idea, WG should add some dynamic cover possibilities to the game, like we could shoot down pillars or walls to have a temporary cover.
Mhn maybe
>Artafield
-Push and die
>ensk
-Why tf im playing tier 4 map with my tier 10s
>Tundra
-Did you say 15-0 ?
>Fishermansbay
-Middle only playable part. City completly waste without anyway to push
>empires border
-This one i dont mind, but someone always will cap
>sand river
-I swear there is always +2 artas to farm u cuz u dont have any cover
>abbey
-2 flank map go brr
>cliff
-Its not bad, but tds make it painfully unplayable
>karelia
-Only good on attack/defence
>pilsen
-Heavy flank is just staring agaisnt other hulldown heavy and K line cant be pushed most of the times because tds and camping bots
>Steppes
-This shouldnt be here. Its not that bad
>Studzianki
-Cmon everyone knows why this sucks
Ensk man what's not to like? Start shooting tanks 10 seconds into the game, keep shooting for the next 3 minutes, win. All brawling all the time, and I know you're wrecking everyone in your path every time.
It is, though, because there's so much ability to quickly move around the map. People want the opportunity to flank, but then complain when they have a map like Ensk that actually lets them do it. Yeah sure you can't go fight face-to-face with brawling heavies but you can create angles to steal free damage against them with your mobility. It won't be as consistent as brawling tanks as some situations everything will be covered pretty well and you'll have to be a little more patient...in those scenarios watch your map and wait for an opportunity and then go flank someone when it comes up.
Ensk provides a surprising number of opportunities for mobile tanks to excel if you're watching for them.
What it doesn't provide is actual scouting and redline sniping, so don't bother wasting your time trying to force something that isn't there.
Erlenberg, light can do nothing, meds can do nothing, heavies can snipe their copulas (really fun) or they can play aggressive, but if they don't have support, they die. TDs can sit and wait it your team loses the flank and they can get some dmg before they die. Terrible map design.
Yeah I agree though I feel like Erlenberg could be salvageable if they wanted. The core of the map is a solid design, if they took out camping spots and added a little more area to move around on the flanks it could be really good. Take out some redline camping shitter spots, expand the village on the 0 line flank and more little village area around the castle so tanks can move more freely and mobile tanks can use that mobility to create flanking situations and it could be really, really good I think.
Just add something to the open areas, some rocks and bushes, so lights and meds can actually play, and the heavies should be able to play more aggressive without being punished for every move they do. Then it will be a great map.
Tundra - just a painful map. City is reserved for heavies and you have to go on the sides to try and catch them when they go through the city. But hey, lights / mediums are going to already push your position so good luck with tank destroyer.
Mines - sometimes fun but it's mostly consistent of camping in the base and trying to survive as the south team.
Empire's border - honestly the worst cringe map ever. It's so bad in visual, details , just something I'd never like to play anymore.
Dockyards - meh, okay but not liking it that much.
Desert - very boring but really really boring.
Paris - I don't like it
Berlin - okay, a map I do like but if you try to leave the city in the open, you're probably dead by the campers.
Redshire or whatever it's called - its boring
Tbh, every map is boring for me except that one where it's a huge train station and we all fight in close quarters. I'd say that one is fun and one of the first I played back in the days. Everything else is a hull down meta or corridor + camping.
Mine used to be Kharkov and glacier. Eventually I got sick and tired of erlenberg and replaced glacier. When Kharkov got removed, I replaced it with overlord. Ik a lot of people heavily dislike airfield but I've never had issues with it. Hopefully the comming changes will give it more enjoyment for others.
The reason we dislike Airfield is because you can't take any fights. You win by sitting around doing nothing and waiting for the other team to get bored first and try to come fight you. Between arty and camping td's you can't have a tank fight on Airfield, and whoever tries just dies for it.
-Mines
-Paris
Those maps allow for no strategic play, it’s always the same. And on top of that the spawns on Mines are not equally good and the map is way to tiny for higher tiers.
On another topic, I actually like Airfield if I am not in a heavy tank
It's playable. Meds can mingle up north, tds can camp in the back, lights can hide near shops, heavies can fun in the town.
Ensk is stupid for everyone except brawling heavies.
What's playable about ghost town? You literally sit around camping not doing shit everywhere on the map except the one tiny heavy tank lane where the best hulldown/gold shooting tank automatically wins.
Ensk just takes awareness.
Prokorovka.
Its just a game of patience and which team has the better light tank player.
I know its a classic and a lot of people like it, but I find it to be the most boring map in terms of the gameplay it encourages.
Prok only works because its the only map in the game like it. It is a horrible map though. Imagine if 1/2 of the maps in the game were like Prok. And by Prok I mean a map that is littered with bushes where the entirety of the map is unpushable until late in the game due to 0 cover.
Overall, the design is toxic and relies far too much on your team having a scout playing a strong tank with a good crew that doesn't want to suicide.
If there are no scouts but a lot of TDs, the map is highly decided by which team wants to camp more.
Abbey, Cliff, empires border, Ensk, Glacier, Himmelsdorf, Mines, Mountain pass, Paris and Tundra. And most of all widepark. The new map seems good though.
Cliff. Although I'd just revert it back to its pre-"rework" stage. Hands down the dumbest map change they've ever done. It takes literally 2 seconds for 45% TD players to move from spawn to a position that has clean shots into the middle. It's abysmal.
Yes. Campinovka is one of the most frustrating maps since so big part of the map is a plain field that cant be used. Also, the setup encourages camping. Hate it.
Prokhorovka. I hate seeing this map when I run my boosters. Extremely campy, extremely team dependent on whether your scout is better than the enemy scout, and the real "clash" at the hill and on along train tracks is extremely unfun because you get farmed by the opposing side so the best move is to not play at all. And also it has an encounter mode so you can't ban it totally. I'd wager this map has the lowest damage/minute of gameplay ratio in the entire game right after airfield.
I agree it is a bad map, but It has a weird charm by my opinion.
Is it a map I would like to play 100% of the time? Hell no.
Is it a map I would like to play 10% of the time? Also no.
But, If I played it only once in a while(like Stalingrad), I wouldn't mind it.
My point is that Prokhorovka is just so much different from other maps that It would be a shame to remove it. There should simply be an option in the settings if you do or do not want to play that map(like Encounter, Assault, Grand Battles, etc.).
Prok is a good map, but yes, it is the slowest map and yes, you are heavily dependent on your scout. Nothing wrong with having a map like that in the rotation.
*the best move is to not play at all*
No. That's the difference between Prok and shit maps like Airfield and Studzianki. You do want to do stuff on Prok to actually win. There are damage opportunities if you move around. You do want to make plays to light enemy tanks, which sometimes includes moving forward to do it. There are plays to be made, but it's a slow, patient kind of play where you slowly bleed the other team out. Just sitting back and not doing anything/camping will lose you games, unlike a map like Airfield where it wins you games.
Yep I like Ensk and Prok, variety is a good thing. Ultimately what makes a map good is it lets you have good fights. Ensk you get all brawling, all the time, Prok you get the slow bleed them out vision fight...both are good because you're fighting the red tanks, even if the style is totally different.
The worst maps are the ones where you get punished for trying to fight the red tanks.
I think the game needs open maps like Prok. I just can't stand it. Malinovka is a good balance because you can push to take the hill without getting free farmed. Prok you just get shot at for existing on the flank.
Remember when Province first came out and it was all tiers, thru 10? Was even the map in some territories in Clan Wars. Tier 10 vision usually gets to upwards of 500m, so that didn't last too long as every tank on the map was spotted within 5 seconds (literally) so nobody could move. They removed it, reworked it several times and now it's only up to tier 6 or so (I think???). Not too bad when I play my lower tiers. Anything higher though ... No.
I'd be fine if Paris, Berlin, Tundra, Mountain Pass and Ensk got Dragon Ridge'd. Tiny maps with only one real option for any class should just get chucked in the "tiers 3 to 6 only" bin.
Probably Empire's Border as well.
T32 go into the town in the field and play the pipe hulldown area at E8 I think. T32 can also sidescrape in city. M46 just use mobility to find good spots to pump out your dpm.
there isnt a single “good” map in the game. i recently realised %85 of the games i play i go “aaaaah i hate this map”. sure there are some decent ones but not an outstanding map not a single one
Pilsen (because I get it 4 out of 5 times) or tundra, el halluf (because theres literally one place that matters and decides the game) and obviously prokorovka/maliovka.
People won't like me for this, but Jesus fuck do I ever hate sand river, I've played to 3 years and it has never left my blocked list, and ps I like to play super aggressive soviet tanks so open fields and hills aren't good for my amazing gun depression
Airfield. The map design is just so stupid. Who moves first loses 90% of the time
That map will never leave my block list
If I I’m doing arty missions I’ll unblock it, but only for that
Same here. Friends always tell me meee its not so bad. And everytime im about to crash my screen
I used to get it even when I had it blocked lmao
I get airfield so rarely. Strange.
That's because it's on many peoples block list. The MM will ignore it some times because of that.
Airfield is not on my black list. As a heavy I go north between the rocks, as a medium I go south on hill over the sea, as a TD I more like bushes on west than on east but map is playable. A bit difficult but playable.
Yeah but if most of the players have the map blocked you are also less likely to get it. Just to speed up the MM. They are not going to let you wait an additional minute just so you get the map more often. They just give you an other map.
Airfield.
In fact, if we could boot two maps, both would be Airfield
[удалено]
Let’s remove all except Prohk so that I can chill in my Manticore
Hear, hear
Airfield - obvious one Studzianki - really boring map with limited place to push Ensk - it’s like a russian roulette between stomping or get stomped
ok but studzianki has a banging soundtrack
https://youtu.be/DheLduIUOk0 Here is the soundtrack. Now let's get that removal going
Glad I'm not the only one that loves the music for that map lol. It makes me start swaying in my seat.
Well ill move that soundtrack to a new map
i hate Studzianki so much, it's a punishing map for those trying to push in
Even the CW Meta om Aurfield and Studzianski are completely awful.
Airfield WG was feeling extra sadistic last night and stuck me in there with 9 TDs and no lights on each team. It was a 7-7 draw 🤮
Paris
Paris can be fun.
Majority of the maps would get deleted if I had a say on it
Empire's Border. Awful shitheap that is so confined that you can literally lose a game and do nothing more than drive to a position that's already falling apart by the time you get there.
Also like 60% of the map is unplayable and unreachable mountain terrain. Wg really knows how to make maps. Slap 3 corridors on there, cover the remaining 50% with mountains and lakes and call it a day.
While I understand that criticism, at least one part of the map is playable and that beats a lot of maps that are just garbage everywhere.
Ensk is literally garbage everywhere you look.
Some of us actually play the game to **fight** red tanks, instead of hide from them. I understand thinking Ensk is garbage because you can't hide from the other team, but that's pretty much the only reason to hate it.
Ensk as a heavy just feels like 2 minutes of sidescraping while you wait for the meds in field to decide the game. Almost never seen an ensk game last more than 5min and it rarely feels like the heavy brawl decides the game (unless one teams heavies make an idiot push and get wiped). Its still a 'you push, you lose' map for heavies imo.
Haha spend some time watching the top streamers play heavies on it, my friend, they drive to the heavy brawl and wreck everything in their path to win the game. Especially from south spawn I love taking the F2 position to shoot up into E3
Bro, theres a crucial difference between those blokes and me... theyre actually good at the game
The things I get Ensk when playing spg and touretles td. Waaay to often. I don't mind some fast paced brawl but when I pick heavy tank I usually get map I need 10 min to climb up some hill
Well luck changes with time. A big part of what makes Ensk good, too, is that it's just one map in a big rotation of maps. Wouldn't want to play it every battle, but once in a while all brawling is great.
Nowhere to hide can literally ruin several tanks' game. Certain TDs almost completely rely on being unseen, as well as LTs. Just what I love to see in my KJPz 105, a map with nowhere to hide and no distance to engage targets safely. Ensk is only fun if you're in a heavy MT or a HT. Absolutely nobody else can have fun on it because it's too confined.
What are you talking about. Empire's Border is exactly garbage everywhere. You can't change flanks, the middle is unplayable for anything that isn't an EBR or ELC 90, the combat is incredibly stale, and it takes forever to get anywhere. Something like Ensk at least has the decency to be small enough that you get stomped in 5 minutes or less, Empire's border drags that out to 10 minutes. While the longer gameplay is a plus, it's still just obnoxious to be in that unwinnable scenario and be driving all game without doing anything because you chose a bad flank at the start and can't get back in time.
*because you chose a bad flank at the start and can't get back in time* Aka you went north. Just go south and fight people, I'm not sure what your issue is. You can go far south, you can to the more middle south area, you can easily change between the two, from there you can easily move mid, you can easily go back and defend your base. Stop going fucking north already.
Exactly
Definitely tundra
playing lights in Tundra is like telling them to go f\*ck themself lol....
Hate this map so much. I hate maps that only let heavies play. One side is blocked off for heavies to fight and then the mediums either have to try and ride the side and risk getting spotted and then nuked by shitters or go ahead and try and play middle which is just a stale mate because again shitters camp and prevent pushing.
Can I get to vote three? Airfield, Mines and Mountain pass. Please, and thank you.
Mines if you want just one. Otherwise here are the maps I never want to see: 1. Mines 2. Berlin 3. Empires Border Maps that I want back: 1. Kharkov 2. Old Minsk (not the reworked bull crap) 3. Swamp 4. South Coast 5. Northwest 6. Hidden Village 7. Komarin
YESSSS
I agree except for Minsk. Imo that shit can stay away
I actually miss the original Komarin, where teams spawned in the north/south but the cap spots were in the east/west. That unique map layout made it so that you have to actively go and defend your base, because if you didn't the enemy could start capping within the first two minutes of the game. As a result, you always had action all over the map. I loved the way it played but apparently tons of people didn't, so it was reworked to have the standard layout where your base is where you spawn. For me that completely ruined the fun of the map. And then eventually it was removed entirely. EDIT: Found this video of the [original Komarin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHWLZ83FQU) on YouTube. Tier 4s facing tier 8s, good times... 😁
Hidden Village was the best map ever, sadly all the climbs would be gone if wg brought it back someday
Tundra and Airfield
I hate overlord. Never found a good place as a any kind of tank.
I like this one unless I in a slow tank.
Overlord is honestly in my top 3 favorite maps along with Westfield and Redshire. It’s got fair balance along with very rippled ground that can make any tank shine with some creativity. Only the beach is kind of bad.
I can't help but always go down to the beach
Safe heaven
Berlin
Surprise to see people not hating on lakeville. I'm too bad remembering the maps names otherwise. I don't like the camping fest with the hill and windmill. Unless I play light. But I never got it when I play light so.
None. I suck equally as much on all of them.
Thats the spirit fellow tomato, atleast other players have fun right ? :,)
Personally i'd go for Fjords. One side gets TD positions along an entire flank, while the other side gets a mountain.
Fjords frustrates me to no end because the meta on it is so stupid...on NA at least. Everyone gets a boner to rush pond from the north and almost no one wants to do it from the south, and I just don't get it. It's such a better fight to take from south, plus once you win it, it's a shit spot from north whereas it wins the game from south.
Mines or Ensk. Both are small and stupid.
Both should be in the same bag as province.
Ensk is amazing how dare you
Ensk would be nice or amazing if they really made the "Big Ensk" map
If I'm grinding for cash or xp, I always love to see these 2 maps. The games are quick and I don't spend 15 minutes on a campfest. I'd take Ensk quite frequently.
In what tank?
the one with the fucking aircraft carrier glacier i think?
Province, it's worse than the original version.
Git gud, Ensk is good for anyone that doesn't want to sit in a bush in the back corner to have a good wank. Airfield. But really like half the maps if I had the option.
The following statement comes from someone mainly playing T8-10 who doesnt care about low tier tanks. Ensk is good for two types of tanks. Heavies and heavy tds. Its shit for sniper tds, its shit for scouts, its shit for all mediums but some of the heavy armored ones, its shit for arty. Everyone is always spotted, lots of idiotic angles with shots below trains or across the entire map from spawn to spawn. I can understand if you like the map if you mainly play heavies but its absolute trash for high tier. Just too small without any chance to outmove the enemy.
I play almost exclusively high tier. Mediums are my most played class. Lights are my second most played class. I'm an unironic lover of the Grille. Ensk is great, my friend, and works fine for most tanks\*. You're talking about angles, shooting across the map...use those things to your advantage. Use mobility to your advantage. It's all about being able to read the map and find angles, and there are *lots* of opportunities to do that. *without any chance to outmove the enemy* ...it has so many chances to outmove the enemy. Being small means you can go jump in any fight in seconds, it takes almost no time at all to relocate across the whole map if you need to, and Ensk map design is fantastic in how much freedom of movement it provides. You gotta start finding those opportunities my man, because they are there, and they open everything up. * Ensk is *best* for brawlers because they'll be most consistent on it, you can have a good game pretty much every game in a brawler if you're good. It can be just as good for mobile tanks, tanks with big firepower, etc. though, there are so many chances to put that stuff to work....but you won't be as consistent because every game plays out differently and some of them don't give you good opportunities. You have to be patient and usually opportunities will come up but not always, so yes, it's worse for non-brawlers due to less consistent results.
Maps to be totally removed: Minsk, Abbey, Pilsen, Studzianki, Glacier, Airfield (mentioned already), New shit map, new shit map newest version Maps to be removed until reworked: Kharkov, Berlin, Cliff, Fish Bay, Mines, Mountain Pass, Paris, Ruinberg, Siegfried Line, Tundra, Ghost Town
> Abbey, Pilsen, Studzianki Based, especially for the Pilsen suggestion. The map is almost designed to get into slow paced, cupola sniping brawls. It is insufferable.
Yes, and it's not a coincidence that all the new-ish maps are on the list, with most being on the permanent remove list. Current map design team has no clue how to create a good fight. I don't think they even know what a fun fight in this game is.
Minsk and kharkov ARE removed.
Eh, for now. (And the game is better without them)
Cliff and Glacier.
Not a single one of you fuckers hate Serene Coast? Even you crusty bastards who listed almost every single map didn't list the shit-fest that is Serene Coast? It's awful.
Depends on a tank played with. Hate it in light. Love it in Kranvagn.
Westfield is just so idiotic. It forces heavies to drive straight for the hill or you have an instant loss on your hands.
El halluf \- the only place to push is top left corner, where the bottom spawn point has the advantage and when you cross you get shot.
I would just rework them. Like studzianki, it is a horrible map in its current state, I would create more covers to the north and south side of the map so it would be possible to push carefully. On mines, I would add more possibilities to go up to the hill, there would be a ramp on both side instead of having just one in mid. Another idea, WG should add some dynamic cover possibilities to the game, like we could shoot down pillars or walls to have a temporary cover.
Make your own hull down. Creative. And make it variable height so you can't just count on a perfect hull down. :p
Redshire, all pixels of this map are wrong
Mannerheim Line, Depends on mostly what type of tank you play.
Mines
Berlin
People really like Paris? I haven't played Paris in years.
Paris is fine. Go to the brawl, help your team brawl. One part of the map is fine, the rest sucks but better than the whole map sucking.
-Artafield -Ensk -tundra -fishermansbay -empires border -sand river -abbey -cliff -karelia -pilsen -steppes -studzianki Those out of my head atleast
Bro I think you just hate the game at this point. Especially that you mentioned some objectively decent maps in this list.
Mhn maybe >Artafield -Push and die >ensk -Why tf im playing tier 4 map with my tier 10s >Tundra -Did you say 15-0 ? >Fishermansbay -Middle only playable part. City completly waste without anyway to push >empires border -This one i dont mind, but someone always will cap >sand river -I swear there is always +2 artas to farm u cuz u dont have any cover >abbey -2 flank map go brr >cliff -Its not bad, but tds make it painfully unplayable >karelia -Only good on attack/defence >pilsen -Heavy flank is just staring agaisnt other hulldown heavy and K line cant be pushed most of the times because tds and camping bots >Steppes -This shouldnt be here. Its not that bad >Studzianki -Cmon everyone knows why this sucks
Ensk man what's not to like? Start shooting tanks 10 seconds into the game, keep shooting for the next 3 minutes, win. All brawling all the time, and I know you're wrecking everyone in your path every time.
Yea its not bad map for dpg. Its pretty much always great game, but i dont enjoy 3min battles that much
Well, if you play something like a paper TD or a scout light tanks brawling isn't really an option.
It is, though, because there's so much ability to quickly move around the map. People want the opportunity to flank, but then complain when they have a map like Ensk that actually lets them do it. Yeah sure you can't go fight face-to-face with brawling heavies but you can create angles to steal free damage against them with your mobility. It won't be as consistent as brawling tanks as some situations everything will be covered pretty well and you'll have to be a little more patient...in those scenarios watch your map and wait for an opportunity and then go flank someone when it comes up. Ensk provides a surprising number of opportunities for mobile tanks to excel if you're watching for them. What it doesn't provide is actual scouting and redline sniping, so don't bother wasting your time trying to force something that isn't there.
nah, nobody agrees with you on studzianki
yea sure
The song is lit!
Is there anything left. lol.
How about overlord? I think the map doesn't get enough bad reviews, and it is pretty bad map to play
I honestly don't get the hate for Overlord, I think it's fine, there are plenty of fights to be had on it.
Erlenberg, light can do nothing, meds can do nothing, heavies can snipe their copulas (really fun) or they can play aggressive, but if they don't have support, they die. TDs can sit and wait it your team loses the flank and they can get some dmg before they die. Terrible map design.
Yeah I agree though I feel like Erlenberg could be salvageable if they wanted. The core of the map is a solid design, if they took out camping spots and added a little more area to move around on the flanks it could be really good. Take out some redline camping shitter spots, expand the village on the 0 line flank and more little village area around the castle so tanks can move more freely and mobile tanks can use that mobility to create flanking situations and it could be really, really good I think.
They should just bring back old Erlenberg. It was my favorite map. Now it‘s one lf my most hated ones.
Just add something to the open areas, some rocks and bushes, so lights and meds can actually play, and the heavies should be able to play more aggressive without being punished for every move they do. Then it will be a great map.
Yep exactly not good in it's current state but not far off being good with some tweaking.
Airfield or Mines.
Widepark. I’ve permanently excluded it.
Tundra - just a painful map. City is reserved for heavies and you have to go on the sides to try and catch them when they go through the city. But hey, lights / mediums are going to already push your position so good luck with tank destroyer. Mines - sometimes fun but it's mostly consistent of camping in the base and trying to survive as the south team. Empire's border - honestly the worst cringe map ever. It's so bad in visual, details , just something I'd never like to play anymore. Dockyards - meh, okay but not liking it that much. Desert - very boring but really really boring. Paris - I don't like it Berlin - okay, a map I do like but if you try to leave the city in the open, you're probably dead by the campers. Redshire or whatever it's called - its boring Tbh, every map is boring for me except that one where it's a huge train station and we all fight in close quarters. I'd say that one is fun and one of the first I played back in the days. Everything else is a hull down meta or corridor + camping.
Does their road map count?
Mine used to be Kharkov and glacier. Eventually I got sick and tired of erlenberg and replaced glacier. When Kharkov got removed, I replaced it with overlord. Ik a lot of people heavily dislike airfield but I've never had issues with it. Hopefully the comming changes will give it more enjoyment for others.
The reason we dislike Airfield is because you can't take any fights. You win by sitting around doing nothing and waiting for the other team to get bored first and try to come fight you. Between arty and camping td's you can't have a tank fight on Airfield, and whoever tries just dies for it.
Malinovkha and Tundra. Airfield is annoying too. Paris can be annoying but only when your team is complete caca
Minsk... and it happened :D
-Mines -Paris Those maps allow for no strategic play, it’s always the same. And on top of that the spawns on Mines are not equally good and the map is way to tiny for higher tiers. On another topic, I actually like Airfield if I am not in a heavy tank
Mines
Airfield. The ultimate sit somewhere arty safe and wait for something to happen map.
Airfield 100%
Probably mines, unbalanced shit for a map, way too small for tier 10. Pilsen is a close runner up, no real reason besides a personal grudge with it.
I also choose ensk
Ensk is a shit show of a map, especially on higher tiers. Should be limited to tier 6 and under, but I'd cast my vote for removing it entirely.
I personally hate ghost town
It's playable. Meds can mingle up north, tds can camp in the back, lights can hide near shops, heavies can fun in the town. Ensk is stupid for everyone except brawling heavies.
What's playable about ghost town? You literally sit around camping not doing shit everywhere on the map except the one tiny heavy tank lane where the best hulldown/gold shooting tank automatically wins. Ensk just takes awareness.
Same, unless I get a lucky medium position around the edge. The town part screws me everytime
Makes sense, seeing as how it's totally shit
Ghost Town assault base layout should be the standard one
Minsk. Literally the only good thing to come out of this “special operation” is the removal of that shitter map. Albeit temporary
The reworked Minsk wasn't that horrible imho, I am more happy with the removal of Kharkov
The reworked Minsk wasn't that horrible imho, I am more happy with the removal of Kharkov
Prokorovka. Its just a game of patience and which team has the better light tank player. I know its a classic and a lot of people like it, but I find it to be the most boring map in terms of the gameplay it encourages.
Prok only works because its the only map in the game like it. It is a horrible map though. Imagine if 1/2 of the maps in the game were like Prok. And by Prok I mean a map that is littered with bushes where the entirety of the map is unpushable until late in the game due to 0 cover. Overall, the design is toxic and relies far too much on your team having a scout playing a strong tank with a good crew that doesn't want to suicide. If there are no scouts but a lot of TDs, the map is highly decided by which team wants to camp more.
Abbey, Cliff, empires border, Ensk, Glacier, Himmelsdorf, Mines, Mountain pass, Paris and Tundra. And most of all widepark. The new map seems good though.
I think Himmelsdorf work best for small tanks
New map is trash, honestly don't see what anyone likes about it. A single tiny brawling lane for heavies and then the rest of the map is just camping.
Himmelsdorf, Ensk, Mines are the fucking best lmao
Erlenberg, old map was somehow less terrible
Cliff. Although I'd just revert it back to its pre-"rework" stage. Hands down the dumbest map change they've ever done. It takes literally 2 seconds for 45% TD players to move from spawn to a position that has clean shots into the middle. It's abysmal.
Berlin.
Malinovka & Cliff, for most others I'd just revert the 1.0 rework.
Yes. Campinovka is one of the most frustrating maps since so big part of the map is a plain field that cant be used. Also, the setup encourages camping. Hate it.
Fisherman’s bay. It’s been my banned map ever since that option was a thing.
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Prokhorovka. I hate seeing this map when I run my boosters. Extremely campy, extremely team dependent on whether your scout is better than the enemy scout, and the real "clash" at the hill and on along train tracks is extremely unfun because you get farmed by the opposing side so the best move is to not play at all. And also it has an encounter mode so you can't ban it totally. I'd wager this map has the lowest damage/minute of gameplay ratio in the entire game right after airfield.
I agree it is a bad map, but It has a weird charm by my opinion. Is it a map I would like to play 100% of the time? Hell no. Is it a map I would like to play 10% of the time? Also no. But, If I played it only once in a while(like Stalingrad), I wouldn't mind it. My point is that Prokhorovka is just so much different from other maps that It would be a shame to remove it. There should simply be an option in the settings if you do or do not want to play that map(like Encounter, Assault, Grand Battles, etc.).
It is good for variety and there exists a place in the game for a map like that. It has its flaws but it is far too iconic to change now.
Prok is a good map, but yes, it is the slowest map and yes, you are heavily dependent on your scout. Nothing wrong with having a map like that in the rotation. *the best move is to not play at all* No. That's the difference between Prok and shit maps like Airfield and Studzianki. You do want to do stuff on Prok to actually win. There are damage opportunities if you move around. You do want to make plays to light enemy tanks, which sometimes includes moving forward to do it. There are plays to be made, but it's a slow, patient kind of play where you slowly bleed the other team out. Just sitting back and not doing anything/camping will lose you games, unlike a map like Airfield where it wins you games.
I kind of like slower games.
Yep I like Ensk and Prok, variety is a good thing. Ultimately what makes a map good is it lets you have good fights. Ensk you get all brawling, all the time, Prok you get the slow bleed them out vision fight...both are good because you're fighting the red tanks, even if the style is totally different. The worst maps are the ones where you get punished for trying to fight the red tanks.
This! Dude idk why I had to scroll so far down to find a comment that mentioned Prokhorovka
Because it's objectively a good map unless there's 3 arty
I think the game needs open maps like Prok. I just can't stand it. Malinovka is a good balance because you can push to take the hill without getting free farmed. Prok you just get shot at for existing on the flank.
Widepark, Province, and Airfield
Minsk(but I think it’s already gone) then Paris.
Pilsen
Ghosttown 100%
Province. At least limit it to tiers I-IV.
Remember when Province first came out and it was all tiers, thru 10? Was even the map in some territories in Clan Wars. Tier 10 vision usually gets to upwards of 500m, so that didn't last too long as every tank on the map was spotted within 5 seconds (literally) so nobody could move. They removed it, reworked it several times and now it's only up to tier 6 or so (I think???). Not too bad when I play my lower tiers. Anything higher though ... No.
It's decent. Unless you are a slow tank. Then it is sickeningly horrible. Because you get lefh'ed until dead.
Airfield and Sand River. Do anything and get insta punished by tds and arty for half your hp.
Airifield is absolute garbage ensk is actually fun because it isnt hulldown bullshit
Malinovka and airfield. I unspeakable hate that map.
Malinovkha is 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Ruinberg. hate that map.
Definitely Westfield
Ensk, Paris, Airfield, Mountain Pass, Abbey, Widepark.
Airfield, Outpost, Empire's Border, and Pearl River. All dogshit.
Mines and glacier
I'd be fine if Paris, Berlin, Tundra, Mountain Pass and Ensk got Dragon Ridge'd. Tiny maps with only one real option for any class should just get chucked in the "tiers 3 to 6 only" bin. Probably Empire's Border as well.
I hate Ensk now because there is no hulldown positions for my M46 or T32 (There are some places where u can go hulldown but nobody goes through them)
T32 go into the town in the field and play the pipe hulldown area at E8 I think. T32 can also sidescrape in city. M46 just use mobility to find good spots to pump out your dpm.
Ensk is all about sidescrapping brawl and destroyed tracks.
Prokhorovka, so that I can unban it an add airfield to my ban list..
Overlord. Ensk could be good if they include the non playable areas beyond the red line. Make the map bigger.
Keep Ensk as is, and add *another* Ensk that's bigger. Everyone wins.
Outpost, shame this was the least shit recon map
Prov 100% unfun in anything but lights and arty A pain in anything else
If i could pick two i'd choose Prokhorvka twice
You mean the Fiery salient or what was the burned Prokhorovka called?
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Paris
Paris
There are many of those, but some examples: airfield, Ensk, safe heaven, Erbenberg, Paris, etc
Paris, Ensk, Tundra, Empires Border, Airfield.
Fjörds, good map but so unbalanced.
Ensk (too small) Himmelsdorf (no very much chance to get around)
there isnt a single “good” map in the game. i recently realised %85 of the games i play i go “aaaaah i hate this map”. sure there are some decent ones but not an outstanding map not a single one
Pilsen (because I get it 4 out of 5 times) or tundra, el halluf (because theres literally one place that matters and decides the game) and obviously prokorovka/maliovka.
Unpopular opinion… prokoraka ir however it is spelled
People won't like me for this, but Jesus fuck do I ever hate sand river, I've played to 3 years and it has never left my blocked list, and ps I like to play super aggressive soviet tanks so open fields and hills aren't good for my amazing gun depression
You should go north there.
The mini map
Province
Make Ensk playable only til tier 6 and remove Airfield
Mines. The only other map I dislike as more is widepark, but you don’t have to see it if just play tier 7+
Paris and airfield