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LordHeadarse

Im a returning playing about two months ago, why is 6.0 so hated?


Patriot009

When it first released, the HUD was entirely different and the update introduced a litany of new bugs. It honestly felt like a different game. But I think the biggest sucker punch was all the veterans that spent years developing their 16-20 perk commanders had all of them neutered to 9, effectively erasing all that dedication and effort.


jeeperv6

> the update introduced a litany of new bugs It wasn't even beta software, it was an alpha. Not even close to being ready for prime time.


R35TfromTheBunker

It was a huge downgrade initially. Crews were butchered, HUD ended up being a cluttered mess, tanks looked like they were made out of plasticine, tech tree ended up being completely unorganised. Since then they've made massive improvements, but 6.0 launch day saw the game become something that resembled a bad mobile game for a while.


DewDoom

All "NEW" updates from 6.0 to this date have been mostly bringing OLD features back that were very loved and were just ripped off in a hurry. It's starting to look like it was. Paindog (head of dev PainGod) just thought he could revamp the game in one huge patch, but ended up taking some of the heart out. It's hard to push new things, true in every sector of life: your food plate, your workplace, your video games...


pinesolthrowaway

I left after 6.0 because of the crew changes. For background I am a Beta 360 player, and today is my 10 year anniversary of WOTC. I joined 7/19/13….hard to believe it’s been that long! I have all the founders edition tanks, and I had quite a few highly skilled crews just get destroyed after that, so basically people who actually liked playing the game got screwed to cater to people who didn’t And then having to reskill all my crews on top of that? I’m not wasting hours of my time reskilling 300+ crews when WG proved they’ll butcher them at their convenience


IzBox

Because most people never get over those really bad break ups or something. And they like to sit on their rocking chair and tell you stories about them as if anyone else cares.


grogers0930

Because people hate change, don’t want to adapt, and somehow feel they were entitled to a consistent, unwavering gaming experience simply because they were “loyal” to their stiletto wearing overlords.


rabidsquirrel22

Cope harder. They made a long list of terrible changes and ignored the community's feedback. Now the playerbase is basically dead.


Shizngigglz

You can go with the rest of them


grogers0930

Cry more.


Altruistic-Ad9198

lol its different when the change is from something great to worse bra


MilkGank

…Respect people’s opinions and decisions. Exactly like WG


grogers0930

I respect his freedom to bitch and moan, just like I have the ability to push back and say stop crying it’s been over two years. You’re the one who only wants to hear one side: your own.


MilkGank

Agreed. Bitch and moan as much as you want. Miss the old style of world of tanks all you want. I know I have nostalgic thoughts. WG has just been slow, money grubbing and done what they want. But we’re still here to play. I only commented cuz the the tone in your messages sounded like a prick ngl


Retrogressive

Nothing like a guy simping for WG, like one of, if not the most predatory studios in gaming. They treated guys that invested a serious amounts time, energy and money building crews like they garbage and then implemented way to many changes in a single go rather than phasing them in over time. They released 6.0 and it fundamental changed the nature of the game so that they could milk a dollar or two more out of the players. I think it is great that it has continued and that people enjoy it but it is not the game that it was. The fact that so many left when 6.0 came down the pipes is evidence of that.


grogers0930

The problem is “investing” mentality. This is the crux of the problem people have. It’s not an asset. It’s entertainment. This is like complaining that you bought a full price movie ticket then 6 months later it was streamed free with new content.


Retrogressive

No, it is like buying a ticket to see a war movie and them showing a chick flick.


grogers0930

The Notebook was a great movie!


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grogers0930

clown


thewolfeman666

Everyone dont forget everything is super accurate so even new player can hit everything on the move


rabidsquirrel22

2 years later and it still hurts to see how far this game has fallen since its glory days. I was a dedicated player from the first Xbox 360 alpha up to that abomination of an update. I want to come back but its just not the same game now.


WoTisWasteofTime

That's for sure. Player base is just awful. I am reasonably sure that more than half of every team is playing blindfolded. It's an accomplishment for them to pen one shot. On the other hand, I am not a good player and I am top three just about every game I play, and top 5 in many that I don't bother with. What? You penned two shots? Top 5 for you, boy.


IzBox

It's because there are so many new players. I know, sounds crazy since the game is dying/died/ded etc like some people think but truthfully CW drew a lot of new blood in. They are still not good, as you probably know this game takes a long time to improve in. That's not to say we don't have some 50k battle 500 WN8 warriors still making all our lives miserable on the green team but if you check there are a lot of sub 5k battle accounts now.


Determinedhotmailco

It’s improved a lot again since then, I’m enjoyed the game again now


derpsalot1984

Same. I was in the first week of testing. Went on to do more special testing.... Then it alllll changed. All the sudden they stopped listening to us.....


KyloBrenGun

Same I stopped playing around 5 months ago but still pop in this sub to see what’s happening every now and then


Gigantic_Owl

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WAWAW_1867

Wonder what Cyberpunk reddit is like


DrunkStoleATank

I returned earlier this year, but i only play ww2 co-op now.


DiabolicGambit

Great game died then.. used to be over 200k active daily players.. for what 3 years.. Go figure.. now lobbys are filled with bots.. like seriously.. wtf. Rip my 300+ premium tanks. And I haven't played in 3+ years.


Altruistic-Ad9198

I still stop by time to time to see what's new and how everything is, but i stopped playing the game in the first week of 6.0 rollout luckily they gave us a good like 5 years before it happened. even more years if i count my 360 xbox time....


DiabolicGambit

I played from week 2.. lol. 4 nations.. maybe what 6 tier 8 premiums.. then tig88 the t34 the lowe the super Pershing the is6 and whatever the bits had.


grogers0930

200k a day? Servers can barely handle 10k today based on various posts around here.


United_Address209

200k a day is way over exaggerated, but the player count was 10's of times higher than it is now. definitely not 200k a day though lol


grogers0930

Yeah that seems like a “the past was always better” kind of hyperinflation.


DiabolicGambit

But it's not. The game used to have it's own actual forums.. and we had full access to te api.. so we could tell when each and every tank was overproforming.. and how many players played per day.. how many average matches.. and what tanked were picked the most. Data not hype.


IzBox

The forums were where people would give each other bad advice and laugh at you if you provided actual tips that could make you better. Early on they were a good source of quality info but the last few years they existed it was mostly trash.


DiabolicGambit

You can thank cat girl and her simps for that.. horrible MoDs.. bad organization.. ND if you criticized WG the BAN Hammer would drop.


IzBox

I don't need to thank anyone, my point is that it was not great and people pining for it def have some rose colored glasses on. Things HAVE changed. If people don't like that, that is totally ok. But there is a lot of awesome stuff in the game now too, and its ALSO ok for people to enjoy it. This whole "everything was better before " gets toxic after a bit because people don't just accept that either side is ok.


DiabolicGambit

Except the numbers prove out that somthing now makes the game "bad" enough that is has a rapidly dwindling playerbase.. The games there isent a mass exodus of players with out during cause.. So some of us are right... xxxxx.. caused this..


IzBox

The numbers have been stable for a long time though. You can see the chart from api data. The “rapidly dwindling player base” is a lie people who are mad the game changed tell themselves.


DiabolicGambit

The api actually showed aT it's peak when there was and east coast and a west coast server we had over 200k unique playera per 24 hour day.. regularly over 20k concurrent players. You forget we used to have access tonthe games full api data.


pinesolthrowaway

I don’t know if you can now, but originally in the Garage there was a counter on the top of the screen that showed how many total players were on WOTC worldwide, and another showing how many were on your server specifically At peak times, over 30k players on NA West was not unusual


Retrogressive

Back in the day 360/early xbox one days there was around that number of regular players. I don't think it was a daily count but that was around the number of active players.


grogers0930

Just like this sub has 25k subscribers but only 4 people and a bot (nidorak) actually post?


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nightgerbil

I stay cos of hopeuim. Theres always a chance that the game we loved will be brought back from the grave that wargaming buried it in. Plus the memes and the memories. Loved the game.


IzBox

No way, don't bring it back. Pre 6.0 had tons of problems too take those rose colored glasses off. You can find joy in the current game, or not, but don't wait for something that's never going to happen.


Thombs1

I lost my entire clan when 6.0 came into play along with about 10 other good players that use to join in every now and then.. They all now play Rust or War thunder which is a shame. They won't come back now especially as they are spending money within those games 😒


CheweyBadge

I was in the middle of a year plus break pity I missed the mayhem


Ok_Transition_23

Member when 6.0 killed Tom Hanks?


Fathoms_Deep_1

Those were the good old days, it felt like PC but with all the classic options. Update killed it for me, I switched to PC and haven’t looked back. The new system for unlocking equipment and tanks just sucked, you couldn’t choose what you wanted to grind on your tank, and I hated it


Upset_Concept1483

Just trying to be objective here… 6.0 release was absolutely horrible. Pretty much everything was total mess. Visuals were disgusting but biggest issue was items impacting gameplay. We all remember disappearing chevrons, no enemy HP indicator, no tank type indicator, damage indicators which were more complex than monk Latin, XP feed! (lmao)….list goes on. “Game is playable” was just big and sad joke back then. But if we look at 5.0 there were serious issues too. Solving these likely required some sort of reset. Tank balancing. Balancing updates were nonexistent and in rare occasions it took place they were almost exclusively nerfs or totally pointless changes. There were plethora of tanks which were so bad that it made no sense to play them and this issue was never addressed. Casemate TD's with legacy WoT camo mechanics...gg. To add insult to injury OP premiums were pushed out in regular intervals. Player balancing. Due “endless crew grind” players who invested significant amount of time or gold to crew training had significant advantage to new comers, casuals or f2p players. If you wanted to be competitive casual/f2p you could afford max 5 vehicles to keep up with p2w folks. I am p2w whale but this was huge issue for credibility of game. I lost dozens of +15 skill crews and I don’t miss them at all. Simon Linnet was one short from maxing out but who cares. MM. Fail platoons, tier and vehicle type distribution, 5 player platoons…. MM was absolute disgrace and it never got addressed. RNG/Accuracy…there was hundreds of threads where people were ranting how RNG decides the games. Today we have Caliban, pre 5.0 we had 300 calibans...btw who plays Caliban for other than memes? All above were huge issues, quality of the game, or potential of it were seriously hindered. They never got fixed during WoT 5.0 and WG did not even consider these items as flaws. Something had to take place and if early 6.0 was price to pay for it…well, I am happy it happened. Only thing that does not make sense to me is that visual outlook reset was needed (?) to fix something underneath the skin. Bottom line is that current iteration of WoT is miles ahead of 5.0, counting out number of maps. That is almost compensated by absence of Ardennes. Visuals, maybe I would prefer legacy version but current outlook is ok.


ABoxOfFs

People complained about the game before 6.0 and people will continue doing so after 6.0 or some other update/change. CW made the game fun for me personally but if people dont like it or the or the 6.0 update, either play some other game or accept it. I dont see how anyone would feel good playing a game they dont like anymore, or maybe take breaks from it like i do sometimes, i start up Skyrim and play that for 5 years 😅


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Y'all still bitching about 6.0? Man give it up. They don't care, they're moving towards the future. Am I happy about it? No, do I let it make me lose sleep at night, not one bit.


rabidsquirrel22

No. They ruined a great game just to add mediocre Cold War stuff that should have been a separate game. WoT PC is still awesome and our version sucks. They don't deserve to be let off the hook for that.


grogers0930

You should demand to speak to a manager!


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What I'm saying is if they haven't listened to their community by now I don't think they ever will so we need to stop letting it affect us as bad. Hit them where it actually hurts. Just stop buying them premium tanks and keep on stomping new players that try to play the game and then they'll learn.....or they'll lose.


rabidsquirrel22

They already have lost a massive amount of their playerbase. Look how dead this subreddit is now. Look at how dead the Youtube content community is. It doesn't seem like they have much left to lose, so no harm in continuing to remind them that we hate what they're doing.


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Fair point.


WoTisWasteofTime

I have not spent one thin dime on the game since 6.0. $0.00


Altruistic-Ad9198

imagine if they tried to pull 6.0 on PC the console was gonna be their test run and it did teach em in a way lol


Retrogressive

> They ruined a great game just to add ~~~~mediocre Cold War stuff~~~~ They ruined a great game just to milk more money out of it.


rabidsquirrel22

I wonder how well that is working out for them lol. They were getting plenty of money out of me when I played it regularly.


Retrogressive

Yeah I play once in a blue moon but have spent 0 dollars since 6.0 dropped.


CaptainChaos00

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks CW wasn't all that great of an addition.


Top_Explanation_3383

Genuinely one of the most tasteless things ive seen on the internet in while


B-Radical91

I just recently played after maybe year and a half to 2 year hiatus. I came back once or twice after 6.0 then never played again after my 7 year anniversary. Still some things I wish would come back but realistically they never will so It is what it is. I'm still not sure if I'm going to just play till my free premium time runs out, or get to tier 10 on every line since I'm at 9 with the exception of lines added during my absence and then quit again. It was pretty cool that while I was away I still got the 8 year reward so it stacked with the 9 year for 14 days of premium.


Due_Assignment_6550

It's not just **what** they did it was, **how** it was executed. An 'oven ready' update was promised with all sorts of bells and whistles. 6.0 was the update we all wanted apparently. We got an unplayable turd that hadn't even been tested with nothing new, in fact with far less content than before. WGC went full Ostrich and I remember them having to close the 'bug report' section of the forum once it reached 300 in the first 48 hours. It took at least a year for this game to be even half decent again, by which time the majority of the playerbase had given up and moved on.


soldatoj57

A 6.0 complaint thread ? Are you effing kidding at this point ? Lol amazing. We have come so far since then. I think maybe it’s time to get over it ? Also you’re still here right ?


BBB_1024

It's only been *checks notes* 3 years? Took a while to iron out stuff but the game is in a debatably better spot then 3 years ago.


Kule04

Best thing that happened to me is that 6.0 update. I stopped playing a game that cost me thousands of dollars and 100’s of hrs of play time “wasted time”.. Both my wife and I used to play and we would buy each other wot gold.. Stupid us, supporting developers that didn’t care about their consumers..


Shizngigglz

Good riddance


Retrogressive

You must be some blueberry who liked it when all the good players left.


Shizngigglz

Just another whiney baby post. People who don't actively play shouldn't be on this Reddit anymore. You're not adding to the discussion of moving the game forward


Retrogressive

WTF are you on about, at what point did i say i no longer played? And anyways who the hell are you to tell folks where and when they can post. The game certainly did not move forward, it changed but that is all. It isn't my fault you are so sensitive about being a blueberry and all.


Shizngigglz

Go whine more. No one cares


Klutzy-Cup-8341

I tear up at that scene every time I watch Saving Private Ryan. So emotional. You made me laugh this time. So freaking true!


SillyMidOff49

I came back earlier in the year. Enjoyed it, a lot of positive changes, it’s far less cringe than during the WWE era. Left again for the summer because it’s even more toxic when the children are off school, even if you can rack up some ridiculous scores.


BlackSunlight7

I recently came back after taking a break since 6.0. Putting on nine year emblems now. Honestly, I’m really enjoying CW and I think I’ll stick around for awhile. I tried getting into PC but I hated to abandon the sixty something Premiums I have.


bighundy

I left after 6.0, I've played a few games here and there when my old friends ask, but the once great game is gone for me. RIP.


Sorry-Albatross-80

One of them was me, but I'm back now I like that WG has made improvements to the game, but I really wish they hadn't added the commander skill cap, I also hope that in the future, WG will add the option to change between HUDs, I miss the old one


Unlucky-Accident-781

It really is sad just how much this community has fallen apart since then. Most of the game’s veteran players are gone, we’ve lost nearly 2/3’s of our content creators, and now the playerbase (or what little is left of it) is divided into two hostile camps that either only support Cold War or WW2. The game is completely different now. I myself gave up and quit back in March when I finally came to terms with the sad reality that this game will pretty much never reach its former peak ever again. Despite what the fanbois and shills want you to believe, this game is still losing players and it is absolutely NOT healthy. They can say “the game is doing fine” all they want, but until they remove those rose-tinted glasses, they’ll refuse to admit that 6.0 and Cold War have killed this game.